Aces High Bulletin Board

General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 10:52:53 AM

Title: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 10:52:53 AM
Homeland Security News Wire
The Florida Keys Mosquito Control District is considering using a drone to spot shallow-water pools where mosquitoes breed along the Keys. The 2.2-pound, 2.5-foot-long drone would use infrared cameras to locate the shallow pools and allow the district rapidly to treat those areas with larvicide.

More of the story here http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20130820-drones-help-kill-bugs-dead (http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20130820-drones-help-kill-bugs-dead)

(http://www.condoraerial.com/maveric2.jpg)

Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: Curval on August 22, 2013, 11:06:59 AM
They need to do someting.  Mossies are thick on some of the Keys.

Thing is, all it takes is an upturned leaf with some water in it to breed mosquitos.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: VonMessa on August 22, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
<plug>

mosquitoes need love, too

<plug>
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 11:19:48 AM
I Know, I know, I am plugging my company here but I am just excited. Wanted to share it with my AH buddies. If I can't at least share this with my buddies I think I will explode  :rock
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: Dragon on August 22, 2013, 11:26:36 AM

Congrats Condor!


Maybe you should design a crop dusting accessory so it can do more than locate.  Seek and Destroy.   



 
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 11:42:09 AM
Congrats Condor!


Maybe you should design a crop dusting accessory so it can do more than locate.  Seek and Destroy.   



 

We are on that very mission but instead of hauling fluids at 8 pounds per gallon (which we could never do) the aircraft will distribute pellets targeted directly to problem areas. This is the flight of the intruder mission.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: surfinn on August 22, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
Better hope you don't drop those pellets in someones Coy pond. ( not sure if I spelled that right  very large and expensive gold fish) :rofl Might be some problems with privacy issues as well. First naked pictures of someones daughter in her back yard sunbathing hits the net and look out.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: VonMessa on August 22, 2013, 11:54:00 AM
We are on that very mission but instead of hauling fluids at 8 pounds per gallon (which we could never do) the aircraft will distribute pellets targeted directly to problem areas. This is the flight of the intruder mission.

Mmmm

Like fish food.


Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 11:58:51 AM
There not using them in populated areas. They are used around the islands off the coast (less than a mile) after very high tide or storm events. More so on stagnate pools of water that accumulate. Fish and game want to use them to monitor migratory birds on the islands that are off limits to the civilian population.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: Curval on August 22, 2013, 12:01:24 PM
They used to spray the Cayman islands every few nights, from a regular old Cessna.  People at cocktail parties would see the plane go overhead and then put their hands over their drinks in a futile attempt to stop from ingesting it when they took a drink..
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 12:07:16 PM
Man, back in the 70s, we used to follow the mosquito spray truck on our bikes while they were fogging our neighborhood. Riding through the fog waving to our parents while they were sitting on the porch laughing. 

Problem is, the mosquitos that survived the years of pesticide onslaught, now have immunity and pass the immunity to the larva. The stuff you would have to spray now to kill them would most likely diminish the human population. lol
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: rpm on August 22, 2013, 12:11:15 PM
1 step closer to Skynet becoming self-aware.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/skynet.png)
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: surfinn on August 22, 2013, 12:14:36 PM
There not using them in populated areas. They are used around the islands off the coast (less than a mile) after very high tide or storm events. More so on stagnate pools of water that accumulate. Fish and game want to use them to monitor migratory birds on the islands that are off limits to the civilian population.

My parents live one block off the coast in Gulfport MS. Mosquito's were a huge problem after hurricane Katrina and still are to this day. Mostly due to all the abandoned houses and so many objects still there that hold water. I helped my parents and other neighbors go through the neighborhood and turn over any object that were holding water for a 4 block radius. Sadly nothing a bunch of individuals could do about pools though. Lots of the homes that had been razed to the ground had pools that were nothing but breading areas for mosquito's. They would have loved the city doing anything to help with the problem. Good luck with your bid sir I hope it goes through for you. Out of curiosity will you be selling the drones or hiring them out as a long term service contract?
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 12:19:08 PM
My parents live one block off the coast in Gulfport MS. Mosquito's were a huge problem after hurricane Katrina and still are to this day. Mostly due to all the abandoned houses and so many objects still there that hold water. I helped my parents and other neighbors go through the neighborhood and turn over any object that were holding water for a 4 block radius. Sadly nothing a bunch of individuals could do about pools though. Lots of the homes that had been razed to the ground had pools that were nothing but breading areas for mosquito's. They would have loved the city doing anything to help with the problem. Good luck with your bid sir I hope it goes through for you. Out of curiosity will you be selling the drones or hiring them out as a long term service contract?

Thank you, Currently the FAA doesn't allow you to fly for hire. We can sell them the systems (which are on the FAA approved list) and provide them the required FAA flight training. From that point they will apply for a Certificate or Authorization (COA) for FAA flight approval over the regions they need to eradicate the larva. 
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: Curval on August 22, 2013, 12:48:56 PM
When it comes to mosquitoes I am like a mob boss.

I want them DEAD I want their sposes DEAD I want their brothers and sisters DEAD I want their children DEAD and I want their friends DEAD
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: surfinn on August 22, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
Thank you, Currently the FAA doesn't allow you to fly for hire. We can sell them the systems (which are on the FAA approved list) and provide them the required FAA flight training. From that point they will apply for a Certificate or Authorization (COA) for FAA flight approval over the regions they need to eradicate the larva.  

What size does the drone have to be before the FAA gets involved? As far as I know they don't bother model ac flyer's? Hell you don't even have to have a pilots licence to fly a ultra light or file a flight plan. Oh and crop dusters fly for hire under service contracts as well as banner planes.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 01:29:24 PM
Great question, Currently all model aviation enthusiast fall under the Academy of Aeronautics. (AMA) If you fly an RC aircraft with a camera or FPV (First person video) you are required to have a spotter or observer, fly under 400 feet, and within your line of sight. Not that everyone follows this regulation but that's what it is. Other than that there are no restrictions.

If you fly for hire or deploy a system as a government or civilian organization for inspections, surveillance, search and rescue, mosquito eradication, ect, you fall under the direct jurisdiction of the FAA to interact with their designated controlled airspace.

RC aircraft are supposed to be flow in designated AMA sanctioned fields and not over populated environment's. Again, not that everyone follows these subscriptions but that is the current legislation we all fall under.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: VonMessa on August 22, 2013, 01:33:45 PM
Great question, Currently all model aviation enthusiast fall under the Academy of Aeronautics. (AMA) If you fly an RC aircraft with a camera or FPV (First person video) you are required to have a spotter or observer, fly under 400 feet, and within your line of sight. Not that everyone follows this regulation but that's what it is. Other than that there are no restrictions.

If you fly for hire or deploy a system as a government or civilian organization for inspections, surveillance, search and rescue, mosquito eradication, ect, you fall under the direct jurisdiction of the FAA to interact with their designated controlled airspace.

RC aircraft are supposed to be flow in designated AMA sanctioned fields and not over populated environment's. Again, not that everyone follows these subscriptions but that is the current legislation we all fall under.

Wouldn't you say that most of the drones operate in class G airspace?
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 01:38:15 PM
Wouldn't you say that most of the drones operate in class G airspace?

Yes, our sweet spot is 150-300 ft for optimal camera resolution. Most air traffic restrictions are 1000 ft with some areas of 500 ft.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: surfinn on August 22, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
So why the worries about the FAA then? State organization that would be hiring you to fly your drones. Unless your looking at the quick sale it appears to me there would be more money in a long time service contract. I.E bill by the hour for what ever drone system your using over a 10 year period of time with a variable in the contract for increasing expenses copled with the introduction of new technology over that period of time. Along with a minimal monthly flight time billed to the state.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: COndor06 on August 22, 2013, 01:57:35 PM
So why the worries about the FAA then? State organization that would be hiring you to fly your drones. Unless your looking at the quick sale it appears to me there would be more money in a long time service contract. I.E bill by the hour for what ever drone system your using over a 10 year period of time with a variable in the contract for increasing expenses copled with the introduction of new technology over that period of time. Along with a minimal monthly flight time billed to the state.

I agree but its just not the case currently. The FAA has been tasked to provide federal regulations by 2015. My interpretation of the FAA ban for (Drones for hire) is there way of putting a controlling factor out there so everyone with a toy RC airplane and a camera can't fly all over populated areas.

In order for us to do what we are doing there are directives we abide by. We have to have (X) amount of flight hours on the systems before its accepted as an approved aircraft, several redundancy features in place to operate the aircraft in case of link, pilot, computer, antenna failures, which involves navigational hardware (and software) which accounts for about 60% of the systems total expense.

Its the system we live in brother.
Title: Re: Condor drones to eradicate Florida Keys Mosquitos
Post by: surfinn on August 22, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
It's a great looking drone sir and good luck to you, I hope it works out. I'm sure the people who benefit from it will greatly appreciate your product. I wish my parents would have had something like that in their neighborhood to help them out after hurricane Katrina :salute