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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: XxDaSTaRxx on October 12, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
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Why? Wouldn't a Korean War Arena be cooler, and get more attention? The WW1 arena is usually dead.
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Why?
We had been polled by HTC if we would like to fly WW1 planes :)
Wouldn't a Korean War Arena be cooler, and get more attention? The WW1 arena is usually dead.
I don't see any reason a Korean War Arena would not go the same way as WW1 arena - Initial high usage, rapid loss of interest and long agony to follow.
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At first i was hoping that WWI arena was used more to try out the new hit models ,and then intreduce them into the WWII planes..but alas nothing.
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There is a WWI arena because it's a lot of fun. :D
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There is a WWI arena because it's a lot of fun. :D
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ww1_zpsb3ded961.jpg)
Yes, enormous fun. :noid
In the past 4 weeks I saw people in there on 2 occasions, though on one of them the single player there was obviously afk and not reacting at all.
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(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ww1_zpsb3ded961.jpg)
Yes, enormous fun. :noid
In the past 4 weeks I saw people in there on 2 occasions, though on one of them the single player there was obviously afk and not reacting at all.
Sometimes you have to hang out for a few, but eventually people will come. Some of the best fun I have ever had in AH came from little 5 v 5 furballs in there. :aok
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Sometimes you have to hang out for a few, but eventually people will come.
'A few' being more than one hour?
Maybe that's working at prome US time, but mostly not at any other. In fact, I haven't seen 10 players in there for ages. And you know I do track that kind of stuff... ;)
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'A few' being more than one hour?
Maybe that's working at prome US time, but mostly not at any other. In fact, I haven't seen 10 players in there for ages. And you know I do track that kind of stuff... ;)
Just about every server save the MA is a ghost town except during US primetime. Doesn't mean that they aren't fun, and it doesn't mean that they should be canned.
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A couple years ago I submitted a 2nd WW1 terrain, so at least the regular players could have a variety, but HTC turned it down because I used their own custom leafless tree trunks in no-man's land, which they said violated their "No custom tiles" rule, even though I used their tree and that's it on em. So it became an AvA terrain, that we use during our WW1 set ups. If the community would vocally back me up on it, I don't think the WW1 arena should fall under MA map regulations and fall into the same category as AvA terrains & such. I went through a lot of time matching up the opposing field distances to match the Default WW1 terrain. I would LOVE to see it used as it was made for. I know the WW1 guys would enjoy it. It's been on the server as avafront if anyone wants to check it out.[/spam] :salute
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:O
That map looks amazing! C'mon HiTech let us have it! :x :x
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But.. but.. the standard WWI terrain uses those leafless trees and tree trunks.
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I think the issue is that not a lot of people found the idea of a stay to the death fight appealing :rofl
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Same reason I hate fighting birds that turn on a dime in the MA...they just HO rinse repeat.
I understand not all do it but more then most
Edit: That's why I disliked ww1 arena from day one...Korea I think would be fun. The fights I have has 262 vs 262 have been fun and working angles at those high speeds really is more complicated making it runner IMO
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Rename it "furball arena" and restock it with WWII Aircraft and I'd wager they will come :D.
Nutz
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WW1 arena is an absolute blast if we get people to actually follow us over from the MA. A couple times while the MA was pretty much dead some of us tried to get everyone sitting in the tower to go to the WW1 arena to have some fun. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but when we did get at least some people to come with it then it was some of the best fun I've ever had!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX3lgUCAXi4
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The kind of fun you can get when you get people to join in the fun. :)
We should set up a WW1 night at least once and see how that goes.
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We had been polled by HTC if we would like to fly WW1 planes :)
I don't see any reason a Korean War Arena would not go the same way as WW1 arena - Initial high usage, rapid loss of interest and long agony to follow.
The problem with the WWI arena IMO is that people saw what was being done in "Rise of flight" and expected to see something more in line with that. Then when it wasnt. People lost interest
If you remember correctly. How it went down was something like this. Someone put up a link to ROF and everyone was oooing and ahhing about it. then it was asked by the Gods of AH if there would be an interest in WWI planes. To which a lot of people including myself cheered and said yes!
When it finally came to be people went there expecting to see something more in line with ROF. Particularly visually. But also in overall gameplay. When it wasnt more in line with that. Folks quickly lost interest. There simply isnt enough to do.
For a WWI arena to ultimately succeed it has to be more then just a furball. Just not enough there to hold the interest of the masses.
On the flip side. WWI aircraft lends itself perfectly to a story line or mission/scenario based game play. "attack/defend the observation balloons"
"Escort/shoot down bombers bombing the train depot/factory/artillery position).
It might be the perfect place to introduce AI bombing flights and let the players both defend and attack them.
The single WWi game i've had the most fun in was a game called "Wings" by Cinemaware for the Amiga. while some of the gameplay was cheesey It was story line based and the dogfights were great. there was immersion and a reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-W4cujggz8
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I think the issue is that not a lot of people found the idea of a stay to the death fight appealing :rofl
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I love going to the WWI arena when there's several people in there but I agree that there need to be more options than furballing to sustain interest. Look how many MA players are excluded simply by the fact that furballs aren't their preferred method of play. What's an armchair general, GVer, field gunner, bomber or base taker among others to do?
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Edit: That's why I disliked ww1 arena from day one...Korea I think would be fun. The fights I have has 262 vs 262 have been fun and working angles at those high speeds really is more complicated making it runner IMO
Not true, the slower planes are a lot harder to perceive movement in 3d space.
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I'd say that the WWI arena creates the best fights in the game.
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I am not a fan of the WWI arena because the fights are so limited. There is basically no such thing as an altitude advantage as you can't dive without disintegrating your plane. Also, there is no extending as the speeds are so low that the time it takes to gain separation is very long and you are taking hits all that time. There is basically nothing to do but flit around in circles until everyone but one is dead. That, and the planes float around like bobble heads. On the plus side: they do have cool skins.
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I'd say that the WWI arena creates the best fights in the game.
last few times I was there, there were a couple of guys 2 or 3k above me. they had no interested in fighting other than the easy kills. so I bailed out, they got a kill and I went to the ma.
semp
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I am not a fan of the WWI arena because the fights are so limited. There is basically no such thing as an altitude advantage as you can't dive without disintegrating your plane. Also, there is no extending as the speeds are so low that the time it takes to gain separation is very long and you are taking hits all that time. There is basically nothing to do but flit around in circles until everyone but one is dead. That, and the planes float around like bobble heads. On the plus side: they do have cool skins.
Again completely untrue, you simply find it harder to perceive the movements because everything is slower, you can pull pretty much all the moves you can in the WW2 planeset.
In addition to that you also have a as yet completely unexplored envelope of manoeuvring with the gyro planes!
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WW1 arena is an absolute blast if we get people to actually follow us over from the MA. A couple times while the MA was pretty much dead some of us tried to get everyone sitting in the tower to go to the WW1 arena to have some fun. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but when we did get at least some people to come with it then it was some of the best fun I've ever had!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX3lgUCAXi4
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The kind of fun you can get when you get people to join in the fun. :)
We should set up a WW1 night at least once and see how that goes.
So how about next Friday or Saturday? :D
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So how about next Friday or Saturday? :D
I'm in..someone has to die it might as well be me :aok :banana:
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WWI arena? I thought it was the DR1 dueling arena.
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WWI arena? I thought it was the DR1 dueling arena.
Current arena stats say otherwise :old:
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I love the ww1 arena and think there needs to be either AI or other objectives
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During prime time...when the main rolls over, on those few occasions, there are sometimes 15 or 20 people in the wwi arena.
Initially a lot of people came to AH because of that arena, DOA was pretty much gone and most of the other wwi arenas are not very user friendly. A lot of those initial pilots were not historically AH folks. Some just flew their free period and some stayed awhile longer, and a few are still around. Since HT had designed the original DOA arena, which was popular for a number of years...there was hope he would work on this one. When nothing happened to develop the arena, those folks who came over to fly there left.
It's still great fun to fly those planes, and in fact you don't have to die. The learning curve related to wwi planes is as steep as the curve related to wwii planes. Flying with your wing mates, how you enter the fight and etc. etc. etc.. But without more people there and a more developed arena with diverse things to do it will be only what it is. A lot of fun flying different planes once in awhile - when there are some others flying wwi planes.
There is no reason to close the arena since it doesn't detract from the development of the game and most of the time doesn't even draw pilots away from the main.
There is an audience out there for these planes, but there isn't anything very satisfying available for many of them right now...so this old wwi guy remains ground-bound in a tank most of the time...which is also great fun.
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Current arena stats say otherwise :old:
Certainly seems like every other plane is a DrI. And I seriously doubt it's because "they use the engine torque to maneuver".
Imo just a variation on those lacking skill flocking to the easy plane.
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During prime time...when the main rolls over, on those few occasions, there are sometimes 15 or 20 people in the wwi arena.
Initially a lot of people came to AH because of that arena, DOA was pretty much gone and most of the other wwi arenas are not very user friendly. A lot of those initial pilots were not historically AH folks. Some just flew their free period and some stayed awhile longer, and a few are still around. Since HT had designed the original DOA arena, which was popular for a number of years...there was hope he would work on this one. When nothing happened to develop the arena, those folks who came over to fly there left.
It's still great fun to fly those planes, and in fact you don't have to die. The learning curve related to wwi planes is as steep as the curve related to wwii planes. Flying with your wing mates, how you enter the fight and etc. etc. etc.. But without more people there and a more developed arena with diverse things to do it will be only what it is. A lot of fun flying different planes once in awhile - when there are some others flying wwi planes.
There is no reason to close the arena since it doesn't detract from the development of the game and most of the time doesn't even draw pilots away from the main.
There is an audience out there for these planes, but there isn't anything very satisfying available for many of them right now...so this old wwi guy remains ground-bound in a tank most of the time...which is also great fun.
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it was popular for a couple of weeks and only because it was a new arena with new planes to try. then it died.
semp
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...That, and the planes float around like bobble heads...
At least you noticed that Aces High is the only sim that does a decent WW1 flight model. :aok
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I love the ww1 arena and think there needs to be either AI or other objectives
Agree :aok The WW1 arena was a blast when enough people there. Sometimes would jump in for a few fights when the MA was changing maps.
AI Blimps would be awesome!
Bombs for the AI battlefield
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We had been polled by HTC if we would like to fly WW1 planes :)
I don't see any reason a Korean War Arena would not go the same way as WW1 arena - Initial high usage, rapid loss of interest and long agony to follow.
:airplane: I think you are way off on your estimate of game play in a Korean arena! I think the reason Hi Tech doesn't seriously consider it, is because the MLW arena would eventually die and become a WW1 arena. If all the aircraft which were flying during the Korean war, would be a lot more variety with everthing from "FAC's to F-86's. Tank battles would abound and plenty of Naval action for all.
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If HTC really wanted to, they could do short episodic missions, similar to what 343 did with Spartan Ops.
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:airplane: I think you are way off on your estimate of game play in a Korean arena! I think the reason Hi Tech doesn't seriously consider it, is because the MLW arena would eventually die and become a WW1 arena. If all the aircraft which were flying during the Korean war, would be a lot more variety with everthing from "FAC's to F-86's. Tank battles would abound and plenty of Naval action for all.
I don't think so somehow, would be interesting if the WW1 was turned into a showdown arena though maybe mig 15 vs sabre or even modern day jets as long as it was always guns only.
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WW1 is a really fun arena. It is too bad more people don't fly there.