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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: colmbo on December 11, 2013, 12:55:19 AM
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From what I can gather they have been in AH since '08 or before so I have to assume that folks use them to kill the occasional GV. Is it uncommon to get a GV kill using the PB1s?
The reason I ask is because I killed a guy today in an Osti by firing a salvo of PB1s from the 190F8. He PM'd "nice hack cheater". HUH??
He claims that in 12 years he's never been killed by a rocket "unless the file was hacked". Is he a recluse or is it rare to get GV kills with the PB1s.
In his defense I think he thought I was firing the anti-bomber rockets at him.
Everything I've read about the PB1 says it was designed as an aircraft fired anti-vehicle weapon so killing GVs seems to be the thing to do with it.
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From what I can gather they have been in AH since '08 or before so I have to assume that folks use them to kill the occasional GV. Is it uncommon to get a GV kill using the PB1s?
Yes it is uncommon. But just because they are comparatively rarely used in AH and because getting hits with them is not that easy. But if a hit is scored, about any GV in AH will be history.
That guy... well, typical ignorant MA kneejerk reaction, nothing more needs to be said ;)
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He's obviously not seen some of the rocket videos out there... Rockets are under-utilized in killing gv's... Heck a 190F-8 can get 4 tank kills within reason with its 12 nibblers of doom... Granted it's not as consistent against some of the bigger perk ta nks, but hurts them none-the-less sometimes enough to award you the kill.
Oh and if you happened to use the puffy rockets instead, they ARE effective against wirbles and ossys simply for their HE splash value.
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I remember killing LT with a 100lb bomb when he was camping out some spawn as usual, it might of been an FM2 or such, but it was pretty hilarious to see the whines over it considering it was "hacking".
/i tried like hell to hit quite a few tanks with 100lbers, unless you hit the tank exactly square its not going to do anything, I did make a bet with someone and get 10 kills in an IL-2 once with the majority being bombs, probably being in the slower IL-2 with a stationary target made it a hell of a lot easier then a moving tank.
//that being said, just use 500lbers
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I practiced one killing GV's with PB1's but decided that 500lb's were far easier. Nice wk
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I set salvo 3 while using rockets on tanks. They use to blow up pretty good :)
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Columbo for a while the few had a sight, I think they got from Bustr IIRC and went on a rocket killing spree. The tears that flew when pervert would fly through TT killing GV after GV on a single run. The sight has two dots on the bottom which give the points of impact at 400?? You just had to know which rail the first rocket was coming off to maximize your hits. The other challenge was to be really accurate you had to be close and because of that you were subject to spall damage from the exploding rocket.
Fun flying with you yesterday <S>
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PB1s are good little tank killer :)
Fire 2 at a time and get hits = panzer ist kaput.
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Those rockets are effectively a panzerfaust rocket with HEAT afaik.
Very effective killing panzers, as sg11 wrote you normally need more than one rocket to incinerate them guys in the tanks, just the same as with most HEAT shells.
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Congrats on the rocket kill. :aok There is a certain amount of satisfaction gained when using rockets to kill a gv far above and away from using a typical 500 lb or 1000 lb bomb. :D
When using rockets I highly suggest LEARNING the platform in which you're using them from. That is just as important as actually hitting the target. In most cases the rockets alternate firing order from wing to wing with each rocket, meaning 1 left 1 right 1 left 1 right and so on. In the case of the 190F-8 and the Pb1 rockets, they fire TWO left TWO right and so on. Also, keep in mind that the rockets fire straight off the wing, there is no convergence. So with that in mind forget aiming at the dead center of that tank as you're only hurting your chances from the beginning, you need to aim to the side. If you're firing the rockets from the left wing you need to aim at the right side of the tank. For me I have found it simple to come in from the side of the tank and put the center of my pip on the top edge of the front or rear end of the tank and fire no further away then 400 yards. I only fire the two rockets from that wing anything more is a waste of ammo. If you want to see the size comparison between the 190F-8 and a tank, I suggest rolling a 190F-8 right up next to a tank in offline mode and while in F3 mode take note of where the rockets line up when the center of your prop is aligned with the front of the tank. :aok
About the only aircraft I can aim dead on with is the P38G because the rocket tubes are very near the center of the aircraft. I've used the P38G against soft armored gv's with very good success. I shoot once and game over for them usually.
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I have killed tanks with the bomb the LA7 holds, but that was a LONG time ago. :rolleyes:
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I have killed tanks with the bomb the LA7 holds, but that was a LONG time ago. :rolleyes:
In the current year the La-7 has been credited with more tank kills than the dedicated 190 F. I think that says a lot about how uncommon the use of the PB-1 really is (especially if you take into account that many of that tank kills by the 190F are made with bombs):
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/tkkill_zps34d5c955.jpg)
As you can see, only about 0.9% of all tanks killed by planes have been a victim of the 190F and only a part of them had been hit with the PB1. In all of my 8 years of AH, I have been hit by them not more like perhaps 3 or 4 times. (EDIT: Actually I have exactly 2 deaths in tanks to the 190F)
The difficulties of using it compared to tank busting guns or bombs makes it a potent, but rare specialist's weapon.
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In the current year the La-7 has been credited with more tank kills than the dedicated 190 F. I think that says a lot about how uncommon the use of the PB-1 really is (especially if you take into account that many of that tank kills by the 190F are made with bombs):
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/tkkill_zps34d5c955.jpg)
As you can see, only about 0.9% of all tanks killed by planes have been a victim of the 190F and only a part of them had been hit with the PB1. In all of my 8 years of AH, I have been hit by them not more like perhaps 3 or 4 times. (EDIT: Actually I have exactly 2 deaths in tanks to the 190F)
The difficulties of using it compared to tank busting guns or bombs makes it a potent, but rare specialist's weapon.
Is it safe to assume that the La7 "earns" those kills by flooding the tank with damage points via the triple 20mms and then they get the credit when the targeted tank receives a kill shot from a bomb, AP round, etc, and that the M18, M3, M8, wirbles, etc, are included in that stat? It is very rare that I see an La7 take up the pair of 100kg bombs for anti-gv work. Too difficult for most players. ;)
Lusche- you of all people should be able to consistently use the 190F-8 and the Pb1 rockets for anti-tank work. If I can, you can. Many people can, but the easy mode of the A20 and IL-2 (and evidently the La7, too) makes for a hard sell of the 190F-8, I know. Just remember the firing order of the Pb1 rockets (2 left, 2 right, and so on), aim to the side of the tank opposite the wing being used (left rockets = right side aim), and wait 'til you see the whites of their eyes then let loose the dogs of war (under 400 yards)!
There are many players out there that could successfully utilize the Pb1 rockets if they'd take the time to learn them, it isn't "rocket science". :rofl
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Is it safe to assume that the La7 "earns" those kills by flooding the tank with damage points via the triple 20mms and then they get the credit when the targeted tank receives a kill shot from a bomb, AP round, etc, and that the M18, M3, M8, wirbles, etc, are included in that stat?
No other vehicles are included, I strictly limited it to tanks only to reduce the significance of fighters strafing down GVs and emphasize the usage of tank killing weapons.
But of course a lot (I'm sure it's the majority) of 'tank kills' by the La-7 are proxies. (But keep in mind, the "tag a tank to get the credit" doesn't really work that good anymore). After all, even the Fi-156 has more kills than both La and 190F ;)
But still, the table shows how little the 190F is actually used for tank busting.
Lusche- you of all people should be able to consistently use the 190F-8 and the Pb1 rockets for anti-tank work. If I can, you can.
I have tried very hard in the past and practiced a lot offline. I just can't get hits with any kind of satisfying consistency. I'm afraid, I have to stick to the Hurri D and B5N
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I try the pb1s against tanks all the time. I have killed one tiger with it (one shot!). You need a direct hit. My problem is getting consistent approaches.
I have also killed a flak with one of the German aa rocket, once.
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I have done it a long time ago.
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I have tried very hard in the past and practiced a lot offline. I just can't get hits with any kind of satisfying consistency. I'm afraid, I have to stick to the Hurri D and B5N
From what I've read you had to get in close with the PB1….like 200 yards….which is really close with a diving fighter.
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Anyone gotten kills of a tank using the rockets on the I16?
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During the time when I used a specialized gunsight with rocket lines for speeds of 250, 300, and 350mph, the product of 6 hours of experimentation and revision, I only had a success rate of ~55% using a salvo of 3 rockets and a delay of 0.13.
A big issue is that both speed and angle of attack affect the rocket's trajectory, so you have to be very patient and VERY consistent in your flying, in order to have consistent results.
And the situations where the 190F-8's ability to kill high numbers of tanks in a single sortie is most useful, the longer setup time compared to dropping bombs outweights it.
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A big issue is that both speed and angle of attack affect the rocket's trajectory, so you have to be very patient and VERY consistent in your flying, in order to have consistent results.
Which is why Its easier to take an A-20 and pickle a few off and you can score far more kills then a 190F and not even have to be a decent attack pilot, plus the A-20 is far agile compared to an IL-2.
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Which is why Its easier to take an A-20 and pickle a few off and you can score far more kills then a 190F and not even have to be a decent attack pilot, plus the A-20 is far agile compared to an IL-2.
Not to mention you can actually see around you, unlike the IL-2 where you have to switch to the gunner position in order to see behind you.
It's more satisfying getting kills with the il2 bombs though. Once you get that 'trajectory' down for the 100lb-250 lb hitting something with a 500+ is easy.....
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MAKAYLA was really good at using the Pb's. I saw him get 12 tanks in on run with them.
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MAKAYLA was really good at using the Pb's.
Ahh yes. 243 tank kills in tour 142 alone, in addition to scores of other GVs and planes :old:
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From what I can gather they have been in AH since '08 or before so I have to assume that folks use them to kill the occasional GV. Is it uncommon to get a GV kill using the PB1s?
The reason I ask is because I killed a guy today in an Osti by firing a salvo of PB1s from the 190F8. He PM'd "nice hack cheater". HUH??
He claims that in 12 years he's never been killed by a rocket "unless the file was hacked". Is he a recluse or is it rare to get GV kills with the PB1s.
In his defense I think he thought I was firing the anti-bomber rockets at him.
Everything I've read about the PB1 says it was designed as an aircraft fired anti-vehicle weapon so killing GVs seems to be the thing to do with it.
A few months back I was destroyed by a PB1 rocket while driving a panther.
First I was like :huh
and then I was like :salute
It's certainly difficult to get a direct hit, and even when you do the rocket can ricochet off but it does happen
Other rare but totally doable actions:
I took out a tiger with a 50kg bomb from an IL2. A direct hit it pretty much required
Snailman popped my 262 with a tank round in crater as I was zooming by. (this is rare in that I wasn't flying directly at him)
Surviving a 650+mph flight into a grove of trees and gliding 20 miles back to base
I blew the tail off of an enemy jug and as he flipped around and shot me in the face
I lost another 262 to an 88 while cruising at 450ish from over 7k away
None of it's cheating of course, with skill or luck, or both all kinds of uncommon things can occur.
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Snailman popped my 262 with a tank round in crater as I was zooming by. (this is rare in that I wasn't flying directly at him)
I did what? :huh
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I did what? :huh
im guessing you shot an HE round in the ground and it killed his 262.
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im guessing you shot an HE round in the ground and it killed his 262.
Not only that I can't remember having done any such a thing deliberately, I also can't find any 262 kill by me in a tank since we got the Crater map... :headscratch:
And the only kill of Mk-84 in a 262 by me that I can find was in tour 137, with me being in a P-51D :old:
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Not only that I can't remember having done any such a thing deliberately, I also can't find any 262 kill by me in a tank since we got the Crater map... :headscratch:
And the only kill of Mk-84 in a 262 by me that I can find was in tour 137, with me being in a P-51D :old:
please refer to the "death not registering" thread.
semp
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Not only that I can't remember having done any such a thing deliberately, I also can't find any 262 kill by me in a tank since we got the Crater map... :headscratch:
And the only kill of Mk-84 in a 262 by me that I can find was in tour 137, with me being in a P-51D :old:
Because he glided back to base.
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Anyone gotten kills of a tank using the rockets on the I16?
Nope. You probably wont, either. The Soviet RS82 rockets are first and foremost HE, and secondly the weakest in the game. They do the same damage to OBJ as the German Pb1 rockets (93 lbs), but do not have the AP ability. However, I've had great luck using them against lighter skinned gv's (M3, M8, M18, Wirbys, etc).
FYI: I've only destroyed tanks using the PB1 rockets (designated anti-tank rockets), the British 60 Pdr rockets (SAP, and best air to ground rocket in game), and the US 5in HVAR. I have yet to get a legit kill shot using either of the Soviet rockets or the US 4.5in rocket. I think the only reason I got the 1 kill I did using the 5in HVAR was luck, I just happen to hit the top of the turret of a Panzer IV F2 with almost a perpendicular impact. Otherwise, the 5in HVAR rockets just glance off the armor in most cases as it is purely HE. As I said earlier, the British 60 Pdr rockets are the best air to ground rockets in the game dealing 187 lbs of HE damage to OBJ, and thanks to their warhead they do bust up tanks well enough too, but not as easy as the German Pb1.
Again... for those of you trying to bust tanks with rockets, I highly suggest you LEARN the firing order or else you're just wasting rockets. The 190F-8 is the only plane that fires 2 rockets from the same wing, otherwise everything else is single rockets at a time. Firing three is a waste if you're firing at a tank.
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I have never had any luck with American rockets on tanks but I may not have salvo'ed the launch high enough.
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Nope. You probably wont, either. The Soviet RS82 rockets are first and foremost HE, and secondly the weakest in the game. They do the same damage to OBJ as the German Pb1 rockets (93 lbs), but do not have the AP ability. However, I've had great luck using them against lighter skinned gv's (M3, M8, M18, Wirbys, etc).
FYI: I've only destroyed tanks using the PB1 rockets (designated anti-tank rockets), the British 60 Pdr rockets (SAP, and best air to ground rocket in game), and the US 5in HVAR. I have yet to get a legit kill shot using either of the Soviet rockets or the US 4.5in rocket. I think the only reason I got the 1 kill I did using the 5in HVAR was luck, I just happen to hit the top of the turret of a Panzer IV F2 with almost a perpendicular impact. Otherwise, the 5in HVAR rockets just glance off the armor in most cases as it is purely HE. As I said earlier, the British 60 Pdr rockets are the best air to ground rockets in the game dealing 187 lbs of HE damage to OBJ, and thanks to their warhead they do bust up tanks well enough too, but not as easy as the German Pb1.
Again... for those of you trying to bust tanks with rockets, I highly suggest you LEARN the firing order or else you're just wasting rockets. The 190F-8 is the only plane that fires 2 rockets from the same wing, otherwise everything else is single rockets at a time. Firing three is a waste if you're firing at a tank.
Didn't the Germans typically salvo 4-6 rockets?
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Didn't the Germans typically salvo 4-6 rockets?
Perhaps. There are a lot of things that happened in the real deal that do not or can not happen in AH. In AH, if you're diving on a tank in a perfect 30° angle of attack and put your gun sight dead center on a Sherman, Panzer, T34, or even a Tiger you're probably going to hit WIDE regardless if you fire 1,2,4,6, or all 12. Like I've suggested, roll up a 190F-8 to a parked tank offline and see just where you rockets are pointing when you're nose is in the center of the tank (they hit the very tip or are wide). The only 2 exceptions are the Panther and King Tiger because they are longer, still I aim at the leading edge and not fire more than 2 rockets. Also, do a few test runs and record the impact (and observe while testing). In the real deal I'm sure it was a more of a "oh look, there is the column of T34's", and in they went on their 1 or maybe 2 attack passes before they got out of the area. I'm sure they lined up and let loose a volley of all 12 rockets knowing that they may not get a second chance, or maybe just a volley of 4-6 rockets knowing they might get another shot. What little I have read said that even though the pilots "aimed" the rockets, they knew the accuracy was not as a cannon and so the area effect was used. I'm not 100% sure. However, in AH, you can be rest assured where your rockets are aimed and where they will hit.
Trust me. Fire no more than two Pb1 rockets and for the first 2 rockets aim at the RIGHT edge of the tank (on a broadside shot). The two rockets will impact very close to center. If you aim center line on the tank your rockets will hit wide LEFT. For the second 2 rockets aim to the LEFT edge of the tank. Etc. Once you get the left/right figured out them you need to learn the rocket trajectory. That too can be tricky but let gravity help you. :aok
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Not only that I can't remember having done any such a thing deliberately, I also can't find any 262 kill by me in a tank since we got the Crater map... :headscratch:
And the only kill of Mk-84 in a 262 by me that I can find was in tour 137, with me being in a P-51D :old:
I must be wrong then but gosh I swear I that was you because I clearly remember being surprised and pissed (ingame pissed) about it.
If it wasn't you I wonder who it was :noid It was a hell of a shot for somebody. Someone step up, that has to be something you'd remember.
even if I apparently cant :uhoh
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If it wasn't you I wonder who it was :noid It was a hell of a shot for somebody. Someone step up, that has to be something you'd remember.
even if I apparently cant :uhoh
Well if it was Crater... I found quite a number of tanks with kill credits on your 262 since CMA was introduced:
M4(75) - Fish62
Panther - Aihru
M4(76) - redctchr
M18 - Aleric, Tripod1
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every time I have tried to kill a tank with rockets from my pony, I always miss. but more than a few times, i have marked tanks with rockets , just aiming in the general direction only to be awarded a kill. go figure.
he's a tiger, i rushed to mark for our friendly tank as there was an enemy con entering town.
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/tiger3.png) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/semperac/media/tiger3.png.html)
semp
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I fly the P38J to rocket gv. The rockets are near centerline of ac so they pretty much go where I point the pipper.
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Well if it was Crater... I found quite a number of tanks with kill credits on your 262 since CMA was introduced:
M4(75) - Fish62
Panther - Aihru
M4(76) - redctchr
M18 - Aleric, Tripod1
Oh man that's embarrasing :confused:
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Any of you guys ever wondered how the Germans aimed those rockets using the Revi reticle?
I'll put up some show and tell tomorrow. It's pretty simple in a DouH!! kind of way. You just have to remember any accuracy was from 400m(437yds) and closer. At which point you really only have two aim points in your Revi 16D reticle. Those sneaky germans didn't put all those thingies in the reticle just to clutter up your ability to see the other guy.
I'm going to bed now. Pictures tomorrow.
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I get my Internet back today, so expect a lot more pb tank kills in the coming months.
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I expect to be back in the game in the very near future so expect to see the 190F8 to get a bump in GV kills......
Fw 190F-8 50 1 0 11
<S>
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I expect to be back in the game in the very near future so expect to see the 190F8 to get a bump in GV kills......
Fw 190F-8 50 1 0 11
<S>
we will have to wing together.
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The custom blue gunsight has PB1 rocket aid for 400 and 800 specifically to use with the Fw190 F8. You just have to remember if salvo is set to 1, that it starts firing from the left wing with the F8 and fires two from each side before switching to the other wing. If you are shooting buildings or a CV it doesn't matter.
Left Wing [12.11].[8.7].[4.3] [|] [2.1].[6.5].[10.9] Right Wing
Based on the German description for usage, you need to be 300mph or above on your attack run. And not fire until 400m to hit anything. That seems to be the standard during ww2 for rocket firing across all countries. With the PB1 in this game, as you come up on 400yds, you need the aim point for the wing side the PB1 will be firing from center on your tank. I tested rockets from other aircraft and they all fly pretty much straight out. So that may be why hitting tanks is often problematical while concussion destruction of ack and hitting buildings is easy.
You can use the AAF rocket guide with the Typhoon and nail tanks at 400 once you start aiming with the side rail marker. Other wise aiming dead center you are hitting the tank by accident due to not being able to hold a steady center during an approach run. I was watching my offline testing and it was always one rocket of a two salvo that hit the tank.
Custom PB1 Rocket Aid Gunsight.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img31/497/ndt7.gif)
Revi 16D and How the German Pilots Aimed PB1.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img34/3599/eww9.gif)
AAF 5in HVAR rocket aid with side guides for each wing.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img42/3960/n5r.gif)
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where can I download these?
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You haven't downloaded any of this years Historic packs I posted? The AAF rocket aid and Revi 16D are in them. The other thing is a generation 10 series I'm working on for myself. I test the real world reticle aids to understand how they work and why with the blue thingies. Always wondered why no one asked why the AAF rocket aid was two angled lines. One for each wing because the rockets shoot straight ahead. The space between the lines is the Mil width at distance the rockets are mounted under the wings.
The mossi wingspan requires wider marks for "one off" target placement in the game. Same aim points as the Fw190 F8. Rockets were fired in salvos as an area saturation in ww2. I'm betting the germans setting up firing two from each wing was to saturate against a tank or vehicle while point aiming favoring the wing side. By the way, the rockets in the Yak7B use the same aim points as the Fw190 F8. You aim rockets from the IL2 with the left and right edge of the inner ring at 400.
Latest Historic pack....: http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/58544012/file.html
Unzip on your HD. Readmes for each country folder. Each bmp file must have it's mil file copied with it to the sights directory.
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You haven't downloaded any of this years Historic packs I posted? The AAF rocket aid and Revi 16D are in them. The other thing is a generation 10 series I'm working on for myself. I test the real world reticle aids to understand how they work and why with the blue thingies. Always wondered why no one asked why the AAF rocket aid was two angled lines. One for each wing because the rockets shoot straight ahead. The space between the lines is the Mil width at distance the rockets are mounted under the wings.
The mossi wingspan requires wider marks for "one off" target placement in the game. Same aim points as the Fw190 F8. Rockets were fired in salvos as an area saturation in ww2. I'm betting the germans setting up firing two from each wing was to saturate against a tank or vehicle while point aiming favoring the wing side. By the way, the rockets in the Yak7B use the same aim points as the Fw190 F8. You aim rockets from the IL2 with the left and right edge of the inner ring at 400.
Latest Historic pack....: http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/58544012/file.html
Unzip on your HD. Readmes for each country folder. Each bmp file must have it's mil file copied with it to the sights directory.
I've got them now! :salute Thank you
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Mk-84,
I was doing some offline testing and arrived at and interesting conclusion. If you are attempting to attack a target to favor pinpoint aiming of a single rocket from its position relative to the wing. Make sure that your line up run is not actually starting out dead on centered to the gunsight but, then, when you favor the aim point aid in the gunsight, left or right. You haven't also yawed the fighter's line of travel so that you are attacking 1-2 degrees at an angle, left or right to the target.
The results will be a miss to the opposite side of the target. It is showcased in an extreme with the mossi, because the rockets are mounted so far apart out on the wings. So lining up your initial straight line run has to be slightly offside. Unless you are shooting at buildings, a CV or using concussion to destroy auto ack.
In offline practice with all of the rocket types flying in the IL2 to the Mossi. 400 yards had the best accuracy result. I used up most of the rockets getting the off sided approach run squared away. It was always the last or second to last rocket that I lined up a dead on shot and the tank blew up. Other wise I kept a constant ring of blown up tarmac within 20ft of the tank in a ring around it. This was if I was selecting a single rocket.
Salvo's of 2, about the same. By the last run I killed the tank with one of the rockets. Setting for higher salvo numbers is really putting all of your eggs in one basket so to say. In practice when you watch players in the game do this with all rockets fired in a single salvo or simply tapping the button as fast as possible. If their initial aim point is over the top of the tank. All of their rockets hit past the tank. Or some combo of the first hits short and the rest hit long. Very few have ever practiced to know their 400 yard aim point. And you see this close up tank hunting while defending a base with an IL2.
If you cannot point aim 2 rockets at a tank from 400, it is worthless to salvo anymore. At least if you miss with 2, you have something to think about to correct for your next run. Barring the fact that Hitech has made tanks single shot 75-88mm skeet shooting self defense flack wagons. And most tankers can hit a fly between the eyes at 400 yards with their own eyes closed these days.
***NOTE***
For the best accuracy with rockets, you need to have your fighter at a minimum of 300mph, faster is better within limits. Achieving this means a long straight run or dive making you tank skeet shooting fodder as you wait for 400 yards for your best accuracy. After action reports in ww2 by typhoon pilots did not warn to never ever attack tanks because they could single shot you from the air with their main guns like Wyatt Earp. Rockets were just very inaccurate for targets that small. Bombs worked better. Ships, buildings, trains and road convoys were better targets.
**Updated**
I forgot to mention, testing by the British with 60lb rockets resulted in 9 hits on tank sized targets for 116 rockets fired at 400 yards. WW2 rockets are not really pinpoint accurate devices.
Using the AAF 1944 N9, L3, Mk8 rocket\bomb aid as an overlay to common historic gunsights, here are examples of how to visualize aiming for 400-800 yards. I'm including the bomb markers. Specific British gunsights had the ability to lower the center dot to account for rockets or bombs.
AAF N9, L3 and Mk8 Rocket\Bomb aid reticle.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img42/3960/n5r.gif)
Revi16 D
(http://imageshack.us/a/img19/2647/z95.gif)
PBP1 Early used by the Yak 7B.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img46/2049/v3we.gif)
US NAVY Mk8
(http://imageshack.us/a/img853/6655/mw1.gif)
The two below are the differences in the width of the rocket wing mountings for the Typhoon and Mosquito.
Typhoon
(http://imageshack.us/a/img542/5583/wuf.gif)
Mosquito
(http://imageshack.us/a/img534/1597/k1n.gif)
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Thanks bustr, that was very informative. I'll try the mossie gunsight.
Indeed due to the very wide spacing in the mossie rocket mounts I found them to be useless to me unless hitting hangars. Even small town building I often miss unless I remember from which wing the next rocket will come and compensate by eye. On top of this, the rocket rails, unlike the bomb, add a lot of drag and seriously limit my ability as a fighter after rockets are off.
by the way, what do the tick marks on the horizontal and vertical lines indicate in the mossie sight? I suppose that the fat ones are range for a typical fighter wingspan? What about the lower two thin tick marks on the vertical cross line?
Finally, do I need to set my head position at a certain location in the cockpit?
Barring the fact that Hitech has made tanks single shot 75-88mm skeet shooting self defense flack wagons. And most tankers can hit a fly between the eyes at 400 yards with their own eyes closed these days.
That is the result of the "do everything from the commander position using your helmet mounted HUD" arcade approach.
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Thanks bustr, that was very informative. I'll try the mossie gunsight.
Indeed due to the very wide spacing in the mossie rocket mounts I found them to be useless to me unless hitting hangars. Even small town building I often miss unless I remember from which wing the next rocket will come and compensate by eye. On top of this, the rocket rails, unlike the bomb, add a lot of drag and seriously limit my ability as a fighter after rockets are off.
by the way, what do the tick marks on the horizontal and vertical lines indicate in the mossie sight? I suppose that the fat ones are range for a typical fighter wingspan? What about the lower two thin tick marks on the vertical cross line?
Finally, do I need to set my head position at a certain location in the cockpit?
That is the result of the "do everything from the commander position using your helmet mounted HUD" arcade approach.
Bozon,
Don't use the graphic. Here, if you want my "Blue Thingy" rocket testing reticle for the Mossi only.
The two lower horizontal stadi are from the N9 rocket\bomb aid for glide bombing. No matter how I bomb with a Mossi, I always seem to drop 50ft short of the target. Now rockets are another thing. Unzoomed the center dot stands out. I'm attempting to wean myself from using zoom for shooting as much due to missing some maneuvering opportunities only visible in default PoV. This gunsight is a distillation of the concepts from the Revi and PBP gunsights which are specifically designed from the issues related to centerline mounted cannon and MG. If you experiment with low E turns while shooting, you will notice the bottom of the 50Mil stadia rests inline with the con's wings as you turn and shoot. The Italians developed that concept from the Revi reticle with the San Giorgio Tipo C reticle.
Copy both the bmp and mil file to your sights directory.
http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/60722779/file.html
Main ring = 105Mil
Large Stadia Mark = 50Mil
Small Stadia Mark = 25Mil <---- Also just about the pipper for the 20mm due to their belly mount location.