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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: moot on August 06, 2013, 08:30:19 PM
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From Rob Ager... Considering how most people simply kneejerk to discrediting Lucas as just a money making sellout who just happened to make Star Wars and as having being nothing but a distraction from everything good to the point of being sacred about Star Wars.. E.G. the CGI edits and the increasingly excessive, "distasteful" shallowness and/of implied political commentary in the second trilogy...
Maybe it's just Lucas giving people an overdose of the crap they insisted on. Maybe the reason he hates star wars is because he knows that well how much of a sell out it is compared to what he really wanted to make, EG THX 1138
http://youtu.be/jrVcLnNHFQs
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The fact that he kept making "Star Wars" prequels/sequels and the way he licensed very aspect of them just proves that he sold out. I loved the original "Star Wars" before he added all the "extras" and re-released it. Honestly I could hardly tell the difference, but I felt that it was not necessary to re-release it with the added CGI. That being said, I was not overly impressed with "THX 1138". I thought "American Graffiti" was a much better movie.
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I liked THX 1138, and also how Lucas references to it in all his other films.
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He sold out :rofl
He made serious coin out of Starwars so he did not have to work 9-5
"Redtails" was in walmart/asda for £5, I could not bring myself to buy it :)
Will Smith apparently told Lucas to tell all the actors to crack jokes at inappropriare parts of the film.
At least he did not make that lord of the rings garbage
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The original films had a very different feeling that I believe is due to Film and the special effects were real items, though in miniature. Building accurate models and the filming setup are very expensive also time consuming when you can just sit in front of a PC and punch keys.
CGI and Video feel fake. I have seen the Hobbit in 3d and while kind of cool I watched my next Movie in 2d mode and was more enjoyable for me.
Lucas gave me many enjoyable moments and while we can criticize him it's like a Band that has a hit album and forget where they started from and produce rubbish after that. :rolleyes:
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He sold out.
Plus, I can't get over the CGI added scene with Han solo talking to the then-small Jabba worm guy. There are 3 perspective and depth shifts in that scene that are impossible. In one really bad part, he goes from being behind Jabba's left shoulder to being in front of it, with neither character actually moving. I saw a documentary on how they made that scene and while I'm sure they tried really hard, they just couldn't pull it off and it wrecks the suspension of disbelief. It's really jarring because that one scene is so out of place due to the CGI perspective and depth sorting errors, it takes the viewer (me) out of the movie for a good portion of the scene.
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The original Star Wars had a cultural impact like no other movie, music song, or artistic expression Ive ever seen in my life. Really, you had to be there to really know. Its not something you can just describe. Much of it was timing. I think the world was ready for a movie like that. It was also the first really "realistic" space movie.
But the only really good movie of the six was the one Lucas didnt write. My God but he can write some awful dialogue. Plus he's an egotistical putz.
But he came up with a hell of an idea. You have to give him that.
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Lucas has ALWAYS been brilliant when it comes to coming up with ideas and creating worlds. Whether Star Wars, Indiana Jones or Willow, he comes up with AMAZING concepts. He just fails at the execution.
It was also the first really "realistic" space movie.
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) was much more realistic than anything in Star Wars.
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Of corse he sold out, the same as you would do if you singlehandedly changed the film industry. Lucas was never a great writer/director, his genius was always in the special effects. His decline comes from CGI and how cheap it is for the average director to use. The origional starwars is good because its unique, the prequel never had that advantag. His micro management was a sign that he wanted something special, something different from every other movie out this generation, he just never got to that point.
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The original Star Wars had a cultural impact like no other movie, music song, or artistic expression Ive ever seen in my life. Really, you had to be there to really know. Its not something you can just describe. Much of it was timing. I think the world was ready for a movie like that. It was also the first really "realistic" space movie.
But the only really good movie of the six was the one Lucas didnt write. My God but he can write some awful dialogue. Plus he's an egotistical putz.
But he came up with a hell of an idea. You have to give him that.
You watched the linked youtube segment? It doesn't sound like it.
He sold out.
Plus, I can't get over the CGI added scene with Han solo talking to the then-small Jabba worm guy. There are 3 perspective and depth shifts in that scene that are impossible. In one really bad part, he goes from being behind Jabba's left shoulder to being in front of it, with neither character actually moving. I saw a documentary on how they made that scene and while I'm sure they tried really hard, they just couldn't pull it off and it wrecks the suspension of disbelief. It's really jarring because that one scene is so out of place due to the CGI perspective and depth sorting errors, it takes the viewer (me) out of the movie for a good portion of the scene.
That is just varnish flaking over the actual substance...
Of corse he sold out, the same as you would do if you singlehandedly changed the film industry. Lucas was never a great writer/director, his genius was always in the special effects. His decline comes from CGI and how cheap it is for the average director to use. The origional starwars is good because its unique, the prequel never had that advantag. His micro management was a sign that he wanted something special, something different from every other movie out this generation, he just never got to that point.
You say this with THX 1138 in mind?
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THX is a perfect example. decent storyline, but without the FX it doesn't hold up.
The moment Lucas couldn't bring something different to the table... he created jar jar binks
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Almost every person who starts out trying to make a political or spiritual statement through art comes to realise that their own life is too short to sacrifice for their cause.The few who do go all the way almost always die young and deeply unhappy in order to make their mark on history. All Lucas did was realise that sipping cocktails on a Caribbean beach with endless financial stability was preferable to burning out trying to impact on a population that was growing increasingly materialistic and closed minded with each new generation that had shiny things waved in front of them as incentive to not change the world.
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Han shot first!
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Han shot first!
QFT
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As i understand it, he always had the ideas for the episodes before and after, just couldn't pull it off with the tech available at the time.
Whats a sell out without people to buy?
I would say with everything hes done for films, sound, music & video games, he deserves just a bit more then being called a sell out. Simply put.
Jar-jar pisses me off sure, but considering most of the "parents" who went to go see the new-er star wars had young children "do the math" it makes sense to add some form of "child hood entertainment" to help the young kids "get into it" And besides...he was kicked out for being CLUMSY, and in the end is a well respected character. "He too grew up"
-sighs-
If you think george messed anything up, just wait till you see what "your generation" if kids will do to the intellectual property. I cant wait to see the "star wars reboot" in 2025. (strong sarcasm) :bhead
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As i understand it, he always had the ideas for the episodes before and after, just couldn't pull it off with the tech available at the time.
Whats a sell out without people to buy?
I would say with everything hes done for films, sound, music & video games, he deserves just a bit more then being called a sell out. Simply put.
Jar-jar pisses me off sure, but considering most of the "parents" who went to go see the new-er star wars had young children "do the math" it makes sense to add some form of "child hood entertainment" to help the young kids "get into it" And besides...he was kicked out for being CLUMSY, and in the end is a well respected character. "He too grew up"
-sighs-
If you think george messed anything up, just wait till you see what "your generation" if kids will do to the intellectual property. I cant wait to see the "star wars reboot" in 2025. (strong sarcasm) :bhead
The real problem is with the way hollyweird is going. There will be a remake of Star Wars in 2025, and some of the original cast will have cameos in it.
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Trivia:
When did Han Solo use a Lightsaber? :D
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Trivia:
When did Han Solo use a Lightsaber? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXmp1hLK0tY