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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: deadstikmac on August 05, 2013, 04:12:10 PM
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If a new player is asking questions, be helpfully helpful. :old:
Wait till they are at least paying a sub before you troll them...... :neener:
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Well said. My very first post I took a hard hit by a ranking member. Really darkened my AH sky a bit.
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Now, of course, I want take any crap from him. :)
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If a new player is asking questions, be helpfully helpful. :old:
Wait till they are at least paying a sub before you troll them...... :neener:
So I'm not the only one to observe this lately? Whew... everyone knows they're born crazy, but you'll be the last to know if you've gone off the deep end.
I think we've had a couple more dicks running around than usual lately, trolling would at least be somewhat entertaining or funny.
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So I'm not the only one to observe this lately?
No, you are not.
I don't know what's actually worse, morons giving dumb answers to new player's questions because they are 'trolling' or because they are really dumb.
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No, you are not.
I don't know what's actually worse, morons giving dumb answers to new player's questions because they are 'trolling' or because they are really dumb.
I've seen this more often as well. THIS is the kind of thing Mod's should be looking for and enforce with a heavy hand. Answers of "Alt F4" "Enter 3x" and all intentional trolling of new players should be met with a severe (30 day) text ban.
I would think it would be in HTC's best interest to enforce this and not allow new players to be driven from the game by people who are mostly in game just to troll 200.
On the other hand, there are people here who are willing to help. I killed a guy in a tank the other night and could tell he may not know what he was doing. I checked his scores, and he appeared to be new, so I PM'd him and found out he was a two-weeker. I answered some questions for him, most pressing of which was "How did you find me?" (he left his engine running), spent a little time chatting with him and suggested he get with a trainer when he gets a chance. Don't know if it will help him stay in game, but I'd rather take just a little time to keep someone around than just have gone on seal-clubbing him. I know there are others who do help newbies as well. Much better if they get to them before the trolls do.
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Ryno
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Fell for the alt f4 thing when i was new :rofl Honestly thought it was funny had a good laugh about it with the guy that told me that. Then he answered my question
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I've seen this more often as well. THIS is the kind of thing Mod's should be looking for and enforce with a heavy hand. Answers of "Alt F4" "Enter 3x" and all intentional trolling of new players should be met with a severe (30 day) text ban.
I would think it would be in HTC's best interest to enforce this and not allow new players to be driven from the game by people who are mostly in game just to troll 200.
On the other hand, there are people here who are willing to help. I killed a guy in a tank the other night and could tell he may not know what he was doing. I checked his scores, and he appeared to be new, so I PM'd him and found out he was a two-weeker. I answered some questions for him, most pressing of which was "How did you find me?" (he left his engine running), spent a little time chatting with him and suggested he get with a trainer when he gets a chance. Don't know if it will help him stay in game, but I'd rather take just a little time to keep someone around than just have gone on seal-clubbing him. I know there are others who do help newbies as well. Much better if they get to them before the trolls do.
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Ryno
The example of Alt+F4 might be a fine line some walk. The only negative is all the acused will write Skuzzy and he'll then have to sort it out - was it in jest or harm?...
How do you guage the degrees between an Alt-F4 joke, lureing the noob over your field in a Val, or advising them to uninstall this game and try a different game?
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I have found it sometimes works just as well to go to the TA and go over basics for an hour.
That way you can shoot at one another to demonstrate things without actually taking damage.
I think it's high time I find a trainer :rofl
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By the way...
"GO TA!" is just another dumb answer if you aren't willing to go with him. Most of the day there simply is just nobody in there, so telling someone to 'go TA' on a simple question is basically the same as "get lost!". :rolleyes:
At least explain to him where to find the AHTC homepage and how to get in contact with a trainer.
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I try and do to noobs what some players did to me long ago.
I tend to forget the help and traing page tho. :aok
As that has a ton of helpful material that has gotten me where I am today
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I've seen a lot of guys step up and help new guys. I've done it myself several times when its easy questions to help with. I've also seen the retarded answers and the poor guy is left with who should he trust. So honestly if some one is asking a legit question I wish people would just try to help the guy and if you don't want to then stay silent. :salute
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Otherday a guy asked what's a furball?
Alot of folks responded with go ask your mom
alt-f4 for help(which doesn't even work anymore) and stupid crap like that.
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Good answers and suggestions here. I've noticed it more lately too, but maybe I just didn't notice it before.
I remember when I was brand new on this 2nd go around (although I have almost no memory of my first AH stint,) one guy to remain nameless telling me to stfu and learn some skills and even more of the like. Where was I supposed to learn those skills? I've got fairly thick skin, but I had older bros beat the crap out of me so...
I don't remember for sure, but I don't think 200 is tuned to by default, if that's correct it should remain so forever and ppl prolly shouldn't even mention 200 noobs. Is help ch. tuned to by default?
Noobs should be welcomed, we were all one of them at one point.
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"You can be anything you want on the internet, it's amazing so many people choose to be stupid." :old:
That being said, when ever anyone asks me a question I give them an honest answer. If I don't know, I tell them I don't know and point them to someone who would know. The exception to this being the people that I know very well, in which case I love to troll them as much as possible. :devil
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Too bad most of them don't read the forums so this is just wasted internet space. ;) A nice arena message might go a long way. "We are seeing increased numbers of new players, so try your best to help them and welcome them into the game." or something like that.
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Worse thing I do is trick them into typing ".country 1" :noid
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As a community, we should all realize that new players are the lifeblood of the game we enjoy. Treat these new players with respect and this game will be here for a longer period of time.
I sincerely hope moderators are muting and ejecting players immediately upon seeing any of the crap that can potentially drive players away.
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Worse thing I do is trick them into going too Crabby Land and show them how weak their bfm is with 50 vs 2 :noid
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I think that it would benefit HTC to make sort of a tutorial showing the player what to do. From GV perspective to plane perspective to even the guns and such. They can click on each thing "Would you like more information on a Ground Vehicles" etc etc.
Right now many newbies don't even know how to talk, and a troll or joke really isn't what they would be looking for, it definitely wasn't when I joined. While it might be harmless fun, most who do it don't understand that they reflect back on the community as a whole. I think HTC wants their in-game community to be looked on as a community of helpers, not trolls and annoying players.
For the tutorial it could start when they first make the account and the servers are listed, it would give a brief yet informative description of each server from early war to Scenarios.
I think when 2 weekers join, perhaps make a custom squad for 2 weekers only that they would be automatically put into when they go into a main arena. So they are easy to identify, if they wish to join another squad they can simply leave that one and join another. Not hard.
Just some thoughts and opinions.
Tinkles
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he took me to crabland once. 50 lancs vs our 190's.
I've never seen so many bullet holes in my plane before :rofl
also the Ai are the best at E management :furious
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I for one really enjoyed the research and practice involved in learning this game (Sim). I like to learn the hard way and watch other pilots and listen to coms and figure stuff out. I would think most players would enjoy that aspect of it. Having said that if someone was truly helpful when asked a question then the process could move forward for the noob. I'm a noob, still learning and really want to figure it out my self. I have had some great suggestions from my squad m8s. The best way to go I think. Peace. :aok
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Too bad most of them don't read the forums so this is just wasted internet space. ;) A nice arena message might go a long way. "We are seeing increased numbers of new players, so try your best to help them and welcome them into the game." or something like that.
That's a great Idea :aok
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Always a good idea to help the new guy. The one thing I have noticed is new guys that give a direct targeted question like 'How do I select bombs?' seem to get the best responses. People who ask in generalities or are looking for an easier way 'How do I remove cockpit?' are the ones that mostly tend to get the dolt answers.
Everybody was a newbie once, unfortunately every newbie in pretty much every online game I've ever seen gets dumped on when they ask for information. I know myself I occasionally ask some really basic, basic questions when I get into areas of the game I don't normally work in like what specific system messages mean when you blow stuff up on the ground or whatever. I have the knowledge of the game to weed through the sarcastic answers, but the new guys don't know any better.
I do think there are questions that the best answer to it is 'Go to the TA.' I agree though that an explanation of how to get in contact with and set up time with a trainer in the TA would be extraordinarily helpful for those people. Some people are not good teachers. I know for a fact I am one of them.
I for one really enjoyed the research and practice involved in learning this game (Sim). I like to learn the hard way and watch other pilots and listen to coms and figure stuff out. I would think most players would enjoy that aspect of it. Having said that if someone was truly helpful when asked a question then the process could move forward for the noob. I'm a noob, still learning and really want to figure it out my self. I have had some great suggestions from my squad m8s. The best way to go I think. Peace. :aok
For myself, when I was new and not quite new, an hour or two here and there with trainers did more for me than weeks of mucking around on my own in the arenas. At the time, I didn't know what I didn't know and they got me thinking of things I hadn't considered. YMMV of course.
Wiley.
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It can't be all *that* bad....right? My first year or so was without any incident with jackdonkeys. Everything I learned was from experimenting and experience, never visited the TA until I got curious long after I passed the newbie stage, and I rarely asked questions. Just flying and learning is part of the experience in AH, and I can't imagine people who are that short tempered that they can't handle the first hundred or so deaths without taking it as a learning experience. If anything, asking people just makes you a worse pilot, assuming you ask the wrong people (which there are plenty of).
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On the positive side. I have gotten loads of great advice, here, the TA and in the MA. Lots of good people here and in the TA and the MA.
DA, not so much. I would recommend newbies avoid the DA and Ch 200.
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On the positive side. I have gotten loads of great advice, here, the TA and in the MA. Lots of good people here and in the TA and the MA.
DA, not so much. I would recommend newbies avoid the DA and Ch 200.
DA lake is nothing but newbies and squeakers for the most part.
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Good post. We were all there at one time or another. If we want young targets to grow into mature opponents, make it easy for them to learn the ropes.
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The TA is a wonderful idea. If only they could speak my language... Back when I started we used to do the training on the H2H arenas with a Finns only -sign. Anyone who couldn't speak our language was mercilessly kicked out :D That was our training arena, the lessons of which we then tested on the FFA H2H arenas before making ourselves ridiculous on the paid Main Arena. But seriously, if someone asks how to start the plane engine, LWMA is not the place to fill the radio buffer with Flight Basics 101 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/Help-Section/Getting-Started/Aces-High-Flight-Basics-101.html).
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LWMA is not the place to fill the radio buffer with Flight Basics 101 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/Help-Section/Getting-Started/Aces-High-Flight-Basics-101.html).
True. A quick PM, possibly with explanation how to .r included as well as pointing them at that if they need further help goes a lot further and takes about the same amount of time as browbeating them.
Wiley.
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I have always tried to help new players both here and previously in AW. In fact my desire to help other players led me to applying for and becoming a Game Assistant in AW; I really enjoyed the role as apart from being a 'visible presence' in the arenas, meaning players were less likely to 'misbehave', I was there to 'assist' players - new or old - by answering any questions they had and enabling them to make the most of the game. Sadly, shortly after EA took over, our roles were taken over by paid employees of EA in an Indian call centre! :( I realise anyone can help others and we did in fact fight back by creating our own independent group of helpers which lasted the remaining time before the plug was finally pulled on AW. That is one aspect of the game I really miss, but I still do help when I can. :old:
Flos aka AWARHelen in AW :)