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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Bino on October 01, 2013, 02:06:51 PM
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There is scuttlebutt going around that "bailers" are becoming more common. That is, players who drop their ordnance and then immediately hit the silk. While the full range of the effects of this behavior may be debatable, one thing is certain: it neither encourages nor prolongs combat. In fact, the result is just the opposite: combat abruptly stops. And so I present herewith a modest proposal d'encourager les combats:
If a player bails out within <variable> seconds of having released ordnance, that player will subsequently be required to wait in the tower for
( <variable> * ( 1 + <undamaged_planes> ) ) = <launch_delay>
seconds before he will be able to launch another sortie.
The <undamaged_planes> value will be initialized to zero and incremented by one for each of the player's aircraft (or drones) that is completely untouched by enemy fire at the time of the bail-out.
A reasonable value for <variable> might be something like "60".
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Bomb'n'Bailer response: Don't bail, just push nose down. Disintegrating plane will send you to tower almost as fast as bailing.
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Bomb'n'Bailer response: Don't bail, just push nose down. Disintegrating plane will send you to tower almost as fast as bailing.
:airplane: In either case, the player should receive ZERO for his mission!
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bombers that bail, should have their accounts locked and thrown away.
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I quit my account again over this, I saw a dar which told me two sets of aircraft were flying toward Rook strats - I climbed to 28k in a Ta-152 to get within 6k of the buffs, and they bailed on me. It took over an hour to climb up and get into position and poof gone.
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I quit my account again over this, I saw a dar which told me two sets of aircraft were flying toward Rook strats - I climbed to 28k in a Ta-152 to get within 6k of the buffs, and they bailed on me. It took over an hour to climb up and get into position and poof gone.
It took you an hour to climb up to 28k and get into position in a Ta 152? :headscratch:
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I'm sorry but, this is a behavioral situation that is not practically enforceable without negative consequence. As long as there exists a reasonable situation for bailing from an aircraft (it has been damaged beyond repair and is no longer airworthy) then the only possible programming (and it may not be practically possible) is to prevent a player from bailing, entirely, until the aircraft takes terminal damage. That could be the loss of a wing, catching fire, engine out, tail shot off, loss of one or more control surfaces in whole (ailerons - both, elevators - both, rudder the exception) .... and ..... pilot wound. Bomber formations can suffer fatal damage to one of three craft, turning the 'bail switch' on with two fully functional planes in the air.
Now, some of you may be looking at the above as a logical solution. Once again, the 'drive it into the ground' option exists for such intentional behavior. Also, what about the 'bail/auger to join' situation that some if not all of us have probably done. You're flying around looking for a fight and the two or three you headed toward dried up. A squadie or friend texts or voxes you that a big furball just formed at location such and such and he just took off from a nearby CV. There's no telling how long this opportunity will last. To get to the fun on time with a friendly base being more than 5 minutes flight time away you may have to bail or auger. Intentionally. Granted, the auger works. I don't see how the system could tell if it was intentional or not. And, heck, you may not have even noticed the high alt picker that just nosed in to get you. The one that will start a thread later to see if restrictions to your fun can be programmed into the game due to your dweebish ways.
:D
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It took you an hour to climb up to 28k and get into position in a Ta 152? :headscratch:
Yeah, I'm sorry I should of used the airspawn option to be 5k above him and in front of him, however taking off then chasing down buffs at full speed (B24s) took a little while especially when he turned around on me, I had to fly 2 sectors to catch him again (he was flying on the sector line).
It happens every now and then.
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I dont even remember the last time i saw somebody bomb and bail.
semp
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bombers that bail, should have their accounts locked and thrown away.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa
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Interesting ..... Anyone who has seen me in my Lancasters knows that I usually explode in a large ball of fire, aluminum, glass, rubber and Merlin engines long before I even remember I'm sitting on a parachute. :rock
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I think that players who bail from bombers the moment a fighter shows up have low moral fiber. I don't even really understand the reasoning for it. Even an He111 has guns and thus at least a prayer of winning a fight with a fighter.
That said, I am at a loss as to what can be done about it. Every solution I've ever seen proposed either has easily exploited loopholes or would have significantly negative effects elsewhere in the game.
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I think that players who bail from bombers the moment a fighter shows up have low moral fiber. I don't even really understand the reasoning for it. Even an He111 has guns and thus at least a prayer of winning a fight with a fighter.
That said, I am at a loss as to what can be done about it. Every solution I've ever seen proposed either has easily exploited loopholes or would have significantly negative effects elsewhere in the game.
see the problem is that it's a one sided opinion. why is it any different let's say than a fighter who disengages when he's getting :ahand . isnt it the same thing? why should fighters be allowed to run away and thus stop bombers from a kill?
I see lots of times fighters who will not engage when I am in a bomber. and that is a problem because I really want to fight. what can you do about the fighter that refuses to engage the bombers? or that makes one pass gets hurt pretty bad and dives to go either ditch or land.
semp
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see the problem is that it's a one sided opinion. why is it any different let's say than a fighter who disengages when he's getting :ahand . isnt it the same thing? why should fighters be allowed to run away and thus stop bombers from a kill?
I see lots of times fighters who will not engage when I am in a bomber. and that is a problem because I really want to fight. what can you do about the fighter that refuses to engage the bombers? or that makes one pass gets hurt pretty bad and dives to go either ditch or land.
semp
I've seen that too. Just the other day I lit someone up in a Spitfire from the tail of my Lanc. I saw pieces fly off him and he dove away smoking. Honestly, I was just tickled pink I was able to make him disengage so I could land successfully.
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see the problem is that it's a one sided opinion. why is it any different let's say than a fighter who disengages when he's getting :ahand . isnt it the same thing? why should fighters be allowed to run away and thus stop bombers from a kill?
I see lots of times fighters who will not engage when I am in a bomber. and that is a problem because I really want to fight. what can you do about the fighter that refuses to engage the bombers? or that makes one pass gets hurt pretty bad and dives to go either ditch or land.
semp
I've seen that too. Just the other day I lit someone up in a Spitfire from the tail of my Lanc. I saw pieces fly off him and he dove away smoking. Honestly, I was just tickled pink I was able to make him disengage so I could land successfully.
Um, yeah. I am going to have to side with Blinder on this one. While I love getting a kill on a fighter when in a bomber, if I manage to make a fighter turn tail and run from my bomber I gladly take it as I recognize that the bomber vs fighter fight heavily favors the guy in the fighter. It even feels like a victory to me because I survived and surviving is victory for a bomber. Bombers have very different victory criteria for air-to-air combat than do fighters.
Fighters running from a fighter vs fighter fight are annoying of course, hence the "Runstang", "Run90" and other such derogatory nicknames for fast, not terribly maneuverable, fighters that often disengage when the E advantage they entered the fight with starts to slip away from them. The difference is that such engagements don't usually take the better part of half an hour to reach the prospective battlefield and the battlefield usually offers other potential combats if the fast fighter chooses to run. When a bomber player at 28k chooses to bail immediately upon a fighter nearing engagement range he utterly wastes that fighter player's time (not to mention the hour or so it took his own bomber to reach that position) and for many of us that would pretty much be a waste of all of the entertainment time we had available for that evening. It is very frustrating, extremely more so than when a Fw190D-9 runs from me.
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its lame game behavior, that absolutely nothing can be done about.
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No diff than gvs that land or ditch when being bombed
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SYSTEM: GOOBER1 bailed from <plane type> for no apparent reason.
if damage status is less than x and pilot bails then run report.
SYSTEM: GOOBER1 crashed a <plane type> for no apparent reason.
if damage status @ crash minus n seconds is less than x then run report.
One of the neat things in AW was the death reports. As folk were shot down, crashed, the system would report. BB referred to it as the gameplay consequences of "shame" and IMO he was right.
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see the problem is that it's a one sided opinion. why is it any different let's say than a fighter who disengages when he's getting :ahand . isnt it the same thing? why should fighters be allowed to run away and thus stop bombers from a kill?
I see lots of times fighters who will not engage when I am in a bomber. and that is a problem because I really want to fight. what can you do about the fighter that refuses to engage the bombers? or that makes one pass gets hurt pretty bad and dives to go either ditch or land.
semp
lies...if you really wanted to fight in a bomber, you would be flying an a20.
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SBD. :D
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Yrs ago, I used to play Midwar 3 on 3 in the early mornings.. (Way back when I was playin online)
When ya play 3 0n 3, usually the Bomber guy had to bail, to bring the troops after his task was done..
It's a time issue, not a "LACK OF MORAL FIBER".. (a bomber command edict to prevent mass refusal)
Nor an "unwillingness to fight".. IT'S A FRIKKIN GAME ALREADY, gimme a brake, :confused:
The huge flamin egos around here are one reason I don't play online any longer..
Enjoy, but I just don't need it.. :bolt:
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Ink's right... it's lame, but there is something that can be done! :old:
Mercilessly shame these people on 200 and the bbs till they hang themselves in real life! :old:
Problem solved. The only in-game issue we'd have to deal with then is a few telling us we're not allowed to socially influence gameplay, but we can disregard that. :old:
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Yrs ago, I used to play Midwar 3 on 3 in the early mornings.. (Way back when I was playin online)
When ya play 3 0n 3, usually the Bomber guy had to bail, to bring the troops after his task was done..
It's a time issue, not a "LACK OF MORAL FIBER".. (a bomber command edict to prevent mass refusal)
Nor an "unwillingness to fight".. IT'S A FRIKKIN GAME ALREADY, gimme a brake, :confused:
The huge flamin egos around here are one reason I don't play online any longer..
Enjoy, but I just don't need it.. :bolt:
Yeah, interesting story but that is not what we are talking about here, and is a small percentage of what I have seen. I've seen way too may bailers, still inbound their targets that are simply griefers and think that it is fun to bail to deny a kill. I film every flight so I know who they are and it is mostly the same guys over and over and over. But hey, thanks for sharing your opinion about a game that you don't play anymore about an arena that isn't here any more. Maybe it's your "Lack of moral fiber" that wouldn't let you handle the ego's so you quit. Just a guess. :bolt:
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Yeah, interesting story but that is not what we are talking about here, and is a small percentage of what I have seen. I've seen way too may bailers, still inbound their targets that are simply griefers and think that it is fun to bail to deny a kill. I film every flight so I know who they are and it is mostly the same guys over and over and over. But hey, thanks for sharing your opinion about a game that you don't play anymore about an arena that isn't here any more. Maybe it's your "Lack of moral fiber" that wouldn't let you handle the ego's so you quit. Just a guess. :bolt:
Do you think anything coming from a Keyboard will cause a lack of moral Fibre???
Then you better stay on your keyboard, lol..
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Mercilessly shame these people on 200 and the bbs till they hang themselves in real life! :old:
Mnoooooo. That's not even close to being a solution. It's not 'better behavior' - that's for sure.
I'd rather see 'bail lock' (players just plain can't bail unless their aircraft takes terminal damage).
Won't stop the drop and auger types, though.
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Mnoooooo. That's not even close to being a solution. It's not 'better behavior' - that's for sure.
I'd rather see 'bail lock' (players just plain can't bail unless their aircraft takes terminal damage).
You mean you wouldn't use your keyboard commando skillz for the good of the game? Pfffftt. Sissy.
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You mean you wouldn't use your keyboard commando skillz for the good of the game? Pfffftt. Sissy.
Using it for the good of the game right now. Bring it on. :D :cheers: :P
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lies...if you really wanted to fight in a bomber, you would be flying an a20.
Tell that to 999000. In fact, demonstrate it to him in person the next time his low-alt deathstar shows. Please PM me so I can film it.
:D
Just sayin'.
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Tell that to 999000. In fact, demonstrate it to him in person the next time his low-alt deathstar shows. Please PM me so I can film it.
:D
Just sayin'.
Now that is a non-bailer, sharp-shooter. :D
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Using it for the good of the game right now. Bring it on. :D :cheers: :P
Surely an old dude that named himself after an activist folk singer sees the utility in social influence. Did your mancrush on me compel you to reply or do you actually have a point?
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Now that is a non-bailer, sharp-shooter. :D
I'd suggest the solution to the problem is to have 999 conduct mandatory gunnery classes for all buff pilots. :old:
The only problem then would be there would be no fighters in the virtual skies.... :eek:
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Surely an old dude that named himself after an activist folk singer sees the utility in social influence. Did your mancrush on me compel you to reply or do you actually have a point?
Well, it wasn't physical attraction or a high opinion of your 'solution' to the problem that earned my reply. That left my take on your version of 'social influence' and the opportunity to use you as an example of 'just as bad if not worse.' The Guthries, father and son, were much more creative and a lot less immature. You're more a 'McCarthy' type. :aok :cool:
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Surely an old dude that named himself after an activist folk singer sees the utility in social influence. Did your mancrush on me compel you to reply or do you actually have a point?
But...but.....but...I'm the only one allowed to have a mancrush on Triton28. :frown: :cry
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I'd suggest the solution to the problem is to have 999 conduct mandatory gunnery classes for all buff pilots. :old:
The only problem then would be there would be no fighters in the virtual skies.... :eek:
Too many students, not enough triple-nine-triple-zero. Lock the canopy/bombay/bail holes until the plane loses critical stay in the air parts. :D
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I quit my account again over this, I saw a dar which told me two sets of aircraft were flying toward Rook strats - I climbed to 28k in a Ta-152 to get within 6k of the buffs, and they bailed on me. It took over an hour to climb up and get into position and poof gone.
Had the same thing happen a couple of days ago. I was in a p47 tracking two incoming dar bars. Saw the first one at about 28 k. Didn't even get in icon range he bailed when he saw my dot. So vectored for the second incoming dar bar. He did the same thing the first one did. I was at 30k. Blows my mind that some one would spend the time to get bombers to that alt and bail before they even got to drop ords.
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But...but.....but...I'm the only one allowed to have a mancrush on Triton28. :frown: :cry
Well, as long as you're not participating in .....
(http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4718168712676602&pid=15.1)
:lol
But seriously, folks ..... just say no to trying to be the behavior deputy in the arenas by exhibiting hissy. It would be a shame to have to serve a warrant on yourself. ;)
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Well, it wasn't physical attraction or a high opinion of your 'solution' to the problem that earned my reply. That left my take on your version of 'social influence' and the opportunity to use you as an example of 'just as bad if not worse.' The Guthries, father and son, were much more creative and a lot less immature. You're more a 'McCarthy' type. :aok :cool:
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PawPaw,
Not everything I write on here is meant to be serious. If I say something wildly over the top, such as asserting that bailing bomber pilots should hang themselves, and include a silly emoticon, you can be reasonably sure I'm joking.
Now go play shuffleboard or something and stop following me around.
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But...but.....but...I'm the only one allowed to have a mancrush on Triton28. :frown: :cry
You I'll allow. <3
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:rofl
PawPaw,
Not everything I write on here is meant to be serious. If I say something wildly over the top, such as asserting that bailing bomber pilots should hang themselves, and include a silly emoticon, you can be reasonably sure I'm joking.
Now go play shuffleboard or something and stop following me around.
You bet.
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You I'll allow. <3
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Lately I have seen quite a few bomb n bail types. Not really sure what could be implemented to prevent it or punish it.
Perhaps, if the plane isn't damage beyond flight (like a wing isn't missing or something like that) then you can't bail from it?
Tinkles
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Lately I have seen quite a few bomb n bail types. Not really sure what could be implemented to prevent it or punish it.
Perhaps, if the plane isn't damage beyond flight (like a wing isn't missing or something like that) then you can't bail from it?
Tinkles
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We could make them fly pink bombers for a month afterward :D
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We could make them fly pink bombers for a month afterward :D
:lol I could go for that
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If you bomb & bail over enemy target what is the result??
Captured right??? So.
Lock them up for a spell.
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+1 for discouraging bomber drop and bails sorties.
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Had the same thing happen a couple of days ago. I was in a p47 tracking two incoming dar bars. Saw the first one at about 28 k. Didn't even get in icon range he bailed when he saw my
Was regressing from Indian country in B-29, pursuing P-47 bailed after chasing a sector or so.
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Programming 'time-outs' is not going to help this game no matter how much personal satisfaction those recommending it would get (for awhile). Get over selfish ranting and come up with something better. Just ...... sayin'. :aok
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Programming 'time-outs' is not going to help this game no matter how much personal satisfaction those recommending it would get (for awhile). Get over selfish ranting and come up with something better. Just ...... sayin'. :aok
Agreed. The only solution offered so far that doesn't punish legitimate occurrences is the one that prevents bailing as long as your plane is structurally sound. Do we really want that to apply to every single machine we operate? That would be the only fair way to do it.
Regards,
Hammer
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I'm telling you guys, public shaming is the only way. :old:
All else is complex nanny state solutions for a simple behavioral issue. Don't be a sissy pacifist. Your game needs you! :old:
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I'm telling you guys, public shaming is the only way. :old:
All else is complex nanny state solutions for a simple behavioral issue. Don't be a sissy pacifist. Your game needs you! :old:
Ultimately, I agree with this. Not sure it's enough of an issue to spend time on.
Regards,
Hammer
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I'm telling you guys, public shaming is the only way. :old:
'Public shaming' is it's own behavioral issue. How's it worked out for you so far? I'm here for my game (not like some who are way too much into the shame game). :D
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'Public shaming' is it's own behavioral issue.
If Arlo Guthrie had believed that, you sir, would not have a name. Use his activism as a guide and stop being a sissy. This board needs your picture finding/creating/posting power in order to properly and thoroughly shame Bomb N' Bailers (BnBers).
I'm here for my game (not like some who are way too much into the shame game). :D
I know you are, which is why we need your help. Your game is this BBS. This is where you can make an impact. You don't need to type anything witty (:)), all we ask is that you be vigilant. When a BnB thread comes up (or a BnBer is mentioned in a thread) you spring (OK, just slowly animate) into action and blast all necessary threads with pictures designed to shame the BnBer. That's it.
All we ask you to do is just be... you.
:salute
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If Arlo Guthrie had believed that, you sir, would not have a name. Use his activism as a guide and stop being a sissy. This board needs your picture finding/creating/posting power in order to properly and thoroughly shame Bomb N' Bailers (BnBers).
I know you are, which is why we need your help. Your game is this BBS. This is where you can make an impact. You don't need to type anything witty (:)), all we ask is that you be vigilant. When a BnB thread comes up (or a BnBer is mentioned in a thread) you spring (OK, just slowly animate) into action and blast all necessary threads with pictures designed to shame the BnBer. That's it.
All we ask you to do is just be... you.
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Well, if you insist. In the spirit of Arlo Guthrie, here's poster one:
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The real Arlo Guthrie would thrash you like a dog for not taking a stand against injustice.
Your hippie activist card is hereby revoked.
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The real Arlo Guthrie would thrash you like a dog for not taking a stand against injustice.
Your hippie activist card is hereby revoked.
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This man does not sing songs about lameness.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/ArloGuthrieMinnesotaZooAmphitheatre2005.jpg/220px-ArloGuthrieMinnesotaZooAmphitheatre2005.jpg)
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Arlo 3
Triton 0
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I think it's quite fitting to call the behavior police 'Officer Obie' from now on. :D
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(You're right! This seems just the ticket, Officer Obie.) :D
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:rofl dammit Arlo, don't you have a day job that keeps you busy? :rofl trying not to laugh out loud in the office is causing me chest pains. :lol :rofl
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Everyone has a responsibility to not only tolerate another person's point of view, but also to accept it eagerly as a challenge to your own understanding. And express those challenges in terms of serving other people.
-- Arlo Guthrie
Challenge yourself cartoon Arlo. Challenge yourself.
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Posting quotes and taking them to heart are obviously two entirely different things, Officer Obie.
Am I under arrest yet?
:D
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:rofl dammit Arlo, don't you have a day job that keeps you busy? :rofl trying not to laugh out loud in the office is causing me chest pains. :lol :rofl
Oddly enough, I'm doing my day job while doing this. It inspires me. ;)
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Posting quotes and taking them to heart are obviously two entirely different things, Officer Obie.
Am I under arrest yet?
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The quote was meant to be a safe way (words from your namesake) to help you understand that something with which you at first reject, can often be the best (and in this case the only) way. Look past the hate, cartoon Arlo Guthrie. Your picture posting and obscure song references are already lame enough. Don't defend the BnBer! :old:
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The quote was meant to be a safe way (words from your namesake) to help you understand that something with which you at first reject, can often be the best (and in this case the only) way. Look past the hate, cartoon Arlo Guthrie. Your picture posting and obscure song references are already lame enough. Don't defend the BnBer! :old:
Ah, irony. You're looking at this all the wrong way, Officer Obie. It's not how much you impress others with a channel 200 hissy rant or an AHBB torch and pitchfork dance (while lecturing others about hate). It's how much what you're trying to promote in the name of righteousness is doing no good what-so-ever. Does worse, even. You gotta understand what's right before you can condemn what's wrong, Obie. ;)
Don't just Google Guthrie .... embrace him, Obie. :D
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Ah, irony. You're looking at this all the wrong way, Officer Obie. It's not how much you impress others with a channel 200 hissy rant or an AHBB torch and pitchfork dance (while lecturing others about hate). It's how much what you're trying to promote in the name of righteousness is doing no good what-so-ever. Does worse, even. You gotta understand what's right before you can condemn what's wrong, Obie. ;)
Don't just Google Guthrie .... embrace him, Obie. :D
I've overestimated you, old hippie sir. :(
Aside from your need to play opfor to everything I say, I think I see your hangup. The way you play in the MA (for the couple hours you do every month) is judged by some to be lame. This must irritate you, and seems to drive your urge to always play the "it's only a game" or "you can't tell me how to play" card. I mean, you don't seem to be actually defending the action of bombing and bailing. All you're doing is telling me that I can't pass judgement on what is an almost universally judged to be lame activity. :rolleyes:
Just stop being stop being a hypersensitive ninny and you'll feel better. :aok
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I mean, you don't seem to be actually defending the action of bombing and bailing. All you're doing is telling me that I can't pass judgement ...
Who says there's not even a nugget hidden in your crusade, Obie? :aok
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Who says there's not even a nugget hidden in your crusade, Obie? :aok
My crusade? It ain't mine. I didn't start the thread, I just offered a suggestion which launched your "no hurt feelings" campaign. If you're going to cherry pick my quote, at least pick the part that best applies to you.
Just stop being stop being a hypersensitive ninny and you'll feel better. :aok
:aok
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My crusade? It ain't mine. I didn't start the thread, I just offered a suggestion which launched your "no hurt feelings" campaign. If you're going to cherry pick my quote, at least pick the part that best applies to you.
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When there's a part that really best applies to me I'll let you know of your blind swing moment so you can better form a clue next time. :D
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Make sure to screen shot it when you see me have a meltdown on 200. Until then...
Just stop being stop being a hypersensitive ninny and you'll feel better. :aok
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Make sure to screen shot it when you see me have a meltdown on 200. Until then...
Just stop being stop being a hypersensitive ninny and you'll feel better. :aok
Hypersensitive ninny. Gotcha. :lol
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You've almost got it, although it won't all be good. There will still be lame people in this game. The idea is not to not encourage more lameness. Negative reinforcement is lost on hippies though. :(
And why didn't you post that text with an Arlo Guthrie themed pic? At least then we might have an idea of who the hell you're talking about. :aok
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You've almost got it, although it won't all be good. There will still be lame people in this game. The idea is not to not encourage more lameness. Negative reinforcement is lost on hippies though.
As is a positive example being lost on Team Obie, it seems. :aok
And why didn't you post that text with an Arlo Guthrie themed pic? At least then we might have an idea of who the hell you're talking about. :aok
Is that the 'royal' we, Obie? Don't strain. This may take years. :D
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I guess I'll switch to low level interdiction, raid and snooper missions only from now on. That way when I bail outta my Lanc it'll be a much shorter and more convenient ride to the ground. :D
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As is a positive example being lost on Team Obie, it seems. :aok
I know you probably missed your nap today because you were busy drawing pictures, but tell me where I said you should never <S> a bomber pilot who steadfastly gets in his guns and fights it out?
Is that the 'royal' we, Obie? Don't strain. This may take years. :D
I have no idea what you're trying to say, nor do I give a diddly. Get in bed PawPaw. :old:
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Here's a new pic for you, per your request:
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Something is wrong with geriatric care in this country.. :(
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you two need a room and some "private time"?
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you two need a room and some "private time"?
No. He's too old to be able to do anything with it anyway. :)
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Here's a new pic for you, per your request:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img837/1299/0n1l.png)
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No. He's too old to be able to do anything with it anyway. :)
You do know that gyrene and I are pretty much the same age and that I am about the median age of this community, don't you?
Situational awareness, pup. :cool:
Besides, my wife's vageegee is certainly better than anything you could offer. ;)
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You do know that gyrene and I are pretty much the same age and that I am about the median age of this community, don't you?
Gyrene doesn't act like an old ninny, and neither do the majority of our older members. You should take notes. :aok
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Gyrene doesn't act like an old ninny, and neither do the majority of our older members. You should take notes. :aok
yes i do... :devil i just have a little add and i get bored of tossing gasoline on the fire after a while...Arlo doesn't seem to have such a short threshold. :lol
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Lynx when he played said something like this from what I recall in regards to this issue.
"Flight leader to flight.
OK chaps Berlin directly below.
Every one jump."
Always stuck in my mind for some reason. :D
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Gyrene doesn't act like an old ninny, and neither do the majority of our older members. You should take notes. :aok
(http://imageshack.us/a/img822/8996/sg42.png)
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Lynx when he played said something like this from what I recall in regards to this issue.
"Flight leader to flight.
OK chaps Berlin directly below.
Every one jump."
Always stuck in my mind for some reason. :D
:lol :aok
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Totally agree on this : Lame tactic to bail after drop.
:airplane: In either case, the player should receive ZERO for his mission!
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you lose 1000 perks if you bail would sort it out :old:
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Instead of "punishing" the bomb & bail tards, all I ask for is that we have Me163s available where ever the strats move to (forward or rear). :pray
Gives defenders a chance to defend the strats. And at a cost, so to speak however, also gives defenders a chance to intercept the bombers before they drop on strats and then bail...
I really think it is a simple solution to an age old problem...
Any thoughts?
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There is scuttlebutt going around that "bailers" are becoming more common. That is, players who drop their ordnance and then immediately hit the silk. While the full range of the effects of this behavior may be debatable, one thing is certain: it neither encourages nor prolongs combat. In fact, the result is just the opposite: combat abruptly stops. And so I present herewith a modest proposal d'encourager les combats:
If a player bails out within <variable> seconds of having released ordnance, that player will subsequently be required to wait in the tower for
( <variable> * ( 1 + <undamaged_planes> ) ) = <launch_delay>
seconds before he will be able to launch another sortie.
The <undamaged_planes> value will be initialized to zero and incremented by one for each of the player's aircraft (or drones) that is completely untouched by enemy fire at the time of the bail-out.
A reasonable value for <variable> might be something like "60".
This habit is just out of hand in Mid war an entire squad takes out AAA strats then all bail. Then do nothing except try to takes bases all night long after de-acking them. If they bail a penalty of some sort is in order.
1 minute for every crew member of said formation of that aircraft times three stuck in the tower maybe?
Something please. :pray
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I wonder what they farm perks for in there. Or are they doing something else?
I got like ~12 perks for two kills yesterday in a Brewster. Does someone need to tell them to join the low side in the LWar and get perks easy flying the FM2, Brewster, Ki-43...?
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Ask any real expert and they'll tell you that the best defense is an out of plane maneuver. :devil
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bombers that bail, should have their accounts locked and thrown away.
same with fighter jocks who run from bombers
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same with fighter jocks who run from bombers
I never run from bombers. I think they are yummy. :aok I have been known to disengage after having a engine shot out, wing shot off or a pilot wound but that's pretty rare these days.
Had a set of 24s shoot me down last night...first time in over a month. Two drones down and the third one catches my wing with his top turret....I should have looked up who killed me as it was an excellent shot. I've been playing the game recently with the text buffer filtering out most things but country, squad, PM and (occasionally) ch200 text so I really don't know most of the time who I kill or who kills me.....for some reason I seem to fly better this way. :lol
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Saw a guy on country the other day say he was going to bail his bombers after hitting strats. In his case he had a 190 close by and waited until he had killed the 190 to bail. I asked him why he would do that and his point was that he wanted to get up in his next flight quicker. I'm not agreeing with this nor do I disagree with it.
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Perk the formation of bombers, the formation not the bombers and tie it in to the ENY system. This way any bomber formation has perk points at risk, and yet does not impact the availability of the bombers.
But that may not work either, I usually go with minimum fuel and expect a 1 one trip. :bolt:
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Lately I have seen quite a few bomb n bail types. Not really sure what could be implemented to prevent it or punish it.
Perhaps, if the plane isn't damage beyond flight (like a wing isn't missing or something like that) then you can't bail from it?
Tinkles
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I am not going to read all 7 pages, but has someone suggested limiting bailout until they have taken any damage?
First, that would prevent the bomb and bail freakazoids from getting out uber easy. It would also make my job as bomber hunter more profitable as all I have to do is ping them, and if they bail I get the kill... Ya, today one ping and they bail is how it is now, but if you want to B&B you may think twice about fighting it out if you know all 3 of our bombers have been pinged. If you're going to register a death, may as well fight...
This still leaves you an out to quickly leave your bomber (you can dive till parts come off or auger), but provides at least some benefit for a player who spends their time climbing to intercept.
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Strangely even after 7 pages it seems most people are completely missing the entire point/nature of the problem
I believe that most of the time it's not about denying the enemy a kill. It's not about farming perks (and the players who bomb and bail likely wouldn't care if they lost perks for bailing).
They do it so they can drop their bombs and then immediately re-up and go drop bombs somewhere else without having to fly all the way home. Significantly increasing their contribution to the war effort.
If you make a penalty to punish bomb + bailing, or institute a mechanic to prevent it, these guys will just auger.
Just the same as the old saying "You can't fix crazy"...when it comes to online gaming, you also can't fix lame :)
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Strangely even after 7 pages it seems most people are completely missing the entire point/nature of the problem
I believe that most of the time it's not about denying the enemy a kill. It's not about farming perks (and the players who bomb and bail likely wouldn't care if they lost perks for bailing).
They do it so they can drop their bombs and then immediately re-up and go drop bombs somewhere else without having to fly all the way home. Significantly increasing their contribution to the war effort.
If you make a penalty to punish bomb + bailing, or institute a mechanic to prevent it, these guys will just auger.
Just the same as the old saying "You can't fix crazy"...when it comes to online gaming, you also can't fix lame :)
Now I get it...
Bomb and bailers don't bother me as much as bombers that bail when they see a dot in the distance. The former are just gamers from the xbox generation who are more about the result than the challenge... Weak... The later are worse than the BnB'ers. They are like the first, but with an added helping of chicken excrement thrown in.
I guess too many people have come up against Fulcrum and I, so they decide bailing is better than dead... :salute
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Now I get it...
Bomb and bailers don't bother me as much as bombers that bail when they see a dot in the distance. The former are just gamers from the xbox generation who are more about the result than the challenge... Weak... The later are worse than the BnB'ers. They are like the first, but with an added helping of chicken excrement thrown in.
I guess too many people have come up against Fulcrum and I, so they decide bailing is better than dead... :salute
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All buffs in my assigned sector must die horrible, flaming cartoon deaths. Why else would I carry a cannon load out that could sink the average WWII destroyer? :lol
Plays hell when you are trying to jockey for position with a single engine fighter...but its a challenge I enjoy. :aok
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25K proxy kill for the closest to bailing buffs or flying undamaged planes in to the ground?
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well , in reality most of the pilots avoid bailing out until they reach to friendly base or at least to friendly area.
Now that we have already the `You have been captured` thing implemented, HTC can easily improve it by adding a time delay before you can up again if you are captured.
5mins sounds reasonable to me.
more extreme solution can be something like, if you are captured over a enemy base , you cant up until your saved or the base is captured by friendlies... (just a thought)
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Strangely even after 7 pages it seems most people are completely missing the entire point/nature of the problem
I believe that most of the time it's not about denying the enemy a kill. It's not about farming perks (and the players who bomb and bail likely wouldn't care if they lost perks for bailing).
They do it so they can drop their bombs and then immediately re-up and go drop bombs somewhere else without having to fly all the way home. Significantly increasing their contribution to the war effort.
If you make a penalty to punish bomb + bailing, or institute a mechanic to prevent it, these guys will just auger.
Just the same as the old saying "You can't fix crazy"...when it comes to online gaming, you also can't fix lame :)
If you were right they would bail right after dropping their bombs, otherwise fight it out, but that is not what they all do. More than once I have lifted to intercept an outbound bomber, climbed to 25-30k only to have it bail as soon as I got in icon range.
There is a very noticeable difference between those who bail as soon as their last bomb lands and those who bail to deny a fight/kills.
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well , in reality most of the pilots avoid bailing out until they reach to friendly base or at least to friendly area.
Now that we have already the `You have been captured` thing implemented, HTC can easily improve it by adding a time delay before you can up again if you are captured.
5mins sounds reasonable to me.
more extreme solution can be something like, if you are captured over a enemy base , you cant up until your saved or the base is captured by friendlies... (just a thought)
HTC is NOT going to do anything that STOPS someone from flying. :t
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A bailer's survival ratio is 0 but a non-bailer stands a chance of not only making it home but also doing so with kills.
I don't see the appeal of bailing.
The guys who bail don't care about survival but are simple griefers who wish to deny a kill to an opposing player.
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HTC is NOT going to do anything that STOPS someone from flying. :t
Nor should HTC. It sucks when people bail out to avoid being shot down but there are always other targets to shoot at.
ack-ack
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A bailer's survival ratio is 0 but a non-bailer stands a chance of not only making it home but also doing so with kills.
I don't see the appeal of bailing.
The guys who bail don't care about survival but are simple griefers who wish to deny a kill to an opposing player.
Or some of us don't want to take the time it may take to fly a couple of sectors back to base. I frequently auger my P-38 instead of taking the time to return to base, most of my deaths are due to this. I don't see where I'm griefing or denying a kill to anyone.
ack-ack
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As long as it wasn't done while in the middle of combat, I would agree....some I'm sure will appreciate the proxy.
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A bailer's survival ratio is 0 but a non-bailer stands a chance of not only making it home but also doing so with kills.
I don't see the appeal of bailing.
The guys who bail don't care about survival but are simple griefers who wish to deny a kill to an opposing player.
Ego & score, I'd presume those are the reasons more often. They now get their name in lights as shot down by on their scorecard. Survival ratio is what again, bailing and dieing aren't recorded the same way; Bailed, & Killed In/Died In.