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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: artik on December 05, 2013, 03:03:31 AM
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Already in early 60th the airforces operated air-2-air missiles like AIM-9B and K-13 which had proven to be effective. US air force operated AIM-7 and almost all latest aircraft of that time had at least ranging radars to improve gunnery.
Now what is interesting when the chaff and flares become the standard equipment of the fighter/attacker aircraft.
For example in this report of USAF testing MiG-21F-13: http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/havedoughnut.pdf it was found that the ranging radar was prone to jamming by the Chaff. It is clear that chaff would be important tool but it is also clear that its deployment wasn't that rapid, for example Harriers had no chaff dispenser even in 80th...
So when the chaff and flares were actually became widely deployed on Western aircraft, on Soviet block ones? I can't really find any information.
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Already in early 60th the airforces operated air-2-air missiles like AIM-9B and K-13 which had proven to be effective. US air force operated AIM-7 and almost all latest aircraft of that time had at least ranging radars to improve gunnery.
Now what is interesting when the chaff and flares become the standard equipment of the fighter/attacker aircraft.
For example in this report of USAF testing MiG-21F-13: http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/havedoughnut.pdf it was found that the ranging radar was prone to jamming by the Chaff. It is clear that chaff would be important tool but it is also clear that its deployment wasn't that rapid, for example Harriers had no chaff dispenser even in 80th...
So when the chaff and flares were actually became widely deployed on Western aircraft, on Soviet block ones? I can't really find any information.
:airplane: I read a pirip from a WW2 B-17 pilot a few years ago about the early use of chaff was first being developed during the war and as I recall, basically what he was saying was that the Germans figured out real quick, where ever the chaff showed up on their radar, that is where the bombers were, so off they went to intercept. What they started doing was sending RAF aircraft, with chaff, to another point on the European front, drop and mask where the bombers were really going. The Germans caught on to that pretty quick too and chaff never was a factor pro or con for the allies during the war. I think the U.S. had "heat" seeking missiles from the mid 50's on, or somewhere in that time frame, so chaff wouldn't work on turning a missile off of an aircraft either.
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while partially true Germany did have Radar Fire Controlled AAA systems in place from 1941 on . The RAF found "window" very useful for fooling German AAA guns that were controlled in this manner.
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I wasn't talking about when the Chaff was invented. It was used in WW2 but it still wasn't installed on early jet fighter planes.
For example, production MiG-23 received chaff/flare dispensers starting from MiG-23MLD version (wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23#Second-generation) and earlier ML/MLA variants were upgraded to MLD standard...
So it is clear that fighter aircraft received their dispensers much later. Of course, every operational MiG-21 that is flying today (Indian Bison, Romanian Lancer) has both flares and chaff.
The same is correct about western aircraft, as for example British Sea Harriers hadn't built-in chaff dispensers during 1982 Falklands war and their received quick and dirty upgrades by putting the chaff in airbrakes ...
So the information I'm looking is when the fighter/attacker jet aircraft started receiving "personal" chaff/flare dispensers as upgrades and as serial production equipment.