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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GScholz on September 28, 2013, 06:56:06 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTA8HrGELKQ
Dibs on not being the guy with the shock grenade on a stick... Crazy that they actually had people in the bus during this exercise. :huh
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Ever been so mad that you blow up a bus with a pool noodle?
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What caused the explosion at time: 13? The guy right next to the bus was almost toast.
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i dont understand what's happening, lol.
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The guy running up to the bus had a breaching charge on the end of a long stick... Instant can opener.
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What's the purpose of using a non-fragmentation charge when you blow the bus up? LOL
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A big flashbang I guess. The people inside the bus were OK from the looks of it. After all it was just an exercise.
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A big flashbang I guess. The people inside the bus were OK from the looks of it. After all it was just an exercise.
A Russian exercise, let us not forget :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTA8HrGELKQ
Dibs on not being the guy with the shock grenade on a stick... Crazy that they actually had people in the bus during this exercise. :huh
The guy with the stick looks like he got blown back 40 yards.
Must have been a hell of a ride.
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A Russian exercise, let us not forget :D
Indeed ;)
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The guy with the stick looks like he got blown back 40 yards.
Must have been a hell of a ride.
After he smashes the window and detonates the charge he ducks and rolls in front of the bus. You can see him getting back up just as the smoke starts to clear. He's the guy backing away to the right with his AK raised.
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that was insane, I had to watch it a few times to determine that the breacher hadn't evaporated.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJ7jECTGZw :D
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that was insane, I had to watch it a few times to determine that the breacher hadn't evaporated.
Exactly :huh
I'd like to be critical but it seems like it worked the way it was intended.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJ7jECTGZw :D
:lol
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Exactly :huh
I'd like to be critical but it seems like it worked the way it was intended.
The russians have a history of doing rescues with no concern for some collateral damages, including fatalities.
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My company was the North American distributor for a European company that made less lethal products back in the early to mid 2000's, and they had a flashbang/distraction device that was reusable, you just screwed new fuzes into the top of a reusable metal hull. It had 3 sizes, training, which was loud and hurt, law enforcement, which was really loud and really hurt, and a military one, which was about 1/10 of that charge I think. I still can't believe they used one that large, sort of removes the point of assaulting it with small arms when you blow it apart.
Historically, I agree with MrRipley, Russia/USSR has never been to sentimental when it comes to a 1 to 33% blue on blue rate (or red on red in their case, haha). The last big anti terrorist ops they've run included some pretty crazy stuff, even using nerve agents on EVERYONE, including the hostages. I know if I was a hostage in Russia, I'd be just as worried as the hostage takers, for whom there is NO hope, as their theory is to use tactics as in the video, very "gross motor skill" writ large types of ideas, and a lot less "finesse".
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I'm guessing you're referring to the Moscow theater hostage crisis in 2002. The Russians made several blunders during that operation. Biggest of which was not informing the medical services what gas they had used. All but two of the hostages who died during the siege were killed by the gas.
However... The situation was this: 850 people in a theater held hostage by 40-50 heavily armed terrorists and suicide bombers intermingled with the hostages, all willing to sacrifice their lives for their cause. I don't see how a western anti-terror unit could have done better given the situation. More likely a western government would have had to compromise with the terrorists. The Russian assault, botched as it was, still saved 717 out of 850 hostages while killing all the terrorists.
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Which, proves my statement exactly - The Russians are never scared of a little fratricide or friendlies killed if it helps accomplish their mission. I didn't say it was "bad" or "wrong", it's just a statement of fact. They killed about 15% of the hostages to save the rest, by their standards a more than acceptable outcome it that situation, which is pretty much the nightmare of all hostage rescue operations.
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Indeed.
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From what I gathered in my studies into history.
Never underestimate a bunch of heavily armed and determined Russians. No matter how many tanks, boats and planes you have.