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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: dirtdart on October 28, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
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Good day.
My X52 finally died after 8 years of use..... I am looking at the 65F, any thoughts? As far as recommendations go I am thinking about split throttles, mostly because I was unable to toggle throttles like I used to with the clutch, following one of the updates.
Thank you.
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lol my last x52 is still going strong after 6 month's can't imagine 8 years. i've had 4 in the past 5 years.
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My CH gear is 8 yrs old. Just getting worn in :devil
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My CH gear is 8 yrs old. Just getting worn in :devil
yeah buy one today, see if you think they same way.
semp
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Yep. 3 X52's in 6 years. Currently using one that is cobbled together from all three sticks parts...little tape, little glue, and a soldering iron. :)
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I'm currently using the X-52 Pro. It's excellent!
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I find they last longer if they don't get pulled off the desk frequently....
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My CH gear is 8 yrs old. Just getting worn in :devil
my last Ch was working ok, 8-9 years; I abused it bad, punch it when Paccer used to kill my missun goon and I got mad, stirred it, flood it with beer and coffee; few months ago some button i use for views failed and I got a new same CH fighterstick, ; it's gone in 4-5 months; and I didn't play much. looks like they don't build this Ch same quality anymore.
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My X52 pro lasted 2 weeks or so.
Well done making that one last
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CH....owns all
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If you like the idea of the X65 look in classifieds...I posted my TM Cougar with the FSSB force sensing mod...same idea as the X65.
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A Thrustmaster Hotas is working well for me.
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looks like they don't build this Ch same quality anymore.
Besides you and semp, I heard the same from someone else not long ago. That would be a shame as CH has been the gold standard for years now.
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My CH is 3 years old now.. The only failure is the hat switch on the throttle.
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i am on my second X52 i love it my first one lasted 3 years and the hat switch for the views went bad.. but i dont use the x52 throttle so i dont know how weak it is but far as the stick :aok
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My X52 is going on to about 7 years now. :noid :uhoh
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Man... sold out across the US. Anyone try the 65f? I need a twisty, I gave my rudder pedals away, never figured them out.
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don't buy a X65F, its really not suited for WWII simulations.
I had a CH, pots eventually die...and its just too big. I currently use a T16000 but If I had the money and actually played the game I'd get the thrustmaster warthog
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I'd like to have 2 X52s so I could c.h.i.t. on one and cover it up with the other. :old:
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posted my experience of the X65F here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,277914.msg3979789.html#msg3979789
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Had the X-65f.. sold it after a year or so.. just not the correct feeling in it (actually no feeling at all in it.. it doesn't move). Now I have the TM HOTAS Warthog. This thing is a beast. It's been just about a year with it now and I still don't have everything mapped on it. Super smooth, precise and does everything I want.
I still hit the ground in low turns (Hitech's conspiracy), miss the red guys, get shot down (they must have a H word cause that's the only way someone could shoot me down) but now I know it's that stuff and not the controller. :devil
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Besides you and semp, I heard the same from someone else not long ago. That would be a shame as CH has been the gold standard for years now.
Rolex and I were talking some time back about CH gear. He lives in Japan and when he bought a CH set-up the first two were defective. He said he thought the returned CH gear from the States was shipped to Asia for resale there. Don't know what he based that on. If you're ordering through Ebay and the seller is in Asia, you might be getting some of this stuff. I had to buy a new set-up after a faulty powered USB hub fried them, and the quality is still great.
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Thanks for the feedback, struggling to find a twisty with separate throttle. HOTAS looks great, but I sucked with rudder pedals.
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My X52 is still working after 4 years. Only missing the "C" button, somehow my dog chewed it off. :joystick:
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yeah buy one today, see if you think they same way.
semp
I bought a completely new CH HOTAS set to keep at work last April, not one single problem with them just like the ones I've been using at home for the last 10 years.
ack-ack
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Thanks for the feedback, struggling to find a twisty with separate throttle. HOTAS looks great, but I sucked with rudder pedals.
here ya go... http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Playstation-3/dp/B001CXYMFS (http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Playstation-3/dp/B001CXYMFS)
(http://gizmeup.com/images/detailed/21/gz701009_Thrustmaster_T_Flight_Hotas_X_PC_PS3_3.jpg)
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Man... sold out across the US. Anyone try the 65f? I need a twisty, I gave my rudder pedals away, never figured them out.
That explains why you are angry all the time :banana:
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I bought a completely new CH HOTAS set to keep at work last April, not one single problem with them just like the ones I've been using at home for the last 10 years.
ack-ack
Good to know when replacement time comes around.
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Still have a working x45 throttle and one x-52 throttle that's waiting for its turn. I combined the X45 with thrustmaster t.16000 and saitek pro pedals. If you still have a working throttle with that x-52, don't go swimming in to strange waters. Just buy the stick part. You can combine the two in all of the major flight simulators. In Aces High it's particularily easy.
The Thrustmaster T.16000 turned out to be quite something - I no longer grave for the old MS FFB2 that was my ole war horse since the days of European Air War. And it is CHEAP considering it's built on hall-sensors.
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i am on my second X52 i love it my first one lasted 3 years and the hat switch for the views went bad.. but i dont use the x52 throttle so i dont know how weak it is but far as the stick :aok
Same here...
My X52 throttle started getting glitchy so I bought a CH throttle and have been quite happy. I want to go with a Ch Fighterstick, but there aren't enough buttons for me so I will stick with m x52 till it dies....
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My X52 throttle is about 7 years old and I have it twinned with a CH combat stick. The x52 throttle has more functionality than the CH throttle and a full X52 rig costs the same as a CH throttle. So after a few years when the X52 stick starts to test the fidelity of the Hall effect transducers replace just the stick with CH.
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i've never had a problem with the x-52 throttle--just the stick--the throttle's are great. :joystick:
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if you want a twisty and already have a throttle then It's a no brainer, get a T16000. Best budget stick ever.
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How does if feel compared to 3d Pro
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How does if feel compared to 3d Pro
the T16000 is a digital (hall sensors) stick, so it's got near perfect precision, even after years. In the aces high control settings you can actually stick to a value from - 65536 to +65536, if your hand is steady the value will be steady. the 3D pro is known to be super imprecise only after a couple months. that said I met very good pilots (DrBone comes to mind) that were using the 3D pro.
the T16000's downsides are imo:
- the 8 way view thingy on top is a bit slippery, I had to dent mine with a knife to improve the grip with the thumb
- I know someone who bought one, and the 3rd axis stopped working pretty quick. Never had a problem with mines, but I don't use the 3rd axis
- the twist can't be locked centered for pedal users
- the spring to keep the stick centered is a bit tense, so prolonged use (5 hours+) can get tiring
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I'm still flying mouse.... Joystick was cheap and beat up after DCS-A10C. I have been flying mouse for (most) of my AH addiction... Need a joystick. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,354618.0.html
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do they still make the 1600? It seems to be out of stock or "usually ships in XXX" in the places I've looked.
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Just started my 11th year in the game last month, and I'm still using my original Saitek X-45 with the Saitek rudder pedals. (Originally had CH pedals, but they started not working properly, so I replaced them with the Saitek version. I tried the CH stick for awhile a few years ago, but it would not stay calibrated so I went back to my Saitek.
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do they still make the 1600? It seems to be out of stock or "usually ships in XXX" in the places I've looked.
From the Thrustmaster website "Where to buy" http://www.simw.com/all/t-16000m.html (http://www.simw.com/all/t-16000m.html) say "yes" for market availability. Who knows?
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Thanks gents, I am down for the count until my new one comes in. Was flying this am, button un binding, losing calibration in flight, not going through that anymore. I ordered a x52 , not the pro, was all I could find. :salute
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Thanks gents, I am down for the count until my new one comes in. Was flying this am, button un binding, losing calibration in flight, not going through that anymore. I ordered a x52 , not the pro, was all I could find. :salute
lol why ask for opinions then, if you wanted the exact same from the start :rolleyes:
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the T16000 is a digital (hall sensors) stick, so it's got near perfect precision, even after years. In the aces high control settings you can actually stick to a value from - 65536 to +65536, if your hand is steady the value will be steady. the 3D pro is known to be super imprecise only after a couple months. that said I met very good pilots (DrBone comes to mind) that were using the 3D pro.
the T16000's downsides are imo:
- the 8 way view thingy on top is a bit slippery, I had to dent mine with a knife to improve the grip with the thumb
- I know someone who bought one, and the 3rd axis stopped working pretty quick. Never had a problem with mines, but I don't use the 3rd axis
- the twist can't be locked centered for pedal users
- the spring to keep the stick centered is a bit tense, so prolonged use (5 hours+) can get tiring
Was a nice stick, very stable. But as you say, the rudder started spiking after 2 weeks.
I've had a MSFFB2 for over a year now and its the best stick i've ever used.
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lol why ask for opinions then, if you wanted the exact same from the start :rolleyes:
Generally because I trust the people in this forum. There may have been other stick out there in had never heard of, such as the t16000, which I looked at in detail.
I would have bought the x65, but you seemed not to like it, along with some other folks. So while yes I did end up getting another x52 it was not without careful deliberation on the pros and cons articulated by the participants of this thread, whose input I respect and appreciate.
The x52 has enough easy to reach button that in either a gv or ac I do not have to touch the keyboard, which is a huge factor for me and the primary reason why I bought another. I liked the thrustmaster, but not a twisty and having tried and failed miserably (in fact gave them to a fellow ahr) wit rudder peddles, it was not an option.
Again thanks all.
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My microsoft stick is 15 years old. :neener:
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the T16000 is a digital (hall sensors) stick, so it's got near perfect precision, even after years. In the aces high control settings you can actually stick to a value from - 65536 to +65536, if your hand is steady the value will be steady. the 3D pro is known to be super imprecise only after a couple months. that said I met very good pilots (DrBone comes to mind) that were using the 3D pro.
the T16000's downsides are imo:
- the 8 way view thingy on top is a bit slippery, I had to dent mine with a knife to improve the grip with the thumb
- I know someone who bought one, and the 3rd axis stopped working pretty quick. Never had a problem with mines, but I don't use the 3rd axis
- the twist can't be locked centered for pedal users
- the spring to keep the stick centered is a bit tense, so prolonged use (5 hours+) can get tiring
Those very good pilots were probably talking about the microsoft 3d pro, not the saitek 3d pro. The microsoft simply doesn't spike, best X and Y axis ever marketed, like I said, 15 years and I've never calibrated it. I've bought much more expensive sticks but I always go back to the ms sidewinder, in the case of the x45 I went back the same day. I've been telling myself for years that when my ms wears out I'm going to buy CH, damn thing won't wear out. When it comes to flight sim gear, manufacturers think we are idiots, you definitely don't get what you pay for. Most gaming gear is designed to fail. I've yet to find a headset that will last a whole year, and my last 3 were $100+ headsets.
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They think flight simmers are chumps. This illustrates my point, it's a metal bracket that clamps to a desk and you can set things on it, for example your joystick. Anybody care to guess how much it costs? $140.00
(http://www.simhq.com/_technology3/images/technology_188a_001.jpg)
I guess you could paint it white so that it matches your $1500 Simulator Chair that's made out of pvc pipe.
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Those very good pilots were probably talking about the microsoft 3d pro, not the saitek 3d pro. The microsoft simply doesn't spike, best X and Y axis ever marketed, like I said, 15 years and I've never calibrated it. I've bought much more expensive sticks but I always go back to the ms sidewinder, in the case of the x45 I went back the same day. I've been telling myself for years that when my ms wears out I'm going to buy CH, damn thing won't wear out. When it comes to flight sim gear, manufacturers think we are idiots, you definitely don't get what you pay for. Most gaming gear is designed to fail. I've yet to find a headset that will last a whole year, and my last 3 were $100+ headsets.
it was the logitech 3D pro, which is terrible. The stick doesn't make the pilot, but it helps.