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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rob52240 on October 29, 2013, 10:48:27 PM
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Strange thing happened to me today. I was offered a job and then asked if I used tobacco. I said yes and assumed they were asking to determine my health insurance rate.
They told me that they didn't hire tobacco users and I need to reapply next week and either quit smoking or lie about quitting smoking.
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The smokers at my part time job spend like half their shift on smoke breaks (obviously exaggerating, but less than I'd like)
Seems to be a common theme, I have a friend who picked up smoking just to get smoke breaks all the time
Honestly I don't think I'd hire smokers either
But I'm petty and not a manager
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We have assumed control, we have assumed control.
Seriously though, many companies are going tobacco free for any number of reasons. Quitting is not only good for you, but will set you free in so many other ways. If you don't want to quit then flip them the bird and live your life how you want to while you still can. Being an ex smoker (seven years in February) I understand the enjoyment of tobacco use as well as the misery.
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Some hospitals are telling clinical nursing/med students to go elsewhere if they use nicotine. Med programs for clinicals are now including nicotine in the drug screen...
Legalized discrimination.
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I smoked for 20 years. Admitting this avoids hiprcracy.
Having that said, it was becoming obvious to me that employers were being both covert and overt in discriminating against smokers.
Illegal? Both yes and no. You may not be told that is the reason but when I quit myself smoking--being in the company of smoker was obvious beyond belief.
Did I lose out on gigs? Maybe. In radio, ratings rule, and air talent's small sins were overlooked if they could generate big ratings. For other kinds of business they look at smokers as being an anchor--sinking the company in costs by being a business loss by jacking up their insurance costs in Health and Life.
Don't get me wrong--I LIKED smoking. It was a bad habit but I didn't mind.
After my grandchild was born it was a different story.
Bordering on COPD, I wanted my grandchild to have a fun grandaddy and not seeing him dead in a casket as a child. I used the patch and quit. Easy? Not after the first week. The patch was AWESOME.
Id rather have met you at your birthday party than your funeral. PLEASE QUIT
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Yes smokers like complaining and taking more breaks than non smokers :rofl
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I smoked for almost 20 years at least a pack a day. a few years back i was given welbutrin for depression. it didnt help with depression but I havent smoked since then. when I told a couple of other guys at work they all went to their doctor got some of it and 2 or 3 weeks later they had all quit. none of them are back smoking. I"ll have an occasional cigarette but when i do I always wonder what the f was the attraction to it.
our company is now smoke free, guys who smoked at work never bothered me even after I had quit. it's the damn chewing tobacco nasty mf that really gross me out. specially when they leave their cups all over the office at the mill. now that is disgusting.
semp
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Being a life-long non-smoker I've sometimes been in a situation where the person servicing me has just had a cig. "HHHHWhat cHHHHan HHHHI do HHHfor HHHHyou, HHHsir?" -Please, could you stop breathing and change your clothes after you've had a proper shower...
Don't get me wrong, though. There are smokers and there are smokers. Even at school I often spent the breaks with the smokers behind the corner and have been continuing the habit at parties where people go out for a smoke. No way for me going into a dedicated smoker's room, though.
But when dealing with customers or patients, you can never tell whether the next one is heavily asthmatic. No smoke, no perfume, no pet hair/dust in your working clothes may save your job from a million dollar sue.
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Yes smokers like complaining and taking more breaks than non smokers :rofl
Somebody give that kid a promotion, he is obviously wise far beyond his years.
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Legalized discrimination.
it's proof that you can't fix stupid and it's going to get worse. the police state is slowly materializing.
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I smoked and dipped snuff for about 18yrs...I quit both this year...Do I want to smoke and dip?...Yes....That being said, I am a construction worker and an employer...Am I going to not hire a hand just because they smoke or dip?...Hell no....It's none of my business what an employee does, especially at home...of course I am probably in the minority of bosses when it comes to things like that...now if it effects their duties...you run them off...
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Being a life-long non-smoker I've sometimes been in a situation where the person servicing me has just had a cig. "HHHHWhat cHHHHan HHHHI do HHHfor HHHHyou, HHHsir?" -Please, could you stop breathing and change your clothes after you've had a proper shower...
You need to quit getting serviced in the alley outside the biker bar, problem solved.
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If i get angry at the person serving me because I feel they smell offensively (for any reason) am i allowed to demand they not serve me? Not in most cases. Just because I don't like a particular scent doesn't mean i'm somehow entitled to impose my views on them...
Give that server a cigarette and somehow I'm morally correct and superior in belittling that person. I don't get it.
Also LOVE hearing, "smokers never work"...
RUBBISH! To me, that's akin to saying that Jerry is always going to the bathroom for insulin injections, how come I can't take time off like him!? Whaaa! Poor me!
Welcome to 2013: The louder you complain and if you can do it on a soap box of moral superiority then you're right and nobody can say anything against it without being cast as morally/intellectually inferior ... YOU MUST BE LIKE ME!!!!!! Crusades anyone?
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Smokers get the same breaks as non smokers. Fifteen in the morning half hour at lunch. Need more then get a different job. Abide by the same rules and it matters naught to me if you smoke or not.
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Yeah, I quit smoking at work 4 years ago, not because I had too just that I was usually up against a deadline of some type and didn't want to break stride. Now I can go all day without but as soon as I get home I light up a smoke. If you see no smokers spots outside a company you know that smoking will be frowned upon. Sucks that you're being discriminated against but smoke free workplaces seem to be the way the world is heading.
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I quit a 30 year 2 pack a day habit about 12 years ago, and now at work I see smokers getting a 15 minute break every hour while I only get one a day. Maybe I should start again.
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Some hospitals are telling clinical nursing/med students to go elsewhere if they use nicotine. Med programs for clinicals are now including nicotine in the drug screen...
Legalized discrimination.
This exact thing happened at my school they trying say as a medical school that its tobacco free. Bunch of nonsense considering how stressful exams can be its nice to smoke a cigar during a break. Know some students that smoke a pipe. Ridiculous for the school to send an email out reminding students not to smoke, not like its going change anything.
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This exact thing happened at my school they trying say as a medical school that its tobacco free. Bunch of nonsense considering how stressful exams can be its nice to smoke a cigar during a break. Know some students that smoke a pipe. Ridiculous for the school to send an email out reminding students not to smoke, not like its going change anything.
If you can't handle the stress of an exam, you probably shouldn't be in any sort of situation where another person's health and, consequently life, depend on you.
My pennies in.
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Smoking has many side effects. These include the physical side effects on your lungs, but also the social side effects that a lot of people won't want to be around you. This includes the fact that an employer may prefer an employee that doesn't have to take a break every hour or two, or get antsy and petulant if they don't, over one that does.
You choose to smoke, no one chooses to be black or a woman or whatever. That's not discrimination. That's choosing to not hire someone who has a habit that forces you to make special considerations for them, or less fit for their job.
You wouldn't hire someone who has a ton of traffic tickets to be a bus driver.
You probably would prefer to not work with someone who walks around with crap in their pants all day. Lots of people, and increasingly many all the time, would prefer not to work with someone who smells like stale tobacco all day.
I have a cigar now and then (in very limited situations because I don't enjoy smelling like cigar) and even a once in a while a cigarette when I'm drinking, but if you think that people should put up with habits that effect your daily routine, then that's due to a sense of entitlement that you're just going to have to deal with no one else caring about.
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Welcome to the world. Companies are pushing health policies to reduce their healthcare obligations.
Our company started with asking them to smoke off the offices property and then stopped hiring anyone that smokes. I don’t believe they drug screen for it but the policy is there.
They are also pushing healthier lifestyles now like discounts to your healthcare if you get annual exams and join a gym. They have even banned junk foods in the vending machines.
Employers have decided to do their own part to reduce healthcare costs and employee sick time
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I want to know where these jobs are that let smokers have extra break time. When I smoked, and even after I quit every employer I ever had gave the smokers and non smokers the same amount of breaks.
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Legalized discrimination.
Discrimination, from a legal standpoint, focuses on things the person has no control over. You chose to smoke and can chose not to smoke.
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I quit smoking over a decade and a half ago. On 911, I smoked a box. I was trapped in Manhattan and watching the attacks, I could only sit in a bar, drinking and smoking, until I was allowed to travel home.
I lost a brother to a form of lung cancer, attributed directly to smoking. He died at age 47. By the time the doctors got done with him, he could not wipe his own arse. When his insurance ran out, the health care industry ran out. After all it was his own fault, yes.......................... ....
Nicotine is a poison, 1 pin head of pure nicotine will kill you.
I feel better physically and my wallet is heavier. NYC cig tax forces cigs to over $8/pk. I would advise anyone to quit, I did it cold turkey, only way to go.
Otherwise you do not really want to quit!
Having said all that, I find it ridiculous that business's, the government are interfering in peoples lives. As long as your away from others, no 2nd hand smoke, you should be able to do what you want. Cigs are a legal commodity! Either make them illegal or STFU! The only reason for the hub bub is because the insurance industry and their profit margin. Our society could careless about each others well being, its all about money.
I enjoyed smoking, but I quit on my terms. No outside money grubbing corp, should be allowed to tell you how to live. I'll bet that car exhaust is just as deadly as 2nd hand cig smoke. Yet we still drive.
The constitution of our great nation gives us the right to the pursuit of happiness!
V-VOTE
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Remove career politicians from office, otherwise we get what we deserve, TYRANNY!
I will, sadly, vote for an idiot before I will ever vote for a sitting politician again!
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Discrimination, from a legal standpoint, focuses on things the person has no control over. You chose to smoke and can chose not to smoke.
Can we use the disease model here? It works for AA.
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If you can't handle the stress of an exam, you probably shouldn't be in any sort of situation where another person's health and, consequently life, depend on you.
My pennies in.
You've graduated from a nursing school or med school?
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Can we use the disease model here? It works for AA.
wow you compare being drunk to smoking, that's the same right? smoke a cigarette and can get a DUI.
semp
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wow you compare being drunk to smoking, that's the same right? smoke a cigarette and can get a DUI.
semp
No I wouldn't compare them. Neither are diseases that one is powerless over.
It was in jest and aimed at the disease model.
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I quit smoking over a decade and a half ago. On 911, I smoked a box. I was trapped in Manhattan and watching the attacks, I could only sit in a bar, drinking and smoking, until I was allowed to travel home.
I lost a brother to a form of lung cancer, attributed directly to smoking. He died at age 47. By the time the doctors got done with him, he could not wipe his own arse. When his insurance ran out, the health care industry ran out. After all it was his own fault, yes.......................... ....
Nicotine is a poison, 1 pin head of pure nicotine will kill you.
I feel better physically and my wallet is heavier. NYC cig tax forces cigs to over $8/pk. I would advise anyone to quit, I did it cold turkey, only way to go.
Otherwise you do not really want to quit!
Having said all that, I find it ridiculous that business's, the government are interfering in peoples lives. As long as your away from others, no 2nd hand smoke, you should be able to do what you want. Cigs are a legal commodity! Either make them illegal or STFU! The only reason for the hub bub is because the insurance industry and their profit margin. Our society could careless about each others well being, its all about money.
I enjoyed smoking, but I quit on my terms. No outside money grubbing corp, should be allowed to tell you how to live. I'll bet that car exhaust is just as deadly as 2nd hand cig smoke. Yet we still drive.
The constitution of our great nation gives us the right to the pursuit of happiness!
V-VOTE
O-OUT
T-the
E- E(i)NCUMBANT
Remove career politicians from office, otherwise we get what we deserve, TYRANNY!
I will, sadly, vote for an idiot before I will ever vote for a sitting politician again!
not sure how this matters, a company is not the government. Unless you want them to create more regulation on how they should choose employees or not choose employees? They offer services to their employees that cost money and have made a decision not to allow those services to increase costs at the rates they were. this is done by creating a healthier workforce.
The only other options i see are to pay the employees less to cover the cost of healthcare, do away with healthcare for everyone, Or be able to do away with healthcare for that one employee.
In the current environment i do not see any other good options.
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someone mentioned police state seeping in......
if it's employers, choosing to hire non-smokers over smokers, and they also include checking for nicotine in their drug testing......i don't see how that's a police state. that is me, or another employer simply making a choice of how they wish to run their busines.
me personally, i don't give a dam one way or the other if one chooses to smoke. just don't blow your smoke in my face.
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Where do is it end?
I'm an employer, who had family members pass away from obesity complications. (EXAMPLE ONLY)
Can I discriminate based on visually perception of health? Can I "drug" test my employees to ensure their cholesterol levels are in check? I mean it would push up my health insurance premiums so i'm justified in hiring based on my perceptions of lifestyle validity, right?
It's a legal commodity that has been proven to produce unhealthy side effects, but it's STILL LEGAL! So stop creeping towards Illegal and make it so or get off my back!
Cheese Burgers and Fries have ALSO been LINKED to health problems, but I can't socially ostracize a fat person and have it be publicly acceptable.... yet.
I can't even choose not to hire that same person (who chooses an unhealthy lifestyle of high cholesterol and fatty foods) because it would be discrimination. Furthermore, most would see this as a non-issue all-together. Why does what I choose to eat, have anything to do with work and hiring....
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Where do is it end?
I'm an employer, who had family members pass away from obesity complications. (EXAMPLE ONLY)
Can I discriminate based on visually perception of health? Can I "drug" test my employees to ensure their cholesterol levels are in check? I mean it would push up my health insurance premiums so i'm justified in hiring based on my perceptions of lifestyle validity, right?
It's a legal commodity that has been proven to produce unhealthy side effects, but it's STILL LEGAL! So stop creeping towards Illegal and make it so or get off my back!
Cheese Burgers and Fries have ALSO been LINKED to health problems, but I can't socially ostracize a fat person and have it be publicly acceptable.... yet.
I can't even choose not to hire that same person (who chooses an unhealthy lifestyle of high cholesterol and fatty foods) because it would be discrimination. Furthermore, most would see this as a non-issue all-together. Why does what I choose to eat, have anything to do with work and hiring....
because as much as you think that what we do doesnt affect our work is not true. for example I was a 2 pack a day smoker for many years. I hardly missed worked but I caught bronchitis several times a year. all due to smoking. I showed up at work but I wasnt able to work as good as if I was healthy. I have quit smoking and I hardly get bronchitis now.
now the problem is my weight and high cholesterol. I walk a lot and do a lot of heavy lifting. my cholesterol medication was making my legs ache and cramp up. if you think being overweight and having high cholesterol wont affect your work then you are dreaming.
companies are pushing a healthier lifestyle. not because they care about their employees but because a healthier employee on average works better than one with "little" problems like mine. if companies could get away with hiring employees that were fit and healthy according to whatever fad stats are in now, they would. they only reason they dont is because of the threat of lawsuits.
now I do my work but this thread makes me think if I could lose a few lbs I could do it faster. I still do it within company standards, but when i walk in looking like I am about have a heart attack (sarcasm font didnt work), it makes me wonder how in the heck do I still have a job, If it was my company I would have fired myself.
semp
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Its none of my business if somebody else smokes, as long as they arent blowing it in my face.
I prefer "Freedom" to lower health insurance rates.
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Its none of my business if somebody else smokes, as long as they arent blowing it in my face.
And as long as they don't have extra pauses during work, or suffering from withdrawal symptoms instead of extra pauses, both causing them to work less efficiently. Freedom is for leisure time. The only way to get freedom during working hours is to employ yourself and face the consequences.
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And as long as they don't have extra pauses during work, or suffering from withdrawal symptoms instead of extra pauses, both causing them to work less efficiently. Freedom is for leisure time. The only way to get freedom during working hours is to employ yourself and face the consequences.
i used to run a shop with smokers and non-smokers. the smokers didn't get extra brakes in johns world.
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Nor should they.
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Nor should they.
STRANGER!!!!!!! how the hell you been man??!! how'd you make out with the cars?
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I'm good brother. Busy busy.. :) I'll get in touch in the next few days
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I'm good brother. Busy busy.. :) I'll get in touch in the next few days
rgr that. i'll be out for a bit tomorrow.....i'm taking mom for a shooting lesson.....and that's some cool stuff i'll tell ya about when we talk.
in other news, seeing as i've not seen much from you here, i AM glad to see you're still here. :aok