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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: earl1937 on September 21, 2013, 08:06:16 AM
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:airplane: An open wish to Hi Tech! Without question, this is the best flight sim game on line, but, we need your help! It happened again last night! I had a mission posted from an aircraft carrier, with 31 players in the mish. Just as soon as the mish launched, some idiot turned the boat! Of course, all kinds of crashes and confusion prevailed! There is no excuse for this, as you, sir, have the authority to correct something which is totally uncalled for. IF A PERSON POST'S A MISSION FROM A CV, FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE MISSION IS POSTED, NO ONE, NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THAT CV UNTIL AFTER THE MISSION LAUNCHES, EXCEPT THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE MISSION, IN CASE IT HAD TO BE TURNED DUE TO AN ATTACK, THEN HE COULD DELAY THE TAKEOFF OF THE MISSION!! We are only talking about a 10 or 12 minute period of time which the CV is tied up, launching the mission. I don't want hear any of this BS about the lowest ranked pilot being able to control the boat during a posted mission, because that doesn't fly!! We are not talking about tieing up the boat for 20 or 30 minutes, just the time in which the mission is posted! :bhead
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Locking the CV on a straight course for a period of time for a mission to take off can be
inviting trouble. 'Only' a 10 to 12 minute time-frame can very well get your carrier and
cruiser, for that matter, sunk. Also, think of the potential mission-griefer. Just one guy
setting up a mission, cancelling the mission, setting it up again could prevent a CV from
changing course indefinitely.
VF-17 operates off CVs quite a bit. Waiting for a CV to stop turning is just another mild
inconvenience.
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or learn how to take off from a turning cv :neener:
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I've seen this happen, but never when someone had command and put out on country that a mission was using the cv.
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:airplane: An open wish to Hi Tech! Without question, this is the best flight sim game on line, but, we need your help! It happened again last night! I had a mission posted from an aircraft carrier, with 31 players in the mish. Just as soon as the mish launched, some idiot turned the boat! Of course, all kinds of crashes and confusion prevailed! There is no excuse for this, as you, sir, have the authority to correct something which is totally uncalled for. IF A PERSON POST'S A MISSION FROM A CV, FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE MISSION IS POSTED, NO ONE, NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THAT CV UNTIL AFTER THE MISSION LAUNCHES, EXCEPT THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE MISSION, IN CASE IT HAD TO BE TURNED DUE TO AN ATTACK, THEN HE COULD DELAY THE TAKEOFF OF THE MISSION!! We are only talking about a 10 or 12 minute period of time which the CV is tied up, launching the mission. I don't want hear any of this BS about the lowest ranked pilot being able to control the boat during a posted mission, because that doesn't fly!! We are not talking about tieing up the boat for 20 or 30 minutes, just the time in which the mission is posted! :bhead
First, learn to take off from a turning CV. It's not that tough to do.
Second with the new text message posted each time someone turns a CV it is easy to figure out who turned it. Knowing this info can be great in "griefing" the person back ....for the rest of the night or until he logs :devil
Third, having the ability to lock the CV on course can and WILL be used by other players to sink CVs.
Forth, another option is to have the highest ranking person in your mission to take control of the CV group. This would cut down the odds of someone coming in and turning it for laughs as you launch.
There are more down sides to your wish than the one up.
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First, learn to take off from a turning CV. It's not that tough to do.
Second with the new text message posted each time someone turns a CV it is easy to figure out who turned it. Knowing this info can be great in "griefing" the person back ....for the rest of the night or until he logs :devil
Third, having the ability to lock the CV on course can and WILL be used by other players to sink CVs.
Forth, another option is to have the highest ranking person in your mission to take control of the CV group. This would cut down the odds of someone coming in and turning it for laughs as you launch.
There are more down sides to your wish than the one up.
:neener: You guys just crack me up! How many of you can takeoff when inside someone else aircraft, also trying to takeoff. Of course, these responses to the post is about what I expected. You are not really interested in improving the game, just lam blast anyone else who does want to improve the game. How about this, "for the 3 minutes prior to launch, no one else can take control of boat until after launch of mission? And yes, I take off from carriers quite a few times with the boat turning!!
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:neener: You guys just crack me up! How many of you can takeoff when inside someone else aircraft, also trying to takeoff.
F3. That's why it's there
Of course, these responses to the post is about what I expected. You are not really interested in improving the game, just lam blast anyone else who does want to improve the game. How about this, "for the 3 minutes prior to launch, no one else can take control of boat until after launch of mission?
I only lambaste ideas that are being posted from a very limited point of view without taking account the further implications of it beyond the very small point they try to "fix". Just like this one. :P
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You are not really interested in improving the game ...
No, Earl. I understand your frustration but improving the game entails
more than just implementing a 'fix' without taking the possible consequences
into consideration. We are discussing those potential consequences with you.
Taking umbrage ends such a discussion, entirely. If you have suggestions that
address our concerns in a productive way and would be practical to implement
then here is your opportunity to provide them.
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:neener: You guys just crack me up! How many of you can takeoff when inside someone else aircraft, also trying to takeoff. Of course, these responses to the post is about what I expected. You are not really interested in improving the game, just lam blast anyone else who does want to improve the game. How about this, "for the 3 minutes prior to launch, no one else can take control of boat until after launch of mission? And yes, I take off from carriers quite a few times with the boat turning!!
Sticking to your narrow point of view is more of a problem than the "suggestions" I posted. Lusche posted a very good reply.
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F3. That's why it's there
I only lambaste ideas that are being posted from a very limited point of view without taking account the further implications of it beyond the very small point they try to "fix". Just like this one. :P
:banana: I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!
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:banana: I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!
Earl, Sir, you are letting this game get to you. Your wish/suggestions are not as helpful as you think they are, at least the two I have responded to. You are not taking it well when someone has a differing opinion. This is and always will be a computer game and will never, nor should it ever be expected to be, a simulation of real life. There are facets of a game, such as launching from a turning carrier, which a player must deal with. Do you want to see whines? Join an FSO or scenario where the carrier is turned for what ever reason on launch.
Like your wish to get rid of an aircraft you personally do not care about for one you might like, this wish is narrow minded and only suffices to "fix" something you "personally" do not like about it. You should not prepare a naval mission if you can not control the cv or find a scorewhur who will take command for you. That is the fix to your problem, I am sorry you do not like it, but it really is as simple as that. The other posters gave you remedies while enjoying themselves a small bit at your naivete, but they were being nice by comparison to many others who use these boards. Respect and understanding go a long way. You seem to have earned many persons' respect in game, but on the boards, you are starting to lose some by posts like these. Just my opinion, no one elses.
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:banana: I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!
What's it with this 'you guys' thing? I take off in the cockpit, too.
If it's total realism you want then the CV would have to turn into the wind for
both landings and take-offs, your plane would be spotted on the deck beforehand,
you all would take off in order. Regrettably, 2 of 3 is not practical in AHII. The
game allows players to spawn at will and doesn't require 'wind over the deck' for
take-off. If you want to mimic realism for a mission off a CV then take off in called
order and have someone on the bridge to alert for a turning ship to suspend take-
offs, if necessary.
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:banana: I don't use F3 or F8, I stay where I belong, in the pilots seat! Of course you guys want to insist on making this a "arcade" game. Since when did you ever see a CV commander turn his boat while launching a mission? Its is not done in real life and shouldn't be done in here. As for as posting in country text buffer, Mission posted, no one is supposed to be able to see it but the guys in my country! Are you saying someone is cheating by reading my countries Text buffer? Shame on you, you know no one cheats in here!
Once more are totally ignoring the real objections that had been raised and explained to you. Instead discussing the problems rationally and dealing with the arguments given, you are trying to turn this thing into some personal EGO stuff by using mere presumptions.
And that you refuse to use the tools made available to exactly for this very reason is your own problem. Don't try to fix your self imposed restrictions by introducing game mechanisms with severe drawbacks.
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Earl, Sir, you are letting this game get to you. Your wish/suggestions are not as helpful as you think they are, at least the two I have responded to. You are not taking it well when someone has a differing opinion. This is and always will be a computer game and will never, nor should it ever be expected to be, a simulation of real life. There are facets of a game, such as launching from a turning carrier, which a player must deal with. Do you want to see whines? Join an FSO or scenario where the carrier is turned for what ever reason on launch.
Like your wish to get rid of an aircraft you personally do not care about for one you might like, this wish is narrow minded and only suffices to "fix" something you "personally" do not like about it. You should not prepare a naval mission if you can not control the cv or find a scorewhur who will take command for you. That is the fix to your problem, I am sorry you do not like it, but it really is as simple as that. The other posters gave you remedies while enjoying themselves a small bit at your naivete, but they were being nice by comparison to many others who use these boards. Respect and understanding go a long way. You seem to have earned many persons' respect in game, but on the boards, you are starting to lose some by posts like these. Just my opinion, no one elses.
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:airplane: I don't see where fixing a problem,(CV launches with posted missions), should be a problem for anyone. BTW, this wish is not just my point of view, as plenty of players in the game have complained about the same thing before.
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Sticking to your narrow point of view is more of a problem than the "suggestions" I posted. Lusche posted a very good reply.
Earl has done more with pickup missions than anyone else I Know or know of. I was on that mission. I got off but I was lucky. Those of you that have negative comments don't have a clue what happened.
Earl takes a big group that have rarely flown together, molds them into a pickup mission in just a few minutes. He does that with with understanding for the newbie as well as the veteran. If you blow your assignment, "That's okay buddy." he might say.
Learn to take off on a Hard turning CV with full load out can be done but do that with 30 planes taking off, you guys just don't know.
A big +1 Earl.
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:airplane: I don't see where fixing a problem,(CV launches with posted missions), should be a problem for anyone.
The biggest problem has already been posted: someone creating a "mission" to hold the CV straight while it is killed. This will happen, and it will happen more than legitimate missions are launched off CVs. Besides how something might improve one aspect of the game, you must consider how a change will be used to the detriment of the game. There are many more gamers and griefers than there are people looking for an accurate simulation.
Regards,
Hammer
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or learn how to take off from a turning cv :neener:
The heavier the plane the awesome the challenge
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The heavier the plane the awesome the challenge
yep, and if the people in your horde mission aren't up to the challenge, equip them lighter..
that's besides the point anyway, as has been pointed out, being able to lock the cv course would be used by griefers... just keep posting missions and never launch them so the cv course could be tied up indefinitely.
there already is a system in place if you absolutely must have control of the cv course. the score/rank system.
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yep, and if the people in your horde mission aren't up to the challenge, equip them lighter..
that's besides the point anyway, as has been pointed out, being able to lock the cv course would be used by griefers... just keep posting missions and never launch them so the cv course could be tied up indefinitely.
there already is a system in place if you absolutely must have control of the cv course. the score/rank system.
funny thing is people don't realize the seek only uses half the cv to take off :rofl
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Those of you that have negative comments don't have a clue what happened.
Actually, I'm pretty sure we do. I like Earl, as well, but carrier turnings during take-offs
are just a part of Aces High. Better to have your CV turn at a moment's notice when
necessary than have someone play mission commander with it and hold it straight
indefinitely by just loading a mission over and over (yes, Randy, someone would).
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ummmm, hmmm. :confused:
Trying to get powers that be attention(s) with all capitalized (letters) statements prolly aint going to get the type of attention you're looking for...jus sayin.
Why do you think someone turned the cv as your mission was trying to take off? Were they messing with you?
Cvs actually take several moments to respond to the change in course and you can see in the text buffer who just changed it and anticipate when its going to start moving. While you are on the runway F3 mode is available, it's not to make the game arcade like, it's to give a fair opportunity to take off...some safety from vulching, wirbs at end of runway, eny cv fire landing on your deck...see?
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Flaps all the way down, full power, wep and that big thing on the back of your plane, the r-u-dd-er.
Seriously, while I have had the newbie moments on crashing on takeoffs... this would be seriously abused as others have said. IF earl can't figure this out, then I"m afraid he isn't too smart. Plain and simple.
-1 to the wish for being abused and keeping cvs in a straight line. I've seen missions where the cv has been destroyed right when the mission was taking off, and some lucky guy got a whole bunch of kills.
However, this wish speaks volumes to me.
While I understand where you are coming from Earl. How hard is it to take control of the cv (or have a trusted squaddie or mission go-er take control with a high score) and keep it straight about 1 minute before the mission launches?
Everything else has already been said that needs to be, I won't further re-elaborate on things that have already been stated. :bhead
Tinkles
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I think Earl's plenty smart and he's got some life experiences under his belt I surely envy.
I just think he's still getting his Aces High 'sea legs.'
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:airplane: I don't see where fixing a problem,(CV launches with posted missions), should be a problem for anyone. BTW, this wish is not just my point of view, as plenty of players in the game have complained about the same thing before.
The problem is that your way will be abused. The second problem is you refuse to see that.
Earl has done more with pickup missions than anyone else I Know or know of. I was on that mission. I got off but I was lucky. Those of you that have negative comments don't have a clue what happened.
Earl takes a big group that have rarely flown together, molds them into a pickup mission in just a few minutes. He does that with with understanding for the newbie as well as the veteran. If you blow your assignment, "That's okay buddy." he might say.
Learn to take off on a Hard turning CV with full load out can be done but do that with 30 planes taking off, you guys just don't know.
A big +1 Earl.
...and you have been here .....how long? I've run more pick up missions than Earl has run and I haven't run one in years.
We know what happened even if we weren't there. Why? Because we have seen it happen....some of us hundreds of times in the almost 11 years I've been in this game. WE DO KNOW!
I appreciate that Earl puts up missions and I've even tagged along behind a few. The problem is he is a bit blind on this issue.
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:airplane: An open wish to Hi Tech! Without question, this is the best flight sim game on line, but, we need your help! It happened again last night! I had a mission posted from an aircraft carrier, with 31 players in the mish. Just as soon as the mish launched, some idiot turned the boat! Of course, all kinds of crashes and confusion prevailed! There is no excuse for this, as you, sir, have the authority to correct something which is totally uncalled for. IF A PERSON POST'S A MISSION FROM A CV, FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE MISSION IS POSTED, NO ONE, NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE CONTROL OF THAT CV UNTIL AFTER THE MISSION LAUNCHES, EXCEPT THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE MISSION, IN CASE IT HAD TO BE TURNED DUE TO AN ATTACK, THEN HE COULD DELAY THE TAKEOFF OF THE MISSION!! We are only talking about a 10 or 12 minute period of time which the CV is tied up, launching the mission. I don't want hear any of this BS about the lowest ranked pilot being able to control the boat during a posted mission, because that doesn't fly!! We are not talking about tieing up the boat for 20 or 30 minutes, just the time in which the mission is posted! :bhead
You / your mission doesn't own the CV
Other players (with the required rank) are perfectly entitled to use it as well
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What if? (cause I don't know :D )
What if a Mission had the option to BUY control of a CV with perk points for ~3 minutes.
Make the cost high enough to thwart single players, but reasonable for a mission. All mission participants share in the perk payment (at least everyone who has perks to contribute).
If the CV gets sunk during those 3 mins you lose the points. If not, no sweat.
No one, no matter what the rank, can override a "paid-for" CV.
After the 3 minutes control reverts to the previous owner.
Missions could stll choose to launch without buying control, but then might be subject to a turning CV.
This option might be worth considering, but what the heck do I know -- :)
Best
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HAHAHAHA.
That is all.
PS: What coombz said
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granting this wish http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,352451.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,352451.0.html) would cure that
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IF earl can't figure this out, then I"m afraid he isn't too smart. Plain and simple.
Tinkles
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Uncalled for but then you named yourself after a urinary function. :rofl
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You / your mission doesn't own the CV
Other players (with the required rank) are perfectly entitled to use it as well
:bhead OK, guys, I finally get it! This is not a game of precision and skill when it comes to launching missions off the CV, it is just a game of chance and luck! You take a chance when you post the mission and then you depend on luck that some nitwit doesn't come along and turn the boat just to screw up your planned mission!
And "Tinkles", when you get more flight hours than I do in real aircraft and every instructor certificate which the FAA issues, and type ratings in DC-3, C-46, DC-4, DC-6B and 954 hours in the B-29C, then you will have the right to judge where or not I am "stupid"! Until then, you really need to keep your fly trap shut! :devil
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:lol
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And "Tinkles", when you get more flight hours than I do in real aircraft and every instructor certificate which the FAA issues, and type ratings in DC-3, C-46, DC-4, DC-6B and 954 hours in the B-29C,
How the hell does somebody from Oglethorpe, Georgia get 954 hrs in a B-29C?
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How the hell does somebody from Oglethorpe, Georgia get 954 hrs in a B-29C?
:airplane: You serve your country in the USAF like I did in the 50's!
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:airplane: You serve your country in the USAF like I did in the 50's!
WTG... thank you for your service sir!!!!
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:bhead OK, guys, I finally get it! This is not a game of precision and skill when it comes to launching missions off the CV, it is just a game of chance and luck! You take a chance when you post the mission and then you depend on luck that some nitwit doesn't come along and turn the boat just to screw up your planned mission!
And "Tinkles", when you get more flight hours than I do in real aircraft and every instructor certificate which the FAA issues, and type ratings in DC-3, C-46, DC-4, DC-6B and 954 hours in the B-29C, then you will have the right to judge where or not I am "stupid"! Until then, you really need to keep your fly trap shut! :devil
you have a horrible, selfish attitude
all we can judge your inteligence on is your words and attempts at debating your point, your history flying real aircraft seems pretty irrelevant to me and it is fairly typical of you to bring it up to support your argument when sense and logic have failed you
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you have a horrible, selfish attitude
all we can judge your inteligence on is your words and attempts at debating your point, your history flying real aircraft seems pretty irrelevant to me and it is fairly typical of you to bring it up to support your argument when sense and logic have failed you
again... +1 coombz completely true
earl when you post a wish expect it to be criticized like any other wish. Learn to accept it for what it is, we're not gonna bend over backwords cuz some noobs can't roll off a CV, if we had to learn how to use our rudder surely they can too :rolleyes:
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you have a horrible, selfish attitude
all we can judge your inteligence on is your words and attempts at debating your point, your history flying real aircraft seems pretty irrelevant to me and it is fairly typical of you to bring it up to support your argument when sense and logic have failed you
:airplane: OK, so it is logical to turn the boat when launching a mission! Good thinking!! :headscratch:
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:airplane: OK, so it is logical to turn the boat when launching a mission! Good thinking!! :headscratch:
Is it logical to lock up the boat when bombers are ib to sink it (or torpedoes already in the water), with NO ONE being able to turn it?
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you have a horrible, selfish attitude
all we can judge your inteligence on is your words and attempts at debating your point, your history flying real aircraft seems pretty irrelevant to me and it is fairly typical of you to bring it up to support your argument when sense and logic have failed you
Have any of you flown on Earl's mission? Selfish? Hell no!
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:airplane: OK, so it is logical to turn the boat when launching a mission! Good thinking!! :headscratch:
Logical? no, a childish trick done by a child ? yes.
Have any of you flown on Earl's mission? Selfish? Hell no!
yes.
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earl, perhaps you should have posted in the right forum. here you go
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,352485.50.html
semp
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:airplane: OK, so it is logical to turn the boat when launching a mission! Good thinking!! :headscratch:
I believe you may have this one thing backwards, Earl. You might should be asking yourself
if it's logical to launch a mission while the boat is turning. Bad thinking. :salute :cheers:
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:bhead OK, guys, I finally get it! This is not a game of precision and skill when it comes to launching missions off the CV, it is just a game of chance and luck! You take a chance when you post the mission and then you depend on luck that some nitwit doesn't come along and turn the boat just to screw up your planned mission!
not really, just get a better rank the other nitwit, rank is quite easy to get.
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:bhead OK, guys, I finally get it! This is not a game of precision and skill when it comes to launching missions off the CV, it is just a game of chance and luck! You take a chance when you post the mission and then you depend on luck that some nitwit doesn't come along and turn the boat just to screw up your planned mission!
And "Tinkles", when you get more flight hours than I do in real aircraft and every instructor certificate which the FAA issues, and type ratings in DC-3, C-46, DC-4, DC-6B and 954 hours in the B-29C, then you will have the right to judge where or not I am "stupid"! Until then, you really need to keep your fly trap shut! :devil
My apologies sir for the insult. Wasn't in a good mood when I posted that.
<<S>> and thank you for your service.
Tinkles
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:airplane: OK, so it is logical to turn the boat when launching a mission! Good thinking!! :headscratch:
it's illogical to ignore the numerous posts from people pointing out why your idea is flawed, while continuing repeating the same thing over and over again (and making the same thread multiple times)
is that something they taught you in the USAF? to just keep jumping up and down and shouting that something is not fair until you get your way? :headscratch:
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I believe you may have this one thing backwards, Earl. You might should be asking yourself
if it's logical to launch a mission while the boat is turning. Bad thinking. :salute :cheers:
The launch and the hard turn by the CV happened at the same instant. No time to stop the mission or the turn.
Now on holding the CV straight for the launch. According to y'all then CVs launching planes in WW2 would turn violently during mission launch because that would be too risky for the CV? I did not know that. I thought they turned into the wind.
How many missions do you run Arlo in a session in the MA? What about you Fugitive?
Earl runs several in a session. Sometimes they are NOEs, sometimes CV launches, sometimes Bomber and heavy fighter missions. Sometimes B29 missions. Even a GV mission.
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.... According to y'all then CVs launching planes in WW2 would turn violently during mission launch because that would be too risky for the CV?
No one has said a carrier turning during launch was realistic. The argument against Earl's idea is a game consideration. Any idea needs to be looked at from a minimum of 2 perspectives: 1) Will it improve the game? and 2) Can it be abused?
Clearly Earl's idea has merit from the mission launch perspective. It would undoubtedly be frustrating to have a mission launch disrupted in this way so, from the "will it improve the game" perspective, this idea is a winner.
As has already been pointed out in this thread, Earl's idea can easily be abused to hold the CV group straight while buffs come in to kill it so, from the "can it be abused" perspective, it is a loser.
At this point, the question becomes whether the benefits outweigh the risks. This is the first time I can remember seeing this brought up as an issue in 13 years in the game. OTOH, based on what I've seen from the player base in the game, it will be abused each and every day in order to kill one or more CVs. To my (and, it appears, most others who have replied in this thread) way of thinking, the negatives far outweigh the positives and so we don't support it. That, in a nutshell, is the crux of the opposition to this idea.
Regards,
Hammer
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While I understand what Earl is coming from (as I've seen squads take command of CV's to do missions only to see some jerkwad with a lower rank for no reason turns the boat to crash everyone).
Rank is rather simple to get, however not everyone can invest in time to get that rank to beat a jerk who happens to play a few hours more.
But the rank system is flawed enough anyone can cheat the system without having to do any real work.
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The launch and the hard turn by the CV happened at the same instant. No time to stop the mission or the turn.
just because you spawned on the deck, you must go instantly?
you know, if you pull the throttle all the way back, the airplane wont go. it will sit still and wait.
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The launch and the hard turn by the CV happened at the same instant. No time to stop the mission or the turn.
Now on holding the CV straight for the launch. According to y'all then CVs launching planes in WW2 would turn violently during mission launch because that would be too risky for the CV? I did not know that. I thought they turned into the wind.
How many missions do you run Arlo in a session in the MA? What about you Fugitive?
Earl runs several in a session. Sometimes they are NOEs, sometimes CV launches, sometimes Bomber and heavy fighter missions. Sometimes B29 missions. Even a GV mission.
Wow, holy midway fanboydom! The number of missions earl runs and this wish have nothing to do with one another dude. Both you and he seem to be stuck on some fantasyVreality loop. Using the logic you are trying to use as your argument above, then, according to you, launching a mission in real life had tens of planes stacked up on top of one another after miraculously appearing at a given start time and no one was hurt and everyone lifted into the clear blue sky within a matter of seconds. Dial it back, no one is putting earl down, just expressing their own opinions about his wish. If you really want "realism" then you would need hours to form your missions up to start with. Just because the two of you have decided to close your minds regarding the consequences of implementing his wish, doesn't mean your mission planning pilot hero is being snubbed. We all put blinders on at times, and we eventually will just have to deal with the fact other people thought differently. This idea would not have been supported no matter who made the wish, not without some manner built in that prevented the abuse of the feature, which would far outweigh the inconvenience of you having to pause a minute before jamming your throttle to the firewall. The issue you guys had was preventable, and you can launch your next mission having learned how to do so in this game successfully without having to alter any current game play elements. Your problem is fixed, celebrate dude! :cheers:
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Wow, holy midway fanboydom! The number of missions earl runs and this wish have nothing to do with one another dude. Both you and he seem to be stuck on some fantasyVreality loop. Using the logic you are trying to use as your argument above, then, according to you, launching a mission in real life had tens of planes stacked up on top of one another after miraculously appearing at a given start time and no one was hurt and everyone lifted into the clear blue sky within a matter of seconds. Dial it back, no one is putting earl down, just expressing their own opinions about his wish. If you really want "realism" then you would need hours to form your missions up to start with. Just because the two of you have decided to close your minds regarding the consequences of implementing his wish, doesn't mean your mission planning pilot hero is being snubbed. We all put blinders on at times, and we eventually will just have to deal with the fact other people thought differently. This idea would not have been supported no matter who made the wish, not without some manner built in that prevented the abuse of the feature, which would far outweigh the inconvenience of you having to pause a minute before jamming your throttle to the firewall. The issue you guys had was preventable, and you can launch your next mission having learned how to do so in this game successfully without having to alter any current game play elements. Your problem is fixed, celebrate dude! :cheers:
:airplane: Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions, when I want to use carrier based aircraft in an attack, we just use the Marine aircraft stationed in all the hangars"! LOL
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just because you spawned on the deck, you must go instantly?
you know, if you pull the throttle all the way back, the airplane wont go. it will sit still and wait.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about regarding this particular incident. You can't tell the boat is turning. You have 30+ planes that have spawned on the deck at exactly the same time sitting on top of each other. The CV is running straight. The launch is given. The planes are not in a pretty nice line. You throw the throttle to it with the only view you have is of thirty of planes. By the time your view clears, and you see the CV taking a hard right turn the odds of making it off the deck are say 50-50. It is too late to throttle back.
The wish is simple guys. Give the command of the CV to the mission creator for the duration of the launch which is what five minutes max. That is well with in the simulation of a WW2 launch.
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The wish is simple guys. Give the command of the CV to the mission creator for the duration of the launch which is what five minutes max. That is well with in the simulation of a WW2 launch.
And our objections are simple, too. A bomber moving at 250 mph will cover nearly 21 miles in 5 minutes - 4/5 of a sector. A bomber moving at 200 mph will cover almost 17 miles - 2/3 of a sector. That is more than enough time to line up a formation and take out the carrier and there is nothing anyone can do about it because someone switched sides and set up a mission to keep the group moving in a straight line. This will happen far more frequently than someone launching a mission from a CV, much less turning the CV during mission launch.
While I suspect all of us understand and acknowledge the wish, ignoring the reasoning for the objections. While the basic objection has been stated in several different ways, there has been no attempt to address it or even acknowledge that the objections are based on anything other than a lack of understanding of the situation. Again, fully understand the wish, but your cure is worse than the disease!
Regards,
Hammer
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F3. That's why it's there
I only lambaste ideas that are being posted from a very limited point of view without taking account the further implications of it beyond the very small point they try to "fix". Just like this one. :P
Does auto take off enable a plane to take off from a turning CV? :headscratch:
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Does auto take off enable a plane to take off from a turning CV? :headscratch:
yup, and you don't realize it's turning or how extreme it is turning while you're in hangar.
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yup, and you don't realize it's turning or how extreme it is turning while you're in hangar.
:airplane: Wish you were correct, but, you are not! If the boat is turning and you have auto-takeoff engaged, aircraft will try to stay on the heading it was on when it spawned out and with the boat turning, first thing that happens, you run off the side of the carrier!
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:airplane: Wish you were correct, but, you are not! If the boat is turning and you have auto-takeoff engaged, aircraft will try to stay on the heading it was on when it spawned out and with the boat turning, first thing that happens, you run off the side of the carrier!
sorry Earl, read the question and the reply again. nobody said anything about direction or heading.
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The launch and the hard turn by the CV happened at the same instant. No time to stop the mission or the turn.
Now on holding the CV straight for the launch. According to y'all then CVs launching planes in WW2 would turn violently during mission launch because that would be too risky for the CV? I did not know that. I thought they turned into the wind.
How many missions do you run Arlo in a session in the MA? What about you Fugitive?
Earl runs several in a session. Sometimes they are NOEs, sometimes CV launches, sometimes Bomber and heavy fighter missions. Sometimes B29 missions. Even a GV mission.
Easy on the hissy.
Do I run currently or have I run? Enough to know this is not a crisis or even close. Enough to know what's being suggested is the medicine that would kill the patient (over a pimple).
Like I said in an earlier post. Assign someone to watch for turns (in VF-17 we all naturally do). Someone can also pay attention to the clipboard map to watch for upcoming way-point changes or someone making course changes to either protect the CV if an inbound looks close on the radar or to move it closer to an enemy base for a capture. A mission has the resource built-in to overcome anything as minor as what you're screaming about - more than one player. Eyes.
p.s. If you read my posts you would see my referencing turning into the wind and if you think about it, you will realize why that's not a practical option for AHII game play. Hell ... the start of a 'mission' may well have involved turning into the wind if that was coded. That's right, the mission clock starts and ... CV turns. And you're not going to land (successfully) until the ship turns back into the wind (and maybe the mission clock with do that 'for' you, as well). If you're gonna be confused about what we are saying you may ought to start with your confusion over what you are really asking for. Be careful for that. :aok
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sorry Earl, read the question and the reply again. nobody said anything about direction or heading.
:airplane: His question is pretty clear: "can you take off with auto takeoff when the boat is turning and the answer is no". If you spawn out onto the deck, with auto takeoff engaged in options, even if the boat is turning and then stops turning, as soon as you apply throttle, the aircraft will try to return to the heading at which it was on when it spawned out on the deck. The way you answer him was that you could takeoff from a turning carrier by engaging auto takeoff.
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:airplane: Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions, when I want to use carrier based aircraft in an attack, we just use the Marine aircraft stationed in all the hangars"! LOL
That's what you figured out of this, Earl? I am disappointed, sir.
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:airplane: His question is pretty clear: "can you take off with auto takeoff when the boat is turning and the answer is no". If you spawn out onto the deck, with auto takeoff engaged in options, even if the boat is turning and then stops turning, as soon as you apply throttle, the aircraft will try to return to the heading at which it was on when it spawned out on the deck. The way you answer him was that you could takeoff from a turning carrier by engaging auto takeoff.
*correction* you can try to take off using auto takeoff. i've lost a butt load of airplanes using auto takeoff on turning cv's. and on the flip side, i've let planes sit on the deck at the spawn point with the throttle at idle and auto takeoff still engaged, then took off successfully without having to do anything to adjust course once the cv stopped turning.
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:airplane: Wish you were correct, but, you are not! If the boat is turning and you have auto-takeoff engaged, aircraft will try to stay on the heading it was on when it spawned out and with the boat turning, first thing that happens, you run off the side of the carrier!
Not unless you throttle up. Turn the engine off, for good measure. Situational awareness for carrier ops starts on the deck.
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Can someone please explain to me what the hell is going on?
:headscratch:
I would like a Bf 109-T so I can understand what everyone is talking about :furious
That is all.
Carry on. :salute
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:airplane: Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions
That's what you figured out of this, Earl? I am disappointed, sir.
indeed
it's funny, we're currently trying to teach our 2 year old not to act like that...
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indeed
it's funny, we're currently trying to teach our 2 year old not to act like that...
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Oh, I wish you the best. :)
However, Earl isn't 2. He's a gentleman who has experienced the amazing and the cruel.
He is now one of us bringing with him a wealth of experience I appreciate. I appreciate
it enough to bring him up to speed on this game and community (as best I can, given
the fact that nobody is ever fully up to speed about all the nuances of the game).
I actually appreciate his eagerness to take charge and the enjoyment he gets from the game
in spite of some suggestions made that don't quite take all the ramifications into consideration.
In that he's no different than the majority of players in their first year or two (or five) in the game.
A bit over-exuberant, perhaps. A bit touchy over differences of opinion.
I'm glad he's here and I hope he reconsiders his decision to shy away from running missions
off of CVs. I will do whatever I can to help him. :salute :cheers:
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How many missions do you run Arlo in a session in the MA? What about you Fugitive?
Do you even read replies to your questions in this thread? HERE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,354171.msg4689832.html#msg4689832) I answered your question. Earl would have to run a half dozen missions every night for the next year or so to catch up to the number of missions I have run in the MA.
Some of us have been here for ever and have seen most of the things you "new guys" are just now spotting.
As mentioned, we are NOT picking on earl but for the fact that he can't see how this idea would be abused.
:airplane: Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions, when I want to use carrier based aircraft in an attack, we just use the Marine aircraft stationed in all the hangars"! LOL
Don't give up Earl, ask the highest ranked player in your mission to take control of the CV just before launch. That will help keep control over many of the little twerps that will try and turn it just for laughs. On top of that, Should someone turn it and mess up your mission you WILL see his name in the text, and well, he is as fair game as your mission was :devil
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Do you even read replies to your questions in this thread? HERE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,354171.msg4689832.html#msg4689832) I answered your question. Earl would have to run a half dozen missions every night for the next year or so to catch up to the number of missions I have run in the MA.
Some of us have been here for ever and have seen most of the things you "new guys" are just now spotting.
As mentioned, we are NOT picking on earl but for the fact that he can't see how this idea would be abused.
Don't give up Earl, ask the highest ranked player in your mission to take control of the CV just before launch. That will help keep control over many of the little twerps that will try and turn it just for laughs. On top of that, Should someone turn it and mess up your mission you WILL see his name in the text, and well, he is as fair game as your mission was :devil
:airplane: :salute Thanks, I appreciate your reply and I really have enjoyed the banner back and forth on what I thought was a good suggestion and some things have been pointed out that, really, I usually take into consideration when posting a mish off a boat. #1- I never plan a launch inside the DAR ring of any enemy base, for obvious reasons. #2- If I see DAR pop up in a sector next to the boat, I usually send up a CAP and yes, I know that it usually alerts the enemy that a boat is there, but considering the time to get to the boat, it is not usually a concern. #3- I try to launch at least a sector away to give us time to climb out with the heavy fighters. #4- I NEVER post a mission in a "combat" zone, which I consider less than 5 min's flight time in a ponie, from a near by base, again for obvious reasons.
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Not unless you throttle up. Turn the engine off, for good measure. Situational awareness for carrier ops starts on the deck.
:airplane: I am pretty observant about things, but when I am sitting inside a TBM on the deck, in a F6F, with 20 or 30 other engines running, How am I supposed to tell that the boat is turning?
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:airplane: I am pretty observant about things, but when I am sitting inside a TBM on the deck, in a F6F, with 20 or 30 other engines running, How am I supposed to tell that the boat is turning?
Remember, you can look left, right and behind you. The destroyer escorts will be moving either toward you or away from you if the fleet is turning. Behind you, you will see the wake of the CV arcing one direction or the other if it is turning. Even without the externals (if the other cockpits spawned over you are blocking your view), your clip board map will indicate that a way-point has been reached and the plane icon itself will be turning.
If there is a player willing to spawn separately from the mission to join up with it shortly, he can be your flight operations officer on the bridge. He can do several things. He can keep everyone apprised of incoming threats (and in doing so can even choose to man the AAA), he can let you know when and if the boat is about to or is currently turning (though, as indicated above, pilots should be able to tell). If, instead of using a pre-loaded/spawn the whole group on the deck type of mission, he can call players in order to spawn one at a time (no being in 2 or more cockpits at once when spawning).
A player can even be designated to land on the CV first when returning and act as your LSO - both guiding in landing planes and baby-sitting the CV's course.
I hope this not only helps but adds to your immersion. :salute :cheers:
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:airplane: Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions, when I want to use carrier based aircraft in an attack, we just use the Marine aircraft stationed in all the hangars"! LOL
Well, I hope that is just hyperbole to cover losing face if you just said, "yeah, thanks for the info guys!" thereby taking into account the situation is a manageable one sir. I do not think anyone is asking you not to make missions from CVs, just be forewarned of the little detail at launch. That is it. I mean, honestly, it is just as easy to say, "hold on takeoff," and use the CV than just never using one again. You dime sir. In the end, I think we all hope you are still having fun. It's a game that can get under the skin, I know I let it get under mine a lot more often than you would think someone who has been around a minute should, but then again, my game play enjoyment is not like the average furballers or win the war types. :cheers:
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:airplane: I am pretty observant about things, but when I am sitting inside a TBM on the deck, in a F6F, with 20 or 30 other engines running, How am I supposed to tell that the boat is turning?
Use an external view. F3, F4, or F5.
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Use an external view. F3, F4, or F5.
There's that, however, he doesn't have to and he doesn't want to (and I don't blame him).
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There's that, however, he doesn't have to and he doesn't want to (and I don't blame him).
Sorry I missed the part where he said he didn't want to but it's still good advice for other people who may have the same question.
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Sorry I missed the part where he said he didn't want to but it's still good advice for other people who may have the same question.
Yep. I never needed to do that but ... yep.
Now .... for screen-shot purposes ..... :D