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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: PJ_Godzilla on November 08, 2013, 10:51:43 AM
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I didn't want to necro-bump so I'm starting a new topic.
I want put in a word in favor of the Shoki, mainly for scenario play. I recognize this thing would doubtless have adherents in the MA, just as do most viable late-war types. It's nothing like uber, as many have already noted. WMaker helpfully cites the wingloading in a nother thread, which is interceptor-class (my coinage) as opposed to turnfighter-class. Speed is a so-so high 300 number -again, nothing spectacular.
However, I really like this for scenario play because of the tactics used by at least one Sentai... I'll just plug in a citation here:
"The Ki-44-2c version of the "Tojo" was armed with the relatively compact Ho-301 40 mm heavy cannon firing caseless ammunition that was only useful at near point blank range due to very low muzzle velocity. It was used against B-29s by one special kamikaze unit (a company of four aircraft minimum[4]) of the 47th Sentai, which specialized in bomber collision tactics, the Shinten unit ("Shinten Seiku Tai"(Sky Shadow) 47th Sentai (Air Regiment) based at Narimasu airfield), during the defense of Tokyo. It is presumed that at least part of the tactics of these aircraft were to get in very close to the B-29's and attempt a shoot down with the heavy cannon, but also to use the aircraft as a final weapon when the low ammunition supply of the H0-301 was expended. Although in concept it appeared easy, collision with a B-29 at altitude was very difficult to pull off although the tactic certainly created significant anxiety for B-29 squadrons when it occurred."
"Anxiety" being an understatement, no doubt... In any case, if we had this for scenario play, you could indeed have a Sentai whose point totals would be increased if they took one for the team, if you follow. That throws another variable into the mix - and that makes for even more entertainment. Meanwhile, I'm sure that 40 mil option places a pretty significant penalty on the Tojo, making it, in this armament anyway, truly specialized for the role (not that it's a great escort killer to begin).
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+1
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why not the ki-44-IIIa instead?
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How about both variants? +1
FA had them. It was a fun plane in events.
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why not the ki-44-IIIa instead?
There was only a prototype and half a dozen pre-production models of the Ki-44-III made when Kogun Koku Hombu (Imperial Japanese Army Air Service) logically decided to terminate the development in favor of the Ki-84 which was proving to have better performance. So in terms of AH, Ki-44-III didn't really exist.
Ki-44-II is practically the only sensible choice for AH as the Ki-44-I was produced in very small numbers as well.
Ki-44 is one of my big favorites and I hope it gets added sooner rather than later. Japanese planeset certainly deserves it.
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There was only a prototype and half a dozen pre-production models of the Ki-44-III made when Kogun Koku Hombu (Imperial Japanese Army Air Service) logically decided to terminate the development in favor of the Ki-84 which was proving to have better performance. So in terms of AH, Ki-44-III didn't really exist.
Ki-44-II is practically the only sensible choice for AH as the Ki-44-I was produced in very small numbers as well.
Ki-44 is one of my big favorites and I hope it gets added sooner rather than later. Japanese planeset certainly deserves it.
then it would have to be the ki-44-IIb which was the main production version equipped with 4 12.7mm machine guns...the rest were limited/no production.
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then it would have to be the ki-44-IIb which was the main production version equipped with 4 12.7mm machine guns...the rest were limited/no production.
I see no reason why 2x7.7mm + 2x12.7mm and the 2x40mm setup couldn't be included as load outs as well. All of them saw combat.
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then it would have to be the ki-44-IIb which was the main production version equipped with 4 12.7mm machine guns...the rest were limited/no production.
Ki-44-II-Otsu with four 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns would make sense. It would be nice to have the 40mm guns as an option though.
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I see no reason why 2x7.7mm + 2x12.7mm and the 2x40mm setup couldn't be included as load outs as well. All of them saw combat.
can't have it both ways Wmaker, the few model IIIa's saw combat too. production of the IIc's with the 40mm suffered in performance and there weren't many built.
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Wasn't one of HiTech's requirements for aircraft to be included that it at least saw in combat? :headscratch:
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Wasn't one of HiTech's requirements for aircraft to be included that it at least saw in combat? :headscratch:
The Ki-44-IIa (two 7.7mm and two 12.7mm guns), Ki-44-IIb (four 12.7mm guns) and Ki-44-IIc (two 12.7mm? and two 40mm guns) all saw combat with more than 1200 total built in all versions, I and III included. Allied code name Tojo.
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can't have it both ways Wmaker, the few model IIIa's saw combat too. production of the IIc's with the 40mm suffered in performance and there weren't many built.
Actually, that's exactly the way it goes. Load out and a variant are two different things. There are engines differentiating -II and III and the fact that to my knowledge the half a dozen Ki-44-III pre-production aircraft didn't see combat. There were enough Ki-44-IIs seeing combat with the 40mm rocket cannons considering that we have Il-2's with 37mm cannons which only 96 saw action and very briefly too.
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The Ki-44-IIa (two 7.7mm and two 12.7mm guns), Ki-44-IIb (four 12.7mm guns) and Ki-44-IIc (two 12.7mm? and two 40mm guns) all saw combat with more than 1200 total built in all versions, I and III included. Allied code name Tojo.
No, no. I am not against the Ki-44 in the least. It's that there seems to be issues about the variants. That is what I was getting at, just didn't word it right. If all variants have seen combat, what is the issue??? I was just trying to see if I remember correctly about HiTech's requirement.
+1 to the Ki-44. The more choices, the better. :x
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No 20mm armed version saw combat in numbers?
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No 20mm armed version saw combat in numbers?
I am unaware of a 20mm armed version that saw combat.