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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: USCH on November 28, 2013, 09:08:30 PM
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Why does my 190 not have 144 of these? I'm thinking 4 or 5 guys with the 30 min delay option over town :banana:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsnfK-MeCE
And 3 250 kg option as well
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Why does my 190 not have 144 of these? I'm thinking 4 or 5 guys with the 30 min delay option over town :banana:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsnfK-MeCE
Probably for the same reason the Il-2 doesn't.
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The F8 should at least get the 2 250kg option. That would finally give us Luftweenies an attack aircraft that could compare with the American rides.
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AH's 190F-8 has a number of historically correct ordnance options that are not available. Namely, the 3/250kg option and the 8/50kg. Both of those options were used quite often especially on the Ost Front.
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The F8 should at least get the 2 250kg option. That would finally give us Luftweenies an attack aircraft that could compare with the American rides.
Do you mean two 500kg bomb option? Two 250kg bombs is only 1100lbs total and the same bomb load as the N1K2-J, Ki-43-II, Ki-61-I and Ki-84 carry.
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Do you mean two 500kg bomb option? Two 250kg bombs is only 1100lbs total and the same bomb load as the N1K2-J, Ki-43-II, Ki-61-I and Ki-84 carry.
Problem is the 190G carried the two 250KG bombs on the wings, the F-model we have did not. We should have the 8/50kg bomb option, however beware of what you wish for - the Rack made the F lose like 15mph+ and made it sluggish, kind of like gunpods for a 109.
Me and tank-ace battled this out a few times, while the very late model 109F/11 did carry the 250KG bomb options, it pretty much shifted protection to 190G models at this point.
I suggest adding the 190G-3 and the 8/50KG bomb options for the F model - I'm sure HTC can add this eventually.
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Problem is the 190G carried the two 250KG bombs on the wings, the F-model we have did not. We should have the 8/50kg bomb option, however beware of what you wish for - the Rack made the F lose like 15mph+ and made it sluggish, kind of like gunpods for a 109.
Me and tank-ace battled this out a few times, while the very late model 109F/11 did carry the 250KG bomb options, it pretty much shifted protection to 190G models at this point.
I suggest adding the 190G-3 and the 8/50KG bomb options for the F model - I'm sure HTC can add this eventually.
Somewhere there is a photo with an F model having 3/250kg bombs under it. If it was the F-11 that carried the 3/250kg bombs, just what is the difference between the -8 and -11?
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I have a pic, in a book. But even if I could take a photo of it, I'm too dumb to be able to properly post it.
I have a 190A-1 pic with 8 SC-50's and a 190-G-3 with 3 250 kg's
They are in FOCKE-WULF Fw190 Volume Two 1943-1944 by J Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek.
I'm hoping to get Vol. One soon and hope to find more. When my real PC is back up maybe I can give more info from this well done book.
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I have a pic, in a book. But even if I could take a photo of it, I'm too dumb to be able to properly post it.
I have a 190A-1 pic with 8 SC-50's and a 190-G-3 with 3 250 kg's
They are in FOCKE-WULF Fw190 Volume Two 1943-1944 by J Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek.
I'm hoping to get Vol. One soon and hope to find more. When my real PC is back up maybe I can give more info from this well done book.
Nice. :aok
Can you or anyone else enlighten me as to the main differences of the F and G models? Is the major difference only the fuel range?
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Well not really, most G's are really A's from what I can tell,I'm sure more people know more, my knowledge is more generall accost the aircraft board. If you look up 190 variants on Wikipedia you can get a better knowledge of it all.
On a side note if I can take a pic, I'll try, here I have what seems to be origanal factory info on 190 A4 and A5 with different bomb loads, and the speeds they ran with and without bombs, but its all in German!
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Well, being on my gf's iPad, and as dumb as I am I can't get the pic from her email to this page. (Don't tell me how cuz it just won't compute for me lol)
Anyway I'll type up (as best I can) the info I have here.
Fw 190 Jagdbomber-groBer Reichweite
(Jabo-Rei) mit Kuto-Nase, Kurssteuerung, FuG16z
Zielfug-und Peilvorsatz
Musterflugzeuge A-4/U8 Nov 1942
Vorlaufig Serinflugzeuge A-5/U8 ab Dez 1942
Serienflugzeuge G-1 ab Juni 1943
2 MG 151 je150 SchuB
Am Rumpf: 1SC 500 normal
Am Flugel : 4SC 50 normal ZAR od. Stabo
Od. 4SD 70 normal
ZAR od. Stabo od. 4ab 23,24,36,45
Fluggewitcht 4680kg bis 4790kg
Vmax mit bomben 570km/h
Ohne bomben 620km/h
Reichweite 735km
That's the info from the copy, but just one of 8 different ord set ups and speeds.
We have 8 sc 50's, 3 250kg's, 4sc 50's and a 300ltr DT, 2 250's with a 300ltr DT, 2 300ltr DT's and 4 sc 50's, 1 sc 250 and 2 300ltr DT's, 1 sc 500 and 2 300ltr DT's.
and all the info that goes with them too, but I'm tired of typing...
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Problem is the 190G carried the two 250KG bombs on the wings, the F-model we have did not. We should have the 8/50kg bomb option, however beware of what you wish for - the Rack made the F lose like 15mph+ and made it sluggish, kind of like gunpods for a 109.
Me and tank-ace battled this out a few times, while the very late model 109F/11 did carry the 250KG bomb options, it pretty much shifted protection to 190G models at this point.
I suggest adding the 190G-3 and the 8/50KG bomb options for the F model - I'm sure HTC can add this eventually.
And it would be perfectly valid to add those bombs to the 190F-8, given that they were indeed carried by the F-8/U1, regardless of if we find a photograph showing 3 250kg bombs on what is definitively proven to be an F-8 or not, as we can find pictures of F-8's carrying two of them under the wings.
Besides that, it completely ignores the 1000kg AP bomb, 1000kg GP bomb, the 210mm WGr 28 air to ground rockets, R4M's, the droptanks it could carry in the F-8/U1 configuration (identicle to the F-8 save that there were ETC 503's mounted to the wings, capable of carrying either 300L drop tanks, or 250kg bombs).
One other loadout we might be able to get was the torpedoes for the F-8/U2 (one under each wing, so they would be smaller torpedoes most likely). I can't recall if it was just the U-3 that was experimental, or if both the U2 and U3 were.
While I don't disagree the G should be added at some point, I also don't think we should wait for HTC to model an entire new variant to remedy a pretty big problem. Our current F-8 is handicapped even worse than the P-47 would be if you restricted it to 10 HVAR's and the single 500lb bomb or droptank on the center.
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Somewhere there is a photo with an F model having 3/250kg bombs under it. If it was the F-11 that carried the 3/250kg bombs, just what is the difference between the -8 and -11?
I think he meant to say F-8/1 (meaning F-8/U1), and just hit the key twice. As far as I can find, there was no F-11 model.
Really, the only F models built in any real quantity were the F-3 and F-8, and possibly the F-9, depending on just how crappy one holds the record keeping to be at the end of the war. Models F-4 and F-7 were abandoned after limited effectiveness of the F-3 (which I would still like to see added, so we can get those sweet Mk 103's on a 190 :x).
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Somewhere there is a photo with an F model having 3/250kg bombs under it. If it was the F-11 that carried the 3/250kg bombs, just what is the difference between the -8 and -11?
Here's what I can find -
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/bombrack.jpg)
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/bombrack2.jpg)
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Butcher, what book is that from, I'm just wondering if I have it around the house. Showing the F, is great and I thank you for it. My pic is clearly a G-3. And clearly a different aircraft and pick, so imo its just helping us to get to the goal.
Now is that the same F we have in game? What F model DO we have?
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Butcher, what book is that from, I'm just wondering if I have it around the house. Showing the F, is great and I thank you for it. My pic is clearly a G-3. And clearly a different aircraft and pick, so imo its just helping us to get to the goal.
Now is that the same F we have in game? What F model DO we have?
The book is called Monogram Close-up #8 the 190F
We have the 190F-8, what this is showing is the 190F-8/R1, however as the photo says, the new bomb racks were introduced in late 1944 (September+) It was cheaper to build and able to haul far heavier loads. Problem is the 190F8 series was modified and updated quite a few times.
One thing Tank did was discontinue the 190G series and continue to upgrade 190F8 series.
How HTC wants to do this I have no clue, I would assume if he adds the 190F-9 to the game, he can easily add the racks for the 190F8. My biggest problem is the early 190f8 models did not have these racks installed, what was produced in large numbers is what we have in game 190F-8. However later in the war, modifications were always made, in this case a newer and cheaper rack was built and added to whatever was in production.
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But what important is that, functionally, there was virtually no difference between the base model 190F-8, and all of its various /R and /U subvariants. Same engine used, with exception of the F-8/U3, which received the uprated 801S engine, IIRC. Same airframe, same propeller, same exhaust, same guns (mostly). Biggest difference was the bomb racks and internal equipment such as radios and the like.
There's literally not a single solitary thing standing in the way of giving the 190F-8 more of its historical ordnance options (3 250kg bombs included), save for HTC's level of interest.
Oh, and I can't recall, did we ever settle the 2 250kg + 1 500kg bomb matter? Best I can remember, it was entirely possible to do without any modification to the U1 subvariant, but we lacked definitive photographic evidence.
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Oh, and I can't recall, did we ever settle the 2 250kg + 1 500kg bomb matter? Best I can remember, it was entirely possible to do without any modification to the U1 subvariant, but we lacked definitive photographic evidence.
From what I gather, it was possible to use - whether it was used or not? I think only one squadron in Italy used it - SG4 and KG51 on the eastern front. From what I seen it was used in combat, even if it was a very small scale. However - this was such a late modified F-8 its hard to say whether our F-8 would be updated.
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why not just add the FW-190 G series, this was the long range varient with three hard points for bombs or drop tanks. it could use one bomb in center and two drop tanks...or two bombs outboard and a drop tank or three bombs.
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why not just add the FW-190 G series, this was the long range varient with three hard points for bombs or drop tanks. it could use one bomb in center and two drop tanks...or two bombs outboard and a drop tank or three bombs.
Because its an entirely new aircraft, would require a new skin, new modeling for weight and center of gravity beyond the ordnance loadouts, changed armament, and the end result would essentially give us a very slightly more flexible 190F-8/U1.
HTC could give us almost all of the options the 190F-8 had using only components that are in the game, no new modeling required.
190F-8: in game (duh)
ETC 503 bomb rack: in game
300L drop tank: in game
250kg bomb: in game
1000kg GP bomb: in game
1000kg AP bomb: in game
The only thing that would require entirely new visual modeling would be the 4 50kg bomb rack on the centerline, and the torpedoes/racks for the /U2 should they choose to add it.
From what I gather, it was possible to use - whether it was used or not? I think only one squadron in Italy used it - SG4 and KG51 on the eastern front. From what I seen it was used in combat, even if it was a very small scale. However - this was such a late modified F-8 its hard to say whether our F-8 would be updated.
I'm a bit inclined to doubt it. The F-8 seems to have used mostly the same engine from mid production run onwards (notable exception being the /U3).
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why not just add the FW-190 G series, this was the long range varient with three hard points for bombs or drop tanks. it could use one bomb in center and two drop tanks...or two bombs outboard and a drop tank or three bombs.
If only it were that easy. :aok
Me thinks it would make far great er sense for HTC to just add the 3/250kg bomb and 8/50kg bomb options to the 190F-8 since it appears that the F-8 did in fact carry those ordnance options.
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Here's what I can find -
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/bombrack.jpg)
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/bombrack2.jpg)
Thats an A-5... notice prototype ...and the picture was takin at a test facility <the name escapes me at the moment ..Tarnewitz?> most of the ordinance option pictures taken there were never used operationaly.
:cheers:,
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Thats an A-5... notice prototype ...and the picture was takin at a test facility <the name escapes me at the moment ..Tarnewitz?> most of the ordinance option pictures taken there were never used operationaly.
:cheers:,
cheers Mega, I didn't know that