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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: XxDaSTaRxx on November 02, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
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Why isn't there a B-17F already? :furious
The F model was an important piece of WWII mid war history.
(http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikimedia/images/wikipedia/ja/e/ee/B17.sallyb.shuttle.050801.650pix.jpg)
F model
(http://richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Bombers/B17BankingHardLeft8oClock.jpg)
G model
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Why isn't there a B-17F already? :furious
The F model was an important piece of WWII mid war history.
(http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikimedia/images/wikipedia/ja/e/ee/B17.sallyb.shuttle.050801.650pix.jpg)
F model
(http://richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Bombers/B17BankingHardLeft8oClock.jpg)
G model
I am not informed on this subject, so I am going to ask this.
What is the significant difference between the B17F and G versions than what we have now?
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I am not informed on this subject, so I am going to ask this.
What is the significant difference between the B17F and G versions than what we have now?
Why the skins of course! Memphis belle, Ye Olde pub, etc. And mid war arena... :airplane: That's AH anyway.
In real life one was faster, likely the G model, but I think the F had a higher service ceiling. Fighters can complain about alt tards all they want :neener:
There were some other traits, but I'm to hammered to look them up right now.
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The B-17F was the faster one as it lacked the drag of the chin turret. Powerplants were the same so if the F had a higher service ceiling it was through being lighter.
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The difference in the F and G models were that the F model didn't have much defensive firepower for headon attacks from german fighters and the chin turret was added to the G model for that reason.
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Tail gun is different in the F as well. Doesn't cover anywhere as well as the G's.
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Tail gun is different in the F as well. Doesn't cover anywhere as well as the G's.
Early Gs also lacked the Cheyenne tail turret. The B-17G in AH does have a Cheyenne tail turret.
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I am not informed on this subject, so I am going to ask this.
What is the significant difference between the B17F and G versions than what we have now?
:airplane: Aside from he chin turret, armour plating on the "G" for crew protection. I would guess that is the reason for the difference in the bomb load, 8K for F, 6K for the G. The F model had a 56,500 lb gross takeoff weight and the G had a 65,500 lb gross takeoff weight. That 10,000 lbs would make a lot of difference in their performance.
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G's max bomb load was technically 16,000lbs, but that required the use of underwing hard points that were rarely, if ever, used and massively reduced its operational range. Given the bomb bay of the G and F were the same size I believe their typical bomb loads would also be the same sizes.
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Big +1 for the F model.
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If what was said in the Custom Skins forum is true that B-17F skins are not allowed on the B-17G that would indicate that HTC would like to add the B-17F at some point in the future.
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I've called for the "F" in the Wishlist a few times. Would be a great addition for historical reasons.
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The question is, what skin will be default for the F? There are several famous F's, but I get the feeling that it will NOT be Memphis Belle that is default. :headscratch:
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The question is, what skin will be default for the F? There are several famous F's, but I get the feeling that it will NOT be Memphis Belle that is default. :headscratch:
Not every default skin is a "famous" scheme.
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:airplane: Aside from he chin turret, armour plating on the "G" for crew protection.
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A B-17 I can actually try to kill 999000 in. :devil
Pretty Please :pray
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When I think of B-17's, the F model comes to mind. She's a beauty ( that chin gun on the G model is like women with a beard). :salute
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Meh....
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Not every default skin is a "famous" scheme.
I'm fully aware. ALL skinned planes are "famous" in my book though. The ballz it took any of em to fly into that hell and back...and not all of the skinned planes we have made it home, if I recall correctly. Personally, when I think of the F, the Belle comes to mind.
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When I think of B-17's, the F model comes to mind. She's a beauty ( that chin gun on the G model is like women with a beard). :salute
I must say I kinda feel the same way.
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I based the B-17G plans used by HTC to build the 3d b17g off plans of the B-17F as they were the only ones that did the cockpit well.
all other B-17G drawings were incorrect. I still feel that the AH b-17 is one of the best looking b17 models out there and did take some pride in having a hand in its accuracy especially around the cockpit area which I always considered the face of a plane.
I'd always wanted a B-17F and B-24D both the most good looking versions of these planes.
I've never posted much of my artwork other than what you've seen of my skins this is one I did of a b-24D that is graceful even in ruins...
a bit off topic I know but Ive always been a fan of the B-17F and B-24D :)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/p38fester/ladybegood_zpse3ebf743.jpg)
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I based the B-17G plans used by HTC to build the 3d b17g off plans of the B-17F as they were the only ones that did the cockpit well.
all other B-17G drawings were incorrect. I still feel that the AH b-17 is one of the best looking b17 models out there and did take some pride in having a hand in its accuracy especially around the cockpit area which I always considered the face of a plane.
I'd always wanted a B-17F and B-24D both the most good looking versions of these planes.
I've never posted much of my artwork other than what you've seen of my skins this is one I did of a b-24D that is graceful even in ruins...
a bit off topic I know but Ive always been a fan of the B-17F and B-24D :)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/p38fester/ladybegood_zpse3ebf743.jpg)
Very nice! :aok
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Very nice! :aok
:old: Caldera, you need to change your avatar, it makes old men have "funny" feelings looking at it! LOL
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Hopefully we can see this bird in the near future... (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Memphisbellenose.jpg)
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Based on what I've been able to find out, it would perform near identically to the B-17G we have now. Slightly faster, and fewer guns pointing in an area that really doesn't matter in Aces High.
That being the case, -1.
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:old: Caldera, you need to change your avatar, it makes old men have "funny" feelings looking at it! LOL
As long as you still are getting those "funny" feelings, you have nothing to worry about. :)
It's not German. -1
Fixed.
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Based on what I've been able to find out, it would perform near identically to the B-17G we have now. Slightly faster, and fewer guns pointing in an area that really doesn't matter in Aces High.
That being the case, -1.
The tail guns would have a significantly reduced field of fire.
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The tail guns would have a significantly reduced field of fire.
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Okay, moved all the way up from -1 to 0. Other stuff we need to take care of first.
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Citabria,
Is that drawing of 'Lady Be Good'?
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yeah I was fascinated by that plane for a long time so much so it became a subject of one of my drawing projects.
the navigator was on his first mission.
the sunset turned to night. already lost and seeking the radio fix from their home base unfortunately gave them a direction but having not the ability to gauge to or from with the instruments at the time it gave a reverse sensing heading to get home and the plane flew off into the desert away from its base.
1 by one the engines failed from fuel starvation till only one was left running.
given the b-24's problems in forced landings with its high Davis wing it seems the order was given to bail out.
the crew left the plane.
Lady be Good continued on alone with one engine running until in a slow wings level descent it contacted the flat planes of the desert at what would seem to be a firm but survivable impact rate and broke in half upon its unmanned landing.
it was found a decade and a half later by oil field explorers in amazingly preserved condition with guns still working and food and drink still edible in its own time capsule in the arid desert.
for a year or so the mystery of the crew became an obsession for the air force and a large search was undertaken where most of the crews remains were located. they survived the bail out it seemed but died of starvation and dehydration.
a few pieces of the lady be good were salvaged and installed in other aircraft in a possibly sentimental act but it seems the curse of this beautiful lady who was abandoned after being lead astray did not end well. one aircraft who had an armrest from lady be good crashed in the ocean with one of the few pieces of it washing up on shore... the armrest from lady be good. other aircraft with parts of the lady it is said also came to similarly gruesome ends.
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yeah I was fascinated by that plane for a long time so much so it became a subject of one of my drawing projects.
the navigator was on his first mission.
the sunset turned to night. already lost and seeking the radio fix from their home base unfortunately gave them a direction but having not the ability to gauge to or from with the instruments at the time it gave a reverse sensing heading to get home and the plane flew off into the desert away from its base.
1 by one the engines failed from fuel starvation till only one was left running.
given the b-24's problems in forced landings with its high Davis wing it seems the order was given to bail out.
the crew left the plane.
Lady be Good continued on alone with one engine running until in a slow wings level descent it contacted the flat planes of the desert at what would seem to be a firm but survivable impact rate and broke in half upon its unmanned landing.
it was found a decade and a half later by oil field explorers in amazingly preserved condition with guns still working and food and drink still edible in its own time capsule in the arid desert.
for a year or so the mystery of the crew became an obsession for the air force and a large search was undertaken where most of the crews remains were located. they survived the bail out it seemed but died of starvation and dehydration.
a few pieces of the lady be good were salvaged and installed in other aircraft in a possibly sentimental act but it seems the curse of this beautiful lady who was abandoned after being lead astray did not end well. one aircraft who had an armrest from lady be good crashed in the ocean with one of the few pieces of it washing up on shore... the armrest from lady be good. other aircraft with parts of the lady it is said also came to similarly gruesome ends.
Any idea for how long she flew unmanned?
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Any idea for how long she flew unmanned?
Not far as I recall. A dozen miles or less I think.
It was a bad death for the crew. The one who's parachute failed certainly had the cleanest exit. They walked more than 100 miles in the Sahara before succumbing.
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The 17f and 17g may be close but the P-47 25 and 40 are near identical, along with a couple P-40's that are near identical.The B-24 D is a good idea also. If the 17f had less firepower and less arc of fire, that's the way it was.If you want to make this real, make it real. :salute