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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Max on August 27, 2013, 02:47:17 PM
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Any options for a scaled wirb gunsight out there?
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Guess this is my que.
The real reticle for these AA are simple amber crosses controlled by a fire control computer. Or a very clunky combination of a reticle painted on a plate of glass looking through a large calibrated ring with range color coded marks. I created the following using the offline target to determine what the max range Hitech allowed. That is the maximum range at which hit sprites and impact dots appear on the target.
Wirbel = 1700yds (5100ft)
Osti = 2700yds (8100ft)
Manned 3.7 = 4700yds (14100ft)
funny the gun in the osti and manned postion is the same 3.7.
Remember the bmp file has a mil file that has to be copied with it to the sights directory. On download, any extra popup windows, kill them, don't open them. They are a advertiser trying to force a search engine into your browser.
Download These Here ==>> http://www56.zippyshare.com/v/15374856/file.html
Wirbelwind
(http://imageshack.us/a/img706/2466/kif.gif)
Ostwind
(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/4686/becr.gif)
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Thanks bustr!
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:salute they look cool but do they work?
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If you want point and click talk to Hitech.
If you want to pull up the offline target and test the ranges you can answer your own question.
If you can't shoot, see a Trainer, OR, make your own gunsight. Hitech has kindly strewn tools and visual aids all over his game to assist you in creating your own personal dead eye, sure shot gunsight.
You won't like the real one used in the Flakvisier 38/40. It's a 100Mil amber cross controlled by a fire control computer. Only thing I could do for you was the ranges, diagonal lines and give you a 120Mil ring. What I created is no different than the Linealvisier 21 manual backup sight for the quad 20mm and manned 3.7 guns. I cannot find the reticle for the manual reflector sight Flakvisier 35 and have only seen a very blurry one in a ww2 propaganda video. Almost looks like mine. But, knowing ww2 gunsights and the rational behind the range and lead rings used to solve leading at speed. You can make an educated assumption of the main ring diameter as seen through a gunsight.
Flakvisier 38/40 electronic fire controlled.
(http://www.flak2cm.com/pictures/40sm.jpg)
Manual Optical Flakvisier 35 and what we probably have modeled in the Osti\warble.
(http://www.flak2cm.com/imagecache/74978e2e3e07f7801469896a161aa0f1.jpg)
Familiar looking gunsight with a 3.7.
(http://www.flak2cm.com/imagecache/812ade9b484dd7543fc98601a7a07c61.jpg)
Linaelvisier 21 and why my gunsights don't need someone to move the range bar for you.
(http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/german_aa/pics/gaaf6.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img571/5044/70201b.jpg)
(http://212.178.67.161/avx/sites/flak2cm/imagecache/1800e1b4c3f99827b6e2adf83d7a9ea7.jpg)
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:salute sounds cool but does it work?
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:salute sounds cool but does it work?
If used correctly YES they work.
Bustr, maybe a write up on HOW to use and line up these sites to score hits in the game?
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The range marks correspond to testing against the offline target to find the maximum range before the round disappears or is absorbed by the game. Then testing for every 5Mil or 10Mil into 1000yds which is the unmarked tick inside of the center ring. Testing for 5 or 10 is for uniformity to the marks.
Wirble
1000
1200
1500
1700 <---Max range
Osti
1000
1200
1400
1600
1800
2000
2100
2300
2500
2700 <---Max range
From level to about 70 degrees these range marks are within tolerances to help you achieve elevation close enough on zoom to use the tracers for correction. Just like the real gunners had to do. In most cases your kills are best inside of 1200 while the range marks help to shoot troops or M3, M8, SDK, LVT and things like that. Lead is something you will have to develop from experience. Generally 1000-1700 with either gun you lead with the aircraft just hidden by the side of the gunsight window. And as the aircraft is farther away your lead shortens. 2000 and past you can lead with the 120Mil ring structures.
You can give yourself a feel for aiming offline with the offline target. It can be set for range, compass heading and elevation. (.target 2000 45 8) will set the center of the target 2000 yards east about 1000ft in the air. What will be surprising is how long 20mm and 37mm rounds take to travel even 1000yds and maybe why you are leading too short.
.target range(1-36000) heading(1-360) azimuth(1-360)
Try the target command offline with the manned 37mm setting it up in the air say 1500 and see why you have to lead farther than you think because of the time it takes the round to register on the target. You can then get a better idea how the iron sight relates to range.
The LTAR squad had an excellent write up on how to aim with the osti. It translates to the manned 37mm and to the wirbel with allowances. Its all about knowing time to target, drop at range, and experience with the speeds of passing aircraft. If you ask about the LTAR write up someone probably has a copy.
That drawing I included with the aircraft at 600 meters and the triangle with one leg passing through the bar at the 600m mark. That accounts for range and lead. Then the gunner watched his tracers for drop adjustment. That range bar was color coded for ranges at each mark at the factory. No numbers. Depending on the AoA, bearing, or flight attitude of the aircraft the bar was manually adjusted to correspond to the travel attitude to create the range triangle. The reason for the 45 degree lines in my gunsights. The marks on the range bar show they didn't expect to hit fast moving aircraft much past 1200m.
I suppose I could create a range and lead chart to then try and duplicate the triangle aspect of the bar for lead. My problem is I don't know which rounds Hitech chose to model from the document "Bordwaffenmunition" or, if he made his own adjustments to the values. Over the years my impression is many of our rounds are hybrids for the sake of game play. Might be something to play around with anyway since gunnery in the game is not an exact science for many reasons.
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:salute im just messin with ya thanks for the post and download. :salute
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Here is roughly how the German manual sight for the AA (Linaelvisier 21) was worked out and how it is used. The gunner is responsible for watching his tracers to help with lead and elevation.
Linaelvisier 21
(http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/german_aa/pics/gaaf6.jpg)
Just about how my gunsight works for the wirbel, osti and can be translated into the 120Mil ring on the manned gun.
Mil Rings Hold Off at 350mph
(x)120Mil Hold off 1 = 120
Meters--Tm/s--(x)120Mil Hold off
100-----.11----1.43
200-----.23----1.49
300-----.36----1.56
400-----.49----1.59
500-----.62----1.61
600-----.78----1.67
700-----.90----1.69
800-----1.05---1.70
900-----1.20---1.73
1000---1.36---1.76
1100---1.53---1.80
1200---1.70---1.84
1300---1.87---1.87
1400---2.06---1.91
1500---2.25---1.95
1600---2.44---1.98
1700---2.65---2.02
1800---2.86---2.06
1900---3.08---2.10
2000---3.31---2.15
At 1700-1800m lead with just over 2 full rings from the gunsight center. The picture below shows the white 120Mil rings leading from the orange 120Mil reticle center.
How To Use the Wirble\Osti gunsights.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img801/1675/9azy.gif)
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For the Osti, I hold fire till there 1.5k away and walk my fire into them. Doesn't work every time but will work most of the time if you use the proper sight with a range on a ring.
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I downloaded gun sights for planes but they didn't work I put them in the file marked gun sights in the aces High program but when I checked for them on my gun sight options they weren't there any ideas? Thank you.. :salute :bhead
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I downloaded gun sights for planes but they didn't work I put them in the file marked gun sights in the aces High program but when I checked for them on my gun sight options they weren't there any ideas? Thank you.. :salute :bhead
The folder for gun sights inside the AcesHigh folder should be plainly "sights", without the quotes of course.
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The folder for gun sights inside the AcesHigh folder should be plainly "sights", without the quotes of course.
thank you bizman :salute
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I miss the days when you could set your mouse pointer on the center point then page up and not be stuck behind the gun sight. :headscratch: Made leading the target easier. :noid
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:salute well this sucks cant download it.
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:salute well this sucks cant download it.
If you feel strongly about getting them. PM me your e-mail address and I will respond with them as a zip attachment.
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The real Wirbelwind sights are not what we have in game. They had two as did the Ostwind.
One for ground targets one for aircraft.
This is the ground sight Zielfernrohr 3x8deg Flack.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr5b_zpsc213de8c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr5b_zpsc213de8c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr2b_zps8d80a89f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr2b_zps8d80a89f.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr3b_zps8f29112e.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr3b_zps8f29112e.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr4b_zps2e277c3f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr4b_zps2e277c3f.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/20201_zpse2079318.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/20201_zpse2079318.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr6_zps85d5a06b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr6_zps85d5a06b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr7b_zpsebfe14b3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr7b_zpsebfe14b3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_zpsb226fe74.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_zpsb226fe74.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_005_zps0e057c5c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_005_zps0e057c5c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_006_zps60fe842a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_006_zps60fe842a.jpg.html)
This is for aircraft the Schwebekreisviser 38.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/38flack_zpsf077f466.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/38flack_zpsf077f466.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/6130303162393038_zps844e1e51.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/6130303162393038_zps844e1e51.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img126_zpsb5301783.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img126_zpsb5301783.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/aa-sight-30-38_zps12e7682b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/aa-sight-30-38_zps12e7682b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/ring-sight_zps51ccee9f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/ring-sight_zps51ccee9f.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/05751_g_zpsba68d552.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/05751_g_zpsba68d552.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img125_zpsafed77d6.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img125_zpsafed77d6.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/22wl2_zpsa01f9ad0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/22wl2_zpsa01f9ad0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img129_zps5d73c9c4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img129_zps5d73c9c4.jpg.html)
The Ostwind used the same ground sight as the Wirbelwind. The prototype Ostwind used a sight that was only used on the prototype that was used in combat trials. It also is not what we have in AHII.
All production Ostwinds used the Schwebedornvisier it looked like this.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsight_zpsa3354f65.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsight_zpsa3354f65.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightinfo_zps29382693.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightinfo_zps29382693.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightfire_zps14e28674.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightfire_zps14e28674.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/flaktower_zps2f750668.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/flaktower_zps2f750668.jpg.html)
Truth be told all the mentioned sights on this link are useless in game because we don't have a fellow near the gunner doing this.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img131_zpsbc69c706.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img131_zpsbc69c706.jpg.html)
With out the guy at the rear with the horizontal looking telescope calling out the information needed for the people to adjust the sight to his call outs.
You really would not hit anything.
If you can see the tracers as they fire at your target & if you can tell if they are going under the aircraft or going over the aircraft that is all you need to know. Pull more lead if they are going under decrease the lead if the are going over.
If you using the sights in game you have limited your ability's to hit much of anything with the German flackpanzers. There is several ways to improve your shooting the in game sights is not one of them.
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Do we know why osti doesn't have its historical range or at lest the 37manned?
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The ones in game (Flakvisier 35) were used in fixed positions. The only image of the reticle for that one I've ever seen calculated out to about 120Mil. The ww2 footage was blurry and I only had about a 6th of an arc to work with. By leading based on 120Mil rings with what I came up with I hit a lot of aircraft while not on full zoom. On full zoom I can shoot at fixed positions and other GV utilizing the range marks in my reticles. Hitech has limited the effective ranges to 1700yds and 2700yds so most combat is very close and fast anyway. If our manned 37mm positions are German, then we have the wrong iron sight in them also.
Does anyone have a picture of the reticle for the Flakvisier 35? The 38\40 was a 100Mil cross relying on a two man team to do the range sighting and hand input range\azimuth while the gunner worried about following the change in intensity in the lit cross arms as his que for shooting.
Manned 37mm effective range is 4700yds based on when it stops making impact dots on the offline target. You can test all small arms in that manner in the game for their maximum effective range. When it stops making a mark on the target the matrix is absorbing it. I watch too many players shooting from wirbel\osti\37mm beyond their max range all the time. Against flying targets, 1000yds or there about is really the effective range for any of these guns with the average group of shooters in our game.
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The ones in game (Flakvisier 35) were used in fixed positions. The only image of the reticle for that one I've ever seen calculated out to about 120Mil. The ww2 footage was blurry and I only had about a 6th of an arc to work with. By leading based on 120Mil rings with what I came up with I hit a lot of aircraft while not on full zoom. On full zoom I can shoot at fixed positions and other GV utilizing the range marks in my reticles. Hitech has limited the effective ranges to 1700yds and 2700yds so most combat is very close and fast anyway. If our manned 37mm positions are German, then we have the wrong iron sight in them also.
Does anyone have a picture of the reticle for the Flakvisier 35? The 38\40 was a 100Mil cross relying on a two man team to do the range sighting and hand input range\azimuth while the gunner worried about following the change in intensity in the lit cross arms as his que for shooting.
Manned 37mm effective range is 4700yds based on when it stops making impact dots on the offline target. You can test all small arms in that manner in the game for their maximum effective range. When it stops making a mark on the target the matrix is absorbing it. I watch too many players shooting from wirbel\osti\37mm beyond their max range all the time. Against flying targets, 1000yds or there about is really the effective range for any of these guns with the average group of shooters in our game.
Don't have the reticle on the Flackvisier 35 but I do just about have everything else about it.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104636119/TME9-228-2cm-Flakvierling-38-German-20mm-Antiaircraft-Gun-Four-Barreled-Mount-1943
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50880823/Enemy-Weapons-Part-III-German-Light-AA-and-AT-Guns-War-Office-1942-WW
I have been trying to find these manuals they have what you need.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b864a1e37b99893e5a118c2ae3259bf6_zps8bfc9b21.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/b864a1e37b99893e5a118c2ae3259bf6_zps8bfc9b21.jpg.html)
http://www.worldcat.org/title/waffenausbildung-in-der-flakartillerie-ausgabe-fur-den-kanonier-2-cm-flak-30/oclc/246410400?referer=di&ht=edition
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:salute any chance someone making a film on this? I am most likely asking to much. :cheers:
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The real Wirbelwind sights are not what we have in game. They had two as did the Ostwind.
One for ground targets one for aircraft.
This is the ground sight Zielfernrohr 3x8deg Flack.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr5b_zpsc213de8c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr5b_zpsc213de8c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr2b_zps8d80a89f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr2b_zps8d80a89f.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr3b_zps8f29112e.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr3b_zps8f29112e.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr4b_zps2e277c3f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr4b_zps2e277c3f.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/20201_zpse2079318.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/20201_zpse2079318.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr6_zps85d5a06b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr6_zps85d5a06b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr7b_zpsebfe14b3.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/obr7b_zpsebfe14b3.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_zpsb226fe74.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_zpsb226fe74.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_005_zps0e057c5c.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_005_zps0e057c5c.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_006_zps60fe842a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/Schwebekreisvisier_38_006_zps60fe842a.jpg.html)
This is for aircraft the Schwebekreisviser 38.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/38flack_zpsf077f466.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/38flack_zpsf077f466.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/6130303162393038_zps844e1e51.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/6130303162393038_zps844e1e51.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img126_zpsb5301783.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img126_zpsb5301783.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/aa-sight-30-38_zps12e7682b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/aa-sight-30-38_zps12e7682b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/ring-sight_zps51ccee9f.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/ring-sight_zps51ccee9f.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/05751_g_zpsba68d552.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/05751_g_zpsba68d552.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img125_zpsafed77d6.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img125_zpsafed77d6.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/22wl2_zpsa01f9ad0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/22wl2_zpsa01f9ad0.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img129_zps5d73c9c4.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img129_zps5d73c9c4.jpg.html)
The Ostwind used the same ground sight as the Wirbelwind. The prototype Ostwind used a sight that was only used on the prototype that was used in combat trials. It also is not what we have in AHII.
All production Ostwinds used the Schwebedornvisier it looked like this.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsight_zpsa3354f65.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsight_zpsa3354f65.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightinfo_zps29382693.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightinfo_zps29382693.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightfire_zps14e28674.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/37mmsightfire_zps14e28674.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/flaktower_zps2f750668.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/flaktower_zps2f750668.jpg.html)
Truth be told all the mentioned sights on this link are useless in game because we don't have a fellow near the gunner doing this.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img131_zpsbc69c706.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Ostwind%20Wirbelwind/img131_zpsbc69c706.jpg.html)
With out the guy at the rear with the horizontal looking telescope calling out the information needed for the people to adjust the sight to his call outs.
You really would not hit anything.
If you can see the tracers as they fire at your target & if you can tell if they are going under the aircraft or going over the aircraft that is all you need to know. Pull more lead if they are going under decrease the lead if the are going over.
If you using the sights in game you have limited your ability's to hit much of anything with the German flackpanzers. There is several ways to improve your shooting the in game sights is not one of them.
Found a German document on the ground sight.
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I miss the days when you could set your mouse pointer on the center point then page up and not be stuck behind the gun sight. :headscratch: Made leading the target easier. :noid
You can still page up and not be behind site :aok
:cheers: Oz
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In the warble. Leading with the sight at 800-1000. Cut the con's fuselage in half or its nose just on the outside of the vertical bar of the rectangular sight frame.