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Title: P-47C5
Post by: -ammo- on September 13, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
The addition of this AC would fill a small but very significant gap in spring/summer of 1943.  The modeling wouldn't be difficult as it is so similar to the D11, the workload on HTC and the ambitious skin makers would be low. 

The time period this AC served was important and many potential events would benefit from the inclusion of the AC.  I may even get my Bob Johnson skin - "Lucky" :aok

For your consideration.

Respectfully submitted,

Ammo  :salute
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Zacherof on September 13, 2013, 02:28:03 PM
The addition of this AC would fill a small but very significant gap in spring/summer of 1943.  The modeling wouldn't be difficult as it is so similar to the D11, the workload on HTC and the ambitious skin makers would be low. 

The time period this AC served was important and many potential events would benefit from the inclusion of the AC.  I may even get my Bob Johnson skin - "Lucky" :aok

For your consideration.

Respectfully submitted,

Ammo  :salute
Only if it has the bubble canopy. THis bird cage non-sense it Bs :old:





























+1 :)
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Devil 505 on September 13, 2013, 02:34:34 PM
First bubble top was the D-25, Zach.

How does the C-5 differ from the D-11?
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Karnak on September 13, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
Only if it has the bubble canopy. THis bird cage non-sense it Bs :old:
Of course it had a bird cage canopy.  Do you think they went from bubble canopy, took the effort to design and build a bird cage canopy for some reason and then went back to a bubble canopy?
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Butcher on September 13, 2013, 03:27:30 PM
First bubble top was the D-25, Zach.

How does the C-5 differ from the D-11?

One of the biggest differences was the standardization of water injection into the intake manifold to produce more prolonged combat power of 2,300hp at 27,000 ft. A C-5 does 420mph and D-11 was a little faster at 433mph.
Also additional armor production for the pilot, fuel and oxygen system upgrades and the exhaust ducting was improved for reliability and performance.

Paddle-bladed airscrews were fitted as well.

Its really about a marginal performance difference between the two at high alts. (not sure if this is entirely correct its off the top of my head, jug fans let me know if i am right)
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: skorpx1 on September 13, 2013, 03:46:29 PM
MOAR P47!!!!



+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Zacherof on September 13, 2013, 04:36:50 PM
Of course it had a bird cage canopy.  Do you think they went from bubble canopy, took the effort to design and build a bird cage canopy for some reason and then went back to a bubble canopy?
it was a small joke between me and my CO. I rarely fly the D-11 for the simple fact of the cockpit setup.

And I already she's a great plane.
One of the biggest differences was the standardization of water injection into the intake manifold to produce more prolonged combat power of 2,300hp at 27,000 ft. A C-5 does 420mph and D-11 was a little faster at 433mph.
Also additional armor production for the pilot, fuel and oxygen system upgrades and the exhaust ducting was improved for reliability and performance.

Paddle-bladed airscrews were fitted as well.

Its really about a marginal performance difference between the two at high alts. (not sure if this is entirely correct its off the top of my head, jug fans let me know if i am right)
but it it more maneuverable?
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Butcher on September 13, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
it was a small joke between me and my CO. I rarely fly the D-11 for the simple fact of the cockpit setup.

And I already she's a great plane.  but it it more maneuverable?


Its almost the same performance as each other except for above 20k where the D-11 was 13mph faster.
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Megalodon on September 13, 2013, 05:09:28 PM
The addition of this AC would fill a small but very significant gap in spring/summer of 1943.  The modeling wouldn't be difficult as it is so similar to the D11, the workload on HTC and the ambitious skin makers would be low.  

The time period this AC served was important and many potential events would benefit from the inclusion of the AC.  I may even get my Bob Johnson skin - "Lucky" :aok

For your consideration.

Respectfully submitted,

Ammo  :salute

+1

 "Lucky" was a D-5 you could have that on the D-11.. I think.....but I don't think you'll get it past the filter  ..maybe<G>
I think you mean "Half Pint" a C-2
(http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/56g/halfpint.jpg)

 :salute
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: skorpx1 on September 13, 2013, 05:09:46 PM
Its almost the same performance as each other except for above 20k where the D-11 was 13mph faster.

Honestly the only real difference that will matter when it comes to in-game performance is the speed. Turning and diving are close to the same, if not exactly the same.
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: bangsbox on September 13, 2013, 05:31:06 PM
Nope...waste of time.
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Plazus on September 13, 2013, 05:31:28 PM
How about a Malcolm Hood P47?
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Butcher on September 13, 2013, 05:55:04 PM
How about a Malcolm Hood P47?

I am not a fan of the bird cage, but I would love a P-47D-6 with a malcolm hood given it was an earlier design then the D-25 (ours Is 30 eny right?)

It would be a perk machine D:
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Tracerfi on September 13, 2013, 05:58:01 PM
Nope...waste of time.
:bhead
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: bustr on September 13, 2013, 06:50:31 PM
If this is going to happen can the cockpit and gunsight be rendered properly this time?

The Mk8 gunsight did not become standard equipment for P47 until October 1943 with the P47 D20 series. Before that the P51, P47, and as many P40 as possible were modified at the air depots in England with the Barr & Stroud GM MKII like we have in our Hurri and spit16. This was due to the American N-3B was only good for straffing and dropping bombs due to it projected first a 30Mil ring, then upgraded to a 70Mil ring in 1943. It was useless for air to air combat. As seen by the NAVY upgrading to the Mk8 in 1941 as it's standard gunsight.

A 100Mil ring was needed to lead for high speed combat. After the K14 became the standard gunsight, pilots found when they had to use the 70Mil fixed reticle they couldn't hit anything during air to air combat.

The following pictures will speak for themselves. By the way, from what I can tell all 56th FG P47 until the Mk8 then K14 were outfitted with MkII. Also the windscreen area in our razorback is way to big. The armored glass way too tall, wide and rectangular, with the roof way too wide and flat if you look at the first to pictures. The only change was later razorback versions got rid of the vent window. The tiny size did not change in the windscreen with the razorback.

You can see from the first photo that the gunsight was only just to the side of the center bar to clear it. While fitting inside of the armored glass frame. Our D11 gunsight is about 5+- inches to far away from it's ring sight. The first cockpit photo is oriented slightly from the right. At the most the ring sight and the left edge of the Mk8 glass is 1 inch apart. Dead on the glass of the Mk8 will just fit between the windscreen center bar and the right hand frame bar for the armored glass. The ring sight will just touch the left side of the windscreen center bar with it's right side. It should be about as claustrophobic as the forward view on our new C.205.

MkII\Mk8 Round Glass - 76mm diameter 2.99inch
MkIIs Square Glass - 114mm x 114mm 4.48 inch
Iron Ring - 2 1\4 inch diameter

(http://imageshack.us/a/img545/1589/4hzu.jpg)

The glass in the Mk8 below is 16mm smaller than 76mm on my 24 inch monitor. The photo is almost to scale.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img837/5393/xunr.png)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img812/3577/7tk8.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img580/9348/w2m1.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img51/6509/nyt7.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img827/3276/gaxc.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img838/852/8sa3.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img29/2649/2j65.jpg)

Note how the "Iron Ring" has been stenciled to the armored glass below.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img585/4962/zlls.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img28/9130/w82x.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img33/1954/uh2d.jpg)
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: ReVo on September 14, 2013, 10:42:05 AM
I personally would rather see the F6F-3 added to the game before another P47 variant.
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Karnak on September 14, 2013, 10:50:50 AM
P-47s currently have the densest coverage of any plane model in AH.  The Bf109 and Spitfire have more models, but they cover a much longer time frame.
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Shifty on September 14, 2013, 10:55:58 AM
Of course it had a bird cage canopy.  Do you think they went from bubble canopy, took the effort to design and build a bird cage canopy for some reason and then went back to a bubble canopy?

Why yes... Yes he does.  :lol
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: -ammo- on September 14, 2013, 11:13:57 AM
+1

 "Lucky" was a D-5 you could have that on the D-11.. I think.....but I don't think you'll get it past the filter  ..maybe<G>
I think you mean "Half Pint" a C-2
(http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/56g/halfpint.jpg)

 :salute

You are correct!   Thanks for keeping it straight.  You gotta admit though, the "lucky" nose art would be a hit with the AH P-47 followers.
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Karnak on September 14, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
YearBf109P-47Spitfire
1940Bf109E-4Spitfire Mk I
1941Bf109F-4Spitfire Mk V
1942Bf109G-2Seafire Mk II, Spitfire IX
1943Bf109G-6P-47D-11Spitfire Mk VIII
1944Bf109G-14, Bf109K-4P-47D-25, P-47D-40Spitfire Mk XIV, Spitfire Mk XVI
1945P-47M, P-47N
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: Hajo on September 14, 2013, 07:32:02 PM
C Model top speeds are listed slightly faster then the D models.  C- 433 mph        D - 429

If we get a C they would have to have white Cowl Bands on them as they were marked early war that way
so as not to be confused with 190s'.
Title: Re: P-47C5
Post by: bozon on September 15, 2013, 12:11:20 PM
C-5 would be too similar to the D11. Basically a D11 without WEP and no aux tank (?). The aux tank is tiny and the WEP is the least effective of all Jugs, especially without the paddle blade prop to make the most of it, so D11 is a fine stand-in for scenarios and events.

The most significant model we are missing in the Jug line is the D-23: a Razorback with a paddle blade prop and wing mounts. This is more representative of a typical 1944 razorback than even our D11 since almost all earlier D's were retrofitted with the paddle blade prop and wing mounts. Retrofitted Razorbacks continued in service along side the later bubbletop D models.