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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Staga on March 07, 2001, 06:31:00 PM
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I saw a bar growing in A50; Informed other knights and suddenly bar disappeared.I Took of with G-10 with Santa, Nath and other Knights. I flyed 20miles off map to search if I could found something interesting and voila: 8 Rook Lancasters heading North (Maybe HQ Raid?)
Anyway we slaughtered all those cheaters and yes, We were having fun doing it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
So here's few pics from that Rook Cheating raid which was doomed when we found it.
I can send a film if someone is interested (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
This was quite good shot:
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/cheaters/rook2.jpg)
And here's a message from "System" when I shot CyranoDB's tail to hell.
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/cheaters/cyranodb.jpg)
Rooks think twice before trying to cheat again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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What ever..
How can it be cheating? if the game allows it. I have been flying rook for 2 months know was knit since beta. If that is cheating I wonder what you would call the pilots (no sides) I have seen (and filmed) flying lancs like a fighter Cheating. If hitech thinks it is cheating then the planes should explode when doing so.
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What a bunch of losers & lowlifes that have to resort to that sort of tactic. Guess they figure they aren't good enough to knock out a HQ old fashion way. Hopefully HiTech will figure out a way to stop this (which i would classify as a bug). I would be interested if you could dig through the film & post names of all the lowlife scumsuckers?
BgMAW
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yawn...
Great shot though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 03-07-2001).]
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Weeeellll now... ifluff'n that ain't the pot callin the kettle black, I dinnae what is.
Can't remember how many times the nits would come in off the map in the ndisle terrain. Seemed like a daily occurance.
Can't say I'm happy to see Rooks finally starting to do it though
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Muahahha, there are more names to the List Of Shame. Will have to review film to get them though.
Sorry about the gloating and laughing on ch1. I just couldn't help myself. I was laughing so hard my headphones fell off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
TOO amusing.
here we have 8-9 rooks who thought they were gonna m,ilk run kill the kniggit city, factories and HQ. Staga spots something going on at 50, we all up. Staga goes furthest out while I head more south.
Lancs spotted. 5-6 knights soon go to Staga's position. LW fighters rip lancs, every single of of them, to shreds. One or two fighters go down.
So much for that milk run (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
They got exactly what they deserved - a humiliating defeat (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<S!> to all knights who dared risking a boring flight with no cons.
KHEEL evil offmap lancs! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
[img]http://www.geocities.com/nirfurian/stSanta.jpg[/img
"Live to pull, pull to live"
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Cheating? No, I don't think so.
Gaming the game. Sure.
So what?
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Cave that kind of cheating is like disease; It spreads from weak person to other weak person. Only way to handle it is to make it stop by making it public or accept that flying off the map (IMO its Cheating) is acceptable way to play the game.
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Originally posted by CavemanJ:
Weeeellll now... ifluff'n that ain't the pot callin the kettle black, I dinnae what is.
I would say the same thing about a fellow countryman...just my personal view...it is low-handed tactic.
BgMAW
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Oh mister so... you mean... I did something wrong?
You mean I gamed the game?
Oh no! Not THAT! ANYTHING BUT THAT! I can't keep living in shame and dishonor... how can I punish myself? (apart from playing rook with the current numbers, that is)
Please tell me! I'll wash your plane if that makes you feel better!
So I have been an outlaw for once in my lifetime in AH...
So what?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
It was good for me... was it good for you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Daniel, aka CyranoDB
PS: No, no, it's not cirano, it's Cyrano, make sure you get it right in that "infamy black list" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Staga I think you're wrong. You should feel nothing but PITY for these pathetic pilots.
Isn't it obvious that they were obviously so threatened by their own lack of skills they had to take their formation off map. I mean, most people consider a buff formation hard work - and GOOD buffers enjoy the thrill of a formation engaging fighters. So these guys must really consider their own skill level to be PATHETIC and LOUSY beyond belief.
I think we should have a Raise-Money-For-The-Skilless-Rook-Buff-Pilots fund started (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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hahhahahahaha what a bunch of tards I would pay whatever to see the look on their faces when they saw those 109 approaching.
And now they will come here with a rebellious attitude when in fact they should be ashamed that they died like cowards and tards.
what kind of dork goes thru all that trouble and time just for that?
I say if their skill isnt enough to allow them to fight their way in, let them get off the map and do it that way. Thats the only way they will succeed.
poor tards.
It must suck to be such a crappy pilot that they have to go thru that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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im a rook and i certainly dont do this type of thing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Speaking as a Rook from day 1.....
If I see my countrymen pulling that crap, the first thing I'll do is announce it on CH 1 so y'all can hunt their tulips down. I hope folks on the other side would do the same. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Have some 'nads, drive up the middle!
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A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!
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This map makes this a pretty big problem. Their dots DO NOT show up unless you zoom way in on the sector they are in. On the older maps at least there was a bar off the map so you know something was there.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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How did you know they were there?
AKDejaVu
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Nice one Staga!
Current map which puts all important strategic targets to same area near map edges just screams for use of these tactics. I liked the previous map with spread out start targets more but that is only my opinion.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87D, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Because I just happened to be in that sector in an M3 and noticed the red dot after I zoomed way in. It dissappeared after I zoomed back out. Definately a bug.
I wouldn't have saw it if I was at a lesser zoom.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Quakers. I cant understand how and why HTC still allows such things (like the car-bomb on the rwy and the CV-ack). Pls fix it, it is becoming quite annoying.
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[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 03-08-2001).]
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Amen Lephturn. I'll report this kind of stuff (including off-map CV's) to the other side any time I see it.
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easy to fix, just add 150 miles to all sides of the map. if anybody wants to fly off map then, well have fun. with 150 miles to fly across with radar bar, it will slow this kind of thing down.
and yes cavemanj, I have seen or heard of some Knights that have done this, but I have seen the rooks do it just as much, as well as the Bishops. so dont give the rest of us this crap that you are glad to see the some rooks are suddunly starting to fly like the rest. and that gee we have no pilots again and are getting gangbanged by the mean old Knights. hell, when you where flying for the Knights, you where saying the exact same thing about the Rooks and the Bishops.
well saying any thing more to you cave is nothing but a waste of time.
well if any of you Rooks or Bishops ever see me in a buff, it will be on the map and about 10k above the acks of what ever field I am going to. I dont need 30k to make it to target, I have a slight idea on how to use the guns.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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ROFLMAO!!! You guys are a bunch of idiots giving them a hard time for flying off the map, I bet half of you or more would like to see radar go away period, or would rather fly in an HA with limited radar/icon environment.
Maybe they couldn't get escort? They tried to get to target without being detected,which I'm sure happened everyday in WWII and there were plenty of 'tactics' happening on the ground and in the air to take out enemy radar so just this sort of thing could happen!!!!!! Not to mention the fact that a 'crack radar operator' named Staga was keeping an eye on the 'country situtation'(as every good countrymate should be doing) and saw the formation form up at an airfield and kept an eye on it and discovered their tactic!!!! Jeeeez, sounds just like war to me!
Use your imagination people, otherwise this is nothing more than a game, not an air combat simulation like we all deep down really want!
Get over it and keep your eye's on dar, I do constantly looking for just this sort of thing, it's part of the game and gives it more of a combat simulation environment if you ask me, which you didn't but oh well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ts
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yu tink dis bad? 11 year ago spawn of satan come bomb my country and we can't fine arplane on ar fine soviet radar now dat cheating an usin bomb wif eyes dat don miss an dat gun on a10 quite devil iss forway over modeled keel ur tanks so easy
god iss great
god iss great
god iss great
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G10..the confetti bomb maker.
Whats so sad is the LAnces had not a prayer, 8, or 12, or whatever. Yet the LW's Leather Brigade would say only "CombaTrim" and "balls" would put the .30mm on target.
Nice try Lancs... the real "UberChog" hit you, and it was ugly.
I just love the G10.
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AK DejaVu:
I didn't "know" they were there; Just used my brains and lots of gasoline.
If you see a big bar in a field like 50 and then it disappears in 30sec what would be your guess what happened?
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LOL! Nice work guys.
I don't care who pulls these stupid stunts. Bish, Rook, or Knit. They're all lower than whale sh#t (which is so low its already at the bottom of the ocean).
Basically it just screams out "LOOK HOW PITIFUL MY PILOT SKILLS ARE !!!"
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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S!
These "offmap flying"-attacks are quite frustrating.U have a good defence fight going on and suddenly a horde of bombers pop up over the HQ and POOF,no radar anymore.Not a slightest chance to counter the strike if You don't see it forming(at an early stage) and then try to predict the possible alt/heading of the formation flying off the map.Looks like people try to find more "shortcuts" than using better tactics to achieve a goal. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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The trouble with off-the-map anything is that it moves the field of play beyond established boundaries. In the case of a/c it might be an intentional/unintentional incursion into "blank" space- for instance if I am being chased by multiple a/c and need to extend some, you bet I would point to the most direct route out of trouble.
What we have here is something entirely different. We have people exploiting a weakness of the system. You can call it smart or heinous, but the point is whether or not this type of play was intended from the beginning, and if not, why it is tolerated. Taking a group of bombers off the map is nothing new; taking the CV off the map has taken the stunt to a whole new level. Now you can drop an entire fleet right next to an enemy base and bring the enemy base under the fleet ack umbrella. This may make the action fast and furious, but something seems seriously wrong about it.
Personally I wouldn't think that you could get a group of people to stay onboard a ship long enough for Gilligan to take the Minnow on a "3-hour tour" of the map, but time and again it has been proven that people will allow their CV's to be tied up in such a manner.
In any event it would seem that since the people intentionally doing this are attempting to bypass an integral part of gameplay they are "gaming the game". Saying that it is ironic that people who complain are largely those that want no dar doesn't wash because these same people want the rules applied equally across the board, not just the edges of the map. I have spent time in the past searching the edges of the map- not a very fun way to spend one's time, IMHO. On top of everything else, when I did find them they were almost always 35K.
Makes you feel like you live in Texas on border patrol against illegal immigrants. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Some pics (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Look, targets!
(http://www.geocities.com/nirfurian/dielanc2.jpg)
Aaah, sweetness
(http://www.geocities.com/nirfurian/dielanc1.jpg)
DIE gamers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://www.geocities.com/nirfurian/dielanc3.jpg)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
[img]http://www.geocities.com/nirfurian/stSanta.jpg[/img
"Live to pull, pull to live"
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Fixing crap like this is more important to me than new planes. They can fix sinkholes in the map within 24 hours but they can't fix exploits like this?!?
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Originally posted by CavemanJ:
Weeeellll now... ifluff'n that ain't the pot callin the kettle black, I dinnae what is.
Can't remember how many times the nits would come in off the map in the ndisle terrain. Seemed like a daily occurance.
Can't say I'm happy to see Rooks finally starting to do it though
Just for clarification, Knits took CV to WHITE 2 MILE BORDER of map, and still registered on radar bar when we did launch.
Also, in this terrain, we launched a mission, I ordered everyone to go to the edge of the map where the ground meets the sea, guess what, that area of the map is also in the white border. They need to either:
A) Take the white border out of the clipboard to show the entire map and keep whiners from saying some are gaming the game.
B)Set up a barrier or wind shear that will not allow the players to do what these pics show.
I have NEVER lead men past the white border on the map on a mission.
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Ahoi all,
really hate that off map crap.
Tuesday knights were without radar for about 2 hours, because bishies flew off map raids.
I was a bit frustrated about our blindness, but i didn't even thought about doin the same.For me it shows poor sportsmanship.
To be fair, i must admit that i've seen same behavior at least 1 time from knits also & i felt even more bad about it.
blitz (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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I am a Rook and I agree with Zigrat and Lephturn.
But keepin mind, this isn't a "Those Rooks are cust cheating dweebs" issue, its a "There is an exploit that weak players will use to game the game" issue.
This ain't unique to Rooks, so lay off.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Oops!
[This message has been edited by Sunchaser (edited 03-08-2001).]
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Well, the standard AH line applies here....
"It's their 30 bucks".
As long as a game can be gamed it will be.
Perhaps HTC will fix it..."In two weeks".
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Hey post their names please.
And why arent they showing up in this thread?
I tell you why because they are friggin embarrased to be themselves right now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
LOL and its not like it was two bombers, it was a bunch of frigging bombers who couldve defended themselves easily.
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So.. just to check here...
Nobody posting derogatory comments in this thread has:
- Shown up at a field because they heard it was needing to be vulched.
- steaked out a spawn point
- not cared that they were downing more friendlies than enemies in a ship gunner position
- ever used sector bars as a pre-cursor to try to decide what base to sneak
- ever driven a panzer up to an undefended enemy field, taken all the ack down, then exited on the enemy runway only to bring an m3 back 10 mins later and capture the field
- ever utilized a quirk in the FM they new to be unrealistic simply because it was possible
- ever bailed to deny someone a kill
- shot a chute
- ever ben in a headon
- ever <insert dweeby thing of the week>.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I just love it when the community comes together to condemn others for playing the game.
AKDejaVu
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I made an off the map run in a lanc the other day. Took off from 50 stayed low and headed east. Once I got off the map I turned north and climbed for an hour. Came back in the map right next to Knight HQ and unloaded 13k on it. One lone soul did up and chase me most of the way back home but I killed him when he caught up to me. Off the map is part of the Arena. Was every square mile of the world under constant Radar coverage in WW2? I think its a realistic part of the game. I'll kill Knight and Bishop BAstiges anyway I can. Our scientists are working on a new uber weopon called v2 and also a bomb we call "fat man". We'll give you something to WHINE about (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by ElLobo (edited 03-08-2001).]
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Geez Louise,
Lay off Animal you are looking for a witch hunt and this could start an ugly trend. Every time some whiner gets beaten they will be posting (Im telling Im telling!. Cheating as Staga and others myself included call it is in the eyes of the players. People will exploit flight models when they can, and will do what they want to do with their 30 dollars a month even if it is considered unethical. When the developer wants this nonsense stopped they will address it. I permanently squelch 1 know to refrain from the bull crap accusations. In the past my adrenaline would be so pumped and if i got waxed and in m my eyes the waxer did something that was perceived as cheating would be flamed. I cannot take back what I did just wont do it anymore.
Solution to the problem would be Historical arena for rules and ethics.
MA for no holes barred kill em all by whatever it takes dweebishness.
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I hate Off-the-map flying, and I think HTC should fix it ASAP.
Cheers,
Pepe
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I second that motion. We play on the map. Period. Fly off map in a huge Lanc formation? Bye bye, banned for a week (or something). Apparently the concept of sportsmanship is varied in here. Some are ticked people do this, while others are ticked they were CAUGHT doing this and see no wrong in it. I'm all for playing by the rules, if some can't do that, cya.
My 2 cents.
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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Is the topic without merit for discussion?
It doesn't matter what other ways people exploit a loophole (if this even indeed unintentional, which I am not sure is the case), the concern is whether this is intended or should be allowed if it is not.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
So.. just to check here...
Nobody posting derogatory comments in this thread has:
- Shown up at a field because they heard it was needing to be vulched.
- steaked out a spawn point
- not cared that they were downing more friendlies than enemies in a ship gunner position
- ever used sector bars as a pre-cursor to try to decide what base to sneak
- ever driven a panzer up to an undefended enemy field, taken all the ack down, then exited on the enemy runway only to bring an m3 back 10 mins later and capture the field
- ever utilized a quirk in the FM they new to be unrealistic simply because it was possible
- ever bailed to deny someone a kill
- shot a chute
- ever ben in a headon
- ever <insert dweeby thing of the week>.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I just love it when the community comes together to condemn others for playing the game.
AKDejaVu
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* No, I dont head to a field just because there is a vulch fest going on.
* Yes, on the beta map I staked out a spoune point to kill the loser ostwinds.
* The couple times I have been in gunner position, I dont think I hit a think.
* Yeah, I look to see what base we should be attacking or defending, dont care if there are cons in the area. they will show up regardless.
* Yes, have taken a panzer to enemy field and taken out acks, ditched, returned in a m3. I think twice I made the capture with out any cons seeing the bar in sector and upping to stop me.
* Dont know, I dont know enough about the FM of any one plane to know if it is realistic or not.
* NO, I have never bailed to deny somebody a kill, I have always tried to fight it out or try to hide if I can.
* Yes, I have shot some chutes, hopfully, yours will be the next.
* Yes, I have been in a HO.
So now AKDejaVu, why have you not answered your own queston.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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As far as their pilot skills are concerned...there is no night. The Lanc is a night bomber. They can't use this air craft in the environment it was ment for.
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Originally posted by wolf37:
So now AKDejaVu, why have you not answered your own queston.
Prolly cuz he's not the one running around with his panties up his bellybutton complaining someone flew into a viable part of the arena. Oh no!! You say radar doesn't go there?
In case ya'll didn't know this: You *CAN* FORCE boundaries onto a terrain. In these boundaries, the world ceases to exist and the terrain or water is never draw. If you fly into this boundary, you are forever stuck like a fly on fly paper.
So lesse, some guys took a raid off the map. You all found and intercepted them. How many bombs hit their target?
Oh thasss ri'... NONE. The harm was? You got some kills in your weiner planes and fun was had by all.
There are no "Rules", there are no set boundaries, and there sure as hell isn't any reason they couldn't or shouldn't fly off of the portion of the terrain afflicted by radar.
If you don't want peeps getting out of radar range, might I suggest you ask HTC to build 40K high mountains around the edges? Or terminate the world at the edges so planes can't escape the grip of the twilight zone?
Of course not, lets just fuggin' whine 'bout it.
-SW
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Hmmm..
Well, i gota agree with tshrd. Anyone in any country can see off map raid coming about an hour before they get to there target. Just pay attention to map and its easy to figure out large raids.
I think the whole map needs 1 more sector added to it all the way around, but since we are working with what we have.. WTG Rooks..
Adapt, overcome and adjust!! Do what you have to and get the job done.
If these guys wana spend 1 hour grabin to alt and stearing off map, let em. I suggest that all countries pay attention to large buildups in any sector, and when they disappear, ya know a raid is OTW..
Dog out...........
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I said I hate OTMF. I think it is a trick. Having said that, it is amazing how people here see the straw in the other's eye.
Stop crying about sportmanship, unfairness, dweebery, etc. and fly, you sissy girls. When two countries both doubling numbers on the third, agree to attack the understaffed one, little is left, but being on the continuous vulching fest, to the small country. An then I have to hear something very close to a witch hunt because 7 guys (actually 50% of available forces) played a trick. Amazingly, your country could divert, (how much, 5,6 7 guys) and still have numbers to keep on vulching.
Is it so hard to understand that, precisely when the raid happened, Rooklad were fighting the Knit fron 30 vs. 7?.
Now I've been flying for Rookland since I was in, as my whole Squad. I find more honourable doing this trick than leaving Rookland (as it easy to see it's happened) because we are badly outnumbered night after night this tour. So how many of the hypocrites crying out loud shame list, dweeb hunt, etc. has left rookland this tour? How many of you didn't see same thing happening and didn't say a word?
Ohhh yes, brag and brag how you master fliers killed the deadly attack to your homeland, cry and cry how you master fliers manage to down a buff horde comprising 7 (half of the enemy forces), repeat and repeat you master fliers how you didn't even think on commiting a crime like that... heh! master fliers...haha...well, maybe, master fliers. For me you are just that. Flies.
It is easy to see what kind of fight you do like. Cheap shots & advantages. Even in this BBS. Geez, I could care less!.
Pepe
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Originally posted by Pepe:
...It is easy to see what kind of fight you do like. Cheap shots & advantages....
Pepe
Just read that part of your post again and think about it. Those guys tried to achieve an advantage over Knights by flying out of map and propably thinking they could destroy city and HQ. From my pow that looks just like you said "a cheap shot etc...".
Games like AH will always have a way how to play "dirty game".
Issue is is it acceptable to use those bugs to get your enemy to his knees or should we promote "FairPlay" in AH?
Simple question but think twice before answering (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Staga:
Games like AH will always have a way how to play "dirty game".
Issue is is it acceptable to use those bugs to get your enemy to his knees or should we promote "FairPlay" in AH?
What is dirty for me is the fact that I've to jump in a G10 to intercept this kind of player (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've lot of trouble wearing the standard leather underpant of the luftwobble (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) it hurt my butt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
IMO if it can be done it's a valid technique ,perhaps not the most smart but at least it's legal (not against the TOS).
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Aces High is a WAR game. In a WAR you use any advantage you can to kill the enemy, before he kills you. As long as you're not hacking the gamecode you are playing fair! Everyone has their limits, I don't shoot chutes, some do. If they get a kick out of it so be it. The game is more realistic, when there is a certain leval of deception and subterfuge. Off the Map! Under Dar! ALLS FAIR! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by ElLobo (edited 03-09-2001).]
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Staga,
I usually think twice before posting. And thanks for putting the question in a simple way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I really dislike playing dirty tricks in ANY game. I stated this black over white. I posted in some other thread that I flew once off the map, back in 1.03 or something, and I did not like it. I promote "Fair Play".
Those guys had THAT ONLY WAY to try to hit your country, as you probably know. They tried to counter your numbers and alt advantage with the only available measure at that point. Is that a trick? Yes. Is understandable? Hell, yes. I do not know If you have ever been in that situation, limited to 2 fields and vulched to your bones by a horde of alt and numbers opportunists (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), but I guarantee that It is VERY frustrating. And is an ongoing situation. This tour is "Rookland unter alles" permanently.
Games are most fun when everybody sticks to the rules. The written ones and the unwritten ones. But If some country numbers are abusing, and that country press hard enough, I would expect this kind of behaviour, and I would understand it. Besides that, If my country is in yours or bish's situation, neither the stress nor the effect of losing Radar can be compared to Rooks this tour. This is not a whine. I am not whineing, since, as Ripsnort say, it's our turn in the bucket. Just stating out that, being the trick that it is, Off-The-Map-Flying is the only way to act sometimes. And your post only show one side of the matter. Bish and Knit numbers make us Rook act this way, this tour.
Just curious here, how would bring your enemies to their knees being 30ish+30ish vs. 10ish? Please let me know. Rookland is in dire need of that information. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
With regards to your question, I must be even dumber than usual, because I do not know how to answer until I know what do you mean by "FairPlay". Hehehe, you should put that question even simpler. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe
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Pepe all countries have been in a situation where other two countries have twice as many players as yours. Last evening after reset both Rooks and Bishes attacked Knights very hard. I checked map and didn't see any good action in those countries borders in half hour when they were rushing against Knightland. Our Western front keeped its fields but in East we lost base after base (We lost 4 or 5 fields in couple hours).
But we stayed in map and fought like good Knight should do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (Big <S> to those Knights!)
(at least I didn't saw or hear that anyone was out of map and I usually look map very often to see whats happening around.)
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Staga,
That is precisely the point. Looking at the map does not make any difference in Rookland these days. And we have no way to counter as well. And resets are too scarce given the numbers. We find ourselves in the vulchfest night after night.
Knits are as dirty as Bishops or as Knights. There is no substantial difference between countries. That's what I find wrong in your post. It seems that only Rooks do that. And this is a lie. Every country has its dweeb quota, and you've chosen the worst possible moment to point that. I remember clearly 2 weeks ago, Island Map, Rookland confined to motherland only, and a Knit Off-The-Map raid into our HQ. At least, for what the subject of your thread is concened, the Rook attack is arguably our only defense against en masse vulching.
Anyway, it's OK. You made your point, I made mine. For me, it is a dweebish movement, and I will not make it whatever it takes. But It is understandable that vulching pressure leave that as the only way around. If you do not want this to happen, go for the reset, fast. That is. Easy task, given the numbers.
Cheers,
Pepe
[This message has been edited by Pepe (edited 03-09-2001).]
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Happened again last night, Bish were 25 miles outside the edge of the map.
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It's a dirty, gamey tactics no matter who does it.
In soccer, it's possible to kick someone's leg. Some do it, but it's generally disliked both by the players and by the audience. A career might potentially be wasted by a cheap shot.
To take Lancs off map to milk run HQ, cities and factories and ANNOY the HELL out of 40 people for 2.5 hours is damned dweeby.
The kind of people who say "the odds are against us, so let's cheat" will lose respect from me big time.
I attempt to try to fight fair. 9./JG54 seeks away from the main hordes for some good decent fighting, where kills teals, killshooter and vulching isn't the norm.
I won't take a b26 and drop bombs on an m3 just because I can, standing from the ground.
I won't fly off map, just because I can.
This is about respect for your fellow simmers. Or in this case, lack thereof.
Period (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"Live to pull, pull to live"
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Since all country's are flying off map from time to time,why not have fast fighter do a scout mission once in a while to see if any thing is out there.They could take off from outer perimeter base.Losing HQs and city on one enemy bomb run really hurts.If enough enemy flights were detected and killed,it would soon take the fun out of it.Congrats on finding and killing that Lanc flight.
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Yes, and every country does it. Not only Rookland. EVERY ONE.
Btw, talking about respect, how about going straight for the reset, and respect your adversary for a fight against odds, instead of vulching endlessly, keeping only 2/3 fields alive?. And this is not directed against anybody in particular. It is a situation that every country suffers from time to time and is at least as annoying as having no radar for 2.5 hrs. (maybe I am getting used to no radar (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)).
Talking about respect within this game is talking abour each one's particular attitude in this simm.
How many of us can state clearly "I have respect for my enemy" here? and where this "respect" ends?.
For an example, go ask straffo, for instance. He will teach what respect is <S!>.
I do not qualify Squads as a whole. In 9.JG/54's particular case, I'm sure you, as a whole, show great deal of respect for your fellow simmers (and I think we crossed sometime as long ago as 1.02 or something, if my memory suits me well, and have a good memory of that fight, we were 2 spitfires on your 109 and draw was the result) but definitely not all of your squad members are, how can I say it...respectful kind of people. If even in the close circle of a Squad there are black sheep (hehe, maybe I should chose another example), go figure in a whole country.
So, In this particular issue, I respect as much the ones that fight fair and square, as I disrespect the ones that do not show respect for his, as StSanta says, fellow simmers. And show respect does not only fits into the "fly off the map" cathegory. Pointing the finger against someone, and even worse, against one country is disrespectful. StSanta, you are right, this is a matter of respect.
Again, you are right when you say lack of. But I am not pointing my finger in the general direction of this particular Off-The-Map mission in the first place. Lots of them had happened, and, unfortunately, if Htc. do not fix it, lots of there will happen in the future. But it is not a matter of who did what. If we all start to call names in here, pretty much everyone has a skeleton in his drawer.
Each one draw his own conclusions.
Pepe.
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I was the lider of that formation of Lancs and YES... we were off shore about 20 NM.
It was the first time we did something like that (I usually fly fighters almost 100% as you might know by now... and I dislike buffs) but it is a pitty that INSTANT MORALIST now thing that this tactic was wrong, when it has been done to us many times, maybe by their own friends... or themselves.
If I understand it right...it is OK if it is done to the rooks when they have only 3 fields remaining, but it is WRONG if the rooks deffend themselves.
And YES we were 20 miles offshore... we could have been 50, 70, 100 or more miles (we had the fuel and the patience)... It passed by my mind for an instant... and nobody would have been able to detect us then... but WE didn't... WE just sorrounded the area that was being gangbanged by the knights at that precise moment.
I have been in WB and AH tiem enought to know that when you fly offlimits the activity bar shines like a X-mas tree... I DO HAVE SEEN IT QUITE FRECUENTLY DONE TO US AND I MYSELF HAVE INTERCEPTED MANY OFFLIMITS BUFFS... and even worse... FIGHTERS. And all of it...when WE WERE LOOSING...lol.
It a shame that the screenshot doesn't show the orde of Knights vulching our fields in that area... the only area remaining to Rookland and just a corner of the map... It is a shame that you don't show any shot of the rooster at that moment.
For you SKILLFULL ACES, plz explain to my how to counterattack, trying to pass 10 buffs through a gang of 50 knights. What we dis was just an alternative... but probably THE ONLY ONE.
YES... we were loosing all fields... and YES we were doing as much as we could to save them.
Why don't say anything now about those KAMIKAZE knights, diving on the CVs and FHs, EVERY NIGHT, droping the bombs barely 100 feet before dying. Some of you stink as bad as we did that night, or worse.
Why is it that i don't feel any shame or dishonor????
But if you do have any trouble with it, if I hurt the MACHO FEELING of any ace of the arena, you can post your messages directly to ME on our forum at, and will be properly answered:
http://www.melodysoft.com/cgi-bin/foro.cgi?ID=101 (http://www.melodysoft.com/cgi-bin/foro.cgi?ID=101)
GADGET
(http://www.geocities.com/ala-10/_private/FIRMA.gif)
101 Escuadrón de Combate Virtual (http://www.geocities.com/ala-10/)
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Is the topic without merit for discussion?
It doesn't matter what other ways people exploit a loophole (if this even indeed unintentional, which I am not sure is the case), the concern is whether this is intended or should be allowed if it is not.
Actually, flying off the map is a topic that merits discussion Keiren, it is not a topic that merrits accusations, insults, witch-hunts and overall bad-mouthing.
You tell me what direction this thread went.
I do like the idea of a single sector all-water boundary. It gives an extra 25 miles of warning. I don't like the idea of calling people cheaters, hacks, dweebs and so forth.
AKDejaVu
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AKSeaWulfe:
If he is going to ask the questons, then why not give his answers to them as well.
Oh, and AKDejaVu, how about this one.
Have you ever used a ostwind to attack a field with.
My answer, When the ostwind first came out, I like everbody else checked it out, and used it the first couple of weeks. But now should I use the ostwind it is only on defence. I dont like the dweebs that use it to level the acks and Vh at a field and then sit at the runways padding there scores, and I will make danm sure I let who ever is doing it know I thing they are a queer cross dressing closet queen studmuffinot. and I dont care what team they are on, wheather it be the Rooks, the Bishops or the Knights.
I my self do not look for ways to game the game. I have never taken a buff off the map, I dont take buffs to 30+K. the only time I can remember going off the map was when chasing a lanc. I dont use the ostwind to attack enemy fields. I fly what ever plane I fly and try my best to win what ever fight I am in.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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Forced to agree with DejaVu (gads, did I actually say that?:O) here. If we're going to discuss this, let's keep the discussion productive, focused, and unemotional. See my post for an attempt to do just that:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/008549.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/008549.html)
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Sabre (a.k.a. Rojo)
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Well Gadget, Why dont you guys take off your planes one by one and collect your planes together 100miles off map ?
That way we can't even see when you are launching your bombers.
Looks like you guys are proud what you did?
Oh sorry; "I did it for my country" phrase sucks in this situation imo.
In which situation is it acceptable to fly off map with bomber-group? If just after reset my country lose one field should we took of our bombers and fly off-map to your City/HQ?
Maybe after we lost two or three fields?
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But the $30 price tag will keep stuff like this out, right guys? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 03-10-2001).]
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I have great respect for those who adopt some personal code of conduct and fly by it. However you're only setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect others to agree with and abide by your code.
I don't see anything 'wrong' with flying off the map. If the tactic is well known and there is no clear concensus within the community as to it's validity, then using said tactic cannot justifiably called cheating. IMHO it's not even a true bug. You could argue it's an undesirable feature, but a true bug (again IMHO) is something the creators of the game do not know about and/or did not intend. The main arena is an unrealistic gamers playground and crafty gamers are going to do anything the game allows- be it bug or undesirable feature. To expect otherwise is as unrealistic as the arena itself.
From a strategic prospective I think off-map raids and HQ strikes in general are a poor choice. They are hardly foolproof, require expenditure of significant resources and take some planning to execute correctly. Even when successful, such raids only force an enemy, perhaps a previously disorganized one, to work become coordinated- usually to the direct detriment of the HQ strikers. Rarely have I seen any side suffer an HQ attack (sneak or otherwise) and afterwards have any serious setbacks unless they were already getting overwhelmed before the HQ hit.
I'll save my getting upset for where someone violates the rules of a scenario or when someone goes about breaking the spirit of a historical arena.