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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LaVa on March 08, 2001, 12:41:00 AM
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First, let me say that HTC has done a brillant job of creating a ww2 flight sim. The models feel correct <i am a real pilot> with a few exceptions. Of course, this is a work in progress, hard to tell sometimes with the recent lack of news, etc. I personally think that HTC is squezzing every bit of the cotton between their...? because of the progress of ww2online.
Let me put it into a business prospective...if ww2online actually makes it out, then HTC might be in trouble. Everybody i know wants to play ww2, it promises everything that a ww2 fan wants.
In a perfect world HTC would be designing the Flight models for ww2, but that isnt the case.
If ww2 comes out with 75% of what it promises, then AcesHigh, along with all the other ww2 stuff is going to be hit hard! Bottom line, no ifs ands or Butts!
I havnt meet one person that hasnt said that he/she will NOT try ww2.
Better charge 29.95 while you can..ill pay it.
Btw, whats the average life expectancy of an online game? I would guess forever if they keep updating it ? ?
Thanks...and good luck HTC:>
LaVa
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Oh boy, look, another WW2OL thread that really should be posted in the O'Club as opposed to here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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recent lack of news. what the F are you talking about. We have lots of news and a new verion out soon. What a pathetic troll. Coundnt get a taker on channel one so you brought it here eh...
If ww2 online only has early war planes I wont be there.
"I really like AH but I cant resist droping this pathetic destructive troll and see what happens."
APD
Theres your answer.
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Yeah...some business will leave but thats not entirely bad. Might up the maturity level in the MA a notch or two.
Should go off topic for sure.
Y
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Easy easy..hey pongo, no need to bring your dungeons and dragons in here with ya. Take it easy kid.
Just a thought....
<lifts up his flame shield>
I quess i really should'nt be concerned with what happens. Cuss this little troll gonna have fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sorry about putting this in the wrong slot.
O well..lets hear about
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AH will have nothing to fear from WWII Online. They are two different games, one focused on the air war, one on the whole war. If you want to really enjoy WWII Online IMO, you will have to change your flying style and the object is mainly to increase rank, live and help your side win the war. A far cry from the everday happenings in the MA here in AH.
Yes I will fly both, but I can't see spending much time in WWII O for a while, as it will be stuck in the BoB for quite sometime I believe. Plus, it is totally mission oriented, and I might not be able to schedule my time online to take advantage of the mission profiles I might be interested in. So I end up here in AH jumping into whatever I feel like flying that day at that moment. And having one hell of a time doing it too.
We shall see, but I can't see it having much of a lasting effect on AH.
ts
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The models feel correct <i am a real pilot> with a few exceptions.
Lemme guess. Aerobatics, and military ACM training emphasizing BFM, and training to survive real aerial combat? These exceptions?
Duh. You better not be tracking VOR's on auto pilot, staring at EFIS screens and making posts like you have a pedestal and expertise on sims. Or worse, looking at the horizon in a 150, feeling all bird like in your VFR trainer.
I will say Ill pay without a thought for both sims. No prob. That means HTC loses one less, I just gain one more fun hobby software online.
Thing is, as much as I want WWIIOL to be all that it wishes it could, it will be a outdated graphic mess, if it makes it out by next year at all. At least Falcon 4.0 looks kick bellybutton even today.
Cornered Rat Software prove me wrong, I want to send them money and have fun on thier sever.
I just doubt it like the Cub's making the playoffs. Plenty of guys wish, and they all are crushed in the end. Good idea, but the past is so telling.
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Have you looked at what WWIIOL is going to have for a planeset for the first 6 months?
Spit mk1, Hurri mk1, Bristol Blenheim.
bf 109, bf110, ju-87, ju-52, he111.
Curtis Hawk H-75 (Early p40 variant)
Thats it, period, until they open the next theatre.
Compare that to what people are currently flying in AH. Yes I expect most people will try WWIIOL IF it comes out this year. However, how many will pay 30$ for the box, Plus 10$ a month to fly those planes????
Sorry I don't see the furballers leaveing in droves. Not to mention, until it's actually on my HD it's all talk.
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actually i see the Furballers STAYING with AH, because it's all air. In WW2online they wont find enemeys everywhere. I would rather fly historical planes in historical maps doing historical stuff than see p51's fight f4u's.
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Everybody i know wants to play ww2, it promises everything that a ww2 fan wants.
Wrong. If I have to do anything anyone tells me to do when I am online it is not what I want. I am a WWII fan, unless you have a definition I don't know of. Having read the WWIIOnline board has been telling. No General Balo's for me, thank you very much.
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Damn, Kieran you picked the exact part I was going to quote. lol And you said it better than I would have.
I'd only add that in addition to all the litle Napoleoans and snipers there is this enourmous preponderance of "idjits" who post asking why all the soldiers are white, who name and model themselves after SS units that were infamous for murder and atrocities, wwho want to know if they'll be able to dive thier planes into groups of people, or ram other in tanks, planes or ship, why they must have kill shooter on - no not because they think it'll be kEwL to shoot thier own (eye roll) yeah right - but because they find that was more realistic. To top it off they have "Avenger" there.
The sys spec minimums are almost twice what AH is. And many of the folks who pissed on AH as being impossible to work with are hanging out waiting for WW2O to arrive. With the same unit they couldn't get AH to run with.
The list goes on. I'm making my own tummy churn just writiing this....
I'll try WWIIO, but my synicsm is with the player base not being up to par in my eyes. Not the program itself.
I give it 6-10 mos after open beta before it has more easy mode features than AH or WB's does so it will appease the relaxed/arcade realism crowds.
I predict that WW2O will have ten times the amount of conflict between the free for all, independant types and neo-military types than we ever had here. And there will even be a hellofalot of tension between the neo-military types themselves as they all berate each other for not doing it right, claimiong they could have done it better and the inevitatble "who the hell put you in charge? My squad is doing what it wants regardless of what you say. See you in Berlinin two days!".
-Westy
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WWIIOL does promise a lot. I personaly don't see it happening any time soon. Early war plane sets are not to my liking as a general rule though they are interesting on occasion. I have also perused the message board over there and I just can't get interested in the topics I've seen. Vaporware does not hold me for long.
I do hope it succeeds but if I have to buy a boxed game to try it I probably never will. A mission oriented only situation does not sit well with me either. I like to go up on the spur of the moment and just fly around sometimes and chat with the other players.
I'm not that good in here so I see no sense in not being good somewhere else too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). I do think it will affect AH, but I don't think it will be for long and I don't see it closing HTC's doors either.
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weg... if all people wanted was "historical" planesets they could just go to WB. All the same fites all the time.
WWII online might be neat but I don't know how they will get enough people to wait or coordinate to make it work. It will be interesting to see. a lot of The people that will be attracted will not be noted for patience or teamplay.... something it would seem the sim would need.
lazs
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Whats not historical about a P51 anf F4U fighting, seems to me a P51 or 2 got whppied in the soccer war down south a bit. Plus a Goodyear built corsair got beat by a Vought built one, all in real live action. HTC has nothing to worry about the terrain over there will be huge and the lack of planes and good fighting will bring back the true combat flight simmers. I went to Plaunet well over a year ago (10/99)and was told then it would be in open beta when Aces High went pay to play. Well except for a short 3 week period last month I have been paying ever sence it went pay to play. HT has nothing to fear about vapor ware. Also take a look at the recommended system specs, how many do you think can play that now. (quakers are all up to speed on the systems).
I personal dont wish any bad luck on Playnet I met most of the people there and DocDoom brought a book that I bought for Australia to my house. Ill take a look at it some day but Ill always be here now at Aces High.
My opinion only.
Tommy (INDN) Toon
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In order to obtain an air battle in WWIIonline you have to hope at least 1000-2000 players are online. There is a chance that most ppl online will be grunts or on ships or under the sea in subs. You may have to fly along time in order to find a fight. I just don't think that ppl are patient enough to play WWIIonline. I see them making a killing on sales of the CD and then hoping enough(and were talking thousands)support the online part. I just don't understand how having everything covered regarding war is going to work. Something will have to suffer in order to attract players.
They will have to have a free trial without purchase of the CD to attract subscribers. But can they afford that??
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Originally posted by LaVa:
Easy easy..hey pongo, no need to bring your dungeons and dragons in here with ya. Take it easy kid.
Just a thought....
<lifts up his flame shield>
I quess i really should'nt be concerned with what happens. Cuss this little troll gonna have fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
How would you classify a statement like this
"Of course, this is a work in progress, hard to tell sometimes with the recent lack of news, etc. I personally think that HTC is squezzing every bit of the cotton between their...? because of the progress of ww2online. "
This is not only a flame but a slimey lie. We are getting lots of info on the new release. Lots of screenshots of the new planes. You want to be treated with courtesy when you post crap like that?
I guess what you wanted was something like.
"Ya LaLa your right. HTC is so scared of WW2 online that they might never release 1.06. why bother. its all over."
No matter what the details, if WW2 online is a better GAME then HTC will have to react or pay the price. If it is not they will not. You added nothing to what is known about ww2 online that would make me take your concerns seriosly. Your slight against the honestly of HTC concenring releasing info to us still pisses me off. I have never seen a game(maybe il2) that releases info and responds to their customers in this way.
WW2 onlines core pricing stratagy involves making someone pay for 3 months worth of play up front. HTCs stratagy involves giving 1/2 a month away to try it out. The dollars for subscriptions right now are a mute point. One game exists the other does not.
If all this was to get HTC to consider their rates(probably) then dont waste your time. They probably consider them on a regular basis, I doubt the feel compelled to send the resutlts of their deliberations to lala land until they decide if a change is warranted.
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Right now, the only market they have is a BBS for the immature. Sheesh! Have you ever read any of those posts? Other than the recognized names from the flight sim community, nothing but drival from "sirgallahadonaquesttosavetheq ueeny" types.
I hope the WWIIOnline community, oh say, grows up?
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LaVa,
Actually I find that it is WWIIonline that is lacking in the news department.
I will try WWIIonline and if I like it, I'll keep the account. If I don't like it, I'll cancel the account. Simple.
I have no plans to cancel my Aces High account regardless of whether or not I like WWIIonline.
I have always been a fan of mid to late war aircraft, e.g Spit Vs, IXs and XIVs; not Spit Is and 21s. AH has these (except the Spit 14, please 1.07 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)), WWIIonline does not and may never.
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I'll fly both, why not? If it actually comes out (which is doubtfull) and if they can deliver on most of what they promise (which is even more doubtfull) then they deserve our support even if they've roadkillted us for the last what, 18-24 months? I suspect we'll never actually have to make the choice.
CRASH
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Amen Apache!!! Say it!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I just peeked ion there as I could not resist with the discussion this a.m. Right now, one of the hot topics are by folks already complaining that there may be be too many free spirit or lone wolfe players in WW2O and they want to khow what the CRS people will do to prevent that.
It's beautiful man, beautiful. lol WW2O is becoming online fly paper (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Hehehehee...........
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<punt>
Ww2 is nothing but a bbs board.
AH is great game.
The end.
LaVa
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"The end."
Is it? How many hours or days will it be before someone else posts as if they were running into a Red Lobster and yelling out that Chuckey Cheese is going to bury,nay, "destroy" this restaraunt chain?
-Westy
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I said this on the other thread and I will say it again: WW2OL is not out yet.
Useless to picker about it.. Lets wait and see if and when it comes out and then return to the subject ok? Cool enough?
I don't understand why people compare a working game to a game which they only saw advertisements from.
It's like screaming to all the ferrari2001 model drivers that 2002 model will be much much better and that they are all morons driving it.. Then exit with the trusty smoking Lada.
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This really belongs in OT< but what the heck...
Couple points.
WWIIOL and AH will be different games. I suspect MANY people will try and maintain both accounts. For $10/mo, a lot people can afford to keep WWIIOL in addition to another flight only game.
You do not have to follow orders from ANYBODY. Rank is used to influence target values and to plan missions, but you are not obligated to take any mission you don't want, or follow any orders you're not inclined too.
Missions are optional. Sure, there is a the hope the game will be more "mission oriented" and the only way to advance in rank is to complete missions (and for others to complete missions you assign), but if you just wanna grab a plane and furball, that option is open to you.
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Oink! Oink! To War!
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Vila-
That is heartening to know.
Don't get us wrong (going to do something I normally don't do- try to speak for a group of people), many of us wish well for Cornered Rat. Many of us don't see that the program will fail, only that it will fail to give what many of the people say they are going to leave here to receive- a place that is mission-oriented only. To me that seemed an unlikely premise. Couple that with the thought you might be forced to come in and play to the whims of everyone who ranks above you and, well... it just didn't add up. It seemed an impossible interpretation, and you have addressed that clearly.
I still believe that people ought to scale back their expectations a tad though. No sim can deliver everything we hear people commenting about.
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You do not have to follow orders... Missions are optional...
Exactly. You're much more diplomatic about it than I am (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It is the same as we have here, or WB's or AW right now. We have squads, mission planner, points...the whole shebang. Here some do not like furballers and some do not like the stratego-ists, same as there.
BUT, there is a major forum faction in WW2O, just as there is here, who do not want to allow folks that freedom and they are up in arms about it. Imagine? Someone, or someones, who they are unable to dictate gameplay to. GACK!! It runs contradictoy to thier fantasy that WW2O is going to be a neo-military structured sim of WWII combat
Of course I do not have to listen to them as I don't when I feel like it here. But it will get boring fighting Spit I's against 109E's and Stukas after a short while.
I have to wait 3 or 4 years to fly a P-47 ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
-Westy
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Ghosth wrote:
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Have you looked at what WWIIOL is going to have for a planeset for the first 6 months?
Spit mk1, Hurri mk1, Bristol Blenheim.
bf 109, bf110, ju-87, ju-52, he111.
Curtis Hawk H-75 (Early p40 variant)
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I gotta tell ya, that's a planeset that makes me drool!
If for no other reason, that's why I'll try WWIIOL. I'm not too optimistic, though. I'm interested in a flight sim, and AH is the best flight sim I've ever tried (and constantly getting better). I don't think a company that's spending much of their time on the ground war is going to be able to make a better flight sim than AH, in addition to all the other stuff they're doing.
Then again, I sure wouldn't mind being wrong.
anRky
-Ih8ubb
'Get rid of the bucket!'
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WW2 online I have been waiting for god knows how long to play it! Why:
The planes will be modeled as well as they are in her(or so they say)
The tanks will be modeled like the planes in AH, that is to say very well indeed.
The ships will modeled more realistically, their will be subs.
Their will be infantry with all kinds of guns.
Their will be the availability to do solo stuff or group stuff.
The terrain will be awesome.
You will be fighting for a "Country", this means compleat sets of equipment for that country.
It will grow like AH has, they will update it their will be more planes tanks ships etc..
But if it sucks I will still be hear.
my biggest and really my only sweety about AH is that I fly for a chess pice not a country and I shoot down German planes with German planes, and the units other than the air units are not modeled all that realistically.
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