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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SmokinLoon on October 15, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
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This is just as much of a question and afterthought as it is a wish-
Just how different would the bomb sights be, or the mechanics used in sighting them in? Would certain countries be at a disadvantage because their bomb sights were behind the time? Currently, it is one sight fits all and I hope most of us understand that the process used now if far more elementary than it really was. Now I'm not asking for the real deal, but having a more historically accurate bomb sight would be nice. Thoughts?
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This is just as much of a question and afterthought as it is a wish-
Just how different would the bomb sights be, or the mechanics used in sighting them in? Would certain countries be at a disadvantage because their bomb sights were behind the time? Currently, it is one sight fits all and I hope most of us understand that the process used now if far more elementary than it really was. Now I'm not asking for the real deal, but having a more historically accurate bomb sight would be nice. Thoughts?
or the option to manually calibrate
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This is just as much of a question and afterthought as it is a wish-
Just how different would the bomb sights be, or the mechanics used in sighting them in? Would certain countries be at a disadvantage because their bomb sights were behind the time? Currently, it is one sight fits all and I hope most of us understand that the process used now if far more elementary than it really was. Now I'm not asking for the real deal, but having a more historically accurate bomb sight would be nice. Thoughts?
We've already got different tank sight optics, so I think it would be nice to see the same thing applied to bomb sights, as well.
For that matter, I'd love to see functional torpedo sights on aircraft like the TBM added, as well.
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I suspect that nation specific bomb sights would not be friendly to Japanese bombers, Russian bombers (should any be added), Italian bombers (should any be added) and, perhaps, early war British and German bombers.
There are few things that will stop use of an aircraft faster than making it bad at its primary role in the game. Recall the effect of requiring manual calibration of the bomb sight in the MA, something that wasn't even hard.
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well considering the fact that you rarely find a bomber above 15,000ft...country specific bomb sights shouldn't be an issue. especially after some of the truly dedicated people around here create tutorials.
+1 to the OP.
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well considering the fact that you rarely find a bomber above 15,000ft...country specific bomb sights shouldn't be an issue. especially after some of the truly dedicated people around here create tutorials.
+1 to the OP.
95% of players never see a tutorial. Requiring manual calibration caused most players to just give up on the bomb sight altogether and either use fighter bombers or simply dive bomb with the Lancaster or B-17.
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or simply dive bomb with the Lancaster or B-17.
Wonder what their excuse is NOW... :noid :noid :noid
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95% of players never see a tutorial. Requiring manual calibration caused most players to just give up on the bomb sight altogether and either use fighter bombers or simply dive bomb with the Lancaster or B-17.
always with the negative waves...then perhaps the elite 5% should make more of an effort to educate the 95%.
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Wonder what their excuse is NOW... :noid :noid :noid
In comparison to then they simply don't dive bomb in heavy bombers now.
always with the negative waves...then perhaps the elite 5% should make more of an effort to educate the 95%.
I deal with reality over fantasy.
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This paragraph on the evolution of bomb sights lends credence to HTC's choice of easy mode bombing.
A more controversial aspect was how the American, British and German sights compared. The Norden, the SABS and the German Lotfe 7D or H were all tachometric sights used in the sitting position Norden and Lotfe 7D/H both had direct connections into the automatic pilot systems. so that in the run up to the target the bomb-aimer effectively flew the aircraft without the intervention of the pilot. Work on a SABS Mk lll was cancelled in 1943 which may have had this facility.
The SABS Mk llA uses a simpler system in that was connected to an instrument called the Bombing Direction Indicator(BDI) which was mounted on the pilot’s instrument panel. The BDI indicated to the pilot the amount of turn required left or right to bring the sight on to the target.
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Before the Norton and radar bombing. Most of the countries used some variation on this technology. The US and other countries purchased the British bomb sight shown here. Many guns sights and bombsights for japan were copies of German technology with a Japanese twist. Towards the end of the war japan started producing optical bombsights like the type 99 reflector bombsight. By that time they didn't have much of a bombing campaign.
British Course Setting Bomb Sight.
(http://626-squadron.co.uk/img73.jpg)
(http://626-squadron.co.uk/imgE1.gif)
(http://626-squadron.co.uk/img74.jpg)
German
(http://deutscheluftwaffe.de/instrumente/katalog/revi/gross/GV219%20-1.gif)
(http://deutscheluftwaffe.de/instrumente/katalog/revi/gross/Fl52375-1%205.gif)
Japan G3M and G4M bombers
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=238444&t=1)
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=238446&t=1)
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Don't forget Italy and it's "Typewriter".
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/544738-4/puntatore)
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"This paragraph on the evolution of bomb sights lends credence to HTC's choice of easy mode bombing."
Hey, I want Credence to play in my easy mode bomb sight. How do you enable that?
Nice post Bustr, I'm going to learn more about that Italian sight.
~S~ Buck
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So was there much difference in the reticules? One can only assume the Germans had the best optical quality and the Soviets the worst.
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well if we get specific bombsights...shouldnt we have the proper planes set to use them in...i mean..the german plane set dosent have any late war bombers...like the he-177,do-217, he -219.ju-188. etc
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well if we get specific bombsights...shouldnt we have the proper planes set to use them in...i mean..the german plane set dosent have any late war bombers...like the he-177,do-217, he -219.ju-188. etc
:headscratch: so the he-111 and the ju-88 didn't have bomb sights?
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Aces High optical easy mode bomb sight.
Lotfe 7 - Junkers Ju 88
Lotfe 7A - Heinkel He 111H-5
Lotfe 7B - Heinkel He 177A
Lotfe 7C - Arado Ar 234, He 177A, Ju 88
Lotfe 7D - Ar 234, Focke-Wulf Fw 200, Ju 88
Lotfe 7H - Ju 88, Fw 200 Messerschmitt Me 262A-2a/U2
Lotfe 7K - Ar 234, Me 262A-2a/U2
Lotfe 7K-2 - Me 262A-2a/U2
Operation was fairly similar to the Norden. The bombardier would first locate the target in the bombsight and continue to adjust the dials until it remained motionless in the eyepiece. This allowed the bombsight to calculate the wind speed from the cancelled out drift rate, which in turn allowed to make an accurate calculation of groundspeed. Unlike the Norden, the Lotfe 7 could view targets directly in front of the aircraft, so the bombardier could use the real target for adjustments, rather than having to "tune" the instruments on a test target located closer to the aircraft. The bombsight could be used against targets 90° to 40° in front of the aircraft, and up to 20° on either side. On final approach, the autopilot was engaged, while the bombsight adjusted the flight path in response to last-minute changes by the bombardier. Bomb release was normally automatic in order to reduce timing errors.
The Lotfe 7 was normally installed near the nose of the aircraft with the mirror tube projecting through the fuselage to the outside of the aircraft. In most installations, like those in the Junkers Ju 88 or Heinkel He 111, the tube ended in a fairing under the fuselage with a flat window in front. In other cases, like the Arado Ar 234 or the prototype bomber conversions of the Messerschmitt Me 262, the tube was open to the air, mounted so the mirror window was almost flush with the fuselage line. In the case of the single-seat Ar 234, the bombsight was difficult to access, so the autopilot was engaged first, allowing the pilot to remove the control yoke and access the bombsight.
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Update: Russia made a copy of the Lotfe 7B designated the SP-1 for level bombing after testing captured Ju88 and Do215. Other wise the PBP1 was used for dive bombing or a number of telescope style sights for low level bombing.
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The Russians and Japanese utilized telescope bombing sights until later in the war. Basicly they were either fixed in place or with some used as a back up which the navigator or bombardier could set into a holder if needed.
The Japanese type 88 is a good example of the concept and the standard for Japan.
(http://gunsight.jp/c/image2/type97cab-cockpit08.jpg)
(http://gunsight.jp/c/image2/type90bombsight-01.jpg) (http://gunsight.jp/c/image2/type90bombsight-00.jpg)