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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on December 25, 2013, 08:47:48 AM
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HTC has perfected nighttime IMO
Not only didnt I have any problems fighting and flying at night. but I found targets easier to target and had a very noticable boost in framerate. Even in a large furball. No stutters, no lag. The game ran smooth as silk.
And no I didnt have to boost gamma
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Night flying is interesting, to be sure. I recall when it used ot be part of the normal rotation and I had a tough time fighting in it then. Last night was not any different. I just don't see the targets as well, so I need to boost my gamma.
Not saying that I'm against it mind you. Only that I'm just not that effective in it...but then one can probably say the same thing about my flying in the daylight too, so nevermind.
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I noticed more playes where exited about the night then santa.
And i agree,bring it on HTC!
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Night flying is interesting, to be sure. I recall when it used ot be part of the normal rotation and I had a tough time fighting in it then. Last night was not any different. I just don't see the targets as well, so I need to boost my gamma.
Not saying that I'm against it mind you. Only that I'm just not that effective in it...but then one can probably say the same thing about my flying in the daylight too, so nevermind.
Im not trying ot be intentionally insulting or start a flame war. so please dont take it that way. But as I was saying then it holds even more true now. If you (anyone) cant see at night enough to fight. Then your monitor is not calibrated correctly.
Night now is far FAR better then it was back then in terms of visibility and playability. The effect you should be having is something like a Harvest moon where you can literally read by moonlight and the aircraft are somewhat illuminated by the moon and standout from the. black background of the night sky
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I think we should give night a try for a week or so and see how it works out.
Maybe 15 minutes every two hours for a start?
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I enjoyed the "night" combat, it was great in planes and gv's. :aok
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i agree, bring on the night!! that was awesome!
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Bring on the night :) The only nay-sayers I've seen are the well know perk farmers.
I was on last year when it went dark. Wasn't doing much then. But this year I am in a squad and we did missions based on it being dark. Great fun!
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the "night" was pretty much daylight anyway, so it didn't make any difference.
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I was tooling around in my 262 looking for santa and the way the night looked, the shadows inside the cockpit from the night was awesome got a few kills then did my usual crash landing lol..... Perks meh i have a ton of them lol
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Bring on the night :) The only nay-sayers I've seen are the well know perk farmers.
:huh :lol
Just for clarification, what is a "perk farmer" (aren't we all?) and is that supposed to be something negative? :headscratch:
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did anybody notice that as soon as santa left 1/2 the player base logged off?
semp
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did anybody notice that as soon as santa left 1/2 the player base logged off?
semp
About the same time and certainly no earlier then when half the player base logs off as a norm.
Also remember half the player base I heard on vox last night sounded like they had more then their fair share of drinks in them.
And as soon as Santa left. the sun rose again...rather quickly I might add
Nice try though
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:huh :lol
Just for clarification, what is a "perk farmer" (aren't we all?) and is that supposed to be something negative? :headscratch:
Well i can honestly say im no bomber perk farmer eveytime i even try to up a bomber its an instant tcp disco to desktop. Even reinstalled the game but still disco in bombers (b17's,24's,lancs) A20's i dont.
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Im not trying ot be intentionally insulting or start a flame war. so please dont take it that way. But as I was saying then it holds even more true now. If you (anyone) cant see at night enough to fight. Then your monitor is not calibrated correctly.
Night now is far FAR better then it was back then in terms of visibility and playability. The effect you should be having is something like a Harvest moon where you can literally read by moonlight and the aircraft are somewhat illuminated by the moon and standout from the. black background of the night sky
Hmm, that's very interesting, as that wasn't what I was seeing at all. I could see icons of planes, but not the planes themselves really, or any moonlight reflecting off them per se.
So it sounds like something probably isn't right with my monitor setup? I'll have to dig into this a bit and see if I can sort it out. Thaniks for the feedback Drediock!
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HTC has perfected nighttime IMO
Not only didnt I have any problems fighting and flying at night. but I found targets easier to target and had a very noticable boost in framerate. Even in a large furball. No stutters, no lag. The game ran smooth as silk.
And no I didnt have to boost gamma
Same here, and I even got to land a few kills :D
I wouldn't mind having night 'more often'. You get to see the little things more. Like the cockpit lights (didn't even know there were any!), the plane explosions/tracer fire was vibrant and colorful. But for me the best experience was being able to actually participate in a furball of over 40 people, at once. That was my 'gift' from 'santa' :)
If HTC is willing, I wouldn't mind seeing 15 mins worth of 'nighttime' every 2 hours or so.
Just my opinion.
:salute
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Due to spending Christmas Eve with my family I missed the night again. But I do remember the fun of night missions from the days of AH1. And the films and pictures look great! Now, if the night really has been improved to the "harvest moon" lighting, I'd be glad to see it every few hours, lasting long enough for one dusk till dawn mission. As has been proved, the night system already exists with the inclusive sunsets and risings, so adding it to the game shouldn't be a big issue to HiTech. Or then it might be, I've got no experience in coading. Maybe some Cragganmore would help to make him give us some dark times?
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Maybe not on every MA map, but how about 8 hour day /night cycles with 2 hour nights? Making 3 day / night cycles a day. A possible solution for the players who do not want the night would be 3.0k or shorter icon range at night. Plenty of combat happened at night during WWII. Some planes in the game modeling take a speed hit for flame arresters on the exhaust don't they? (Flame arrestors were to disguise exhaust at night) Plus we would probably see more night skins for planes.
<S> HACK :airplane:
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-1 WW2 day fighters never fought at night.
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WWII day fighters did not have icons telling them the difference between friendly and enemy... with ranges. I just read an interview with Hartmann, where he claims to have provoked Russian P39's to fight American P-51's and P-47's by confusing them. He claims to have done this on separate occasions by being with only one wingman, and making a quick slash attack through both groups and diving for the deck.
<S> HACK :O
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WWII day fighters did not have icons telling them the difference between friendly and enemy... with ranges. I just read an interview with Hartmann, where he claims to have provoked Russian P39's to fight American P-51's and P-47's by confusing them. He claims to have done this on separate occasions by being with only one wingman, and making a quick slash attack through both groups and diving for the deck.
<S> HACK :O
yes, and? WWII daylight fighters still didn't fight at night.
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I always loved the old rotation of day/night and would love to see it return. Unfortunately I never get to see Santa as US Christmas Eve is middle of the night for me. I'll have to try and stay up late one year. :)
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Maybe not on every MA map, but how about 8 hour day /night cycles with 2 hour nights? Making 3 day / night cycles a day. A possible solution for the players who do not want the night would be 3.0k or shorter icon range at night. Plenty of combat happened at night during WWII. Some planes in the game modeling take a speed hit for flame arresters on the exhaust don't they? (Flame arrestors were to disguise exhaust at night) Plus we would probably see more night skins for planes.
<S> HACK :airplane:
How would you like the two hour night occurring on your primary playing time? For a working family man like myself and many others, the playing time is limited to a couple of hours at weekends in the evening between after dinner dishes and bedtime. Your 3x(6+2) hours cycle would mean that people in certain time zones would always have night during their prime time. Which three time zones would that be?
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How would you like the two hour night occurring on your primary playing time? For a working family man like myself and many others, the playing time is limited to a couple of hours at weekends in the evening between after dinner dishes and bedtime. Your 3x(6+2) hours cycle would mean that people in certain time zones would always have night during their prime time. Which three time zones would that be?
As far as I remember, the way it used to work was the night shifted by a couple of hours every day, making it fair for all time zones. :old:
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Yes, Flossy, it used to work. IIRC it didn't last for two hours, though. Do you remember how long it was dark back then? One hour? Half an hour? As I remember it, the night came very often when I was online, and back then I was online almost every evening between 9 and 11 PM UTC+2, on Fridays and Saturdays often an hour or two longer. Anyway, it had to be relatively short because it didn't make me mad if I noticed it being dusk at the time I logged in. I could afford to wait until dawn if there were no night time activities with the boys.
[edit] I suppose I found the answer: Based on this thread from 2000: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,117.msg1657.html#msg1657 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,117.msg1657.html#msg1657) the night lasted 15 minutes every few hours. No wonder it felt fair for all time zones if they shifted that quarter of an hour every day.
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The night time periods of AH1 usually saw an increase in bombers as they were difficult to see and kill with manned ground guns and Osti's...no Wirbs back in the day.
Cranking up the gamma setting became the norm...for some anyway. Would be fun to have night time back but a lot of players logged off when it rolled around.
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-1 WW2 day fighters never fought at night.
So?
A lot of things happen in this GAME that never happend for real.
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it's stupid to think that people were actually gonna play in the night. on xmas people were complaining that they couldn't see and others were telling them to up their gamma.
if you want to play in the night just lower your gamma.
semp
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it's stupid to think that people were actually gonna play in the night. on xmas people were complaining that they couldn't see and others were telling them to up their gamma.
if you want to play in the night just lower your gamma.
semp
Yea cause that's the same.You want to play in day just up your gamma. :D
not semp
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Night=beyond stupid.
Want to play at night? Make your own custom arena and make it night 24/7 if you want. I can assure you it'll be mostly empty almost all of that time. There is not--repeat--NOT--a lot of people that are clammoring for this. I'm not just talking smack. I've been here a long while. This has all happened before. I was here then. It sucked. No--it really, really sucked. People left the night arenas in droves. Why? Because it sucked. I see nothing positive from giving people a reason to not play our game. It's not fun flying in the dark--you can't see. Upping your gamma isn't the answer. If you're upping your gamma to make it brighter--like day, duh--you're not really flying in the dark now are ye? If you claim you're not doing that and are still able to see "at night" then you're either lying or there's something really wrong with your graphics settings. Where I live the sky is pretty dark at night. Like--black dark.
I just gotta shake my head when this comes up every few months like it's never happened before. Get over it. It SUCKED! It's NOT a new idea. It SUCKED!
Seriously. :aok
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Night=beyond stupid.
Want to play at night? Make your own custom arena and make it night 24/7 if you want. I can assure you it'll be mostly empty almost all of that time. There is not--repeat--NOT--a lot of people that are clammoring for this. I'm not just talking smack. I've been here a long while. This has all happened before. I was here then. It sucked. No--it really, really sucked. People left the night arenas in droves. Why? Because it sucked. I see nothing positive from giving people a reason to not play our game. It's not fun flying in the dark--you can't see. Upping your gamma isn't the answer. If you're upping your gamma to make it brighter--like day, duh--you're not really flying in the dark now are ye? If you claim you're not doing that and are still able to see "at night" then you're either lying or there's something really wrong with your graphics settings. Where I live the sky is pretty dark at night. Like--black dark.
I just gotta shake my head when this comes up every few months like it's never happened before. Get over it. It SUCKED! It's NOT a new idea. It SUCKED!
Seriously. :aok
You guys keep telling us what "people" want ..a lot of us that like it are just saying WE like it. :aok
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You guys keep telling us what "people" want ..a lot of us that like it are just saying WE like it. :aok
No dude--it's a handful. A handful. And almost all of those are people that either A) weren't here when it happened and don't know better, or B) people that WERE here when it happened before and just tweaked their systems to make it more like day, or C) people that were here when it happened and just wanted to do milkruns without being seen. Period. They're the only people that could possibly think it'd be "cool".
I was here when we did this before and I'm telling you it wasn't a handful of people that just logged when it happened. It was most of the arena every time. You're not gonna tell me different because I know better.
Like I said--make your own arena. You can do that. And watch the world beat a path to your door. :D
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No dude--it's a handful. A handful. And almost all of those are people that either A) weren't here when it happened and don't know better, or B) people that WERE here when it happened before and just tweaked their systems to make it more like day, or C) people that were here when it happened and just wanted to do milkruns without being seen. Period. They're the only people that could possibly think it'd be "cool".
I was here when we did this before and I'm telling you it wasn't a handful of people that just logged when it happened. It was most of the arena every time. You're not gonna tell me different because I know better.
Like I said--make your own arena. You can do that. And watch the world beat a path to your door. :D
This was long long ago in a time far far away..gfx have changed.As i said ...All im saying is I like it.
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This was long long ago in a time far far away..gfx have changed.As i said ...All im saying is I like it.
Graphics has nothing to do with it. If it's "night" ya shouldn't be able to see. It's dark! Duh! If you're tweaking your "graphics" to make it "look better" then you aren't flying at night--in the dark. At night it's dark. If it's dark you can't see. If you can't see you can't fight. So what's the point of flying in the dark in an air combat game? That was the conclusion of this experiment long, long ago. It sucked. That's why it hasn't been repeated other than neato Santa nights. We tried it. It didn't come close to working out. Not even close.
I live about 4 miles off the end of a runway at a local airport. At night, if the planes that fly past didn't have their nav lights on--I wouldn't be able to see them. That's realistic. I wouldn't expect to. So why would you expect to see planes flying in the dark with no nav lights on (as we don't model them) here? And whatever graphics your PC is able to produce--I'm pretty sure it ain't up to the mark 1 human eyeball.
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Then, Drano, I belong to category D) WAS here when it happened but didn't tweak my system, neither did any of my buddies because it would've been against our sportsmanship code. Depending on the situation, we either flew solo, had a night mission or defended our fields. It was fun doing a NOE mission trying not to hit the mountains!
You talked about milkrunning without being seen. IMO the red icons will shine like neon lights in the dark. The dar bar and dots don't go anywhere. If there's people in the tower just sitting and watching the sky turn red, it's their loss. If people really left the arenas in droves as you put it, it would have affected all countries, leaving each the opportunity to try to take empty fields in the dark. Statistically no country benefited in such a situation. Besides, that's how it works even in daylight conditions during the off-hours when it's prime time either on the Atlantic or the Pacific, or in the Far East except for Japan for that matter. A disciplined and well oriented group could win entire maps during those hours! Unlike the damage that could be done during a 15 minutes darkness.
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Graphics has nothing to do with it. If it's "night" ya shouldn't be able to see. It's dark! Duh! If you're tweaking your "graphics" to make it "look better" then you aren't flying at night--in the dark. At night it's dark. If it's dark you can't see. If you can't see you can't fight. So what's the point of flying in the dark in an air combat game? That was the conclusion of this experiment long, long ago. It sucked. That's why it hasn't been repeated other than neato Santa nights. We tried it. It didn't come close to working out. Not even close.
I live about 4 miles off the end of a runway at a local airport. At night, if the planes that fly past didn't have their nav lights on--I wouldn't be able to see them. That's realistic. I wouldn't expect to. So why would you expect to see planes flying in the dark with no nav lights on (as we don't model them) here? And whatever graphics your PC is able to produce--I'm pretty sure it ain't up to the mark 1 human eyeball.
Your not getting what IM saying....ALL I SAID IS I LIKE IT. :rolleyes:
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what is there to like about it? Its equivalent to saying "I like bad".
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"I like bad".
You prove that with your name. :D
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Your not getting what IM saying....ALL I SAID IS I LIKE IT. :rolleyes:
so you do understand when we say I SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
semp
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so you do understand when we say I SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
semp
:rolleyes: umm okay.
not semp
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I enjoyed it :aok
It was a nice change from the same old :old:
I, (noun. Singular; see also me, myself, ego, etc). would enjoy seeing it more often.
:cheers: Oz
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I enjoyed it :aok
It was a nice change from the same old :old:
I, (noun. Singular; see also me, myself, ego, etc). would enjoy seeing it more often.
:cheers: Oz
Thems fighting words around here Oz :lol
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I was here when we did this before and I'm telling you it wasn't a handful of people that just logged when it happened. It was most of the arena every time. You're not gonna tell me different because I know better.
This is quite true. I remember that well, and was one of those that would log when night hit. It is one of those features that, broadly speaking, has a noticably negative effect for some people and thus forces them to log out of the game due to playability problems. If that were balanced with an equal or better number of people logging in at the same time due to the effect, then one _might_ have something. But that isn't the case here.
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You guys keep telling us what "people" want ..a lot of us that like it are just saying WE like it. :aok
how many of you have set up a night arena and play on it on a regular basis? I mean you really like it that much....
semp
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how many of you have set up a night arena and play on it on a regular basis? I mean you really like it that much....
semp
You have made your feeling known.
But by all means keep going. :aok
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Your not getting what IM saying....ALL I SAID IS I LIKE IT. :rolleyes:
No I totally get that! Hell you're a paying subscriber just like me and you're entitiled to your opinion. What I'M saying is that it has absolutely no place in the main arenas. This isn't my opinion--we've been there already. As I've also said, HTC has given you all the tools to make your own arena using whatever map you might like, whatever time you might like, hell you can even blot out the moon if ya want and make it darker still. You like the night? No problem! Have at it there. Just don't be thinking that night will be--and I'm putting it nicely here--be well recieved by the real "us" in the main arenas. It'd be the very definition of insanity.
Look at it this way. This game is hard enough in the light of day. At night a new player might be completely discouraged/overwhelmed and just straight up leave and never come back. At a time when our numbers seem to be dwindling we can scarcely afford to have new players coming into the game having negative experiences. I don't speak for HTC but I gotta think they've factored this in. There's a reason we haven't gone back to night in all these years and it likely wasn't because it was forgotten or that we needed a couple of guys to bring it back for "us".
We did this before. It really sucked. IT MADE PEOPLE LEAVE! THAT'S NOT COOL!!!!
I thought I'd put that on a line by itself so you could maybe read it thru 3 or 4 times in a row and maybe you'll get what I'M saying. I don't want night in the main arenas anymore than I like dawn or dusk. IMO that's BS too. I only get to fly a couple of hours the nights I get to fly. I used to be on every night but like bob Seeger says--I get a little weary when the workday is done--nowadays. Now I might get 3 nights a week. So I feel a bit screwed when I log on as I have the last couple of weeks and every friggin time it's either like 5:15 PM or the sun has just come up. People on range could tell ya I've made no bones about how I feel about that. Either way it means I'm flying in the danged near darkness the whole time I might be logged on, which is prime time eastern half US. But as much as this pisses me off I know it could probably be worse---it could actually get all the way to night!
I'm for day going to maybe 4:30 and reverting right to 8AM!
Bring on the light I say! Who's with me?! :rock
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yes, and? WWII daylight fighters still didn't fight at night.
And that has always been the poorest of arguments not to have night in game. Or for that matter to not have night fighters like the P61 in game
We have all sorts of things that we both do and have here that WWII planes, and for that matter GVs didnt do.
Dive bombing heavy bombers. Maybe happened a small handfull of times in WWII. Here its common.
Heavy bombers also didnt fly around at low altitudes inviting everyone to come shoot therm down.
For that matter if you want to use the "Daytime fighters" argument.
Daytime fighters didnt have on board radar. Which all planes and GVs have here. That was pretty much reserved for....Night time fighters.
They also didnt have little numbers floating around them to tell the pilots if the planes were in gunnery range or not.
Most knocked out tanks werent taken out by a single planes guns. When that happened it was usually by a group of planes. Most tanks were taken out by bombs.
Tanks were able to hit things so consistently at ranges that make the target look like a small dot even at full zoom in ways that would make an M1 Abrams envious. A single base couldn't support an unlimited number of planes all at once and larger heavy bombers usually needed a large field.
Point is there are all sorts of things that are done or we have in game that are anything but conventional to how things were or were done in WWII.
so the argument of "WWII daylight fighters still didn't fight at night." is illegitimate at best.
And even with that your claim isn't accurate as there are several instances of daylight fighters being used at night. For example A number of Lightnings were modified as night fighters. There were several field or experimental modifications with different equipment fits that finally led to the "formal" P-38M night fighter, or Night Lightning. A total of 75 P-38Ls were modified to the Night Lightning configuration, painted flat-black with conical flash hiders on the guns.
That number of 75 alone for one single plane dwarfs the total number of flights heavy bombers were used as dive bombers in WWII
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Then, Drano, I belong to category D) WAS here when it happened but didn't tweak my system, neither did any of my buddies because it would've been against our sportsmanship code. Depending on the situation, we either flew solo, had a night mission or defended our fields. It was fun doing a NOE mission trying not to hit the mountains!
You talked about milkrunning without being seen. IMO the red icons will shine like neon lights in the dark. The dar bar and dots don't go anywhere. If there's people in the tower just sitting and watching the sky turn red, it's their loss. If people really left the arenas in droves as you put it, it would have affected all countries, leaving each the opportunity to try to take empty fields in the dark. Statistically no country benefited in such a situation. Besides, that's how it works even in daylight conditions during the off-hours when it's prime time either on the Atlantic or the Pacific, or in the Far East except for Japan for that matter. A disciplined and well oriented group could win entire maps during those hours! Unlike the damage that could be done during a 15 minutes darkness.
Yeah when it was happening I was one of those too. Never changed anything. Thought I'd give it a chance. Right up until I logged. But ya gotta admit--you'd never get more than about 1% to be the good sports in the MAs today.
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it's stupid to think that people were actually gonna play in the night. on xmas people were complaining that they couldn't see and others were telling them to up their gamma.
if you want to play in the night just lower your gamma.
semp
Dont know where you were flying but I have an hours worth of film that shows exactly 1 person who said they couldn't see.
So I call your claim BS
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Night=beyond stupid.
Want to play at night? Make your own custom arena and make it night 24/7 if you want. I can assure you it'll be mostly empty almost all of that time. There is not--repeat--NOT--a lot of people that are clammoring for this. I'm not just talking smack. I've been here a long while. This has all happened before. I was here then. It sucked. No--it really, really sucked. People left the night arenas in droves. Why? Because it sucked. I see nothing positive from giving people a reason to not play our game. It's not fun flying in the dark--you can't see. Upping your gamma isn't the answer. If you're upping your gamma to make it brighter--like day, duh--you're not really flying in the dark now are ye? If you claim you're not doing that and are still able to see "at night" then you're either lying or there's something really wrong with your graphics settings. Where I live the sky is pretty dark at night. Like--black dark.
I just gotta shake my head when this comes up every few months like it's never happened before. Get over it. It SUCKED! It's NOT a new idea. It SUCKED!
Seriously. :aok
And there is not--I reapeat NOT-- alot of people clamoring against it either. Just the same old tired voices. Who may have had something resembling a point 7 years ago with the way night was modeled. But the way its modeled now...not so much.
I've been here a long while too. and I didnt think it sucked then. and I think it sucks even less now because the old claims no longer hold true. You just refuse to consider you just might not have your monitor set up correctly
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No dude--it's a handful. A handful. And almost all of those are people that either A) weren't here when it happened and don't know better, or B) people that WERE here when it happened before and just tweaked their systems to make it more like day, or C) people that were here when it happened and just wanted to do milkruns without being seen. Period. They're the only people that could possibly think it'd be "cool".
I was here when we did this before and I'm telling you it wasn't a handful of people that just logged when it happened. It was most of the arena every time. You're not gonna tell me different because I know better.
Like I said--make your own arena. You can do that. And watch the world beat a path to your door. :D
I was here
Yes a lot of people logged. That I will agree.
But night was done differently then too. It is vastly improved now.
And many who were here then. Are in fact no longer here to have to worry about them logging.
and by comparison. I only see a "handful" arguing against it now. Not the other way around.
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Dont know where you were flying but I have an hours worth of film that shows exactly 1 person who said they couldn't see.
So I call your claim BS
were you flying next to me for that full hour?
semp
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Graphics has nothing to do with it. If it's "night" ya shouldn't be able to see. It's dark! Duh! If you're tweaking your "graphics" to make it "look better" then you aren't flying at night--in the dark. At night it's dark. If it's dark you can't see. If you can't see you can't fight. So what's the point of flying in the dark in an air combat game? That was the conclusion of this experiment long, long ago. It sucked. That's why it hasn't been repeated other than neato Santa nights. We tried it. It didn't come close to working out. Not even close.
I live about 4 miles off the end of a runway at a local airport. At night, if the planes that fly past didn't have their nav lights on--I wouldn't be able to see them. That's realistic. I wouldn't expect to. So why would you expect to see planes flying in the dark with no nav lights on (as we don't model them) here? And whatever graphics your PC is able to produce--I'm pretty sure it ain't up to the mark 1 human eyeball.
Harvest Moon.
That is the effect night has now.
You do know what a harvest moon is right?
When they used to harvest crops by handThey used to be able to harvest crops during this because the effect make it light enough to see,
This is a harvest moon and the effect it has.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Harvest_moon.jpg/300px-Harvest_moon.jpg)
See. Its night time. Can you see?
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were you flying next to me for that full hour?
semp
Oh Im sorry. You were flying along all those masses you claim were complaining about night.
I didnt hear thos complaints on Vox but for one person. And I didnt see any mass complaints on the text buffer.
If your complaint claims were even remotely true. It would have been widespread and not simply relegated to where you were.
Or maybe its just the the people Im around simply dont whine as much...Birds of a feather and all that
And here. I see two people saying nay
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Harvest Moon.
That is the effect night has now.
You do know what a harvest moon is right?
When they used to harvest crops by handThey used to be able to harvest crops during this because the effect make it light enough to see,
This is a harvest moon and the effect it has.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Harvest_moon.jpg/300px-Harvest_moon.jpg)
See. Its night time. Can you see?
we should turn off all the lights in the city during harvest moon. imagine all the money we could save. why didnt anybody else think of that? boy you are smart :salute.
semp
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The way it used to be I used to log too until I learned to turn up my gamma. Then I could prey on those who had been like me and couldn't see anything.
I rememeber one "night" I looked at my instrument panel and I was flying upside down and didn't realize it. The only fun place to play before learning the gamma trick was around field fires so you had a little bit of light and a reference point.
While the gamma trick made seeing easier it would have to be turned back down once you left the game (or "daylight" returned) or everything would wash out. I really don't like having to adjust my monitor back and forth just to play a game.
I don't mind dusk and dawn and they could even make those longer but night went away for a reason. Everyone would log out.
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My dad don't like driving at night cause he is old and cant see.
I love driving at night cause i can see fine as im not OLD.
Kind of like these arguments against night....old old old. :D
I love you guys..i really do,but its the same few (older) players that complain about this stuff.
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No I totally get that! Hell you're a paying subscriber just like me and you're entitiled to your opinion. What I'M saying is that it has absolutely no place in the main arenas. This isn't my opinion--we've been there already. As I've also said, HTC has given you all the tools to make your own arena using whatever map you might like, whatever time you might like, hell you can even blot out the moon if ya want and make it darker still. You like the night? No problem! Have at it there. Just don't be thinking that night will be--and I'm putting it nicely here--be well recieved by the real "us" in the main arenas. It'd be the very definition of insanity.
Look at it this way. This game is hard enough in the light of day. At night a new player might be completely discouraged/overwhelmed and just straight up leave and never come back. At a time when our numbers seem to be dwindling we can scarcely afford to have new players coming into the game having negative experiences. I don't speak for HTC but I gotta think they've factored this in. There's a reason we haven't gone back to night in all these years and it likely wasn't because it was forgotten or that we needed a couple of guys to bring it back for "us".
We did this before. It really sucked. IT MADE PEOPLE LEAVE! THAT'S NOT COOL!!!!
I thought I'd put that on a line by itself so you could maybe read it thru 3 or 4 times in a row and maybe you'll get what I'M saying. I don't want night in the main arenas anymore than I like dawn or dusk. IMO that's BS too. I only get to fly a couple of hours the nights I get to fly. I used to be on every night but like bob Seeger says--I get a little weary when the workday is done--nowadays. Now I might get 3 nights a week. So I feel a bit screwed when I log on as I have the last couple of weeks and every friggin time it's either like 5:15 PM or the sun has just come up. People on range could tell ya I've made no bones about how I feel about that. Either way it means I'm flying in the danged near darkness the whole time I might be logged on, which is prime time eastern half US. But as much as this pisses me off I know it could probably be worse---it could actually get all the way to night!
I'm for day going to maybe 4:30 and reverting right to 8AM!
Bring on the light I say! Who's with me?! :rock
Lots and lots of words to say ......(I don't like night) :rock
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I don't like night. . . I like pie.
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The way it used to be I used to log too until I learned to turn up my gamma. Then I could prey on those who had been like me and couldn't see anything.
I rememeber one "night" I looked at my instrument panel and I was flying upside down and didn't realize it. The only fun place to play before learning the gamma trick was around field fires so you had a little bit of light and a reference point.
While the gamma trick made seeing easier it would have to be turned back down once you left the game (or "daylight" returned) or everything would wash out. I really don't like having to adjust my monitor back and forth just to play a game.
I don't mind dusk and dawn and they could even make those longer but night went away for a reason. Everyone would log out.
thing is. the way night is modeled now. You dont need to turn up the gamma. If you need to turn up the gamma the way its done now. It was already set wrong to begin with
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thing is. the way night is modeled now. You dont need to turn up the gamma. If you need to turn up the gamma the way its done now. It was already set wrong to begin with
I never have been able to fly Christmas Eve and see Santa or the current version of night because that's when our family gets together however I see the screen shots posted each year.
If there had never been night in AH (now you have to pretend you've never seen it) and you went to the Wishlist forum and posted a wish for night (a regular occurance there btw... now back to pretending you've never seen it) can you imagine the response you'd get? People would call you stupid. Why would you want to fly around not being able to see anything? Remember again, no one's experienced it yet, but I can predict the responses.
As I said, it still comes up regularily in the Wishlist forum, mostly to a negatively leaning response and most of that from those who have been there (in the past). I could see a somewhat darker period between dusk and dawn than we see now and a little more long lasting but that's about it. True night? No. I'm looking at it out of my real life window now and I can't see anything except what's lit. I can't even see the trees across the street from me.
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were you flying next to me for that full hour?
semp
Even my "outdated, middle of the road computer" has no problem with night. What was your issue? :lol
I understand that some people have concerns, and I still suggest that we test the idea again in the MA with short nighttime cycles a few times a day for a week or so. Just to see how it works.
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in fact, just a few posts down in the wishlist right now: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,357338.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,357338.0.html)
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so the argument of "WWII daylight fighters still didn't fight at night." is illegitimate at best.
Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.
I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.
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Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.
I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.
Go fly offline and set the arena time to night. I personally can see just about everything I could during the "day".
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Go fly offline and set the arena time to night. I personally can see just about everything I could during the "day".
yes, and?
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I never have been able to fly Christmas Eve and see Santa or the current version of night because that's when our family gets together however I see the screen shots posted each year.
If there had never been night in AH (now you have to pretend you've never seen it) and you went to the Wishlist forum and posted a wish for night (a regular occurance there btw... now back to pretending you've never seen it) can you imagine the response you'd get? People would call you stupid. Why would you want to fly around not being able to see anything? Remember again, no one's experienced it yet, but I can predict the responses.
As I said, it still comes up regularily in the Wishlist forum, mostly to a negatively leaning response and most of that from those who have been there (in the past). I could see a somewhat darker period between dusk and dawn than we see now and a little more long lasting but that's about it. True night? No. I'm looking at it out of my real life window now and I can't see anything except what's lit. I can't even see the trees across the street from me.
See thats the thing. If all you remember is how night time used to be modeled and didnt like it before. And havent experienced it first hand how its done now, then yea. You are going to rally against it.
The way it is now is different. Yes the sky is dark. But from the air you can see the ground at about the same intensity as we get during dusk/dawn.
Aircraft icons stick out like a sore thumb against the nighttime sky and while it is difficult to see the planes dots at long ranges. At maneuvering ranges you can see, and what the planes are doing as they become somewhat illuminated by the moonlight.
I didnt mind night the last time. But I still think its much MUCH better the way its done now. Not ony that but the game itself ran smoother for me. I was getting frame rates of 75 in a furball when normally they drop to as they were last night at around 45.
This isnt like the old days when a lot of people had to turn their gamma up. Now if you had to turn your gamma up it was probably already set too low to begin with. And if you have to turn it up its not by much and turning it up a lot really provides no real benefit or advantage
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Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.
I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.
No it isnt because we have so many other things that happen here that didnt happen in WWII. I listed some of them. Those instances in themselves make your entire argument illegitimate.
Fact too is that many missions did happen at night particularly for bombers and adapted fighters that were used to intercept them.
It wasnt a daylight only air war
And while they may have needed to log or wait then, or turn their gamma way up. Now this is not the case
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Do it in the MA, the ones that hate the night can go enjoy another arena for a short while, like Mid War, Early War, WWI, or go hide under their bed and wait for the sun to come back out. The Hi-Tech team worked really hard on those arenas too, when was the last time you enjoyed them? Many people logged after santa left, BECAUSE IT WAS CHRISTMAS DAY, that was the only reason they were there. Many were probably pissing off family members just to see santa. You can not use that as an honest claim against having night time. Ohhhh here is a novel idea why don't we put up a vote. Like when they give us a new plane... or will you collectively elect the effing JU-52 3m, hold on to your seats... its 70 KTAS slower than the goon. (ok now I am rambling)
Guess what they call night in the real aviation world?... IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) Even I can't make this up. So yes you are going to have to rely on your instruments, just like a real pilot. Tweak your monitors, or just calibrate them in the first place. 99% of the daily use monitors I see are not even calibrated. (Just type calibrate in the start bar before this starts a help topic) Even though people work on them 6+ hours a day. Adjust the gamma on the clipboard, game the game, or whatever you do.
WWII day fighters did not fight at night is NOT an argument, that is just stating a redundant fact. Also, saying dog fighting did not happen at night is either dense, misinformed, or just outright lying to yourself and us. It happened frequently on the western front. Maybe the Vichy French did not have experience with it, but the Commonwealth, American, and Germans sure did. I guess Discovery Wings Channel never made it across the pond. Multiple interviews were aired on this channel about night fighting, and how scary it was. One I recall included a Mossie pilot finding his target by get this... the flames out of his adversary's exhaust and then twisting and turning the night away in the dark trying to shoot each other down, that sure sounds like dogfighting to me. This was done BEFORE the radar birds. There were times that missions ran late or started early and they had to deal with night, even pilots that did not have night ratings. The English were rationing petroleum like you would not believe, and one way they got bombers back that were late at night, was to torch tons of gasoline in ditches or rudimentary pipes lining the runway so the bombers could land. There were night fighter derivatives of the planes already existing in the game. The 110 has flame arrestors on it to prevent seeing the exhaust at night, in this game! The plane takes a 5-10 ktas hit just for that.
WWII fighters also did not have a magic clipboard with dots with friendlies on it. Night is fun... for a little bit, so let us have it. :bhead
Do people not know about the gamma adjustment on the clipboard? I use this as the sun changes during its cycle already, or if I go from fighters, to GV's. You should not have to adjust your monitor and its settings between the cycle of day and night, especially the night we had this Christmas. While your back there might as well degauss that CRT. I recall being over 12k on a bomb run no problem looking through the pipe.
<S> HACK
there is the right way, the wrong way, and then this groupthink cluster#U(%
P.S. I have had two different know better than me types, tell me I was going to get kicked out of the game for my handle, and the sensitive nature of hacking(verb) in Aces High. Just to clarify I am HACK the adjective being used as a noun. So please don't kick me out of the game, and let me keep my adjective as a noun name. In all my years here I have no firsthand knowledge of someone getting booted, just a rumor about a guy on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10FhzJo7-Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10FhzJo7-Y) with smoke and bombs, I believe the multiplayer free arena taken from us after this.
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Years ago when we did have night people DID vote. They left in droves! The last time this topic came up and there were a number of people who kept pushing for night and even argued with HiTech about they soon good booted when they wouldn't calm down about it. Some very nasty things were said to cause it but it proves it if a volatile subject and 5 hat HTC Most likely will not run night in the mains other than special occasions.
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Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.
Well, not entirely true, The luftwaffe did scramble single seat fighters in defense of cities vs. night-time bombers. They would look for bombers caught in the spotlights.
As for a night period in the game.....throw one in for a trial period... Once in a while is really kewl....regular periods may change some minds.
Last time I was able to fly the santa thing, I didn't find that the nighttime made my abilities any worse than what they were to begin with.
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Old night totally sucked; I, along with a lot of others, just logged.
That said, you can't be against trying new stuff. Some of it may prove to be interesting.
My general thought is that it is tough enough to see aspect during the day and the new night is not likely to improve that.
It would probably enjoy some popularity initially just because it would be something different.
Throw it in and eventually the log in / log off data will tally the vote for HTC.
Oh, and a link to a very old icon discussion where a lot of the picture links have long since vanished. The discussion and facts remain true, however, and explain the "why" of icons. You simply can't see the detail on a computer that is available in real life. No icons is best considered a gaming difficulty level rather than any type of realism.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,25522.0.html
and
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,24575.0.html
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Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.
I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.
So if HTC was nice enough to give us dessert and winter maps (and he seems to have hinted at this) we can only fly the planes that flew in those arenas?
Its laughable that you think every "fight" in the game needs to be historically correct.
Just the birds and the paint jobs.
Your argument means nothing in this GAME
But i love you guys!
:noid
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Maybe, when the map resets each time, the new one could start off as Night and then fade into daylight for the next hour or so. This way there would be a bit of night to play with, the onset of night would not bother any ongoing battes because the arena just reset, and it might be fun to try for a bit.
Whatcha think?
I enjoyed flying at night on Christmas Eve.
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Maybe, when the map resets each time, the new one could start off as Night and then fade into daylight for the next hour or so. This way there would be a bit of night to play with, the onset of night would not bother any ongoing battes because the arena just reset, and it might be fun to try for a bit.
Whatcha think?
I enjoyed flying at night on Christmas Eve.
This is good.
Everyone keeps talking about like full length night maps that will drive players away.
I was just thinking 40 min or so of night,im sure know one would leave in that time.
And its still the same 2 people complaining about night. :D
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I also hate night :D
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This is good.
Everyone keeps talking about like full length night maps that will drive players away.
I was just thinking 40 min or so of night,im sure know one would leave in that time.
And its still the same 2 people complaining about night. :D
this works for me^^^^^that would make sense-and be cool.
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that wasn't night on xmas eve.. it was more like daylight with a dark colored sky.
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This is good.
Everyone keeps talking about like full length night maps that will drive players away.
I was just thinking 40 min or so of night,im sure know one would leave in that time.
And its still the same 2 people complaining about night. :D
I wouldn't be so sure. I don't think it was very long in the old days and people would log out as soon as "dusk" hit and would come back later when "dawn" hit.
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Do it in the MA, the ones that hate the night can go enjoy another arena for a short while, like Mid War, Early War, WWI, or go hide under their bed and wait for the sun to come back out.
There has been night before. People logged off on mass, The did not log to other areas, a no amount of wiching will change that. It's really no more complicated than that.
With maps that are built for 2000 players, and supporting 200 at any given time (probably only half of which are actually engaging in, or want to engage in, air combat), do you really think changes to the game that push the air combat oriented players out of the game to be the right move?
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Yea they like no change and there the same people to blame for the game dieing.
Kids like dimensions to games and gfx ,one thing the cry baby's have kept out of this game.
Let em log. :aok cause they cant handle night ,we have already lost a large number of our player base.
Time to get a new base.
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Let em log. :aok cause they cant handle night ,we have already lost a large number of our player base.
Time to get a new base.
Now there's a winning business model! Let me log! Right on! Pure genius. :rolleyes:
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Now there's a winning business model! Let me log! Right on! Pure genius. :rolleyes:
Better then listening to the FEW CRIERS, which is killing the game softly with oldness.. :D
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Vortex, Drano, BE and any 1 else who is complaining about the night, did you fly Christmas Eve? Have you ever flown Christmas Eve? We used to have a quazi night. Where's AckDweeb he is 1 of the biggest whiners.
I'll say this again Christmas Eve Night is Dark Clear Pitch Black ..HT pulls the switch and its ON ..no need to fuss with the gamma.....it is not the same "Night Time" we used to have....that we humped the gamma switch to straighten out....or.... IT is the night we used to have.... turned all the way up ....I don't know... but it blacks out the arena to where it is crystal clear and the moonlight and stars are awesome the two are not the same in the way they look. Why not just try it out on Sunday nights for a month at say Midnight EST for 30-45 min see what happens?
Whats the big deal just try it out :rolleyes:
I'm sure HT gets a kick out of this conversation "Hey Skuzzmiester let's see who wants night this year....HAHAHAHA" every year. :rolleyes:
Asked for since ...wait for "IT" ;).....................2005
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,167473.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,167473.0.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,157887.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,157887.0.html)
one of last years
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343830.msg4540161.html#msg4540161 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343830.msg4540161.html#msg4540161)
I think it just opens a new can of worms they just don't want to deal with <Night fighters, flares...etc>
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I saw icons, bright and clear, but the things I was shooting at were too dark. Probably has a place for certain events, but Im not interested in a regular nighttime setup. I know id just logoff and come back for daytime. Enough times doing that and Id eventually just logoff.
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I didn't really notice a difference between the way night-flying was on Xmas eve, and the way it used to be Megalodon. Planes were basically black holes, I didn't see any of this reflection that lit up planes which you and others mention. I had to crank up gamma to see the actual planes.
That said, I'm not trying to rain on the parade here. However from what I saw the night flying looked no different than it used to years back. And with that I can only suggest the most likely outcome insofar as participation rates are concerned, would be similar to that of years past.