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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Mystic2 on December 04, 2013, 08:00:24 PM
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The Germany map is set up and ready for download. :salute
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JG54 would like to apologized to the Allied pilots ahead of time......for beating their butts even with B29's. we hope you won't be to dejected flying home, and we are offering free fruit cakes and apfel strudel to the surviving allied pilots as a consolation prize!! :rofl
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Oooohhhhhhhh Jaeger...
I love you!!! But I HATE strudel!!!
:D
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When are we going to have an FSO that doesn't favor the Axis? With the exception of BOB, the last 3 have heavily favored the Axis. I thought BOB was balanced and I, in fact, flew for the LW ... Axis. That was the last time I enjoyed FSO.
Superforts: LW gets to have all fighters. Allies have to take 50 pilots out to be bombers. LW outnumbers Allied slightly overall and then subtract 50 pilots out from the Allied side. Result: Allied massacre.
Stalingrad: LW gets to fly all the good fighters. Russians get to fly crappy Russian planes. I16s? Really? Against 109s? Oh yeah, the 111 rearming thing was suppose to balance it out. Well it didn't.
Green Desert: Kind of the same as Superforts. Allies have to subtract a bunch of pilots to fly bombers. Axis has all fighters. Axis knows exactly what the targets are going to be. How hard is that? Allied massacre.
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Logs don't show a massacre for frame 1 in Superforts? I must say the kill-losses are reasonably close (82-113 a diff of 31 )with the Allies destroying a lot of real estate (153 targets) as well. I don't see it as a blow out or anything like that for either side. Truth be told it looks like an average result.
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When are we going to have an FSO that doesn't favor the Axis? With the exception of BOB, the last 3 have heavily favored the Axis. I thought BOB was balanced and I, in fact, flew for the LW ... Axis. That was the last time I enjoyed FSO.
Superforts: LW gets to have all fighters. Allies have to take 50 pilots out to be bombers. LW outnumbers Allied slightly overall and then subtract 50 pilots out from the Allied side. Result: Allied massacre.
Stalingrad: LW gets to fly all the good fighters. Russians get to fly crappy Russian planes. I16s? Really? Against 109s? Oh yeah, the 111 rearming thing was suppose to balance it out. Well it didn't.
Green Desert: Kind of the same as Superforts. Allies have to subtract a bunch of pilots to fly bombers. Axis has all fighters. Axis knows exactly what the targets are going to be. How hard is that? Allied massacre.
Yeah you guys only got Superforts, air starts almost on top of targets, a nice selection of late war uber-rides to choose from, and a no fly zone on top of it all. I guess we should have been forced to intercept you in Emils and 110C's.. Maybe if every guy I encountered hadn't instantly run stick stirring for the deck you would have killed a bit more. :\
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Good thing you didnt run into our B17s and escorts we had!
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When are we going to have an FSO that doesn't favor the Axis? With the exception of BOB, the last 3 have heavily favored the Axis. I thought BOB was balanced and I, in fact, flew for the LW ... Axis. That was the last time I enjoyed FSO.
Superforts: LW gets to have all fighters. Allies have to take 50 pilots out to be bombers. LW outnumbers Allied slightly overall and then subtract 50 pilots out from the Allied side. Result: Allied massacre.
Stalingrad: LW gets to fly all the good fighters. Russians get to fly crappy Russian planes. I16s? Really? Against 109s? Oh yeah, the 111 rearming thing was suppose to balance it out. Well it didn't.
Green Desert: Kind of the same as Superforts. Allies have to subtract a bunch of pilots to fly bombers. Axis has all fighters. Axis knows exactly what the targets are going to be. How hard is that? Allied massacre.
Just eat your strudel, I had mine it's not half bad.
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To the 2 190's <S> I ended up with a disco, figures!
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I would say this setup very much favors the allies. The AK's were still climbing before the first fighter sweep arrived. We will do the best we can...
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We were the first fighter sweep that arrived and ran right into the AKs. Granted we had 2 guys at a higher alt but my flight was co-alt with the AKs. 109s fly right past me and when I turned around, still co-alt and the fight was on.
I'm glad to know the LW guys think this frame favors the Allies. I guess it favors the Allies because our bombers got to hit some targets. Our fighter sweep ran into 2 squads: AKs and FBs. Don't know the exact numbers but it was at least 2 to 1 if not 3 to 1. We landed 3 out of 14. Of course the grass is always greener on the other side. Like I said, really enjoyed BOB. Could have played either side there ... equal opportunity for the fighters and ... pretty much ... equal fighters.
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Great fun AKs and Freebirds. No excuses just good hard fighting is how you guys won the little piece of the sky my flight was in. :salute
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To the 2 190's <S> I ended up with a disco, figures!
:salute 6gun
I believe that was SDpops57 and me. Thought we were totally going to get pasted when you you guys arrived while we were still climbing!
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Had a great time of fighting the Ak's FB's and muppets last night <S>
Love the high altitude scraps and no la7s.
Nice work 56th I think we at least disrupted these guys and made it tough for them to get at the bombers and get good runs in.
Hub
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Hard fought action and a resounding Allied victory in our sector.
Simply could not stop the lethal B-24's.
Looking forward to Frame 2.
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As Alpo said 6 gun I think that was us. By the way do you still have my left Aileron, I'd kind of like to patch the bullet holes and reinstall it! :salute
To the 2 190's <S> I ended up with a disco, figures!
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Some of the guys from Australia experienced frame lock up when within gun range of the big B29 formation. As soon as I hit D800 my frame rate dropped to less than 5 and I had no control. Once it cleared I had a pw and no tail. So I spent 20 mins climbing to 30+k to be killed by frame lock up. Was still fun though while it lasted. <S>
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Please don't mistake my observation as a whine. It was a great battle that's for sure, one I should have not survived. I made a lot of errors.
I would have been nice though to get on station before the armada arrived.
:salute to the 47's and 38's who granted me a landing.
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When are we going to have an FSO that doesn't favor the Axis? With the exception of BOB, the last 3 have heavily favored the Axis. I thought BOB was balanced and I, in fact, flew for the LW ... Axis. That was the last time I enjoyed FSO.
Superforts: LW gets to have all fighters. Allies have to take 50 pilots out to be bombers. LW outnumbers Allied slightly overall and then subtract 50 pilots out from the Allied side. Result: Allied massacre.
Stalingrad: LW gets to fly all the good fighters. Russians get to fly crappy Russian planes. I16s? Really? Against 109s? Oh yeah, the 111 rearming thing was suppose to balance it out. Well it didn't.
Green Desert: Kind of the same as Superforts. Allies have to subtract a bunch of pilots to fly bombers. Axis has all fighters. Axis knows exactly what the targets are going to be. How hard is that? Allied massacre.
in looking athe logs from yesterday. a full squadron of b24's literally massacred each other.
semp
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(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/b-29shot3_zpsab85f74a.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/WWhiskey/media/b-29shot3_zpsab85f74a.jpg.html)
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Hard fought action and a resounding Allied victory in our sector.
Simply could not stop the lethal B-24's.
Looking forward to Frame 2.
That was the ClaimJumpers you ran into Stampf. <S>
I thought it was a blast.
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Wonder if some guys know that gunning a bomber in FSO is different than in the MA in that you can shoot down your fellow bomber wingman. In the MA you don't even kill-shoot yourself if you hit other bombers in your formation. Also, is there a server limit on how many bombs it can track? Seems that when we dropped our 1200 bombs on A35 (in practice and frame 1) from our B29 formation some of them just didn't hit the ground.
Blackbird
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That was the ClaimJumpers you ran into Stampf. <S>
I thought it was a blast.
Indeed it was...though felt more like an aluminum freight train... Well done. <S>
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Wonder if some guys know that gunning a bomber in FSO is different than in the MA in that you can shoot down your fellow bomber wingman. In the MA you don't even kill-shoot yourself if you hit other bombers in your formation. Also, is there a server limit on how many bombs it can track? Seems that when we dropped our 1200 bombs on A35 (in practice and frame 1) from our B29 formation some of them just didn't hit the ground.
Blackbird
we were the TA152s that attacked you just as you dropped bombs. Our entire squad had issues from that point on, stutters, lock ups and very low frame rates. Maybe there was too much going on at once.
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Nope you have uncovered the Allies most secret weapon---The super duper whammy jammer!-- :rofl Don't get all wound up, I was just making a joke.
we were the TA152s that attacked you just as you dropped bombs. Our entire squad had issues from that point on, stutters, lock ups and very low frame rates. Maybe there was too much going on at once.
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I had a blast!
<S> the AKs, FBs, and Muppets. Great fights fellas (and lady).
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Wonder if some guys know that gunning a bomber in FSO is different than in the MA in that you can shoot down your fellow bomber wingman.
The regulars are well aware of killshooter being off in FSO. My Checkertail boys were flying a very close formation of B24 (with formations). I think perhaps too close, as it's apparent that there were many kills and assists awarded on ourselves - except me of course, because I'm just a Dot. :D
My only complaint was that I sawed the wings off of two 109s and I think I had a third going down, but go zero credit for any of them because I lost my last drone while those guys were still riding their wrecks down from 14,000'. :furious
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Also, is there a server limit on how many bombs it can track? Seems that when we dropped our 1200 bombs on A35 (in practice and frame 1) from our B29 formation some of them just didn't hit the ground.
Blackbird
I dropped in on a B29 just as the bombs started falling. As I opened fire, frame rate dropped to 1 then locked up. I got a flicker of movement again then it was the inside of the tower. The tower rattled and banged for about 10 seconds with the lagging machine gun hit sounds. I'm thinking that there were just too many objects in the area or there was something else in play.
Btw, while I was in the tower the whole danged field erupted. I think there was a FH and an ammo standing. Everything else, including the ack just blew up. Darn good bombing (yes it looked like about 1200 bomb hits).
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I dropped in a B29 just as the bombs started falling. As I opened fire, frame rate dropped to 1 then locked up. I got a flicker of movement again then it was the inside of the tower. The tower rattled and banged for about 10 seconds with the lagging machine gun hit sounds. I'm thinking that there were just too many objects in the area or there was something else in play.
Btw, while I was in the tower the whole danged field erupted. I think there was a FH and an ammo standing. Everything else, including the ack just blew up. Darn good bombing (yes it looked like about 1200 bomb hits).
I imagine the clouds played a major factor. My frame rate was worse while looking towards the ground, especially with all the 29s and 51s in the area.
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I imagine the clouds played a major factor. My frame rate was worse while looking towards the ground, especially with all the 29s and 51s in the area.
for FSOs...do you turn all the eye candy off?
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Which country are the allies assigned on the map?
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Allies are almost always Bish
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Allies are almost always Bish
Not that there is anything wrong with that....
:D
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There is an old setup rule. Well, It's not a rule, more like a guideline. And every map is different. Some are harder to bend to our wills. But most times Bishops = Allied and Knights = Axis with CM country as Rooks. It's a trick we use to upload the logs.
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So much for Allied buffs obeying the alt cap inbound to A69....
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What alt. is the buff cap
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We had some B-29s over 72.. I was just over 27k and heading towards the 29s that looked considerably higher.
Just checked my film.. in the film it showed them at 25.5k... well below the 28k cap. Must be a perspective thing.
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Ran some numbers for Frame 2 and was very surprised. Kinda because we had a tough go with the B17's we engaged. The P47M's they had as escort were numerous and good. :salute
(unofficial)
Out of 30 B-29's (10 pilots), 20 were shot down.
Out of 75 B-17's (25 pilots), 26 were shot down. (think we got 6)
Out of 102 B-24's (34 pilots), 55 were shot down.
That's 101 bombers. Almost 1/2 of the 207 total bombers flying.
But only 16 out of 69 actual bomber pilots didn't successfully land.
Looks like they still had a high O.D. count though.
'Well Done' to the Axis that downed the B-29's. I humbly stand corrected by my initial thoughts, Bino. :aok
With some adjusted numbers and targets, I wonder what single bombers would be like. (?)
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Ran some numbers for Frame 2 and was very surprised. Kinda because we had a tough go with the B17's we engaged. The P47M's they had as escort were numerous and good. :salute
(unofficial)
Out of 30 B-29's (10 pilots), 20 were shot down.
Out of 75 B-17's (25 pilots), 26 were shot down. (think we got 6)
Out of 102 B-24's (34 pilots), 55 were shot down.
That's 101 bombers. Almost 1/2 of the 207 total bombers flying.
But only 16 out of 69 actual bomber pilots didn't successfully land.
Looks like they still had a high O.D. count though.
'Well Done' to the Axis that downed the B-29's. I humbly stand corrected by my initial thoughts, Bino. :aok
With some adjusted numbers and targets, I wonder what single bombers would be like. (?)
Representing 15% of the B29 Casualties, let me shout out to the 68th Lightning Lancers for demonstration HOW to attack bombers. en Masse and VERY well coordinated.
Anybody who thinks bomber guns are overmodelled should fly with these guys.. then STFU.
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We had some B-29s over 72.. I was just over 27k and heading towards the 29s that looked considerably higher.
Just checked my film.. in the film it showed them at 25.5k... well below the 28k cap. Must be a perspective thing.
At first the 24's we encountered looked high too. They weren't. Curvature of the earth maybe :)
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At first the 24's we encountered looked high too. They weren't. Curvature of the earth maybe :)
We had the same illusion with some B-17s we were escorting. In the distance it looked as if they were above 30K when we first met them. Once we closed on them they were well below us.
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So much for Allied buffs obeying the alt cap inbound to A69....
Make sure to check your films before making accusations, If I remember right I was at 25,100ish when calibrated for target, and I don't remember any 24 being much higher then me. Target alt was 25k for VF-17, if any of our guys were above that, it wasn't caught by me or the CO, otherwise it would have been immediately corrected. Buffs always look to be higher then they actually are in most cases.
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BigRat
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Make sure to check your films before making accusations, If I remember right I was at 25,100ish when calibrated for target, and I don't remember any 24 being much higher then me. Target alt was 25k for VF-17, if any of our guys were above that, it wasn't caught by me or the CO, otherwise it would have been immediately corrected. Buffs always look to be higher then they actually are in most cases.
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BigRat
When we were on the attack approach I could hear friendlies saying bombers were over 30K. When I picked up the formations they did indeed appear to be very high. I was first ship in on the attack. I flew through the entire stream of 24's on my first run.
No Allied Buffs were over the alt limit. Not even close.
<S>
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i checked the film after the FSO, the bombers were all around 25k. the only thing over 30k was the their skirts hiked up. the bombers themselves were just fine!
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YUP they were lighting up the sky at 25K :devil
Thanks guys that was a fun night :salute
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd476/AcesHighDitto/23TheROMANCANDLEofaircraft.jpg)
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Representing 15% of the B29 Casualties, let me shout out to the 68th Lightning Lancers for demonstration HOW to attack bombers. en Masse and VERY well coordinated.
Anybody who thinks bomber guns are overmodelled should fly with these guys.. then STFU.
We got lucky with having the Plissken and the Unforgiven flying around to intercept your fighter cover.
It'd be nice next time if you guys would stay out of your guns though and not shoot at us though. :devil
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Yea you guys hit us right as we went into our bomb sights. In fact many died in F6 mode :O. If I didn't do a quick pickup of Branch as my gunner, I probably would have shared the same fate. Nice job defenders of A69 :aok
:salute
BigRat
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We were defending A72 but thanks!
Also.. since we are Axis this month... I have to agree the alt cap for bombers should be 15k and their ammo load out at 10% :neener:
Next month when we are Allied and most likely in bombers... having the bomber alt cap at 30k will be mandatory though. :rofl
{/sarcasm}
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We got lucky with having the Plissken and the Unforgiven flying around to intercept your fighter cover.
It'd be nice next time if you guys would stay out of your guns though and not shoot at us though. :devil
I get giddy when I see the sons of my FSO experiment so many years ago get a mention. Especially from a "Forefathers" squad as yourselves. <S> and TY Raptor.
1/3 of the current FSO squad is lone wolfs or from MA squads that do not have an FSO squad. Coupled with the CM duties that they have taken on I am surprised that they get much of anything positive done in the fight.
I wish I could see in person how this is accomplished, but my diabetes demands a strict regiment. I apologise to the other side for the lack of the easy kill.
I have often meant to mention my pride to my squadmates for their continued efforts in FSO. I believe 5 CMs through the years and an FSO squad that considers a promise to be there a "real life" commitment is worth noting.
Most of the time I fly they are not around, so I do so in publicly. GJ Unforgiven
Note: Its Christmas time- give me a break
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Unforgiven is honored to participate along with many Great Squads. Big Salute to those B-29's and their escorts at 72. Your P47's held discipline and ouch! Those B-29 have got stingers!
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Hacksaw and Mystic I hold you responsible for my Friday night addiction. One of the things I still enjoy about FSO is you never know how it is going to play out.
<S> to all the staff and squads that make this happen.
:aok
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Yea you guys hit us right as we went into our bomb sights. In fact many died in F6 mode :O. If I didn't do a quick pickup of Branch as my gunner, I probably would have shared the same fate. Nice job defenders of A69 :aok
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BigRat
That was our plan BR. Frame 1 saw the B24's ready for us when we made our run, and we paid heavily. I told the boys this week we would catch the raiders in their bombsites, and in the event...it worked out.
Not an easy window to realize sometimes, and luck of course plays into every battle up there. You guys did recover well, and at one point you could have walked on all the rounds filling the air within and around the stream.
Good fun.
<S>