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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: BaldEagl on December 28, 2013, 01:29:01 PM
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And what's it going to be?
I'm sort of expecting an announcement any time now.
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Due any time now. Waiting on one small piece of the puzzle to be confirmed.
It will be Pacific themed, however.
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Oh good. That means I get to fly Grummans and light Roman (I mean Japanese) candles. :aok
Unlike Chinese candles which float upward, Japanese candles float down.
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Sounds like we need to stock up on Saki! :)
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Banzai :rock
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Thanks for the enthusiasm, and patience :) We are wrapping up the order of battle, and it will be announced early January ( :pray )
Overall, however, here's the concept. We are going to tour the Pacific. 4 Frames, 4 different terrains, 4 different battles.
Each fight will be unique, relying on a very strong leadership team to be flexible and adapt to an ever changing battle field.
One frame will be a large attack and retaliation effort, another frame will be an occupation effort, a third frame will be fleet to fleet and massive dogfight, and a fourth will be a major bombing campaign. Each side will be given their bodies and planes, with a general guideline for plane ratios, then it will be up to them to fight each battle, assigning their players as needed. Sometimes there will be torpedos or heavy bombers, other times not. We've tried to focus one frame on the major elements, such as an entire frame focusing primarily on dog fights, another focused on escorted bombers. There will be early to late war plane progression.
This has been something I've been concocting for years, and really was geared more for a 6 frame event, but we'll see how it works in 4 and if you all enjoy the concept, perhaps we can expand on it in future scenarios.
One thing we are looking for here is to provide as many options for you to participate,without getting stuck in routine. 4 frames of bomber duty is all well and good if you are into the heavy metal like I am, but I do know it can get dull, so let's mix it up.
This one is going to take some high caliber planning and a very strong team to pull off the changes. I know the scenario junkies around here can pull it off though.
Hope to roll this out as soon as possible. We brought this out as a concept a while back.
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:rock. SWEET!!!!!! :aok
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Sounds great! Now I get to die in multiple airframes in a single scenario. :lol
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I am in. WOOT WOOT!!! :aok :banana:
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I'm in if needed!
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Stoked! I'd love to give this a try! Haven't flown SFO since.. well a long time. :rock
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I'm in if needed!
Not a matter of need, SIM. It's a matter of enjoyment. Hope you can make some, if not all of this one. You will be amazed at what the scenario guys have up their sleeves.
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Add me to the allies :joystick:
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:banana:
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In
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Yummy !
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Sweet, i plan on flying P-38s if there are any. Kind of getting attached to it in the MA.
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Posted by: perdue3
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Sweet, i plan on flying P-38s
I don't recall sending you anything that might suggest your status has changed. I really don't want you to waste time planning for something that isn't going to happen. Better to know now.
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Sweet, i plan on flying P-38s if there are any.
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:x
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The P-38 was the only American fighter aircraft in production throughout American involvement in the war, from Pearl Harbor to Victory over Japan Day, chances are pretty good she'll be in there :aok
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See what I started? :airplane: :joystick:
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I hope to fly a Zero :neener:
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I want one of these:
(http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Kalinin-K7/IMAGES/Kalinin-K-7-Pre-WWII-Russian-Giant-Bomber-Transport-Front.jpg)
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I want one of these:
(http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Kalinin-K7/IMAGES/Kalinin-K-7-Pre-WWII-Russian-Giant-Bomber-Transport-Front.jpg)
I call shotgun!!!!!
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HOW MUCH LONGER????? :D
I'm so excited!!!! :cheers:
:salute
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Bet you knew this was coming......2 weeks. :D
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Bet you knew this was coming......2 weeks. :D
SAWEEEEEETTTT :x
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Just got the last piece of the puzzle. Finishing up the final testing to make sure I can't break the terrain lol
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Waiting, Waiting, Waiting!!!!!!!!!!! :devil :salute :cheers:
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We need an eastern front scenario to welcome the TU-2S.
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We need an eastern front scenario to welcome the TU-2S.
I would like one for that and for the Yak 7B. Also, we already had an Eastern Front scenario with the P-39 (Red Storm), but I like the P-39 and look forward to scenarios with it, too.
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Just got the last piece of the puzzle. Finishing up the final testing to make sure I can't break the terrain lol
Kids. You can't let them play with anything without breaking it.
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Hehe yep :)
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Can't wait, I'm calling VF-84 lead!
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/finalcountdown-1.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/finalcountdown-1.jpg.html)
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How much longer???
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OK ROC cough it up, the locals are already trying to get the torches and pitchforks out of the shed. :bolt:
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OK ROC cough it up, the locals are already trying to get the torches and pitchforks out of the shed. :bolt:
Yes! Where is it? :old:
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2012/12/simpsons_mob.gif)
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:noid
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Still waiting on the F-14 guys, two weeks. :airplane:
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Still waiting on the F-14 guys, two weeks. :airplane:
If only haha :D
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B-24 was produced the entire war as well I believe...
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B-24 was produced the entire war as well I believe...
1941-1945...war started in 1939, so not quite. :P
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1941-1945...war started in 1939, so not quite.
...I love to split hairs almost as much as I love to talk off subject...if you want to get "technical" some say WW2 actually started in '31 when Japan invaded Manchuria...AFA 1939...the US didn't "officially" enter until almost 1942... :cheers:
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Sure. You guys wanting ROC to hurry up. Yeah, that's gunna happen. Sure.
If it was I writing the next scenario, 2 things would happen.
1.) I'd take my sweet time and make sure it was ready before I released it because of the few that will pick it apart, down to the molecular level, scrutinizing every possible flaw.
2.) I'd wait untill the last minute so I wouldnt have to go through 3 months of #1
Sooooooooooooo, where the hell is it ROC ?
ROC is my friend :)
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...I love to split hairs almost as much as I love to talk off subject...if you want to get "technical" some say WW2 actually started in '31 when Japan invaded Manchuria...AFA 1939...the US didn't "officially" enter until almost 1942... :cheers:
so in your terms you were 10 years off the mark on the b-24 production. :neener:
the manchurian incursion was a precursor to the start of war in southeast asia, not the start of ww2. the second sino-japanese war which began in 1937 with the full scale invasion of china would be more technically correct, but it would not become world war until hostilities began in europe in 1939.
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Paging ROC........Paging ROC.......please pickup the white courtesy phone. :joystick: :airplane:
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so in your terms you were 10 years off the mark on the b-24 production. :neener:
the manchurian incursion was a precursor to the start of war in southeast asia, not the start of ww2. the second sino-japanese war which began in 1937 with the full scale invasion of china would be more technically correct, but it would not become world war until hostilities began in europe in 1939.
...points taken...I'm really just hoping there's going to be some B-24's in the scenario...
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hehe you guys are awesome :) Good to see interest and enthusiasm. Finishing touches are being put on now.
We are going to run a Pacific tour.
It will be Pearl Harbor, Midway, Santa Cruz and Japan.
We will be attacking a very snazzy brand new Pearl Harbor terrain, head over to Midway for a "capture the island" perpetual battle, move on to Santa Cruz for an air to air and ship to ship battle, and wind up with an massive bombing campaign over Japan.
Write up is being finished up, Redtail and Brooke have taken the lead on the overall design, and I am excited to see this one come together. It's been on the back burner as one of my "must do" event concepts for many years.
Hope you guys like it. I think just about everyone who has made some contribution and suggestion got a bit tossed into this one. Each frame will introduce new planes, each frame will have a completely different objective and style. This ones going to need some real hardcore leadership and the ability to adapt on the fly for the wholly unexpected.
Looking to open up registration within weeks, and run it march/april after hashing out holiday/special occasion calendar conflicts.
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Woo-hoo! Now I am freaking out. Meatballs or no meatballs?
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/nervous/afraid.gif)
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Woo-hoo! Now I am freaking out. Meatballs or no meatballs?
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/nervous/afraid.gif)
Don't get to excited there little piggy. The first frame is held in Hawaii. You know, the land of luau's.........you do know what they roast at a luau don't ya?
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Don't get to excited there little piggy. The first frame is held in Hawaii. You know, the land of luau's.........you do know what they roast at a luau don't ya?
:aok :lol
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Don't get to excited there little piggy. The first frame is held in Hawaii. You know, the land of luau's.........you do know what they roast at a luau don't ya?
Don HO was from Hawaii.
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Yayyyyy :banana:
You should really do a scenario in May because it's when I'll be home from college :pray
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No F-14s? :cry
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May sit this one out. TBM's as subs for TBD's, no Ki-44, no Ki-100, no J2M, no B6N, almost guarantee we'll be tasked with killing B-29's with Ki-43's.......
No thanks :bolt:.
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hehe you guys are awesome :) Good to see interest and enthusiasm. Finishing touches are being put on now.
We are going to run a Pacific tour.
It will be Pearl Harbor, Midway, Santa Cruz and Japan.
We will be attacking a very snazzy brand new Pearl Harbor terrain, head over to Midway for a "capture the island" perpetual battle, move on to Santa Cruz for an air to air and ship to ship battle, and wind up with an massive bombing campaign over Japan.
Write up is being finished up, Redtail and Brooke have taken the lead on the overall design, and I am excited to see this one come together. It's been on the back burner as one of my "must do" event concepts for many years.
Hope you guys like it. I think just about everyone who has made some contribution and suggestion got a bit tossed into this one. Each frame will introduce new planes, each frame will have a completely different objective and style. This ones going to need some real hardcore leadership and the ability to adapt on the fly for the wholly unexpected.
Looking to open up registration within weeks, and run it march/april after hashing out holiday/special occasion calendar conflicts.
So a make believe Pearl Harbor setup, Late War TBM-3's in early war and the impossible task of killing bombers with IJAAF in 45. Sounds fun, Im in.
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TBM's as subs for TBD's,
It works OK, as shown in two previous scenarios. We used them in Coral Sea 2005 and 2009, and the IJN did fine, winning their share of the frames. It depended more on execution and planning.
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/coral_sea/pics/frame3-7_drop2.jpg)
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200907_coralSea2009/pics/frame4/016-sunk-Image-0036.jpg)
no Ki-44, no Ki-100, no J2M, no B6N,
As those weren't used at Pearl, Midway, or Santa Cruz, it matters not for 3/4 of the scenario.
As for the last frame (later-war attacks on Japan), they were around, but not the most-prevalent planes (there were only 476 J2M's, 1225 Ki-44's, and 395 Ki-100's produced). We use a lot of Ki-84's and N1K's, for example for balance, and they are as good or better.
almost guarantee we'll be tasked with killing B-29's with Ki-43's.......
Incorrect.
No thanks :bolt:.
You can play or not as you wish, of course, but let's not have you making your premature decision based on significantly incorrect assumptions.
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US air power at Pearl was essentially non-existent after the first few minutes. Unless you're going to significantly weaken field ack, have them line up on the runway, and enforce a no take-off rule until the first cannon shells stitch their way across the P-40s' wings, its not historical.
Strictly speaking, pearl harbor should just be a test of the Axis's ability to bomb and torpedo targets while under threat from ground-fire, nothing more.
The TBM's deck speed is more than 50mph greater than the TBD's top speed. This is not insignificant, and is still worth pointing out, regardless of previous performance, as the A6M2 (and I severely doubt you will be kind enough to give us A6M3's) is only around 20mph greater than the TBM's at the altitude I suspect we'll end up having to kill them at.
My only consolation is that the only fighters we will be facing is P-40's and F4F's for the majority of the scenario.
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Incorrect.
Forgive me if I have my doubts. The CM team does seems to be fond of the Allied bombers' impact on PTO events, and B-29's are even worse. Faster. Tougher. Better armed. All I can say is an alt cap had better be imposed, or you won't have much of a frame 4.
You can play or not as you wish, of course, but let's not have you making your premature decision based on significantly incorrect assumptions.
My dear Brooke, I only base my assumptions on past experience.
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US air power at Pearl was essentially non-existent after the first few minutes. Unless you're going to significantly weaken field ack, have them line up on the runway, and enforce a no take-off rule until the first cannon shells stitch their way across the P-40s' wings, its not historical.
Strictly speaking, pearl harbor should just be a test of the Axis's ability to bomb and torpedo targets while under threat from ground-fire, nothing more.
The TBM's deck speed is more than 50mph greater than the TBD's top speed. This is not insignificant, and is still worth pointing out, regardless of previous performance, as the A6M2 (and I severely doubt you will be kind enough to give us A6M3's) is only around 20mph greater than the TBM's at the altitude I suspect we'll end up having to kill them at.
My only consolation is that the only fighters we will be facing is P-40's and F4F's for the majority of the scenario.
I agree with some of your comments however I think we can allow for a bit of leeway on the Pearl Harbor bit. Scenario's aren't meant to adhere to history 100%. Otherwise it would just be a re-enactment and we would know who was going to win right from the start. In the case of Pearl Harbor I think with just a bit of imagination you can see how things might have unfolded a little differently allowing more warning and giving pilots time to get their birds off the ground.
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US air power at Pearl . . .
As stated by another poster, a Pearl frame is not a re-enactment, but an event themed on the battle. No scenarios are re-enactments, and almost all of them make modifications for play balance. A large number of WWII air battles were enormously unbalanced and would not be fun to play out.
The TBM's deck speed is . . .
Yes, there are of course performance differences. The things that matter are, however:
-- Do we have a TBD? No.
-- What is the closest US substitute? The TBM.
-- If we use the TBM, does it unbalance the event or make it unworkable? No -- as proven in past scenarios beyond a doubt.
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Forgive me if I have my doubts.
Go ahead and have your doubts, but that assumption about frame 4 is still incorrect.
My dear Brooke, I only base my assumptions on past experience.
My experience and yours are vastly different, then.
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My only consolation is that the only fighters we will be facing is P-40's and F4F's for the majority of the scenario.
Who's we? I thought you said you weren't playing.
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The cool thing about trying to recreate the feel of the Pearl Harbor attack is seeing how easy it is for the rhetoric and rumor mill to be running the same as it did at the time.
No one is going to know exactly what will happen, when and how the players can or will react until it actually happens :) Frankly, the build up to the actual attack was rampant with rumors, demands to position and reposition assets, complaints about the conditions at the base and a great many other things that impacted the assault. Until the attack unfolds, it's all speculation and gossip. This one is going to drag you through the emotional roller coaster and spit you out the other end. Some are going to grow from the experience, some are going to crack, some are going to quit, some are going to go into the battle with the out come predetermined, and others will rise up and fight like they have never fought before.
All as planned. Some will rise to the occasion, others will not.
Tank Ace, you are playing the event already, whether you know it or not. The outcome is not determined yet. Carry on.
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That is an interesting take on things ROC.
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Can I drive the truck down the runway at Wheeler!
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All,
I believe what you will find in this scenario is exposure to four years of all out air war in four weekends. The scenario staff works very hard to develop the best events possible for your personal enjoyment. Yes, there are limitations to what can be produced. Everyone participating in these type events needs to understand that there are certain bounds by which history can not be replayed or re enacted.
The single most important priority to the Scenario Staff is your fun and enjoyment of AH scenarios. The scenario team has had a lot of previous experience in scenario and other events in developing and delivering really great events to the AH community.
So, look for the fun and not the frustration in the setup or the absence of the exact history.
Once you are in the air and the first round is fired the fun will begin and we'll forget about any flaws that are unearthed. A large portion of the time associated with setting up a scenario is combing for setup flaws. Minus general human error, I believe that ROC runs a very tight ship when it comes to production and delivery of scenario events.
The scenario team appreciates everyones inputs and welcomes everyone to continue to stay engaged. You guys start to rally the troops and standby for registration to open. Don't forget to read through the scenario write ups to get all the information you can.
This is going to be fun. :aok
"Clear Prop!"
:salute
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I don't know what ROC, Brooke, Redtail and others have design the Pearl Harbor component of their scenario. But back in the Air Warrior days we did a Pearl Harbor scenario and it was surprising. Basically the US was not allowed to launch until a confirmed siting of an actual Japanese plane. If I remember right we had a C47s up to simulate normal air patrols and such (I think like 8).
The Japanese made a mistake and tripped the C47s patrols about 20 minutes or so before the attack. If I remember right I think one or more of their pilots didn't follow their CiC's flight plan but went on a more direct route and crossed the path of a patrol plane on the North side of the island. It allowed the US to launch planes about 15 - 20 minutes before the Japanese planes showed up. Yes, the US didn't have alt but not getting caught launching or just after launching made a HUGE difference. That frame was fought to a draw if I remember right.
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IN
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I'm definitely in on this one. :)
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Port moresby frame! P38g p39d and early p40 (Maybe hurricane 1) vs zero val Betty Kate and ki43. Also I'm really getting antsy for the next scenario
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Can I play too? :aok My only experience thus far was getting thrust into BoB-2014 during my third week of play. :x It was AWESOME :banana:
I have all the faith in the world when it comes to our events community. I'm certain they will do their best to ensure both sides enjoys a little time in the cartoon sky. Life is unfair gents, take what you can get when you can get it!
Looking forward to this!!! :salute
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All,
I believe what you will find in this scenario is exposure to four years of all out air war in four weekends. The scenario staff works very hard to develop the best events possible for your personal enjoyment. Yes, there are limitations to what can be produced. Everyone participating in these type events needs to understand that there are certain bounds by which history can not be replayed or re enacted.
The single most important priority to the Scenario Staff is your fun and enjoyment of AH scenarios. The scenario team has had a lot of previous experience in scenario and other events in developing and delivering really great events to the AH community.
So, look for the fun and not the frustration in the setup or the absence of the exact history.
Once you are in the air and the first round is fired the fun will begin and we'll forget about any flaws that are unearthed. A large portion of the time associated with setting up a scenario is combing for setup flaws. Minus general human error, I believe that ROC runs a very tight ship when it comes to production and delivery of scenario events.
The scenario team appreciates everyones inputs and welcomes everyone to continue to stay engaged. You guys start to rally the troops and standby for registration to open. Don't forget to read through the scenario write ups to get all the information you can.
This is going to be fun. :aok
"Clear Prop!"
:salute
Scenarios are my favorite! I've never done a Pacific themed yet so it will be interesting to see my what my writings are like. DGSII was by far my favorite scenario of all time. Fighting against Ditto and the Luftwaffe at 30,000 feet was a blast :cheers:
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I too enjoyed it.
I will be flying IJN in this one.... So if you manage to kill me, I will not count it towards our USAAF vs LUFTWAFFE fight :salute
:noid
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I too enjoyed it.
I will be flying IJN in this one.... So if you manage to kill me, I will not count it towards our USAAF vs LUFTWAFFE fight :salute
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I shall not count it hopefully soon we can determine a victor since we have fought one another in every Western Themed FSO since DGS :salute
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Take part in a war crime or go allied...
Think I'll bite the bullet and grab a P40
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Take part in a war crime or go allied...
Think I'll bite the bullet and grab a P40
Mmmmm war crime :bolt:
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You say war crime like its a bad thing.
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give me a fence and I shall sit on it!
Will have to wait for the write up I think.
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give me a fence and I shall sit on it!
Will have to wait for the write up I think.
Picket? Barbed Wire? Electric? Spiked?
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Picket? Barbed Wire? Electric? Spiked?
Barbed wire with an electric fence running through it :D
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Hey MrMidi, nice job on the short video :cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgXMSnGtRWQ&app=desktop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgXMSnGtRWQ&app=desktop)
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:D
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Nice work Midi :aok
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Hey MrMidi, nice job on the short video :cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgXMSnGtRWQ&app=desktop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgXMSnGtRWQ&app=desktop)
More teasing....... :x
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Someone either has training in hostage situations, previosuly worked for Microsoft or wrote a book on how to pick up blondes.
I have heard so many times about how great it will be when it gets hear I am actually looking forward to it.
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When is it? I think I'll have to fly allied this time. I can't fly those rice paper planes for nothin!!!!! :salute
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Waiting, just not very patiently :furious :D
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Due to a slight miscalculation, the scenario roll out clock has had to be reset.
The current estimate for roll out is now "Two Weeks", and is slightly over budget.
:rofl
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Ahhh CRAP! Are the Democrates running that too? :rofl