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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: hblair on December 18, 2001, 02:38:00 PM
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This Saturday is a big day for the Aces High Combat Theater. Saturday marks the beginning of a new series of historical and quazi-historical setups that the CT staff will be running in that arena over two week periods. These setups were (and will be) put together by your CT Staff taking many factors into consideration. Having said that, we are not perfect and don't claim to be, so, if you have a problem with a side balance issue or anything else, please post your concern in a polite informative way and we'll weigh it against what we see in the arena.
Our first run will begin this Saturday, December 22nd and run til Friday, January 4th. At that time another yet to be announced setup will be introduced. Here are some of the more important details on what you will see in the Combat Theater this Saturday:
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ARENA SETTINGS:
Baltic Terrain / 2 countries
Radar: Sector Counters only, disabled below 500ft. (in-tower and in-plane)
Icons: Scenario style (short)
Field Capture enabled
Killshooter: on
FIELD SETTINGS:
AXIS
Fighters/Jabo: (all fields)
109F4
109G2
109G6
FW190a5
FW190F8 -Substitute for Fw 190F-3
FW190a8 -Substitute for Fw 190A-7
Medium Bomber: (all fields)
JU88
Troop/Cargo Delivery: (all fields)
C-47 -Substitute for JU52
M-3 -Substitute for German Halftrack
Ground Vehicles (all fields)
Panzer IV
Ostwind
ALLIES
Fighters/Jabo: (all fields)
Spit5
Spit9
Typhoon IB
Mosquito
Hurricane IIc
P47d11
P51b
Carrier Based: (carriers only)
Seafire
F4U-1
TBM
Medium Bomber: (all fields)
B26
Troop/Cargo Delivery: (all fields)
C-47
M-3
Ground Vehicles (all fields)
Panzer IV -Substitute for Sherman
M-8
M-16
Ground Vehicles (fleets only)
LVT(A)2
LVT(A)4
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Our goal is to see the Combat Theater remain populated around the clock from this Saturday on. I know there are several of you who have posted your desires for a reduced icon/radar 2-sided historical type arena. Well, here it is. I strongly encourage you to relay this post to your friends who may have interest in this arena. Tell everyone who you think would enjoy this. Help us make this arena a full time alternative to the Aces High main arena. We're trying to do our part by building a fun setup, that's all we can do. It's up to you to click on "Combat Theater" when you log on.
I look forward to seeing you in the air.
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Regards,
hblair
Combat Theater Staff
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[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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S!
WooHoo! I'll be there with my rusty jug!
WTG, good job!
:)
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XO 348th FG "Kearby's Thunderbolts"
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WTG CT team!
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Where do I enlist? ! ? ! :)
Hopefully I'll wring more 'flight' time at home and if so when I am online I pledge to fly CT only in order to help keep the "counter" live at the arena login screen.
Westy
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Looks like it will be fun hblair.
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Plane sets look like a very good matchup. Too bad there isn't a more realistic way to do radar. I'll definitely give it a try.
Thanks for the effort CT Team!
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S!
By the way for you History buffs out there...
This is not a historical setup, in that such a campaign didn't happen in WWII. However...
Winston Churchill was always against a direct invasion of France. He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to agree to Operation Overlord. His preferences was to nibble at the German periphery, with invasions in Greece, Norway, Italy etc. After the disastrous raid at Dieppe, and the thrashing the British got in France, he didn't like the idea of facing the full German army in France.
So if his ideas had been accepted, (he convinced the Americans to invade Italy in summer '43 instead of France) then history would have seen an invasion of Norway, likely in Autumn '43.
So this is what we are simulating to a certain extent here. :D
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I'll be there.
May I ask how field capture is being handled? I see that it is on.
What will keep fields captured by the Allies from launching Luftwaffe aircraft instead of USAAF or RAF aircraft?
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Originally posted by Karnak:
I'll be there.
May I ask how field capture is being handled? I see that it is on.
What will keep fields captured by the Allies from launching Luftwaffe aircraft instead of USAAF or RAF aircraft?
This is already an in-game feature. All fields captured by a country will have that country's specific planes automatically enabled when the field is captured.
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I will be there. :)
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Airfileds are not deserted until attacked!
With a large map, low numbers of praticipants, and the above radar settings, airfields can and will be taken by two guys milk running below the dar and the opposition will never know until the declartaion of field capture on channel 6. That is not historic.
I know there are several of you who have posted your desires for a reduced icon/radar 2-sided historical type arena.
It seems that the greatest proponents for these radar settings are on the CT staff. Is this really what the majority of possible CT users want?
so, if you have a problem with a side balance issue or anything else, please post your concern in a polite informative way and we'll weigh it against what we see in the arena.
Hmmmmn. This quote really bugs me. I am not going to plead with fellow players for changes to an arena. I will do it with Pyro or HT because it is their gig, but not players.
F.
(actually and unexplicably incensed)
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Wow furious, that's kinda extreme isn't it?
You forgot this part of my post:
we are not perfect and don't claim to be
I reread my post and don't see how I came over as trying to be pompous. That really wasn't my intention. The settings above are not chiseled in stone, but we wouldn't just change settings on a whim either.
Patience man, Patience.
I hope you will support this effort. I look forward to seeing your 190 taking down some allied aluminum.
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I knew I was more bothered by it than I should have been. I'm over it now.
It musta been the rash; I hate breakin in new thongs. :D
One thing to add:
Can you guys give mission type ideas/orders in the welcome screen? Something that could be updated and give general direction to each sides efforts.
F.
(I still hope that we can get some maps scaled to the lower number of users)
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Just wondering will axis HAve CV groups?. If not mabye just a cruiser or 2 spawning from ports would be nice. And If not that I dont mind JU-88's can handle CV's nicely :) .
Furzy
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No p38??... hmm =(.. Count me out. hehe
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Yes, was thinking the same lazer.
Please put P-38 in there.. until they do the dive flaps its basically a slower J model.
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DAR OFF!!!!
Finally something realistic!! I'll be there, sneeking up on all you guys with "rusty jugs" :D Watch those taters! :eek:
Seriously, In tower DAR is a good idea if HT can support it. In plane, takes most of the "surprise factor" away from veteran pile-its. I read once that about 70% of pile-its shot down in WWII never saw the plane that got them... GAME ON!
Max - scoring 1 for historical accuracy - Out!
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I too recommend adding the P-38. The BigWeek scenario showed quite well that P-38's can be effectively killed by 109G6's and 190A-8's. I also recommend adding the F6F because the Royal Navy used them. Finally, I suggest removing the P-51B; it has the most potential of any to "unbalance" the plane set as it is double superior to most of the German fighters and the advantage only grows with altitude.
Add an F6F and I'll give it a try :)
J_A_B
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I read once that about 70% of pile-its shot down in WWII never saw the plane that got them... GAME ON!
Yes, but that doesn't just mean that they were flying along straight and level when <BOOM>.
What it also means is that they didn't see the guy come in behind them while they were in a dog fight. They did't see the guy who blindsided them. Waxing guys who are straight and level is certainly accurate, but don't take that to mean most kills were that way.
Besides, aren't those kills effectively freebie vulches? Boring and unchallenging?
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Count me in!! :D
Though I need to expose my ignorance here a bit. I don't honestly remember ever reading much of anything stating the use of P-38s in the euro theater.
I'm also at a bit of a loss of F6f's being used in the Royal Navy. Not saying that neither is true just that I haven't run across anything about it up to this point.
If anyone would be so kind as to illuminate on this somwhat I'd greatly apreciate it :D
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Interesting idea Furious.
Fellas, I'm sorry your plane isn't featured in this planeset, but I hope this won't discourage you from giving this one a try.
[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Damn shame we have to substitute. Had we an axis equivalent we could forego icons entirely.
Beeg
Troop/Cargo Delivery: (all fields)
C-47 -Substitute for JU52
M-3 -Substitute for German Halftrack
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Sounds like fun - I'm in for a try! :)
to all they guys complaining, I do agree with some of the posts, but looks like somebody has actually made an effort to make the CT playable. They also claim that this is a first attempt - so please try it to see if "two guys can sneak under dar and capture" and such problems, really happen. then think of a solution.
Will be there on the weekend and drag as many as I can with me, to build a critical mass of players :)
Bozon
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Yes, but that doesn't just mean that they were flying along straight and level when <BOOM>.
What it also means is that they didn't see the guy come in behind them while they were in a dog fight. They did't see the guy who blindsided them. Waxing guys who are straight and level is certainly accurate, but don't take that to mean most kills were that way.
Besides, aren't those kills effectively freebie vulches? Boring and unchallenging?
Karnak.. Tactics used by the Luftwaffe dictated that they used every possible advantage. Sun, clouds, etc... No, they weren't straight and level kills attributed to poor SA of the other pile-its. It was attributed to superior skill and tactics learned from the campaigns Germany had going on in the mid 30's.
Put you to sleep.. no... Kill you ... yes
Unchallenging? No. I prefer to out-smart the other guy before I try to out-fly him. I guess we find our challenges differently.
Sounds to me like all those oposed to DAR off really need long range icons in a controlled dueling arena to compensate for poor SA, which does exist by the way.
You want a real challenge? Bring your squads up for a duel with the Assassins... ICONS OFF. Only the FDB's have accepted and it was a blast. It will give you a new perspective.
And lastly Karnak, there is a certain satisfaction in killing a straight and level plane after a successful stealth approach executed properly. Especially when you kill him, and he demands to know where you are and accuses you of cheating... ROFLMAO
Turn DAR and ICONs off - We'll seperate the men from the boys real quick...
Max - Out!
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: BigMax ]
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WTG CT Team!
Nim
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WTG CT staff, I'll be there, my plane-of-the-month is the mossie, so, axis wussies, watch out for NOE raids ;)
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Couple comments:
The Fleet Air Arm did not use the F6f5 versus the Germans. They used the earlier model F6f.
The P-38L is quite a bit faster than the P-38J. Yes, P-38L's were killed in Big Week by the German planes there, (I killed one in an A5 :) ) but more often than not that was because they were outnumbered since there were more Luftwaffe interceptors than USAAF escorts.
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Yup,
WTG Guys, I'll be there.
TTFN
snafu
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"Turn DAR and ICONs off - We'll seperate the men from the boys real quick..."
:rolleyes:
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I don't think that Max means that literally Toad. :D
BTW, we'd really enjoy having you and your fine squadmates in here. I hope you guys consider giving it a go.
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wont be there on sat but will be soon after
thanks to all who worked hard on this. this and the snapshots (which are hard for me to make) is the main reason i pay 14.95 a month.
i am sure it wont be perfect to all ( that would be impossible) but this set up sounds like it will work for me. again thanks to all
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Buzzbait--actually the P-38L is a bit slower than the P-38J. This is not really important as the real 1943 P-38 was the P-38H. Also, the two versions of F6F are so similar as to render any argument over their version pointless (there is a whopping 2 MPH difference in top speed).
That said, whether they use them or not is up to the CT team.
J_A_B
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Heyas HB!
Looks like a fine setup. I'm not unhappy in the MA like some, however, I do like the idea of a CT if for nothing else, to just have options.
13th TAS will give it a go from time to time...hope it works out for everyone concerned.
Oh...thanks for the hard work...CT staffs efforts are appreciated by this pilot.
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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If you like planes that aren't in this set, I'd encourage you to fly anyways. There's no way everyone will have their favorite plane in every setup. The LW guys need people to shoot at this time around, and when a PAC theater happens, we'll need those LW fans to jump into some IJN or USN aircraft for the PAC fans. :)
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Count me in.
Sure there's a few things I'd like to see, but you know what? I see more Pros than Cons and from the feedback, some very experienced players will be participating :D
I'll miss my Lancaster, but I'm told the Jug climbs almost as fast :D
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Mmmm....
No Niki?????
No La7????????
I dont will play so!!!
:p :D
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It all sounds pretty good guys, cant wait to try it out.
I'm curious as what the reasoning was to leave out the p-38 considereing there were a bunch of 'em in europe in '43 I believe.
I'd like to see friendly dot dar on if possible just to keep from wasting alot of time merging with friendlies.
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"The P-38L is quite a bit faster than the P-38J"
P-38J was faster.
"This is not really important as the real 1943 P-38 was the P-38H"
No, the J version was in service by Aug. 1943. The -25 (last batch) of 38J's had the boosted aleirons and dive flaps, those I believe entered service in early '44.
Still, its a shame the 38 is not in this setup, as it is now its basically a J that can roll better at near compression speeds.
When you add the 38, let me know, ill live in the CT.
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Crash, since scenario icon setting gives friendly icons at much longer range than it gives enemy icons, the lack of friendly dots probably won't be a huge issue for most. Besides which, part of the philosophy of the CT is to recreate some of the Fog of War that is lacking in the MA.
As for the reason for leaving the P-38 out, we just felt that the Allies had plenty of aircraft choices already in this set up, particularly in the JABO catagory. Don't worry about the Lightning...It'l get used in another set up, and soon I'd wager. I've already got a set up on the drawing boards that uses it.
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Tac--look up what the first P-38 groups in the 8th airforce were flying when they went active in late 1943. It was the P-38H.
Was the P-38J already in use in the 9th airforce at this time? It is possible we are both correct. Or, perhaps the P-38J was used earlier in Italy or the Pacific?
J_A_B
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38 driver all the way here and I sure would like to see it in the CT, but if not I will "force" myself to fly something else. ;)
Don't see any reason "not" to have it, but I understand the reasons and like I said I will fly in the CT anyway.
<S>
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"part of the philosophy of the CT is to recreate some of the Fog of War that is lacking in the MA."
IMO, the proposed settings create more FoW than existed in WWII. Radar and ground control were vital elements in homeland defense. For realistic FoW, there needs to be some kind of dot dar over friendly territory, and no dar of any kind over enemy territory.
Tower-only dot dar (or infrequently refreshed inflight dot dar) would be much more realistic than the bar dar "somewhere in 625 square miles at an undetermined altitude", while still removing the SA crutch that so many oppose. I hope HTC will implement one or the other in some future release.
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Blair,
I'll probably fly it some. The question will simply be where do I have more fun, fun being an entirely subjective assessment made soley by my own little self.
If I have more fun in the CT, I'll fly it the most. If I have more fun in the MA, I'll fly it the most.
Once again as I mentioned in a previous thread, there is ONE thing that will keep me TOTALLY out of the CT.
If I perceive that the CT's more "manly" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: icon and dar settings are generating a divisive attitude in the player group, I'm out. I'll not support something that splits the player base. Saw it once in another ACM game, based on an equally ludicrous assumption; I'd hate to see it get started here.
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Hmmm,...If I'm readin' ya right, what I'm getting here is that it was left out for the sake of arena balance, which is ok, no problems with it here, but if balance is the issue, and I'm sure I'll catch hell for this one, but it might have been wiser to remove the p51b. Not sure when the p51b's starting showing up in numbers in theatre but it sure would make the arena more interesting. The spit IX would more than make up for the lack of a p51b. BTW, just to demonstrate that I'm not just trying to get my favorite ride introduced, if you check my stats you'll see my primary and by far favorite ride is the p51. The p38, imo would be by far the better choice for arena balance and fun quotient. As far as balancing jabo, how bout using the il2 to duplicate the ju87 stuka? Just some thoughts.
CRASH
Originally posted by Sabre:
Crash, since scenario icon setting gives friendly icons at much longer range than it gives enemy icons, the lack of friendly dots probably won't be a huge issue for most. Besides which, part of the philosophy of the CT is to recreate some of the Fog of War that is lacking in the MA.
As for the reason for leaving the P-38 out, we just felt that the Allies had plenty of aircraft choices already in this set up, particularly in the JABO catagory. Don't worry about the Lightning...It'l get used in another set up, and soon I'd wager. I've already got a set up on the drawing boards that uses it.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: CRASH ]
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Toad, the stuff about the icons radar being "manly' is usually just friendly banter when it does appear, which is rare anyway. Something not to be taken seriously by guys like you and me.
Ok men. The P38. It was dumped out of my original setup in an attempt to bring the air-to-ground abilities of the axis and allies more in line. Also, it will be featured in a soon-to-come planeset. I know the pony-B is the better of the two air-to air, but that's not the only factor that was considered.
Don't let this keep you away guys, there's several other allied planes to choose from. :)
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Originally posted by hblair:
Toad, the stuff about the icons radar being "manly' is usually just friendly banter when it does appear, which is rare anyway. Something not to be taken seriously by guys like you and me.
I understand that HB. You understand that.
Now we'll find out how many of the "soup stirrers" understand that.
All the icon & radar stuff is merely "difficulty level" stuff, with very little if anything to do with <cough> "realism".
Some people have gotten pretty good at this game and want to turn up the "difficulty level" beyond what would be normal <cough> "realism".
For the New Guys that's not too sporting, eh wot old chum? You might say it's a "Quake-like" reaction to gaining proficiency at the "normal" level, might you not? Then who would be the "Quake-ers"?
I guess we'll see how many understand that as well. :D
As I said, I'll try it out. But I won't be part of anything that divides the player group, even if it's just the "unwashed" that start dividing the group. Just my .02.
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Popeye, I appreciate the point you're making, and want to expand on the reasoning behind the radar settings planned for the CT. Forgive me in advance if this sounds a bit like a lecture :). You are both right and wrong regarding the strategic and tactical importance of radar in WWII. Strategically, in some theatres it had a huge impact, while in others it played almost no role (or only played a significant role for one side or the other). Tactically, it was used to point interceptors at the general vicinity of the enemy formations, but could not (even over friendly territory) provide the type of attack vectoring we've come to know in modern aerial warfare. Very often, there were rules followed by the air defense control centers that formations under a certain estimated size were ignored completely, with no vectoring of interceptors and only (rarely) warning calls to friendly aircraft to "be on the look out" for enemy aircraft. All detection, tracking, and control was done manually, and the shear size of the areas to be defended and the huge volume of air traffic (especially near the FEBA) guaranteed that the air defense networks were marginally effective at best. The thing is, marginally effective can mean the difference between victory and defeat.
The other thing to consider, and an aspect lacking in our simulated environment, is the near constant effort to destroy or otherwise render ineffective those very same air defense networks; everything from jamming to direct attack was undertaken to increase the enemy's fog and friction of war.
What all this leads to is the decision to go with the in-flight bar-dar, with limited range and an altitude floor, to simulate the average effectiveness of radar warning and control networks in WWII. As an aside, it reflects what a majority of people seemed to be asking for as a compromise between the AWACS-dar and the "icons are for sissies" mindset. As we go on, this and other aspects of the CT set up will undergo constant scrutiny and review. The comments of players such as your self will be measured against the final yardstick of CT population, and adjustments made if warranted. Hope that helps to further clarify our reasoning on this.
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my only input to all this is that once you guys come up with a plan we all know every other person who posts here will have his idea about "how to make it better"
Hopefully the ct cms have heard all of us but once you guys make a descision about icons, planesets whatever please stick with your plan. Do not make a bunch of small tweaks each designed to accomodate some other guys point of view.
Now I agree that some tweaking and testing will be necessary but do it in lumps not "well today we add a 38", "tomorrow a g6", then "turn icons on today", "no dar tomorrow".
I also agree with toad and in that any open hostility toward the "main" folks and "ct" folks oughta be discouraged.
These arenas in every other game are never packed and usually only a handful of guys fly them regularly.
Regardless of whatever tweaking is done.
That said there should never be night time in the ct. Night Sux :)
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That said there should never be night time in the ct. Night Sux :)
*looking through index cards for my wussies speach* :D j/k
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I like the sound of this. However, I'm not sure I'll be here or not on Saturday. I'm off with the family out of town for a week. Hopefully we are leaving Sunday and not Saturday (you can tell who is the boss around here, huh?) Anyway, point I'm trying to get at is it's way cool, but you may have low numbers at first because of it starting right at the very end of the holiday season.
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Hblair,
Do I have to sign up the Nightmares in Advance for this or do we just show up? I'm going to the Hitech site now to look.
Great idea bro and the Nightmares are very interested.
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Pyroman, this is a 24/7 arena that will run with the above planeset for two weeeks, then another for two weeks, etc. Come and go at your convenience. :)
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Originally posted by hblair:
[QB]Saturday marks the beginning of a new series of historical and quazi-historical setups that the CT staff will be running in that arena over two week periods.
Heard about this on Bigweek. Way to go, folks. I'll be there.
- Oldman
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I'll be HO'ing your sorry tulips with 4X20mm hizookas till it becomes clear that the other alternative is better ;) ;) :D :D
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"I'll be HO'ing your sorry tulips with 4X20mm hizookas till it becomes clear that the other alternative is better "
And you'll be doing it in a plane that's 20 MPH faster than anything the Germans have :)
J_A_B
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yes, and at 1/3rd their zoom rate.
Ill play chicken. cluck cluck!
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sigh.. too bad the G-10 came out so friggin' late.. or IT would balance out the pony threat
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horray horray yippeee
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Well, the LW actually has it in the bellybutton in the CT. They face an overwhelming variety of AC that fight with different ACM styles. Mainly, the LW being almost purely B&Z (xcept 109f4 which can turn a little bit), vs allies which have 3 better hi-speed B&Z planes (P47d11, P5b, tiffie) and access to a horde of T&B planes (hurricane, seafire) & planes which are almost T&B and B&Z hybrids, the Mossie,f4u-1 and the spitV/IX
So, allies face constantly E-fighting B&Z while LW face everything else. Not to mention the disparity on bombers and jabo, where the allies have a highly survivable turbolaser packin' B-26 vs the paint scratching Balsa wood Ju88. Thank god the icons are short for the buff gunners too.
Jabo leaves the LW with only 1X 190 mod that carry more than 1 bomb of ord and the rest are just 1-bomb lobbing 109's and 190's.. and leaves them low alt facing spits and hurricanes (where they really dont stand a chance vs them).
Allies have the 51b (2X 500lb bombs + 6 rockets), mossie (2X500lb + 8 rockets or 4 X500lbs), hurricane (2X1k) , spitIX (2X250kg 1X500lb bomb) and the typhoon (2X1k or 8 rockets).
In essence,
Allies=Superiority in high speed handling craft B&Z , vast superiority in low alt T&B, dominance in Jabo/bombing. Carrier plane capability.
LW= Leather seats, better beer, stout sheep, better climb rate (109s), more cannon packin' (190's), slight superiority as long as they stay higher than the rest.
I would say they should add the 205 and 202 to the LW arsenals and put the mossie in lieu of the bf110 to give LW some Jabo ability. I would also remove the Flaktank and Panzer from the choices of the allies, dont they have m16 and the m8? Besides, if a panzer is near, so will a tiffie or hurricane be...very quickly.
Been enjoying the CT as it is now, 109f4 much fun, but it wont be fun once it starts getting more numbers.. and the allies start swatting fields left and right because they got the planes and the ord to dominate both speed fights and turn fights
As rude would say, A WHINE HAS BEEN RECORDED.
("LW I feel your pain!" )
The above was edited from another post. Forgot to put it here. Stupid me.
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And of course, I still think the 38 should be there instead of the 51B. 38 cant overpower the german planeset in the way the bpony can, but thats just my opinion.
Having a blast flying the 109f4... and not seeing a SINGLE damn n1k or la7 in sight! What a relief!!!
[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Tac ]
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"Solution: Give the mossie to the germans too. It would be representing the Me110 jabo mode."
Oh please no. Nothing would take my steam out faster than plane substitions like Tac suggested.
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Please explain how the P-51B is better than the current LW planeset in there?
True in the hands of a capable and smart pilot it is a very nice ride. However most P-51B's that I have come across in both the CT and the MA are not flown by people that are smart and capable. :D
Just an observation on my part.
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Originally posted by Tac:
A single allied plane can jabo a town. Mossie, P51B, P47d11. It takes 2 LW planes to level a town. Allied planes also arrive to target faster.
uh...A p-47D11 only carries 1 bomb. Not the jabo monster the D25 and D30 is.
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cc sancho, I forgot to change that post to a more detailed one I made in another thread. edited. And btw, a d-11 can smack a town too.. you just gotta aim ;)
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S!
Actually the 109's are actually better fighting as turnfighters versus most of the Allied aircraft.
The P-47D11, P-51b, Mossie and Typhoon all turn worse than any of the 109's, including the G6. (unless it's got the twin gunpods)
And the 109F4 can give the Spit IX a run for its money.
Plus the 109's outclimb them all!
The 190A5 will low speed outturn the P-47 below 10,000 ft and will give a 51b a run for its money, very close match there.
I have been flying Allied and doing poorly. (I think my timing is off because of an ear infection) When I switched to the German side, I immediately started scoring better, despite the fact the Germans were outnumbered.
The Germans do have a lack of bombing capability, but there is not much we can do about that. The 190F is a capable plane. More durable in the ground attack role than the P-51b certainly. For everyone who is screaming for the 110, all I can say is wait a little while...
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No matter what anyone suggests or what is implemented, the CT is a damn sight better than the MA right now. I'm tired of everyone (AW mostly) whinning and squeaking about how the MA isn't right for this or for that. IMHO, buggers can't be choosers.
Expect to see me in the CT often.
<S> Drunky
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Tac,
The 110 would not nearly match the Mossie for Jabo work, it would barely match the Fw190F-8 in fact.
The Germans should get the shaft in Jabo, that is after all where they found themselves in 1943.
BTW, Allies don't have the Ostwind.
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Thanks for your hard work CT team!
Who all is on the team?
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CT Team is:
Buzzbait
Funkedup
Hblair
and...hmmm...Oh yeah! Me.
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hblair,
what's the fuel burn multi. in the CT?
Bozon
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Bozon, it's 1.5.
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Just a stupid question - do CT results affect your overall scoring? Is there a separate scoring system for the CT? Can perks be earned in the CT for use in MA? I assume that all these answers are no, but just wanted to confirm.
I know I will be getting my arse handed to me in the CT - but it would be a learning experience and at least I wont have to look out for that freaking LA7.