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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Nath[BDP] on December 07, 2013, 02:11:08 PM
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If I get kicked out of the game with WEP on, when I return in flight the WEP is fully used up. At least in the 109.
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I think they said they had that happen on purpose. You could run a search.
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It's working as designed and not a bug.
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Good to know. I thought it was a bug when it happened to me....
Not sure the logic behind it though.
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Worse yet I disco'd one night and returned to find I was on fumes for fuel even though I had fuel when I disco'd.
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Good to know. I thought it was a bug when it happened to me....
Not sure the logic behind it though.
To prevent abuse of WEP.
ack-ack
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To prevent abuse of WEP.
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If the game knows how much ammo I have when I disco it seems odd it can't track my WEP usage similarly... Again. Not seeing the point.
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It is the way they coded it. It helps keep people from pulling the plug.
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seems strange. I know I don't care for when I disco with no icon in sight, come back, on flames surrounded by red icons...I just stay off when I disco anymore.
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I see nothing strange in that. If I disco while using WEP, in my opinion it could be quite normal that the WEP will be used during the relogging time. Especially if I reboot the computer. After all, the game doesn't stop around the discoed plane, and the plane continues its travel with the same speed and direction. You can try this with WEP and autopilot. If you wish, you can even clock the time used to log into the game and then see how far you get with WEP in that time using autopilot. Also take into account that you may have used the WEP some already before the disco. Just my thoughts, not to be taken offensively.
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It is the way they coded it. It helps keep people from pulling the plug.
Not true for certain members of the Alchemist's. They pull the plug to exploit the "no visible icon while disco'd" bug.
Bail or disco when engaged. That's their motto. Too many of their kind to make the game worth playing any more.
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Some things should just be reported to HTC instead of posted for the public.
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Some things should just be reported to HTC instead of posted for the public.
In the spirit of Festivus, it was an Airing of Grievances. And pointing out a bug/feature that is exploited.
On to the Feats of Strength.
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I see nothing strange in that. If I disco while using WEP, in my opinion it could be quite normal that the WEP will be used during the relogging time. Especially if I reboot the computer. After all, the game doesn't stop around the discoed plane, and the plane continues its travel with the same speed and direction. You can try this with WEP and autopilot. If you wish, you can even clock the time used to log into the game and then see how far you get with WEP in that time using autopilot. Also take into account that you may have used the WEP some already before the disco. Just my thoughts, not to be taken offensively.
Takes less than a minute to rejoin. I should not lose five minutes of WEP for that.
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Takes less than a minute to rejoin. I should not lose five minutes of WEP for that.
That's true, unless you've used it for four minutes already in a situation where time flies without noticing. The rejoining time seems to vary depending on the rig and its settings. :salute
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Takes less than a minute to rejoin. I should not lose five minutes of WEP for that.
Absolutely.
Some planes depend heavily on their WEP. The Mossie VI on MIL power is like Godfather Merlon Brando, while with WEP engaged it turns into Robin Williams after 10 espresso shots. It is a precious resource that I manage carefully, and it is really that bad to lose the WEP. To really rub it in, the Mossie WEP takes 15 minutes to recharge - that is 1/3 use/cool ratio, the worst in the game.
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In that case, how about this: Some computers either take longer to rejoin or they have to undergo a more time consuming fixing procedure like a cold boot. In order to make every rejoiner to have equal chances to survive the disco regardless of their computer or the level of downfall, everyone will lose the WEP. Before anyone says anything about people having too weak computers for quality gaming, I'd like to remind that a disconnection can happen to anyone. Sometimes it will take a reboot of the modem to get the connection back which really isn't a performance issue. Just thinking, again.
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One of the coolest things to come along in 20 years is the feature that allows you to rejoin after a disco. The wep thing does not bother me in the least. Everyone gets it so it's fair across the boards so really, who cares? Even if it thought of as a "penalty" for whatever reason, this penalty against an outright disco where you lose your plane, and then have to take the time to regain your original position is nothing.
Thanks again HTC, excellent feature.
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Not true for certain members of the Alchemist's. They pull the plug to exploit the "no visible icon while disco'd" bug.
Bail or disco when engaged. That's their motto. Too many of their kind to make the game worth playing any more.
Can you see them do this while you are not flying sitting in a GV ?
Dude......................Rea lly?
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All I am hearing are copouts and excuses as to why WEP disappears completely with zero consideration given to the circumstances involved.
If I am in WEP for five seconds, disco, and rejoin in a minute and a half I should not be out of WEP. The punishment has to fit the crime.
People must be bloody desperate to game the game if this is considered a solution.
Unless I am in a 152 when I rejoin and WEP is gone I have to land and rearm to get it back. The water ain't worth the well if this is the case. Just disco back to tower and save me the bail or the time.
Yes, it is a nice feature, but you're penalizing the player indiscriminately. I don't see the angle being exploited here by anyone...
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You can avoid the issue by not rejoining in flight. The game was not designed so you could rejoin in flight after discoing. It's not a choice to punish you. It's inherent in the game design. It seems likely it will be fixed when it's feasable to fix it. For now, as others have said, it's an improvement to be able to rejoin at all.
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All I am hearing are copouts and excuses as to why WEP disappears completely with zero consideration given to the circumstances involved.
If I am in WEP for five seconds, disco, and rejoin in a minute and a half I should not be out of WEP. The punishment has to fit the crime.
People must be bloody desperate to game the game if this is considered a solution.
Unless I am in a 152 when I rejoin and WEP is gone I have to land and rearm to get it back. The water ain't worth the well if this is the case. Just disco back to tower and save me the bail or the time.
Yes, it is a nice feature, but you're penalizing the player indiscriminately. I don't see the angle being exploited here by anyone...
this is why.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,338868.msg4469420.html#msg4469420
Learn to live with it like the rest of us do.
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You can avoid the issue by not rejoining in flight. The game was not designed so you could rejoin in flight after discoing. It's not a choice to punish you. It's inherent in the game design. It seems likely it will be fixed when it's feasable to fix it. For now, as others have said, it's an improvement to be able to rejoin at all.
How is it not an option? Guess I missed that one.
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this is why.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,338868.msg4469420.html#msg4469420
Learn to live with it like the rest of us do.
No. I am a paying customer and I have a right to express my dissatisfaction with this aspect of the product.
It is a copout, in my view, unless you are saying according to hitech's small blurb there that it is unfeasible, in which case, I understand, though I still can't understand why programming doesn't fix it.
That said, yes, it is a great feature in many respects. I am sure it will evo
Be and improve over time.
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The point is it was intended that way and Hitech has his reasons for doing so. Much like that Brewster is modeled a certain way and whether you like it or not that how it's going to be because Hitech has his reasons (it is the data they chose to use ) for doing it that way.
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The point is it was intended that way and Hitech has his reasons for doing so. Much like that Brewster is modeled a certain way and whether you like it or not that how it's going to be because Hitech has his reasons (it is the data they chose to use ) for doing it that way.
And my point is, along with others here, it makes no sense.
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And my point is, along with others here, it makes no sense.
It does to the owner and designer of the game.
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It does to the owner and designer of the game.
That's what they said about Bill Stealey all the time, too. We see where he is now, don't we? The customers are what matter. Ignore their complaints at your peril because they'll put you out of business.
Your response is ridiculous in the extreme. Reminds me of, "I know you are but what am I?" or "Yo' mamma." :salute
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That's what they said about Bill Stealey all the time, too. We see where he is now, don't we?
That could be why Hitech split from him and has managed to run a company with a niche market for more than 13 years.
The customers are what matter. Ignore their complaints at your peril because they'll put you out of business.
Your response is ridiculous in the extreme. Reminds me of, "I know you are but what am I?" or "Yo' mamma." :salute
And Hitech is fond of saying something along the lines that customers don't KNOW what they. He may ignore "what the customers want" as you say, but he seems to be doing ok in such a small market.
Personally I'd like to know your reason for why you think it is so important to have WEP when you get back from a boot. Heck most of us are just happy to be flying when we get back from a boot. You have been booted twice in the last 3 months of your time in the game (I would have gone back 6 months but you've only been playing for the 3) Again, whats the urgency to have WEP?
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How is it not an option? Guess I missed that one.
I don't know why it's not an option. Doesn't it seem likely that it would be an option if it didn't create problems?
You've made your point and everyone agrees that it would be nice to have the remaining WEP after rejoining in flight.
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That could be why Hitech split from him and has managed to run a company with a niche market for more than 13 years.
And Hitech is fond of saying something along the lines that customers don't KNOW what they. He may ignore "what the customers want" as you say, but he seems to be doing ok in such a small market.
Personally I'd like to know your reason for why you think it is so important to have WEP when you get back from a boot. Heck most of us are just happy to be flying when we get back from a boot. You have been booted twice in the last 3 months of your time in the game (I would have gone back 6 months but you've only been playing for the 3) Again, whats the urgency to have WEP?
The same market Wild Bill ran for just about as long. This death march has happened before.
The importance is fairness for lack of a better word, especially when I am the only player within my square or adjoining it.
May as well take away all myfuel and ammunition while we are at it. LOL
And I played here years back so stuff the longevity argument in your ear, most kindly.
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I don't know why it's not an option. Doesn't it seem likely that it would be an option if it didn't create problems?
You've made your point and everyone agrees that it would be nice to have the remaining WEP after rejoining in flight.
No. Just like I don't trust politicians who say the same thing. I would think with the obvious questions this raises we could hear, "We know this is an issue and we hope to address it. For now this is the best we can do because..."
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Wow! WTG on just blowing by the question, again, I'd like to know your reason for why you think it is so important to have WEP when you get back from a boot?
or is that to probing a question?
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I think they said they had that happen on purpose. You could run a search.
It is the way they coded it. It helps keep people from pulling the plug.
this is why.
Ill check on the bugs,
But the things that are intentional and are not bugs are wep used up and the AI always bailed when the plane has certain types of damaged like all engines dead.
HiTech
Learn to live with it like the rest of us do.
The point is it was intended that way and Hitech has his reasons for doing so. Much like that Brewster is modeled a certain way and whether you like it or not that how it's going to be because Hitech has his reasons (it is the data they chose to use ) for doing it that way.
And my point is, along with others here, it makes no sense.
It does to the owner and designer of the game.
That could be why Hitech split from him and has managed to run a company with a niche market for more than 13 years.
And Hitech is fond of saying something along the lines that customers don't KNOW what they. He may ignore "what the customers want" as you say, but he seems to be doing ok in such a small market.
Personally I'd like to know your reason for why you think it is so important to have WEP when you get back from a boot. Heck most of us are just happy to be flying when we get back from a boot. You have been booted twice in the last 3 months of your time in the game (I would have gone back 6 months but you've only been playing for the 3) Again, whats the urgency to have WEP?
Wow! WTG on just blowing by the question, again, I'd like to know your reason for why you think it is so important to have WEP when you get back from a boot?
or is that to probing a question?
I'd like to know the reason you're on this crusade against a player's suggestion when you obviously have no idea why it is like it is other than "because that's the way it is".
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I'd like to know the reason you're on this crusade against a player's suggestion when you obviously have no idea why it is like it is other than "because that's the way it is".
Thank you BaldEagl.
I find it odd that he thinks rejoin with WEP is odd. By that logic, why have it at all? Let us all just roll with zero WEP. :lol
Why have WEP? LOL. The answer to that is self-evident.
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I'd like to know the reason you're on this crusade against a player's suggestion when you obviously have no idea why it is like it is other than "because that's the way it is".
It seems to me that he is looking for a way to game the game. By him not answering a simple question as to why it is so horrible to lose that bit of WEP when recovering from a disco it certainly help confirm that idea.
There are many things in the game that "don't make sense" to some or many players. Read the boards and you will find hundreds of discussions about how "this plane isn't modeled right", "this plane should have bigger bombs", "that plane shouldn't be able to do a loop", "fuel should be able to be porked all the way down like ord" and so on and so on. Why are these things the way they are???? Because HTC has decided to use the data THEY have. Basically because "they said so".
Maybe down the line they will change it, who knows. But Hitech has said it was made that way for a reason. His reasons are usually pretty good. And just because some one whines about being short his WEP when he return from a disco might not be enough to make him change it. What do you think?
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^^^^ Are you that dense? Yours was a silly question that needed no answer. You're the only one who doesn't grasp the purpose and utility of WEP apparently.
Asking to have the amount of WEP (or at least something closer to it that zero) I had when I discoed on my return is gaming the game? :lol :lol :lol :rolleyes:
I guess the desire to have my ammo when I come back means I am beating the system, too, huh? LOL LOL LOL.
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Again you avoid the question, Why is it so important to have the few minutes of WEP? Even if it's the full time of WEP 10-15 minutes depending on the plane, why is it so important? While I'm no super skilled guy I do see where WEP is all that important. Knowing my angles, getting a good shot, and hitting when the shot is there are very important. WEP, heck I burn it out on climb out more often than not.
Again, if you have only discoed twice in the last 3 months, why do you find it so horrible to lose it when you disco, where most everyone else doesn't seem to have a problem with it?
ahh never mind, I know you won't answer. I know why any way. Good luck in the game.
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Again you avoid the question, Why is it so important to have the few minutes of WEP? Even if it's the full time of WEP 10-15 minutes depending on the plane, why is it so important? While I'm no super skilled guy I do see where WEP is all that important. Knowing my angles, getting a good shot, and hitting when the shot is there are very important. WEP, heck I burn it out on climb out more often than not.
Again, if you have only discoed twice in the last 3 months, why do you find it so horrible to lose it when you disco, where most everyone else doesn't seem to have a problem with it?
ahh never mind, I know you won't answer. I know why any way. Good luck in the game.
:lol No Argument so pulls out the cheater card. :lol
You don't know a thing. You make ass-umptions based on your narrow world view. All you hear is the sound of your own voice and gawd forbid anyone disagree. :rolleyes:
If you don't need WEP then nobody does, right? :lol :lol
For the record I have discoed about ten times--six in one night when the entire arena had problems. Only once was I engaged, and then in a position of advantage. (Edit: I take that back. My opponent discoed, not me. I have never discoed while engaged or even in eyesight of an enemy, making the loss of WEP all the more perplexing.)
The planes I fly rely heavily on WEP. They don't turn. They don't sustain energy. They climb or go fast. And then only with WEP. When chasing B-29s several sectors away and I lose all my WEP after half an hour climbing to altitude....because of some arbitrary decision by the ah gods....I have to ask why. "Because" is NOT a good enough answer.
Also WEP helps escape from a position of disadvantage. I can see a case where a disco leaves someone being chased without the ability to extend. Not all of us are god pilots like you, your highny-ness. :joystick:
At the end of the day, I see no way to hack the game by having an equivalent/proportional WEP quantity on rejoin. None. Zero. Nada.
Now you may kindly go do you-know-what to yourself. :neener:
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It seems to me that he is looking for a way to game the game. By him not answering a simple question as to why it is so horrible to lose that bit of WEP when recovering from a disco it certainly help confirm that idea.
There are many things in the game that "don't make sense" to some or many players. Read the boards and you will find hundreds of discussions about how "this plane isn't modeled right", "this plane should have bigger bombs", "that plane shouldn't be able to do a loop", "fuel should be able to be porked all the way down like ord" and so on and so on. Why are these things the way they are???? Because HTC has decided to use the data THEY have. Basically because "they said so".
Maybe down the line they will change it, who knows. But Hitech has said it was made that way for a reason. His reasons are usually pretty good. And just because some one whines about being short his WEP when he return from a disco might not be enough to make him change it. What do you think?
I'm not seeing where having WEP when you relog can be expolited in the game. My vote would be for having whatever WEP you should have when you relog (i.e if you had it on when you disco'd some or all would be gone, if not then whatever was there is there and a little extra for regeneration if some was gone).
As to your examples you know quite well that those requesters rarely present data to substantiate their claims and if they do then a change is generally made. As to the porking fuel example it used to be rgar fuel could be porked down to 25% but was changed due to the whines of players. I'm sure at the time you were one to want to leave it alone and now that it's changed you're again one to want to leave it alone.
HT doesn't walk on water. Occasionally he gets things wrong (thin blue line, cenralizing the strats, splitting the arenas). I'm glad you're opinion of him is so high but it doesn't mean things can't be changed for the better from time to time and unless someone speaks out for change it's not likely to happen.
If we had it your way we'd all be stuck in the 90's playing AW.
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Here's my guess as to the reason;
You're chasing said 29s and run out of wep. You intentionally disco, wep full again. Run out of wep again, disco, get more wep. If it was possible, folks would do it.
~S~ Buck
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Here's my guess as to the reason;
You're chasing said 29s and run out of wep. You intentionally disco, wep full again. Run out of wep again, disco, get more wep. If it was possible, folks would do it.
~S~ Buck
That is not what I was asking for. We all agree the scenario you posited would be a bad idea. I was asking for the amount I had at disco, minus an APPROPRIATE penalty for the rejoin. They know my ammo loadout and I keep that. Keep my drop tank. Keep my fuel. Why is my WEP disabled arbitrarily?
:salute
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:lol No Argument so pulls out the cheater card. :lol
You don't know a thing. You make ass-umptions based on your narrow world view. All you hear is the sound of your own voice and gawd forbid anyone disagree. :rolleyes:
I never said anything about cheating, your the one making assumptions.
If you don't need WEP then nobody does, right? :lol :lol
Never said this either.
For the record I have discoed about ten times--six in one night when the entire arena had problems. Only once was I engaged, and then in a position of advantage. (Edit: I take that back. My opponent discoed, not me. I have never discoed while engaged or even in eyesight of an enemy, making the loss of WEP all the more perplexing.)
The planes I fly rely heavily on WEP. They don't turn. They don't sustain energy. They climb or go fast. And then only with WEP. When chasing B-29s several sectors away and I lose all my WEP after half an hour climbing to altitude....because of some arbitrary decision by the ah gods....I have to ask why. "Because" is NOT a good enough answer.
If your counting on WEP your already halfway to losing the fight.
Also WEP helps escape from a position of disadvantage. I can see a case where a disco leaves someone being chased without the ability to extend. Not all of us are god pilots like you, your highny-ness. :joystick:
LOL!!! have you ever seen me fly???
At the end of the day, I see no way to hack the game by having an equivalent/proportional WEP quantity on rejoin. None. Zero. Nada.
Now you may kindly go do you-know-what to yourself. :neener:
See Buckshots reply! For just just one example.
That is not what I was asking for. We all agree the scenario you posited would be a bad idea. I was asking for the amount I had at disco, minus an APPROPRIATE penalty for the rejoin. They know my ammo loadout and I keep that. Keep my drop tank. Keep my fuel. Why is my WEP disabled arbitrarily?
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BOING !!!! Wish Granted. HTC has decided the APPROPRIATE penalty is lose of all WEP.
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I'm not seeing where having WEP when you relog can be expolited in the game. My vote would be for having whatever WEP you should have when you relog (i.e if you had it on when you disco'd some or all would be gone, if not then whatever was there is there and a little extra for regeneration if some was gone).
As to your examples you know quite well that those requesters rarely present data to substantiate their claims and if they do then a change is generally made. As to the porking fuel example it used to be rgar fuel could be porked down to 25% but was changed due to the whines of players. I'm sure at the time you were one to want to leave it alone and now that it's changed you're again one to want to leave it alone.
HT doesn't walk on water. Occasionally he gets things wrong (thin blue line, cenralizing the strats, splitting the arenas). I'm glad you're opinion of him is so high but it doesn't mean things can't be changed for the better from time to time and unless someone speaks out for change it's not likely to happen.
If we had it your way we'd all be stuck in the 90's playing AW.
I don't presume to believe that I am any where near as smart as Hitech. He has decided that lose of all WEP is how he wants the re-join feature to work. The "why" is un-important to me. As like many other things in the game things are the way they are for a reason and I just try to have fun with in those parameters. Many things are tweaked in the game for one reason or another. Some are to cut back on the gamers gaming the game, other are for playablity, others are because HTC likes to have their models as close to the real things as they can get.
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I never said anything about cheating, your the one making assumptions.
Never said this either.
If your counting on WEP your already halfway to losing the fight.
LOL!!! have you ever seen me fly???
See Buckshots reply! For just just one example.
BOING !!!! Wish Granted. HTC has decided the APPROPRIATE penalty is lose of all WEP.
That is not an appropriate penalty anymore than losing all your ammo or fuel. They can track fuel and ammo usage but not WEP? Riiiiiiiiight.
Buckshot is referring to something that cannot happen. Preventing this abuse of WEP is the same as preventing the abuse of fuel and ammo. It ain't hard.
As for being halfway to losing the fight by relying on WEP, that's your flawed opinion. It is there for a purpose in the game...as it was in real life depending on equipment...and I rely on it appropriately when it is available for a particular airplane just like 99 percent of the people in the arena. My primary experiment last tour was BUFF hunting in TA-152s. Climb rate, and thus WEP, is essential to the mission. It is also useful for getting away from a six on one gang bang. Your mileage may vary.
And don't act like just because you didn't call me a cheater-wannabe directly that wasn't your intended point. You said it quite clearly enough ("He sounds like someone who is trying to game the game."). Cheap shot, low brow, dbag move, pal.
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That is not an appropriate penalty anymore than losing all your ammo or fuel. They can track fuel and ammo usage but not WEP? Riiiiiiiiight.
Buckshot is referring to something that cannot happen. Preventing this abuse of WEP is the same as preventing the abuse of fuel and ammo. It ain't hard.
As for being halfway to losing the fight by relying on WEP, that's your flawed opinion. It is there for a purpose in the game...as it was in real life depending on equipment...and I rely on it appropriately when it is available for a particular airplane just like 99 percent of the people in the arena. My primary experiment last tour was BUFF hunting in TA-152s. Climb rate, and thus WEP, is essential to the mission. It is also useful for getting away from a six on one gang bang. Your mileage may vary.
And don't act like just because you didn't call me a cheater-wannabe directly that wasn't your intended point. You said it quite clearly enough ("He sounds like someone who is trying to game the game."). Cheap shot, low brow, dbag move, pal.
Gaming the game isn't cheating. Hording is gaming the game and it is allowed. Another person posted here http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,356780.msg4738500.html#msg4738500 and pointed out another way to "game the game" with the disco. If there is a "way around" something people WILL look for it FIND it and USE it. HTC avoids as many of those issues with for thought. In this case they may have for seen something that you nor I have thought up and so have negated the possibility by adding the the "lose of WEP" when you return from a disco. I don't know, nor do you. I do know that Hitech has said it is NOT a bug and is working as intended. What the reasoning is, again I don't KNOW. We can only speculate, as HTC hasn't commented any other way than to say it is not a bug.
Many people have told you that this is the way it is and yet you fight it. It's like some one telling you water is wet and you spend the rest of your time trying to get it called something other than "wet". What should people think when you can't seem to accept what many people tell you and let it go? Maybe that you have some alternative motive to get it changed?
If you want a definitive answer, email Hitech. I would think he'd answer here if it really didn't matter, but maybe he doesn't want people thinking along a certain train of thought that his answer may bring up. Again I don't know Hitech's mind, only what is public record in posts here.
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If people had brains they would think it just as silly as I find it to be. Gaming the game is not so,etching I do. I do, however, believe in proportionality. This doesn't pass that test. If he has a good reason I would like to hear it. "Deal with it" is all I am hearing from you and that's not a good enough answer.