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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Bino on November 17, 2013, 04:27:13 PM
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The December FSO is a little bit different from our usual. A “what-if?” situation set in June 1945, it includes the B-29 “Superfortress” in the strategic bombing of Germany. This setup also includes all the late-war American and German fighters, so you late-war enthusiasts out there should be able to find something to enjoy in this one. While the Allied bomber numbers are pretty closely tailored to the number of ground targets, both sides’ C-in-C will have considerable flexibility in assigning the various fighters.
There is about a week to update squad attendance numbers and your side and plane preferences. I’d like to finalize side assignments next weekend (Nov 23-24) and ship out the Frame 1 Objectives right afterwards. So please attend to your updates, squad COs.
Thanks! :salute
---bino
Setup:
http://www.ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html (http://www.ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html)
Schedule:
Frame 1 – Dec. 06, 2013
Frame 2 – Dec. 13, 2013
Frame 3 – Dec. 20, 2013
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YES, this looks EPIC.........
BFOOT1, this has us written all over it. I hope to see you up in the sky! :salute
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd476/AcesHighDitto/10GotchaBFOOT1.jpg)
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I'll have to point out a couple of things. Germany had more 262's even with realistic history. You're upgrading the bombers but Axis will still have 5 262 (probably scouts) as usual. A full German occupied Europe in 1945 would've saw Germany able to produce more 262's and maybe 163s plus have them operational. B-29s are dangerous and fast. You're looking at most likely a one-time pass on them by prop fighters if that.
Also you are using the No Fly Zone with a safe landing zone W of the 4 line. But in the scenario you've created that is German occupied territory. You may want to think about a different terrain map for this with the Channel being a NFZ. This would go along with your scenario of a failed D-Day invasion. I understand the NFZ is for time but I think you can do this by ruling that the B-29s (w/escort) be the only buffs to go deep since they have the speed and therefore shorter flight time. Then have closer targets only for the B-17s & B-24's.
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I'll have to point out a couple of things. Germany had more 262's even with realistic history. You're upgrading the bombers but Axis will still have 5 262 (probably scouts) as usual. A full German occupied Europe in 1945 would've saw Germany able to produce more 262's and maybe 163s plus have them operational. B-29s are dangerous and fast. You're looking at most likely a one-time pass on them by prop fighters if that.
Also you are using the No Fly Zone with a safe landing zone W of the 4 line. But in the scenario you've created that is German occupied territory. You may want to think about a different terrain map for this with the Channel being a NFZ. This would go along with your scenario of a failed D-Day invasion. I understand the NFZ is for time but I think you can do this by ruling that the B-29s (w/escort) be the only buffs to go deep since they have the speed and therefore shorter flight time. Then have closer targets only for the B-17s & B-24's.
The object of any FSO design is to attempt to 1.) provide a somewhat even fight and 2.) provide some historical flavor. All of that in a sixty-minute window. If instead we went for total historical accuracy, there would never be any fights over Germany, since it took the USAAF raids several hours just to reach the edge of German airspace.
As for this particular design, it has been reviewed by a number of AH players before publication. And the comments about it's being "unbalanced" are themselves remarkably balanced: the number of folks who think it might be an Axis romp is about the same as the number who think it may be an Allied landslide. I plan to go with the design as is - for now - and see how it plays out.
I hope that most folks can enjoy it. :salute
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YES, this looks EPIC.........
BFOOT1, this has us written all over it. I hope to see you up in the sky! :salute
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd476/AcesHighDitto/10GotchaBFOOT1.jpg)
Oh yes sir!!!!!!! :rock
We shall meet again Ditto, and maybe this time we will have a victor <S>
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:O
Not to apply pressure on the CMs, JG11 or G3-MF...
...Looks like there is a bit of unfinished business between KCDitto & BFOOT1... :t
If JG11 is willing, G3-MF would be willing to volunteer for Frame CiC one of those weeks in which I would have BFOOT1 do Allied planning if KCDitto did JG11's planning (assuming they want to be Axis).
I would request it be frame 3. BFOOT1 should be home from school for the holidays. I would help to guide BFOOT1 to ensure all of the requirements have been met.
Let those two war it out for a night! Any thoughts??? Agree??? Disagree???
:devil
:rock
SlipKnoT
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isnt this a little bit ONE sided for the planes set??? i mean. this is going to be a high alt event, the piston engined german fighter that were used in the HIGH alt role also had the AS high alt engine available...AND metyhenol/water injection(mw50).....these are NOT in aces high.......and so what has been done in this fantasy is add the best bomber the allies have and left the axis plane set with what it usually gets. what should be added is the ar 234 as the scout,as they were used in the recon role,and MORE me 262's to target the b-29's, and two groups of me163 to be used in two different target areas. this would be MORE historically accurate for the fantasy event,and can be done with what we have available.
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The 56th is in and will request P-47M, P-47D, and P-47N :D
I hope we catch JG11 in the virtual skies - always a worthy opponent.
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The 56th is in and will request P-47M, P-47D, and P-47N :D
I hope we catch JG11 in the virtual skies - always a worthy opponent.
Certainly a worthwhile battle shall ensue shall that occur.
I hope to "Kill my enemies in battle and hear the lamentations of their women"...................
:salute
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:O
Not to apply pressure on the CMs, JG11 or G3-MF...
...Looks like there is a bit of unfinished business between KCDitto & BFOOT1... :t
If JG11 is willing, G3-MF would be willing to volunteer for Frame CiC one of those weeks in which I would have BFOOT1 do Allied planning if KCDitto did JG11's planning (assuming they want to be Axis).
I would request it be frame 3. BFOOT1 should be home from school for the holidays. I would help to guide BFOOT1 to ensure all of the requirements have been met.
Let those two war it out for a night! Any thoughts??? Agree??? Disagree???
:devil
:rock
SlipKnoT
:lol
No harm no foul...but I know we are fresh off CiC duty and it would be between Ditto and Bino (JG11 CiC). But something tells me Ditto and Bfoot1 are looking for a more...up close and personal coming together. :airplane:
The 56th is in and will request P-47M, P-47D, and P-47N :D
I hope we catch JG11 in the virtual skies - always a worthy opponent.
<S>
Have to go back many many years since the last time the 56th and JG11 met at altitude and squadron strength while in the Jugs and Irons respectively.
All I recall is blukitty latching on to my arse and violating me repeatedly all the way from 30k to the deck... the horror!
I requested Ta152, Fw190D, and Fw190A. The first two just for the fact we never get to fly them in FSO. B29's? Bah! You can have Sabre's, if in the 1 in 5 chance over the three frames I can lead a squad of 152's in an FSO environment! That's what we call, Ausgezeichnet!!
See ya up!
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Looking at the write-up I see that ME-163 may be used.
1. With the limited flight time of the 163 and fields closing shortly after the start, will the 163 pilots (if any) just sit in their birds on the runway until needed?
2. Is it a onetime flight for the 163s or will they be allowed to launch again after a successful landing?
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:lol
No harm no foul...but I know we are fresh off CiC duty and it would be between Ditto and Bino (JG11 CiC). But something tells me Ditto and Bfoot1 are looking for a more...up close and personal coming together. :airplane:
<S>
Have to go back many many years since the last time the 56th and JG11 met at altitude and squadron strength while in the Jugs and Irons respectively.
All I recall is blukitty latching on to my arse and violating me repeatedly all the way from 30k to the deck... the horror!
I requested Ta152, Fw190D, and Fw190A. The first two just for the fact we never get to fly them in FSO. B29's? Bah! You can have Sabre's, if in the 1 in 5 chance over the three frames I can lead a squad of 152's in an FSO environment! That's what we call, Ausgezeichnet!!
See ya up!
Herr Stampf Ditto and I go back to November of '44 over the skies of Germany. Yes we hope to get up close and personal. I will be sporting my 355th FG skin in my P 51D with the squadron letters WR Z plane name 'Lil' Miss Ali' <S>
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The object of any FSO design is to attempt to 1.) provide a somewhat even fight and 2.) provide some historical flavor. All of that in a sixty-minute window. If instead we went for total historical accuracy, there would never be any fights over Germany, since it took the USAAF raids several hours just to reach the edge of German airspace.
As for this particular design, it has been reviewed by a number of AH players before publication. And the comments about it's being "unbalanced" are themselves remarkably balanced: the number of folks who think it might be an Axis romp is about the same as the number who think it may be an Allied landslide. I plan to go with the design as is - for now - and see how it plays out.
I hope that most folks can enjoy it. :salute
No, I wasn't asking for "total historical accuracy". It's a fictional storyline. So no one brought up that the Allied planes would be landing on German airfields? I think you need some new reviewers. Next time you do a setup, run it by me and I'll look it over for you.
It should be an ok FSO. Was just trying to point out some things. :salute
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It looks ok to me. It is fictional so anything goes. Nice to see the Ta 152 finally!! Too bad we can't enjoy it :(
Viel Glück Axis :salute
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So no one brought up that the Allied planes would be landing on German airfields
They are not landing on German airfields. They are landing on Allied airfields (being portrayed on that terrain) in England. Unless you want an SEA event that lasts for 6-8 hours (the typical mission flight time to Germany and return from Britain) we have to let the Allied planes land somewhere before T+120. Otherwise we could not do any kind of "Bomber Offensive to Germany" setup of any kind because the flight time to run it would be too long. In FSO the planes have 60 minutes to fly before they must rtb back to where they came from.
...I really dont want 8th AF setups that are limited to bombing the coast of France. The design is typical of any you would find in a Scenario, Snapshot, SEC, ect covering the same kind of thing with bombers flying to Germany from England and back including the Scenario "Battle over Germany" (2011) that had the first 3 frames prior to D-Day using the same Germany map with similar base locations. We did a B-29 setup vs Japan few times and they all landed on an island base 200 miles (8 sectors) south of Japan rather than flying the entire 1400 miles to bases in Saipan, im sure to the releif of most participants ;) There are design limits in what we can do in SEA designs. Regards. :salute
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Thank you Squire. You guys are a bit limited by distance details especially in Germany. Japan scenario was late so most everything SE of Japan was friendly. Just took the write up literally. It will be an interesting FSO.
Good luck everyone. :salute
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:O
Not to apply pressure on the CMs, JG11 or G3-MF...
...Looks like there is a bit of unfinished business between KCDitto & BFOOT1... :t
If JG11 is willing, G3-MF would be willing to volunteer for Frame CiC one of those weeks in which I would have BFOOT1 do Allied planning if KCDitto did JG11's planning (assuming they want to be Axis).
I would request it be frame 3. BFOOT1 should be home from school for the holidays. I would help to guide BFOOT1 to ensure all of the requirements have been met.
Let those two war it out for a night! Any thoughts??? Agree??? Disagree???
:devil
:rock
SlipKnoT
Thanks SlipKnot,
But this story goes back many a scenario and FSO battle in the AIR. BFOOT1 and I have tangled on many a fight and niether of us has gotten a kill on the other. Planes have been damaged and chased home but only to land safely. So there has been friendly banter back and forth as while the event is going on, niether of us knew WHO we were fighting and only later while watching film do we realize that DAMN that was BFOOT1 and I MISSED!
So while I like to be involved in planning, I am looking forward to the fight in the sky and do HOPE that I can get a Ta-152 H1 against his P-51 :salute
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I feel that the No Fly Zone is a bit too close to the targets. But we will see how it plays out.
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Should be a pretty cool setup. I don't see it as lopsided as some are playing it out to be. TA-152s and K4s are both fully capable high altitude interceptors. Luft boys have radar, more fighters, and know which targets are going to be hit. I it turns lopside, Perhaps make the 29s irreplaceable? ie If the pilot fails to land, that set of 29s isn't available in the next frame. Might make it a little more interesting.
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Thanks SlipKnot,
But this story goes back many a scenario and FSO battle in the AIR. BFOOT1 and I have tangled on many a fight and niether of us has gotten a kill on the other. Planes have been damaged and chased home but only to land safely. So there has been friendly banter back and forth as while the event is going on, niether of us knew WHO we were fighting and only later while watching film do we realize that DAMN that was BFOOT1 and I MISSED!
So while I like to be involved in planning, I am looking forward to the fight in the sky and do HOPE that I can get a Ta-152 H1 against his P-51 :salute
Oh yes indeed, in DGS II we ended up fighting each other in at least two different frames. In Battle of Britain, I collided with his wingman, in a recent FSO over the summer I nailed his 190 in my B-17, but he got home. As stated we have dueled on numerous occasions. Hopefully we will meet again this time with a victor.
:salute to Ditto who is always a great opponent and :salute to JG11
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I feel that the No Fly Zone is a bit too close to the targets. But we will see how it plays out.
Hate no fly zones myself...but I think the way Bino has it set up it will be a non issue.
Should be a pretty cool setup. I don't see it as lopsided as some are playing it out to be. TA-152s and K4s are both fully capable high altitude interceptors. Luft boys have radar, more fighters, and know which targets are going to be hit. I it turns lopside, Perhaps make the 29s irreplaceable? ie If the pilot fails to land, that set of 29s isn't available in the next frame. Might make it a little more interesting.
Agreed. So maybe some more bombs reach target...and maybe some more bombers make it home. More fun there I would think. We'll see.
The rest of the setup is business as usual...just with more of the planes we all enjoy. Looks like a Win/Win.
Not a bad way to finish out another great year of FSO.
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Just thinking the Axis forces might need some help against the Superforts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNDaOFQ6g2I
Smartphones optional. :devil
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Man, I am really looking forward to this upcoming FSO. I don't really care who wins, never do, but I bet it will be a fun challenge.
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At the risk of being a nag..
Frame 1 is in 4 days..
Shouldn't side-assignments and objectives be out?
:old:
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Agree- shouldn't we see orders by now?
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Coming tonight guys. Real world stuff. Stand bye.
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Thanks for the head's up - standing by.
:salute
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This FSO sounds like a blast, good way to end 2013.
Good luck gentleman and lets make this one an epic event,one we can tell our great grandchildren about.
162ndFG ready to have fun!
:salute
weiser
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Hey fellas,
I am of the opinion that it is a good idea to go ahead and upload the "Germany" terrain now. That way folks can go in sometime this week and download the terrain if they need too (i know we can get it from the HTC DL page too). My squad has a bunch of procrastinators and some will inevitably wait till T-10 to login to get the terrain :lol
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Hey fellas,
I am of the opinion that it is a good idea to go ahead and upload the "Germany" terrain now. That way folks can go in sometime this week and download the terrain if they need too (i know we can get it from the HTC DL page too). My squad has a bunch of procrastinators and some will inevitably wait till T-10 to login to get the terrain :lol
You can also grab the terrain any old time via the "Custom Arena" setup online. Just go create your own little arena, and specify the terrain map you want, "germany". That map will download to your computer. Then simply log off. After a few minutes inactivity, the host server will shut down your custom setup.
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Just out of curiosity here, no sarcasm or instigation intended with this but it is something I would like to know. why can the axis not use air starts?
I understand why allied bombers have air start use but why also give allied escort fighters air start use and deny all of the axis the same courtesy?
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Just out of curiosity here, no sarcasm or instigation intended with this but it is something I would like to know. why can the axis not use air starts?
I understand why allied bombers have air start use but why also give allied escort fighters air start use and deny all of the axis the same courtesy?
The airstarts simulate the long trip from bases in England.
Scrambling to intercept attacking bombers is kind of what the Luftwaffe did in the latter part of the war.
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You are absolutely right Bino about the Luftwaffe having to scramble to intercept incoming bomber streams and I also understand that time constraints and map sizes necessitate the need for air starts, but while the allies did do some bombing at around 28k, the average bombing altitude for allied raids over Germany circa 1944-45 is closer to 22k. There is a big difference in climb-to-alt times between those two figures. Maybe something to consider if the axis have trouble getting to an attack alt before the faster (than B17's and B24's) B29's show up over target during frame 1. Of course I could just be worried over nothing, and because of that I am trying to take a "wait and see" outlook on this "what if" FSO you guys cooked up.
I always knew that the CM team put in a lot of volunteer effort in order for us to have our fun on fridays, and after talking a little in person about it with shifty I realized that you guys put in even more time and effort than I had originally thought. A big <S> and thanks to the FSO CMs for your efforts.
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Yep it is going to be interesting to see just what the 29s do to this other wise fairly accurate mix of foes. Hope its workable but I'm certain any way it falls out we will have some fun.
You are absolutely right Bino about the Luftwaffe having to scramble to intercept incoming bomber streams and I also understand that time constraints and map sizes necessitate the need for air starts, but while the allies did do some bombing at around 28k, the average bombing altitude for allied raids over Germany circa 1944-45 is closer to 22k. There is a big difference in climb-to-alt times between those two figures. Maybe something to consider if the axis have trouble getting to an attack alt before the faster (than B17's and B24's) B29's show up over target during frame 1. Of course I could just be worried over nothing, and because of that I am trying to take a "wait and see" outlook on this "what if" FSO you guys cooked up.
I always knew that the CM team put in a lot of volunteer effort in order for us to have our fun on fridays, and after talking a little in person about it with shifty I realized that you guys put in even more time and effort than I had originally thought. A big <S> and thanks to the FSO CMs for your efforts.