Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hoarach on October 29, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
-
Anyone else think this is impressive? Size of the USS Arizona, but an ugly SOB.
Just out of hindsight, why the hell does the US Navy need a stealth destroyer. What navy out there could compete with the US navy right now. Granted China is closing in on technology but no where near the size in terms of numbers.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/29/bigger-faster-deadlier-navy-launches-new-stealth-destroyer/?hpt=hp_inthenews
-
It's interesting.
-
When a single ship can shrug off any inbound anti-ship missile, evade detection from enemy ships and aircraft, and yet send the most lethal combination of firepower against enemy ships even seen, I think that means something.
I am surprised they still called it a "destroyer", when in fact it will perform more like a cruiser/frigate. It is no escort ship and it certainly isn't going to be chasing corvettes and other small ships around regional waters as "destroyers" were intended to do. It will be interesting to see how it is deployed, meaning if it is like the Royal Navy and the US sends it out on its own, or will it a part of a carrier group. Time will tell. I'm just glad it is on our side. :D
-
If it's not going to be a support ship in a formation... Why don't they just make it go under water? :cheers:
-
Yippee a new way kill each other. :rolleyes:
-
When a single ship can shrug off any inbound anti-ship missile, evade detection from enemy ships and aircraft, and yet send the most lethal combination of firepower against enemy ships even seen, I think that means something.
I am surprised they still called it a "destroyer", when in fact it will perform more like a cruiser/frigate. It is no escort ship and it certainly isn't going to be chasing corvettes and other small ships around regional waters as "destroyers" were intended to do. It will be interesting to see how it is deployed, meaning if it is like the Royal Navy and the US sends it out on its own, or will it a part of a carrier group. Time will tell. I'm just glad it is on our side. :D
Modern frigates are smaller than destroyers, and are typically dedicated escort vessels. Indeed, the Navy's now venerable Oliver Hazard Perry class of frigates were primarily intended to be convoy escorts during the Cold War. They had neither the range nor the speed to regularly operate with the carrier groups. The Zumwalt is definitely in the cruiser class, from a size perspective. It will likely be able to operate with carrier groups, but I would expect it to operate independently, as well. There's not much point being stealthy if you're sitting just a few miles from something like a carrier, which has the radar cross-section of a small planetoid. Moreover, it quite obviously capable of taking care of threats above, on, or below the water. The mention of UAVs also means it might be a good choice for supporting special forces, but it appears to be primarily a blue-water combatant. The Navy is building a whole different class of small combat craft for littoral operations, one that is more along the lines of a shallow-water frigate in size and capabilities.
-
Looks like this thing that is sitting in Auckland harbour right now
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/9198359/350m-superyacht-arrives-in-Auckland
-
There's not much point being stealthy if you're sitting just a few miles from something like a carrier...
There is not much point in being a surface combatant of you're not protecting a carrier or other surface assets. If it's supposed to go do stuff on its own, why not just make it go under the water?
-
Saber is probably right that is going to do a lot of special forces tasks especially with the ability to launch UAVs.
-
It's a ship... A pretty big one... It can't operate in daylight close to hostile shores and hope to remain undetected. Unless it also has an invisibility cloak it isn't stealthy at all compared to a submarine.
-
(http://www.picshag.com/pics/092010/philadelphia-experiment-20.jpg)
-
:rofl
-
(http://www.picshag.com/pics/092010/philadelphia-experiment-20.jpg)
OK. So you got me. Where is the ship.
-
Just out of hindsight, why the hell does the US Navy need a stealth destroyer. What navy out there could compete with the US navy right now.
For now, maybe. But history has proven repeatedly that when you get complacent, someone comes out with something bigger and better.
-
There's not much point being stealthy if you're sitting just a few miles from something like a carrier, which has the radar cross-section of a small planetoid.
Actually, I think that would be a pretty good tactic. While you are busy shooting at the great big ship, some stealth ship is sitting there swatting your missiles. :neener: :lol
-
Zumwalt class is nothing more than a technology demonstrator with operational capabilities. It is going to be used to demonstrate the feasibility new hull design ideas, propulsion technology, weapons technology, and detection minimization. It also is going to lead the change from large ship groups to single or low number operations.
-
Zumwalt class is nothing more than a technology demonstrator with operational capabilities. It is going to be used to demonstrate the feasibility new hull design ideas, propulsion technology, weapons technology, and detection minimization. It also is going to lead the change from large ship groups to single or low number operations.
Well, it probably is to a certain extent; every new class is, to a certain extent. But remember; they originally planned to build 12 of these, which makes it more than a simply technology demonstrator. Zumwalt represents a move to provide the USN a force projection capability that does not revolve around a carrier (an asset type that is shrinking in numbers). As for why they don't just use a sub, it's because there are still lots of missions, both military and non-military, that modern subs are ill-suited for. The tin-can navy has seen, and will continue to see, far more action of all kinds than the subs do. And Mongoose, it's only stealthy until it activates active sensors; then in glows in the dark!
-
The first of the class will have a different propulsion system than the following two. Beyond cost, the realization that this is a technology demonstrator and that a better ship is in the works are why there will only be three.
-
Originally 32 ships were planned, with the $9.6 billion research and development costs spread across the class, but as the quantity was reduced to 10, then 3, the cost-per-ship increased dramatically. The cost increase caused the U.S. Navy to identify the program as being in breach of the Nunn–McCurdy Amendment on 1 February 2010.
-
Yippee a new way kill each other. :rolleyes:
aint that the sad truth
-
Captain Kirk will be in command so thats a plus. Ugly mf tho. Looks like a cross between a moniter and a WW1 Dreadnought.
-
Originally 32 ships were planned, with the $9.6 billion research and development costs spread across the class, but as the quantity was reduced to 10, then 3, the cost-per-ship increased dramatically. The cost increase caused the U.S. Navy to identify the program as being in breach of the Nunn–McCurdy Amendment on 1 February 2010.
Milo, The only reason it was in breach of Nunn-McCurdy is because the realized the technology projections were not going to be mature during the production run of the ship, thus the Secretary of Defense could not defend it before Congress.
The "32" number is being pushed down the road as the Zumwalt class is to be nothing more than a deployable technology demonstrator. Plain and simple.
-
and the captain is James Kirk :O
-
Something such as this can extend the range of our coastal defense. Possibly intercepting incoming, farther from our shores. We should never place all our eggs in 1 basket, having a wide variety of possible defense capabilities is more desirable.
I would rather spend my tax dollars on this, than life time health care for members of congress.
-
Something such as this can extend the range of our coastal defense. Possibly intercepting incoming, farther from our shores. We should never place all our eggs in 1 basket, having a wide variety of possible defense capabilities is more desirable.
I would rather spend my tax dollars on this, than life time health care for members of congress.
Incoming what? Its primary mission is Land Attack.
-
Yippee a new way kill each other. :rolleyes:
:aok
-
Yippee a new way kill each other. :rolleyes:
All we are saying, is give peace a chance
All we are saying, is give peace a chance
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/9-11plane_zps929a6dc4.jpg)
-
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/9-11plane_zps929a6dc4.jpg)
Yep I can see how the stealth destroyer could have prevented that from happening.
-
Yep I can see how the stealth destroyer could have prevented that from happening.
Indeed. Terrorism doesnt occur in a vacuum. It has always been sponsored by States whom are not only hostile to America but well armed as well. I wont name them, we arent allowed to venture into politics. But somewhere in the deep recesses of their little minds lies a fear of the conventional power of the US military. Many have been sent to their God by the use of some of the systems that will be found on DDS. Hostile countries think twice before supplying advanced arms to terrorists out of fear of what we might unleash on them.
While its a stretch to link 9/11 to military ship building the point I was making was a weak Military equals a weak America. Which means a weak free world. I bet most got that. Most of all we who have been out in the world, under arms, and know whats out there.
A single Iowa class BB off their shores made the Iraqi's crap goat milk during Gulf-1. DDS will make any future terror sponsoring state crap the same kinda milk, only more of it and from a different goat, cause its far more powerful and precise then Iowa. As well as having the RCS of the USS Minnow with Gilligan on board. Eventually it's future Hulls will sport rail gun and Laser tech.
Its the USN thats the big stick on the worlds oceans. And the fear of it made the states who quietly let Al Qaeda operate, raise money and troops, think twice about their policies. We havnt really unleashed it in 68 years and I wouldnt want to be on the receiving end when we do because now we do it with a CEP of 5 meters, up to 1,000 miles inland, with a success rate of at least 95%.
-
Indeed. Terrorism doesnt occur in a vacuum. It has always been sponsored by States whom are not only hostile to America but well armed as well. I wont name them, we arent allowed to venture into politics. But somewhere in the deep recesses of their little minds lies a fear of the conventional power of the US military. Many have been sent to their God by the use of some of the systems that will be found on DDS. Hostile countries think twice before supplying advanced arms to terrorists out of fear of what we might unleash on them.
While its a stretch to link 9/11 to military ship building the point I was making was a weak Military equals a weak America. Which means a weak free world. I bet most got that. Most of all we who have been out in the world, under arms, and know whats out there.
A single Iowa class BB off their shores made the Iraqi's crap goat milk during Gulf-1. DDS will make any future terror sponsoring state crap the same kinda milk, only more of it and from a different goat, cause its far more powerful and precise then Iowa. As well as having the RCS of the USS Minnow with Gilligan on board. Eventually it's future Hulls will sport rail gun and Laser tech.
Its the USN thats the big stick on the worlds oceans. And the fear of it made the states who quietly let Al Qaeda operate, raise money and troops, think twice about their policies. We havnt really unleashed it in 68 years and I wouldnt want to be on the receiving end when we do because now we do it with a CEP of 5 meters, up to 1,000 miles inland, with a success rate of at least 95%.
Actually it's just the opposite. The way US has been 'world policeing' around has created animosity against it and the little people fight back the way they can. If the US would have let the other world be you wouldn't have any problems with terrorists right now (my personal guess).
-
This thread is gettINg dangerously close to a lock-down.
-
You know, if we gave this idiots the chance to slug it out, they might not derail every whoopee cool topic. Stick 'em in the rubber room.
Rich, posting that picture is disrespectful, and unnecessary, and completely uncalled for.
-
You know, if we gave this idiots the chance to slug it out, they might not derail every whoopee cool topic. Stick 'em in the rubber room.
Rich, posting that picture is disrespectful, and unnecessary, and completely uncalled for.
Kid I have absolutely zero respect for you or anything you say or think.
All you are is a troll that occasionally pops up to run your mouth in the occasional one liner.
-
Kid I have absolutely zero respect for you or anything you say or think.
All you are is a troll that occasionally pops up to run your mouth in the occasional one liner.
Don't then ... but he nailed it, from what I saw.
-
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/9-11plane_zps929a6dc4.jpg)
Terrorism is nothing new. Gavrilo Princip and his fellow terrorist conspirators helped fuel two world wars. Osama started two more. Terrorism will always exist as long as the world responds in the same predictable manner.
-
Actually it's just the opposite. The way US has been 'world policeing' around has created animosity against it and the little people fight back the way they can. If the US would have let the other world be you wouldn't have any problems with terrorists right now (my personal guess).
Yeah and since America become a super power freedom and Democracy have flourished for the first time in Human History and the world has been World War free for over 70 years.
And were supposed to feel guilty because a bunch of tribal savages have decided to go global with their centuries old hatred? The "Little people" and exactly WTF are they?
GD! you have to explain the simplest things to brain washed people.
-
I think the only one here that is 'brain washed' would be you, Rich.
-
(http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4806516279345494&pid=15.1)
-
Yeah and since America become a super power freedom and Democracy have flourished for the first time in Human History and the world has been World War free for over 70 years.
We havent been spreading democracy and the United States itself is not a democracy. I hate when people say this. The United States is a republic and has been spreading the republic form of government to these countries that have had dictators removed from power.
-
We havent been spreading democracy and the United States itself is not a democracy. I hate when people say this. The United States is a republic and has been spreading the republic form of government to these countries that have had dictators removed from power.
You say that like its a bad thing.
-
I could of swore this thread was about a stealth warship. :headscratch:
-
I could of swore this thread was about a stealth warship. :headscratch:
And there you can see how stealthy it really is: It doesn't even appear in this thread anymore... :noid
-
lol
-
Actually it's just the opposite. The way US has been 'world policeing' around has created animosity against it and the little people fight back the way they can. If the US would have let the other world be you wouldn't have any problems with terrorists right now (my personal guess).
Our 'policing' of the world has little do with current attitudes about the United States. Our historical association with Israel is the catalyst that pitched the Muslim world against us from the very beginning.
To be blunt, I'd rather police the world now instead of filling body bags with civilians on the home soil later. Unfortunately, the hatred and religious narrow mindedness makes the struggle of winning the conflict next to impossible to be completed.
-
(http://fingercandymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/dead-end-ahead2.jpg)
-
Yeah and since America become a super power freedom and Democracy have flourished for the first time in Human History and the world has been World War free for over 70 years.
And were supposed to feel guilty because a bunch of tribal savages have decided to go global with their centuries old hatred? The "Little people" and exactly WTF are they?
GD! you have to explain the simplest things to brain washed people.
The real democracy happened in Greece. What you have is parlamentarism where the one who has the most money lobbies things in their favour. It is REAL far from a real democracy. It seems that you're the brainwashed one if you fail to see the misery the 'freedom' trips have caused in Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan, Iraq etc. The vast majority of the people living on those areas think that their life was better before the war was brought to them - even if they were ruled by dictators. Even in Afganistan things haven't really improved at all. Now the women have begun to have some hope but the attitude of the general population is just as sick as ever and they acid, poison or shoot the ones who have the odassity to do something daring such as, say, to go to school.
You would have helped these people the best by investing 0,01% of the funds you spent attacking the country into helping these people to migrate away from there. It would have given them free meals, room and board for the rest of their lives :)
But as you're brainwashed and believe the propaganda Haliburton etc. are feeding you, you fail to see that all these 'freedom' campaigns are nothing but cash cows for your countrys elite. Dick Cheney is one of the biggest gainers of these conflicts and nobody questions how he can still participate in the decision making process?
You talk about brainwashing - it's time to look in the mirror.
-
The real democracy happened in Greece. What you have is parlamentarism where the one who has the most money lobbies things in their favour. It is REAL far from a real democracy. It seems that you're the brainwashed one if you fail to see the misery the 'freedom' trips have caused in Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan, Iraq etc. The vast majority of the people living on those areas think that their life was better before the war was brought to them - even if they were ruled by dictators. Even in Afganistan things haven't really improved at all. Now the women have begun to have some hope but the attitude of the general population is just as sick as ever and they acid, poison or shoot the ones who have the odassity to do something daring such as, say, to go to school.
You would have helped these people the best by investing 0,01% of the funds you spent attacking the country into helping these people to migrate away from there. It would have given them free meals, room and board for the rest of their lives :)
But as you're brainwashed and believe the propaganda Haliburton etc. are feeding you, you fail to see that all these 'freedom' campaigns are nothing but cash cows for your countrys elite. Dick Cheney is one of the biggest gainers of these conflicts and nobody questions how he can still participate in the decision making process?
You talk about brainwashing - it's time to look in the mirror.
Lol, I think you'v seen to many Hollywood movies. http://www.history.com/topics/ancient-greece-democracy
However, the “equality” Herodotus described was limited to a small segment of the Athenian population. For example, in Athens in the middle of the 4th century there were about 100,000 citizens (Athenian citizenship was limited to men and women whose parents had also been Athenian citizens), about 10,000 metoikoi, or “resident foreigners” and 150,000 slaves. Out of all those people, only male citizens who were older than 18 were a part of the demos, meaning only about 40,000 people could participate in the democratic process.
Sure as long as you werent a slave you'd be one of about 40,000 "free" people in the world at the time. :lol
Your funny.
I was really going to let this guys ridiculous "little people" statement go, and would have, except for the fact not only of my own 18 mos experience in the ME but I also just read a new book at what the Soviets did to eastern Europe after WW2, most of all Poland, and what the Reds would have done to the rest of the world had not a counter been in place all those long decades. What about those "little people" or the millions, billions who grew up free generation after generation in Europe and Asia?
Were not in Afghanistan to spread welfare checks and Obama care to the people there, tho peace and prosperity would be nice for the Afghans its up to them to find it. And I doubt they will. We are there to keep an enemy who attacked our civilians numerous times from having their own country to train, arm, and export their philosophy of hatred towards other religions and peoples.
HELLO!
I have to leave this now cause the Red line was crossed, tho not first by me. I just couldnt let this one go cause Im sick of hearing this dogma, and the making of exuses for low life racist murder'ers.
-
Lol, I think you'v seen to many Hollywood movies. http://www.history.com/topics/ancient-greece-democracy
Sure as long as you werent a slave you'd be one of about 40,000 "free" people in the world at the time. :lol
Your funny.
Sorry bud. That was democracy. The state happened to be one city i.e. 40 000 strong. You have parlamentalism where citizens do not have any direct control on the actions of the government. Corporations have a lot of power through money, a single citizen has close to zero impact on anything.
I was really going to let this guys ridiculous "little people" statement go, and would have, except for the fact not only of my own 18 mos experience in the ME but I also just read a new book at what the Soviets did to eastern Europe after WW2, most of all Poland, and what the Reds would have done to the rest of the world had not a counter been in place all those long decades. What about those "little people" or the millions, billions who grew up free generation after generation in Europe and Asia?
You're confusing post WW2 world to pre-ww2 world. After WW2 every 'liberation' mission has failed miserably.
Were not in Afghanistan to spread welfare checks and Obama care to the people there, tho peace and prosperity would be nice for the Afghans its up to them to find it. And I doubt they will. We are there to keep an enemy who attacked our civilians numerous times from having their own country to train, arm, and export their philosophy of hatred towards other religions and peoples.
That was the excuse for the mission. In reality it produced nothing but more activism.
I have to leave this now cause the Red line was crossed, tho not first by me. I just couldnt let this one go cause Im sick of hearing this dogma, and the making of exuses for low life racist murder'ers.
If truth hurts you that much, too bad. Actions produce counter actions, where do you think the animosity against your countrymen spawns from all around the world? Bear in mind I'm saying this as a US supporter making observations.