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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Slade on January 14, 2014, 06:12:15 AM
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Hello,
What single plane would be the fastest at getting 1,000 pounds of ord from base to a target?
Assuming of course that you want to drop the ord, so say 8-10k altitude required at destination. I am assuming it will not be a bomber but let me know your findings please.
Thanks,
Slade :salute
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ar 234
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Cobia,
Does that include takeoff and climb to alt etc.?
BTW, good response. Was not even thinking about that plane. Sounds like fun.
Slade :salute
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Of the piston engined fighters I've tested the P-38L would do best for you, followed by the Mosquito Mk VI. Spitfire Mk XVI might do better due to sheer climb rate, but in general twin engined aircraft handle ordnance better than single engined aircraft. An extra 1,000 or 2,000lbs of bombs is a smaller increase in weight for a P-38 or Mossie and their ~3500hp is better able to absorb it than the 1500-2800hp of the single engined fighter-bombers.
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For only 1000lbs the Mossie might win due to it all being internal, but that probably won't make enough difference to overcome the P-38's performance advantage.
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Of the piston engined fighters I've tested the P-38L would do best for you, followed by the Mosquito Mk VI. Spitfire Mk XVI might do better due to sheer climb rate, but in general twin engined aircraft handle ordnance better than single engined aircraft. An extra 1,000 or 2,000lbs of bombs is a smaller increase in weight for a P-38 or Mossie and their ~3500hp is better able to absorb it than the 1500-2800hp of the single engined fighter-bombers.
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For only 1000lbs the Mossie might win due to it all being internal, but that probably won't make enough difference to overcome the P-38's performance advantage.
mossie (the attack version not the bomber) can carry max 4*500lbs, not 1000lbs
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With "only" 1000lbs to carry, I would think the fastest jabo to get the bomb on target area at normal MA distances would be the Dora with it's 10min WEP.
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ar 234
Given the required target altitude of 8-10k, I think that depends very much on the distance involved. The Arado is not a fast climber and takes room to get to alt.
I did a quick & dirty test - Ozkansas A137 field to A138 town, a distance of about 30 miles, just over one sector - rather typical for MA distances.
P-38L, 100% fuel, 2x1k+rockets (=3560lbs of damage) straight to the enemy base, no WEP usage: 10k reached after 5:20, enemy dar circle after 6:35, over town at 8:37
Arado, 100% fuel, 3x500kg (=3300lbs of damage) straight to the enemy base: Enemy dar circle reached after 05:43 but only at 6k. Leveling off at that point, reached town at 07:44 but still only 6k and not particularly fast.
Alternate Arado mission profile. Staying on the deck after takeoff and intending to zoom climb near the target. Dar circle was entered at 04:42 on the deck but only had reached at 400mph at that point. Zooming up only got the Arado up to about 4k. Much less efficient profile.
So in this scenario, the Arado would have to fly a indirect route to allow reaching the required target altitude. The P-38L is quicker to target and of course much more useful in combat after dropping the ords.
The Arado wins at long distance targets.
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mossie (the attack version not the bomber) can carry max 4*500lbs, not 1000lbs
He wasn't asking about max, he was asking about 1,000lbs. If you just take two 500lb bombs in the bay you have a clean airframe and 1,000lbs of bombs.
Likewise, the P-38L can opt to just take two 500lb bombs.
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Of the piston engined fighters I've tested the P-38L would do best for you, followed by the Mosquito Mk VI. Spitfire Mk XVI might do better due to sheer climb rate, but in general twin engined aircraft handle ordnance better than single engined aircraft. An extra 1,000 or 2,000lbs of bombs is a smaller increase in weight for a P-38 or Mossie and their ~3500hp is better able to absorb it than the 1500-2800hp of the single engined fighter-bombers.
Just did a quick test on the initial climb rate and P-38 with 75% fuel and 1x1000lbs had roughly ~300fpm on a Dora (100% fuel, 1x500kg) with both on WEP. So P-38 seems to get to the altitude slightly faster, Dora can use its WEP more liberally though.
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Just did a quick test on the initial climb rate and P-38 with 75% fuel and 1x1000lbs had roughly ~300fpm on a Dora (100% fuel, 1x500kg) with both on WEP. So P-38 seems to get to the altitude slightly faster, Dora can use its WEP more liberally though.
I think this is very range-dependent.
If we're talking a short hop to the other base, the D9 is probably going to be the faster of the two, just due to the fact that it can run at WEP for the entire sortie.
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Depends. If I intend to fight after delivering my bomb(s) I won't want to run WEP much at all on the trip out. Sure, the D-9 could do WEP the whole way, but that would leave you with only 3-4 minutes of WEP left for fighting.
If you just want to bomb n'auger, well, that is a different matter. One that I don't endorse.
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nvm...
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why no jugs? :headscratch:
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why no jugs? :headscratch:
Because their climb rate heavy is very much similar to that of an unpowered crow bar.
From what I've seen, if you want to get 1k there quickly with 10k alt, a P38 is probably about the best you can do.
Wiley.
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Two 500# bombs on a P47D40 climbs pretty descent on WEP. Not A 38 but the 47 offers a faster and safer return trip. If you want to get out after a ammo bunker run then 47 beats the 38. A 51D beats them both on getting out.
A typhoon with rockets is a fun choice for a radar run.
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if it's 1000lb the typhoon and P51D are good contenders too
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Because their climb rate heavy is very much similar to that of an unpowered crow bar.
From what I've seen, if you want to get 1k there quickly with 10k alt, a P38 is probably about the best you can do.
Wiley.
i dunno Wiley, i've taken 1000lbs loads in the -d40 (light load for a jug) and getting to 8000ft isn't very difficult with the 6 gun package and 100% fuel. don't see why the m model couldn't haul 1000lbs of ords to 10k faster than the d40, maybe close to as fast as any of the 38s.
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i dunno Wiley, i've taken 1000lbs loads in the -d40 (light load for a jug) and getting to 8000ft isn't very difficult with the 6 gun package and 100% fuel. don't see why the m model couldn't haul 1000lbs of ords to 10k faster than the d40, maybe close to as fast as any of the 38s.
Can you even put ords on an M? I've never even thought to look. I'd think it would have to be an N.
Maybe with the lightest gun package it would be a bit better. TBH I was extrapolating a bit as when I am carrying ord on a jug I'm carrying all I can. I just know a fully loaded 38 way outclimbs the jugs and I wouldn't expect the lighter load to be much different. The 47 climbs better lighter, so would the 38.
Wiley.
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Um.... the Spit 16. Load up the 500 lb and pair of 250 lb bombs and up up and away you go. However, if you need to go 5 sectors then it will be a one way mission. :aok
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I'd say: Boston or Ki-67...
- Decent bombload Boston 2k x 3, Ki 800kgx3
- Good climb rate bomber
- Very high accuracy
- Good chances to escape especially around 15-20k, but also reasonably easy over 10-12K as well especially if some friendlies around.
It wouldn't take much more time than any other fighter (due to good climb) but it would allow to deliver bombs accurately - over more targets, and due to high speed of these bombers escape safely.
But if you really want only 1000lb of bombs - just take Pony.
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Can you even put ords on an M? I've never even thought to look. I'd think it would have to be an N.
Maybe with the lightest gun package it would be a bit better. TBH I was extrapolating a bit as when I am carrying ord on a jug I'm carrying all I can. I just know a fully loaded 38 way outclimbs the jugs and I wouldn't expect the lighter load to be much different. The 47 climbs better lighter, so would the 38.
Wiley.
Wiley, no ords for the M just drop tanks. Even going with the 8 gun full load ammo and three 500# bombs you get a solid climb with WEP. I usually go for hangers with rockets, two 1000# bombs, 3/4's fuel and full ammo package. I don't carry the extra 500# bomb normally. Using six rockets and the two 1000# bombs leaves with four rockets for de-acking and a boat load of ammo. The 47 in my mind is the most versatile plane in the game.
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Tempest with one bomb.
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F4U-4 with 2 x 500 lbs
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Try Fw 190D-9 with one 500kg bomb. Climb on WEP then cruise on MIL to target. The Dora's 10/5 min WEP cool down cycle should see you arrive over the target with full WEP available. Might even get to use WEP on the initial acceleration after leveling off depending on range to target.
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F4U-4 with 2 x 500 lbs
Ooh, hadn't factored in perk planes. For the mission profile described, that could easily be the winner.
Wiley.
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Don't think so, its Me 262 as JABO, or Tempest for recip's - if going by A-H performance charts..
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Don't think so, its Me 262 as JABO, or Tempest for recip's - if going by A-H performance charts..
The Me262 in AH cannot carry bombs, so it isn't in contention. Even if it could I am not certain that it would be faster than some of the piston engined fighters already mentioned when the short distance to the target is taken into consideration.
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Yeah, its ironic that A-H takes the opposite tack to A.H. (uncle Adolf), on the `262..
If historically based - you could run a RATO equipped, bombed up JABO`262, (or RATO'd Ar 234)..
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Ill take the jug any day. P-38 loses anything gained when it has to maple leaf down before the drop so it doesn't compress. Plus, if there are wirbs waiting, speed is the key.
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Ill take the jug any day. P-38 loses anything gained when it has to maple leaf down before the drop so it doesn't compress. Plus, if there are wirbs waiting, speed is the key.
Try going in at about 45 degrees. You can control your speed much easier. The rocket ladder for the P38L gun sight Bustr publishes is dead on at 45 degrees. Use the bottom of the glass at the top of the gunsight lens for bomb drops. When taking out a hanger, I will fire rockets first then let the nose come up and to the hanger for the bomb drop. Takes a bit of practice.
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Ki-84. 500kg, great climb, acceleration and EZ mode fighter after the ords are dropped.
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Ill take the jug any day. P-38 loses anything gained when it has to maple leaf down before the drop so it doesn't compress. Plus, if there are wirbs waiting, speed is the key.
Trim is your friend (but then again, after years of flying it...i just found out that it can carry ords :D)
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Ill take the jug any day. P-38 loses anything gained when it has to maple leaf down before the drop so it doesn't compress. Plus, if there are wirbs waiting, speed is the key.
Sounds like you need to work on how to dive bomb. If you have to 'maple leaf' down as you make your dive on the target, you are most definitely dive bombing incorrectly or if you get your P-38 into a compressibility (you started your dive too early at to high of an altitude) state.
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