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Title: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: colmbo on December 04, 2013, 04:07:19 PM
Is there a preference?  Have a new iMac with i7 CPU, 64 bit.

I assume installing the 64 bit version of Windows 8 would be the way to go.

Mac user so I'm pretty much clueless about computers.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: SirNuke on December 04, 2013, 04:11:20 PM
if your computer is sporting more than 4GB ram go with 64bits, 32bits won't exploit it all.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Kenne on December 04, 2013, 04:48:02 PM
if your computer is sporting more than 4GB ram go with 64bits, 32bits won't exploit it all.

 :salute
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: colmbo on December 04, 2013, 05:11:31 PM
16GB Ram

Thanks for the assist.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: FLS on December 04, 2013, 05:50:43 PM
Get Win 7 instead of 8.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Kenne on December 04, 2013, 06:04:46 PM
Get Win 7 instead of 8.

which version of 64 bit 7?
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: FLS on December 04, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Home version should suit.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: colmbo on December 04, 2013, 08:28:22 PM
Get Win 7 instead of 8.

)(*&#^!!  Already pickup up and installed 8.  Not happy.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: FLS on December 04, 2013, 08:54:48 PM
I was going to suggest the Windows key + X for control panel etc but you have a Mac.  :bhead
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: jigsaw on December 04, 2013, 11:28:45 PM
Home version should suit.

Home version works great for most people. Get Pro if you're going to be using more than 16 gigs of memory (Home limitation).
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Kenne on December 04, 2013, 11:49:47 PM
Home version works great for most people. Get Pro if you're going to be using more than 16 gigs of memory (Home limitation).

im gonna have 16G in my nu rig.

home will recognize it?
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 05, 2013, 12:21:54 AM
)(*&#^!!  Already pickup up and installed 8.  Not happy.

Just install classic shell and you'll hardly even notice it's not Win7.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: SirNuke on December 05, 2013, 02:22:06 AM
Home version works great for most people. Get Pro if you're going to be using more than 16 gigs of memory (Home limitation).

never heard of that, I'll look it up.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: jigsaw on December 05, 2013, 06:26:03 AM
im gonna have 16G in my nu rig.

home will recognize it?

If the motherboard supports more than 16 the motherboard will recognize it. Windows will "see" it, but wont use it.  One of the big reasons I went from Home Premium to Pro, among other things.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

Scroll down to the "Physical Memory Limits: Windows 7" section.  Home Basic caps at 8. Premium at 16.  Pro and above cap at 192, but most non server motherboards/cpus cap at 24 or 32 depending on how old they are.  Some people have been able to stick more than 24 on a "24" board and have it work, but then you're pretty much experimenting anyway.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 05, 2013, 06:53:01 AM
Most people will not exceed 8 Gb ram use in their typical tasks (desktop, gaming) so 16 gigs is more than enough unless you use very heavy applications on your computer.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Kenne on December 05, 2013, 03:14:25 PM
Most people will not exceed 8 Gb ram use in their typical tasks (desktop, gaming) so 16 gigs is more than enough unless you use very heavy applications on your computer.

with ea nu OS since 3.1 in 1993, iv doubled the ram.
xp had 4 vista-64 had 8, and W7-64 will have 16.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Bino on December 05, 2013, 08:07:39 PM
with ea nu OS since 3.1 in 1993, iv doubled the ram.
xp had 4 vista-64 had 8, and W7-64 will have 16.

Unless you do heavy editing of large binary stuff like video, audio, or graphics, all Windows will do with the extra RAM is use it as hard disk cache.  Which is not all that bad a use for it, really.  Although personally, I'd save the $100 from the second 8 GB of RAM and put it toward a better video card.

Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Kenne on December 05, 2013, 09:22:15 PM
Unless you do heavy editing of large binary stuff like video, audio, or graphics, all Windows will do with the extra RAM is use it as hard disk cache.  Which is not all that bad a use for it, really.  Although personally, I'd save the $100 from the second 8 GB of RAM and put it toward a better video card.


760s not bad.

toms recommended it.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: ELD66 on December 06, 2013, 12:12:58 AM
32bit cannot use all of the power that most CPU's can use. So 64bit was introduced, depending on the spec's of your PC it will either have a major advantage or none at all.

 As for windows systems and memory allotment's,
Win 7
Basic 8gb, good for most games.
Pro 16gb, Even better for games.
Ultimate 196gb. < Most PC's useless above 16gb unless you do video rendering, or your motherboard, cpu, gpu are all geared for playing games at max performance.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: save on December 07, 2013, 07:01:25 PM
With more than 12 gb you normally dont not need any pagefile under normal cicumstances, which in return makes the comp. faster.

Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Karnak on December 07, 2013, 10:03:52 PM
For what its worth, Classic Shell is what I installed for my wife on her Win8 laptop.

It most certainly does not act at all like Win7.  To claim it does is pretty egregious false advertising.

Win8 always wants to go back to its tablet interface.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 08, 2013, 02:48:13 AM
For what its worth, Classic Shell is what I installed for my wife on her Win8 laptop.

It most certainly does not act at all like Win7.  To claim it does is pretty egregious false advertising.

Win8 always wants to go back to its tablet interface.

Excuse me? That makes no sense at all. The only time it will possibly go back to the tablet interface is if you use some function that is hotwired to use it. All regular functions happen on regular desktop after installing classic shell. It even boots directly to the desktop.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: Karnak on December 08, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
Excuse me? That makes no sense at all. The only time it will possibly go back to the tablet interface is if you use some function that is hotwired to use it. All regular functions happen on regular desktop after installing classic shell. It even boots directly to the desktop.
Every time you exit an application it goes to the Win8 tile interface.  There are other Win8isms as well.

So far as I can tell the only thing Classic Shell does is give a crappy version of the Win7 start menu and a desktop at start.  Everything else remains Win8.
Title: Re: 32bit vs 64bit
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 08, 2013, 12:09:02 PM
Every time you exit an application it goes to the Win8 tile interface.  There are other Win8isms as well.

So far as I can tell the only thing Classic Shell does is give a crappy version of the Win7 start menu and a desktop at start.  Everything else remains Win8.

LOL no it doesn't unless you use metro applications which naturally will close to the metro screen. Give me one example where you use an app and it closes to metro screen pls.