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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Randy1 on October 24, 2013, 07:24:06 AM
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I have been looking over the specs for the P47s trying to decide which one would be the best choice to use as a pure fighter. The D11 looks good to me but I thought I would ask for other opinions. I use to think the M would be the best but I always get caught slowed down and need a real good turning plane in the 47 lineup.
12K and down most of the time. Like a good furbal.
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M is the best fighter - by a large margin over the Ds and a narrow one over the N.
D11 is the coolest.
D25 if you want to fight wearing a pretty skin.
D40 and the N are single engine medium bombers for the common people.
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The M model is the pure dogfighter but I think the N model is better, especially low and slow due to wing design.
Some guys in my squad will tell you the D11 is the best dogfighter because it turns the best.
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The M model is the pure dogfighter but I think the N model is better, especially low and slow due to wing design.
Some guys in my squad will tell you the D11 is the best dogfighter because it turns the best.
Roll rate better?
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I have been using the D40 medium to low altitude and the Nancy for medium to high altitude work.
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I think the M is the best turnfighter. Even if its a bit heavyer than the D11, the engine power is more than compensating for it. Neither of them are pure turnes though, but all of them are capable to surprise most of the opponents with some overshoot attempts - at least the M has more power to recower if you dont succeed.
The N is good enough though, as long as you have wep and light on fuel.
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The N is good enough though, as long as you have wep and light on fuel.
I've always been partial to the N. Agree it's a pretty capable fighter as long as you don't overload it with fuel. The N's roll rate feels slightly better than the M ...tho' it's hard to tell given the roll rate for any 47 is outstanding.
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I have a lot of time in all of them (Not so much the N), and I think the M is the most capable fighter of them all for MA fighting - simply due to that engine. The D11 is my favorite though. Nothing technical to support my bias - I just feel comfortable in it. YMMV
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The N can feel more stable in the stall due IMO to the added weight in the wings, but its heavier and the guns separation is even greater than the standard jug, so I tend to prefer the M for fighter work.
I used to grab the d25 from time to time to enjoy the great french skins on it :aok
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The M is the most forgiving, particularly when it's lower on fuel. I'm with Ammo though, I just find the D-11 works for me. Plus it farms perks very well.
The N seems odd to me. I generally don't notice when planes have a reputation as stable or unstable, I just fly them. For some reason though, the N jug just feels like it's on rails when you're lining up a shot.
Wiley.
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D11 is actually slightly faster than the D25 and D40 and significantly faster than the N on MIL power. It's still faster than the D25 on WEP as well as matching the D40! I hear people saying they don't like the D11 because it's so slow, yet it's the 2nd fastest Jug on MIL power! ;)
I think the M is the easiest to get in and dogfight with. Great engine power, good climbing ability and the exceptional diving ability, and a respectable turn rate that can be helped with a little flap work as well. All of the Jugs are actually pretty ok in a stall fight as well as long as the fight doesn't go vertical for too long.
D11 I say is the next best dogfighter. It's the lightest of them all, 2nd fastest on MIL power, ok climb rate, it's a jug so it dives like no other (I caught a P-38L in this plane the other day!), and it's got a superb turning ability that not many know of. The D11 is very stable in a stall fight and can give spitfires trouble sometimes! The only thing that makes this thing a bit tougher to use than the M is the canopy framework and razorback design. I personally don't mind it but some people seem to hate it.
D25 and D40 are virtually the same plane as far as I can ever tell. They weigh the same, seem to turn the same, climb the same, and have the same speed. The difference is the WEP. The D40 has better WEP than the D25. These two planes may have an upgraded engine from the D11, but they are heavier too and that's what makes them slower on MIL power. The D40 has to use WEP to match the D11 and the D25 doesn't even have the WEP to do that. The one thing these planes can do is out dive the D11 with that extra weight. They're still very capable dogfighters but the extra weight can make it bit more challenging than the D11 or M.
The N I haven't flow a whole lot in dogfights but I have found it to be the hardest to use. It's really heavy! It's the slowest on MIL power but it's WEP is what makes this plane a beast! If you can keep this plane light then it can really give a lot of planes difficulties. If you can't out climb them and you can't out turn them, then you can without a doubt out dive them with all that weight, and all that weight makes for some nice zoom climbing.
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Super replies. I felt the pleasure y'all experience in each one of the different models of P47s. I was a bit surprised by the good words on the N so it will diffidently get more time out of the hanger.
I have spent some time in the M but I think I always relied too much on the power and not enough on the planes other attributes.
From y'all's post, I think I will start with the D11 and learn how to fly the 47 without the extra power then take the M back out. To compliment that, I will use the N for an attack plane to give it some stick time.
Real good opinions from all.
Thanks again.
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Another thing to note: the N was designed for longer-range escorting capabilities, and thus was given more fuel tank capacity in the wings. This was accomplished by extending the wings a bit, so the guns are about a meter further apart than they are in the earlier P47s.
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Another thing to note: the N was designed for longer-range escorting capabilities, and thus was given more fuel tank capacity in the wings. This was accomplished by extending the wings a bit, so the guns are about a meter further apart than they are in the earlier P47s.
yes, and that annoys me, especially at close range
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yes, and that annoys me, especially at close range
With 4 guns in each wing you don't need convergence.
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With 4 guns in each wing you don't need convergence.
maybe but even with a single wing hitting extra separation will make it harder
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Ehem!
The D11 should be the starting point, it is the safest JUG for someone who wants to do more than B&Z and has interest in learning how to JUGgle.
The M would be next step as it will teach you energy management (not that it holds E well) but it has the motor to recover lost E quicker than the others and it has the legs to escape trouble if need be. I always thought the M to be a hotrod, and was my choice if I knew I was going against "good" k4 fliers. It is not in the same league as the k4 but it can be a very nasty surprise for K4 drivers who take it for granted.
D25 and D40, well IMHO these 2 rides are the worst JUGS, I think the D40 edges out the D25 mainly cause the D40 retains E better (some would disagree) but it is what I've found. So if you get good in the D25, The other JUGS will come easier.
The "N", just thinking about the "N" makes me want to return!! :O It is the little things that matter in the closest of contests. 200 mph stock cars will benefit greatly by getting .005 mph increase with tire pressure changes over 100 miles, the N JUG is very much like this to me. The N has the most "little things" to draw from, they are subtle but put together they can be the difference between gloating and sitting in the tower ;) The bigger, clipped wings allow it to float very well, with rudder assist the roll rate is superb. Rudder, lets just say it IMO is second only to the corsair rudder. The energy retention of the "N"aughty Lady is the best of all JUGS, probably from the added weight which I will add does not unbalance the N, in fact I would say the N is the most balanced and dreamy JUG in the game!!
Many think the M is the best JUG, but I always found it to be a very rigid and inflexible ride, the N offers the most options during a fight. The M always seemed to advertise its "game" in other words, most everyone knows what to expect from the M, the only difference being how well the driver does those "expected things". The N comes with a "bag of tricks" :aok But it requires more experience to get the most out of the N.
Years ago YUCCA flew the N and was possibly the best JUG driver at the time, he returned about 5 years ago and I was inspired to take up the JUG and try to figure out why in the hell he always flew it the way he did. Low, slow, ganged and molested. YUCCA volunteered some advice to me one day, 5 simple words that stuck!! " RUDDER RUDDER AND DON"T MISS " <-- the best advice for an aspiring JUGgler. :aok
He returned again about 2-3 years ago, we fought each other and flew together at times which was a massacre unless Kappa and Grizz were around :furious but it was great fun, sadly I think that was his last hurrah!
Lastly how to tell if you are getting any good in the JUGS. Measure yourself against "GOOD" corsair drivers. The corsair does everything better than the JUG but they are similar. IF you can push a "GOOD" corsair driver to pull out all the stops and work hard at killing you, then you have arrived. Do not expect to win many encounters against equally skilled corsair drivers as the corsair is just plainly better, but they are a good measurement of your improvement!
Me in a corsair will PWN me in a JUG, but me in a JUG is a handfull indeed!! :devil
Go forth and JUGgle
good luck
JUGgler :cheers:
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I enjoyed the D40 and the M this month.
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M and d11 are the fighters out of the group... I don't like the n model because I always catch on fire. :(
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I haven't flown them in a while but I always thought I liked the D-11 as a pure dogfighter but didn't like the birdcage canopy that much so drifted to the D-25 until one day I took up an N. Wow! Keep her fast and smooth and she's a killing machine. I've tried the M but it somehow doesn't seem like a Jug and the D-40's just a bomb truck.
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JugLer and others. It is interesting how much agreement there is in the P47 community on the attributes of the P47 family. I took them all out yesterday except the 25. Best I can tell the replies are dead on.
I could not get a handle on the D11 but in fairness, a fighter cap at the base I was at kept me from getting any E advantage. The restricted view hurt but I think in time I could work around that with practice.
The D40 is good at everything although not the best at anything.
The N came out for several heavy attack missions. Solid as a rock on bombing runs as y'all noted. After the drops, made a good fighter too.
I took the M out on a base defense. The rolll rate made a tree top run to pick up speed a real neat run. That was a blast. Took it too 15K. I still need to not lean on the motor so much.
Thnks for the replies. Solid information.
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The replies here are pretty much spot on.
The M is the difinitive fighter but only because of the raw power. It will hang on the prop longer than the rest and suprise some pilots. It also allows a jug pilot to get out of some situations where he normally would have to fight his way out.
The N is the version where most people diverge. While some people prefer it I do not. It has a Jeckl and Hide personality that is completely dependent on WEP. With available water injection, it's every bit the beast the M is. Once you run out of WEP it's the biggest turd of the bunch.
In my opinion, the D-40 is the best all around Jug.
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You will not get shot down in a P47M unless you want to. Best superiority fighter in the game in my opinion.
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Well, I would almost agree if one stayed at 25k all the time where it really shines, but what is the fun in that? We should ask tonyjoey :rofl
I want to add something in response to Mechanic's post - I think the F4U-4 is probably the best "air superiority" fighter in the game, unless we add the 262 into the mix.
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In the Corsair line the F4u1a is my favorite, nonperked fighter. I thought the D11 would compare favorably to the F4U1 but the D11 flew heavier than the F4U1 or 1A seems like too me.
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I could not get a handle on the D11 but in fairness, a fighter cap at the base I was at kept me from getting any E advantage. The restricted view hurt but I think in time I could work around that with practice..
My preferred way of fighting in the D11 is come in high and fight your way down through the crowd. Go after the guys that are co-alt with you looking for the pick on the crowd below, then work your way in from the edges. It is really at its worst with an E disadvantage against twistier planes. Dealing with faster twistier planes is where you need the familiarity with it to win, and it basically boils down to outflying the pilot, not the plane at that point. Really the same can be said for all jugs IMO.
In the Corsair line the F4u1a is my favorite, nonperked fighter. I thought the D11 would compare favorably to the F4U1 but the D11 flew heavier than the F4U1 or 1A seems like too me.
It doesn't turn nearly as well as the corsairs, nor does it have the hoverflaps to rely on. Light on fuel and full on WEP, IMO the D11 fights about the same or even slightly better than the corsairs uphill. They both really are better at fighting downhill though. Not to say uphill can't be done, just that downhill is easier.
Wiley.
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You will not get shot down in a P47M unless you want to. Best superiority fighter in the game in my opinion.
On the surface I might agree, but the added energy the N brings would be hard for the M to negate in an aggressive fight, If the M did not push aggressively the N could easily (if out motored) nose down and disengage, resetting the fight. If it did push aggressively, it would be at a disadvantage. If they merge at low alt, the M is in a lot of trouble from the outset!
I think I could defeat just about any M with the N except for the very best of players that know both exceedingly well!
<S> Batty!
JUGgler
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I want to add something in response to Mechanic's post - I think the F4U-4 is probably the best "air superiority" fighter in the game
Yeah, F4U-4 vs the P-47M the -4 is pretty definitively superior unless you're at very high altitudes. Below 20,000ft, the Jug-M only has a band between ~4000-10,000ft where it's faster, and the -4 outclimbs it handily at pretty much any altitude below 25,000ft. The Corsair by far has the better rudder and flaps, and should win at both high and low-speed maneuvering fights.
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On the surface I might agree, but the added energy the N brings would be hard for the M to negate in an aggressive fight, If the M did not push aggressively the N could easily (if out motored) nose down and disengage, resetting the fight. If it did push aggressively, it would be at a disadvantage. If they merge at low alt, the M is in a lot of trouble from the outset!
I think I could defeat just about any M with the N except for the very best of players that know both exceedingly well!
<S> Batty!
JUGgler
The N is a turd and can't compete with the M at any altitude and/or in any E situation. :t
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On the surface I might agree, but the added energy the N brings would be hard for the M to negate in an aggressive fight, If the M did not push aggressively the N could easily (if out motored) nose down and disengage, resetting the fight. If it did push aggressively, it would be at a disadvantage. If they merge at low alt, the M is in a lot of trouble from the outset!
I think I could defeat just about any M with the N except for the very best of players that know both exceedingly well!
<S> Batty!
JUGgler
S! mate, this could be a good fight to try if you ever get back into the DA, give me a holler if you're online ever. I have to admit, my experience in the N is limited, though I do remember once being at 35k and cruising at nearly 500mph level. I prefer the M because i think it looks sexier! :D
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You cut me deep Mak!
Your ploy to get me to return to prove my case won't work!
Maybe it will
Nooo
Damn it!
JUGgler
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MuuuuuuHahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!
56th has a shiny new N waiting for your return JUGgler.
It's only a matter of time and I am patient.
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My favorite is the D-11. I use the D-40 as a mud mover then fight with it. The N feels like a slug and the M ..well that belongs to the 56th :neener:
Me and the Bee,
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liMak, I agree on the D40. if I had to choose one, it would be the D40.
I do remember an outing with the N that I was low and slow. Fuel was low. I remember pitching that big, bird around with the WEP off and on. It felt like a Seafire or the like.
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The D40 was always my favourite untill they released the M
Here, I have proof. I made this back in about 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrZKuDU5jrE
D40 kills compilation
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I'm partial to the D40.
Jarbo is too and he is an expert.
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I don't know which one's best, I love the D11 but love the M as well. And the N, and the D25, and the D40, and and :x
Something about 8 50-cals and a big purty girl with all that horsepower.....
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Just cause this thread needed pixxors....
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A while back I used to fly the Peeeeeee47's exclusively.
What I took from them:
The D11 looks the best.
The D25 has pretty looking skins available.
The D40 is the jack of all trades.
The M has great gas mileage - 40 MPG city!
The N has boobs on one of the skins. :banana:
There is no best P47. Its either one of those 5 that suit you best and which one you like the most. Master it and thou shall be thy best Jug pilot in thine entire kingdom.
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I sure like that M. Stay high though. On the deck you can be ran down by several other crafts.
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A while back I used to fly the Peeeeeee47's exclusively.
What I took from them:
The D11 looks the best.
The D25 has pretty looking skins available.
The D40 is the jack of all trades.
The M has great gas mileage - 40 MPG city!
The N has boobs on one of the skins. :banana:
There is no best P47. Its either one of those 5 that suit you best and which one you like the most. Master it and thou shall be thy best Jug pilot in thine entire kingdom.
:airplane: Pretty good essay on the different jugs! I keep flying different ones and can't seem to settle on one version over another one. The loss of "E" keeps getting me in trouble, so I am going to have to work a little harder to become a good Jug pilot. Love those 8 guns though! With bad eyes, they help overcome some poor aiming I guess.
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There is a big difference between how the Jug was used in WWII and in Aces High. The difference is a game vs. Reality.
Turning and burning wasn't given a thought, it was to be a high alt escort and interceptor. This is where the P47 really shines.
Slinging rockets and eggs on this monster came later when air superiority was realized over Europe and the Med.
The first P47s used in Europe were the C Models which believe it or not are listed slightly faster then the D Models. Range at that
time was the problem with the P47C. Initially the front cowling bands on the early P47s were painted white when the 47 was
introduced over Europe so as to identify them as P47s and not be confused with the FW190.
Most all FGs based in Great Britain at one time or another flew the P47. All these FGs but one converted to the P51.
The 56th is the one and only FG to fly the P47, all models (except for N) for the duration of the war. The 56th listed 42 Aces in the P47.
It's loss to sortie ratio was .07. Yep.......less the 1% losses per total sorties flown by the venerable P47.
What ever it was assigned to do, it did it very very well in the hands of capable Pilots.
True story: 1 April 1944: The 56th on the way back home from an uneventful mission to Strasbourg, the 61st FS CO Jim Stewart
decided to do a little aerodrome strafing at Lille. The AAA was ready at Lille and Pilot Thomas Owens took hits to his fuel tanks.
While screaming for Owens to get out, Stewart flew straight into a Telegraph pole, which to the amazement of the Pilots
watching, came out far worse shape then the P47. Owens went in unfortunately. Stewart nursed the P47 back home with pieces
of the telegraph pole in his aircraft, several were large. This is the chief reason the A10 is nicknamed the Thunderbolt, in tribute
to the P47.
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Slightly off-topic, but why were the jugs replaced by ponies? I have always considered the P47 as a much better aircraft than the pony.
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Range, for one. Until the N models the P-47 couldn't accompany the B-17s all the way to target on the longer flights.
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Cost I believe was another factor. I thought I remember reading somewhere that the Pony was cheaper than the Jug to build.
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There is a big difference between how the Jug was used in WWII and in Aces High. The difference is a game vs. Reality.
Turning and burning wasn't given a thought, it was to be a high alt escort and interceptor. This is where the P47 really shines.
Slinging rockets and eggs on this monster came later when air superiority was realized over Europe and the Med.
The first P47s used in Europe were the C Models which believe it or not are listed slightly faster then the D Models. Range at that
time was the problem with the P47C. Initially the front cowling bands on the early P47s were painted white when the 47 was
introduced over Europe so as to identify them as P47s and not be confused with the FW190.
Most all FGs based in Great Britain at one time or another flew the P47. All these FGs but one converted to the P51.
The 56th is the one and only FG to fly the P47, all models (except for N) for the duration of the war. The 56th listed 42 Aces in the P47.
It's loss to sortie ratio was .07. Yep.......less the 1% losses per total sorties flown by the venerable P47.
What ever it was assigned to do, it did it very very well in the hands of capable Pilots.
True story: 1 April 1944: The 56th on the way back home from an uneventful mission to Strasbourg, the 61st FS CO Jim Stewart
decided to do a little aerodrome strafing at Lille. The AAA was ready at Lille and Pilot Thomas Owens took hits to his fuel tanks.
While screaming for Owens to get out, Stewart flew straight into a Telegraph pole, which to the amazement of the Pilots
watching, came out far worse shape then the P47. Owens went in unfortunately. Stewart nursed the P47 back home with pieces
of the telegraph pole in his aircraft, several were large. This is the chief reason the A10 is nicknamed the Thunderbolt, in tribute
to the P47.
Nice post.
I would like to add something - the early P-47 units (4th, 78th, and 56th) under Eighth Fighter Command earned their lumps and learned their trade in a P-47 against a highly skilled and veteran Luftwaffe. By the time the the P-51D arrived in theater, air superiority was achieved.
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Slightly off-topic, but why were the jugs replaced by ponies? I have always considered the P47 as a much better aircraft than the pony.
The P-51 had a higher mach number so they didn't compress as soon when diving on bandits at high altitude.
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I thought it was because as Hightone said - the P-51 was cheaper to produce. Also add the range factor which was huge at the time. The Brits put enormous pressure on the U.S. to increase it's bombing campaign and the U.S. was taking huge losses. We needed a fighter that could go the distance. Also, the airframe was designed earlier and the factories had a huge leap forward in tooling and parts. All that needed to be done was fit the Merlin to it.
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It might have been interesting to compare a fully developed P47M to a P51D had development on the M went beyond the cut to suit, beat to fit, and paint to match stage.
BTW, what was it about a F4U that allowed it to retain energy better than the P47? They look to have about the same frontal area.
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BTW, what was it about a F4U that allowed it to retain energy better than the P47? They look to have about the same frontal area.
Because they don't.
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The P-47 has that deep belly and tall cowling like the F6F, while the Corsair's fuselage is more or less tubular. There's some claims the gull wing design reduced drag as well, but that's a bit controversial.
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The P-51 had a higher mach number so they didn't compress as soon when diving on bandits at high altitude.
The P47 will out dive a P51 and will out zoom it also.
Reason...weight. The P47 was a product of 30s technology, the P51 the 40s'.
The P51 had greater range. Radial engines were great for taking a beating. No glycol lines to worry about.
Oil hits were less worry to a radial engine also. Radials however gulped fuel. Radials were more reliable
but a radial engine added more drag to a fighter. You'll notice that in general the US Navy used radial engines
chiefly for their reliability and ruggedness. Flying over great expanses of Ocean required greater reliability,
which the radial engine supplied.
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Although the 51 was cheaper to build, the primary reason it replaced the 47 was range. Republic developed the N to stay competitive and they were originally slated to go to the ETO but victory over Germany sent all the Ns to the pacific. The M was simply a factory hotrod version of the D model and wasn't supposed to be a long production run. There are written accounts that the ground crews in 47 squadrons were already overboosting earlier model razorbacks making them perform as well or better than the M. Many have argued that the Jug was a better all around fighter than the 51. The 51 was excelent but won out primarily due to its ability to go the distance. I suspect, had the Spitfire been able to fly as far as either the pony or the jug, it would've been the weapon of choice. Grumman test pilots evaluated many of the aircraft in the ETO when they were developing the Bearcat. The two planes they were most impressed with were the 47 and the 190. They liked the 51 but felt it was too fragile as a battle platform. It's also interesting to note tha the 51 got substantially better MPG than the radial equipped birds too so logisitics played a roll as well.
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I thought it was because as Hightone said - the P-51 was cheaper to produce. Also add the range factor which was huge at the time. The Brits put enormous pressure on the U.S. to increase it's bombing campaign and the U.S. was taking huge losses. We needed a fighter that could go the distance. Also, the airframe was designed earlier and the factories had a huge leap forward in tooling and parts. All that needed to be done was fit the Merlin to it.
It's likely there were many reasons. The higher speed before compressing is one critical advantage at the altitude the escorts flew at.
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It's likely there were many reasons. The higher speed before compressing is one critical advantage at the altitude the escorts flew at.
The 47 was always praised for its diving ability and behavior in the dive. I seriously doubt slightly higher M limit was of any consideration in replacing it.
Range mostly, followed by cost and fuel economy.
Because they don't.
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The P-47 has that deep belly and tall cowling like the F6F, while the Corsair's fuselage is more or less tubular. There's some claims the gull wing design reduced drag as well, but that's a bit controversial.
Frontal area is a poor measure of drag, except that a plane bigger in front tends to be bigger overall.
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The 47 was always praised for its diving ability and behavior in the dive. I seriously doubt slightly higher M limit was of any consideration in replacing it.
It's not my opinion. In one of his books Eric Brown said the P-51 was the best bomber escort because of it's higher critical mach. The Air Ministry tested all the fighter aircraft with sufficient range to see which was best. OF course it's possible the US might not have considered that in their selection.
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Frontal area is a poor measure of drag, except that a plane bigger in front tends to be bigger overall.
Oh, I wasn't really commenting on drag in relation to frontal area, I was mainly pointing out to Randy that the Jug and Hellcat had a pretty noticeably larger frontal area than the Corsair. ;)
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Because they don't.
I see what you are saying. The belly bulge might well be the issue.
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I see what you are saying. The belly bulge might well be the issue.
:airplane: I was told by a Lockheed engineer friend of mine, who said that the shape and length of the prop blades had a lot of influence on drag. I think the shape of the canopy and wing "wash out" had a lot of influence on drag. The airflow around the fuseledge also should be included in drag elements.
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:airplane: I was told by a Lockheed engineer friend of mine, who said that the shape and length of the prop blades had a lot of influence on drag. I think the shape of the canopy and wing "wash out" had a lot of influence on drag. The airflow around the fuseledge also should be included in drag elements.
Probably is a combination of several factors I would guess.
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For radials the detailed shape of the cowling had a big impact on drag. This is one of the main reasons that radials tended to have more drag than inlines. The difference is that with inlines you have a smooth fuselage behind the prop that allows the turbulent flow to straighten itself. The cooling drag in inlines comes from radiators that are placed elsewhere in a "clean" airflow and try to get the air to come out of them as smooth as possible. Classic radials (P47/F6F/F4U etc) just swallow all the turbulent air behind the prop into the cowling to cool the engine and let it out in a much less clean way then what you can do with a radiator under the wing/belly. A good radiator design is said to provide a net thrust, compensating for its drag by heating the air (thus cooling the radiator) and accelerating it on the exit - not unlike a jet engine.
Republic with their XP-47J and Hawker with the sea fury designed a very different cowling to their radials which supposedly lowered drag significantly. This allowed the XP-47J to scratch the 500 mph in level flight.
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Um...D-11 has best skin of all the jugs(dark olive with blue trim and racing strips). it's the only jug I fly and a ride I take often.
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Um...D-11 has best skin of all the jugs(dark olive with blue trim and racing strips). it's the only jug I fly and a ride I take often.
Ratio's Pengie skin is awesome! Also, it's a great tribute to a great Polish pilot - Mike Gladych. The guy almost shot down a transport carrying Winston Churchill :noid He also met LW's Eder in combat on several occasions (claims to anyway :lol).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boleslaw_Gladych
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Ratio's Pengie skin is awesome!
I looked for that skin but did not see it albeit I have quite a few.. Is it a special download?
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I looked for that skin but did not see it albeit I have quite a few.. Is it a special download?
No sir - it should download automatically. It was submitted by Ratio and added in October.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,353395.0.html
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No sir - it should download automatically. It was submitted by Ratio and added in October.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,353395.0.html
Thanks for the Link. That is one fine skin. BTW do you find the D11 has better E retention than the other Jugs?
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Thanks for the Link. That is one fine skin. BTW do you find the D11 has better E retention than the other Jugs?
Nope. Doesn't seem to recover as much without the paddle prop.
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Thanks for the Link. That is one fine skin. BTW do you find the D11 has better E retention than the other Jugs?
All of them are similar in that regard. As stated already, the M is the best MA jug because of that MOTOR :rock. I am just a dweeb that loves the D11.
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:airplane: The D-11 is a great plane for a number of reasons. Most people see a jug and think it's an easy kill (but LilMak and the reformed 56th FG are changing that). Once they see you are in a D-11 they will pounce on you. In the right hands the D-11 can out fly most other planes. You can force an overshoot easily and get a good burst into the dope you should have thought twice. :cheers: