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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: artik on September 01, 2013, 04:19:30 AM
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I had seen some loooooooooong time ago a program about a type of game in US - sort of paintball.
1. Use real planes with a flight instructor aside you so you wouldn't crash
2. Use lasers for scoring a hits - or something like that.
You pay, get some instructions and than go to A2A battle - most important open to general public.
- Does such things exist yet?
- Anybody can point me to such stuff?
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sure does google "air combat USA" :aok
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sure does google "air combat USA" :aok
Wow.... it is true...
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sure does google "air combat USA" :aok
But what about the cost? ANd Flight models/damage models :noid
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But what about the cost? ANd Flight models/damage models :noid
Give them a call and ask. Please let us know what you find out.
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Keep in mind that their business model took a huge hit after some high profile accidents. T-34 wings were shedding at about 3-3.5Gs due to undetected corrosion if I recall correctly. I think nowadays they focus on corporate events, but I might be wrong.
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sure does google "air combat USA" :aok
Pilot height limit 6'6" .... :bhead
Not that I would be able to afford it anyway ;)
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some one on here I thought had flown A2A there last year or somthing :headscratch: dot remember, but I thought so. looks like a blast though :aok
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Keep in mind that their business model took a huge hit after some high profile accidents. T-34 wings were shedding at about 3-3.5Gs due to undetected corrosion if I recall correctly. I think nowadays they focus on corporate events, but I might be wrong.
Wow...
Can you put some references to NTSB investigation?
Have the pilot/trainee survived - (AFAIK any aerobatics require the crew to be stripped to a parachute)?
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some one on here I thought had flown A2A there last year or somthing :headscratch: dot remember, but I thought so. looks like a blast though :aok
There's a few, I believe. This one is from awhile back (word searched): http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,48637.msg436700.html#msg436700
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There is an outfit at Williams Gateway outside Phoenix the does this with Extra 300s, a much more robust and capable aircraft.
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Yes, such a place does exist. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=air+combat+usa&oq=air+combat+usa&gs_l=youtube.3..0.1129.4808.0.5243.14.10.0.4.4.0.173.1149.4j6.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.oU9NZhSX9Kc
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Prices :O
http://aircombat.com/program-prices/
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Wow...
Can you put some references to NTSB investigation?
Have the pilot/trainee survived - (AFAIK any aerobatics require the crew to be stripped to a parachute)?
It was several years ago (like 10 maybe), but over the space of 2 or 3 years in that particular industry there were at least 2 fatal mishaps from structural failures. Sorry, I don't have any links to news reports since it was so long ago. I vaguely remember that there were some ADs for beech bonanza wing spars that maybe should have applied to T-34s regarding wing spars, but maybe they didn't get done on the T-34s due to construction differences or something? In any case, there was a slew of finger pointing and insurance rates went up, and next thing you know they're just not advertising much any more. I contacted one outfit a year ago to see if they were hiring, and was told that they were low volume and due to liability issues they were doing corporate team building gigs, where they'd sell a package deal to a company and have a dozen or more people come out all at once for a day of flying.
Maybe Mouse could give you the real story since I think he's a lot closer to that business... This is just what I heard and pieced together from the news reports and hearing this and that over the last several years.
My Dad flew with one of the outfits using SF-260s before the mishaps, and he had a blast until he started puking. I don't think any of the outfits flying SF-260s ever had any mishaps but it wouldn't surprise me if they got caught up in the insurance rate increases anyhow.
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Prices :O
http://aircombat.com/program-prices/
Looks like SF-260s. Good planes from what I've been told. Back when my Dad got his flight, the basic package was around $500.
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Looks like SF-260s. Good planes from what I've been told. Back when my Dad got his flight, the basic package was around $500.
I've already set aside $200, and putting $50 aside each month to eventually get to here
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Air combat USA....it's awesome!!!! I did it about 10 years ago and want to do it again soon!
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But what about the cost? ANd Flight models/damage models :noid
I paid about 1500 bucks for 8 flights. There is no damage or leading the target. Once you get the pipper on your target you pull the trigger and smoke trails from the airplane.
The pilots radio "knock it off!", separate and remerge. Its like a 1v1 in the DA...
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Pilot height limit 6'6" .... :bhead
Not that I would be able to afford it anyway ;)
I squeaked by with a 1/4" to spare lol
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Keep in mind that their business model took a huge hit after some high profile accidents. T-34 wings were shedding at about 3-3.5Gs due to undetected corrosion if I recall correctly. I think nowadays they focus on corporate events, but I might be wrong.
Air Combat USA use different planes and for the life of me I can't remember what they are. 2 seater side by side...
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Wow...
Can you put some references to NTSB investigation?
Have the pilot/trainee survived - (AFAIK any aerobatics require the crew to be stripped to a parachute)?
http://www.aopa.org/Advocacy/Regulatory-,-a-,-Certification-Policy/Regulatory-Brief-T-34-wing-spar-issue
It was a costly inspection issue that basically destroyed the value of T-34's overnight. I have several friends that lost thousands in value from the AD's. Their aircraft were all meticulously assembled and maintained. Unfortunately, with aviation, you frequently cater to the lowest common denominator.
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I bet one of us could cream the competition. I mean for all intents and purposes, we have more experience with aerial combat :bolt:.
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I bet one of us could cream the competition. I mean for all intents and purposes, we have more experience with aerial combat :bolt:.
Don't forget we know how to tail slide, hammer-head, ho, and :noid ram :old:
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Air Combat USA put on a good day for the folks I was with. There were 4 of us booked at one of their travel locations, myself and another AH player to duel and of the other two one also was an AH player/member of The Damned.
The Marchetti's are good ships, forgiving enough and handled well. This was back when they were using VHS recorders so I never came up with a decent digital copy and the hard copy has disappeared into space since then. I do have a nice wall photo of my airplane tucked up with the other airplane to remember the day.
All in all it was a lot of fun but I ended up needing a little break after we got into a vertical scissors and going from +4G to -2G right NOW when the IPs broke us off for getting too close to one another. That scrambled my gyro but at least I didn't revisit lunch. We did 5 fights against each other and then we took on the others IP...that last one didn't go so well for either of us! Per our request they didn't add advice during the fight or talk us through much because we wanted to put our virtual fighter prowess to the test. For me being aggressive enough in the merge took a couple tries but eventually got comfortable enough to use the airplane by the end of the day.
I've wanted a rematch for quite a while. RV6, if you're reading this it's on me this time!