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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Max on January 15, 2014, 12:19:00 PM
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My T-34 is approaching the enemy GV base. I spot a bad guy tank in the distance and run for cover behind a grouping of trees. BOOM! he nails me. This is a pretty good tanker...GBlade. So he see's me while I can't see him and shoots thru the leaves & branches. Any time I do that, the shells ricochet off the leaves. What am I missing here?
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same happened to me like 100s times, so I would like to learn the reason , how some players can see or even shoot through trees.
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just because you cant see him, doesn't mean he can't see you.
young infants do not understand this.. most adults do though.
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I have noticed that I can sometimes shoot through trees...it might take me a few shots but it is possible...now on the other hand I have seen many garbage shots through trees...I've got a film of me behind a berm and being shot through it...but I can't even figure out how to post pics on here so vids are out of the question :lol
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Just because you are hiding behind some trees, doesn't mean some part of your tank isn't exposed.
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Looking at the reponses i see that u guys doesn't have brains of a genuine pig to graps that we r talking about angles that other player should not have any vis.
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When an ostrich puts his head in the sand he can't see you, but you can see him. Same principle. I kill and get killed like this quite often. Oddly, even some very experienced players think that when their commander and gunner have no vis of the enemy, it means the rest of their tank is hidden.
Add to that trajectory issues where one player can sneak a shot under or over a tree while the other is in a spot without a clear path. The path of the round is different than the straight line of sight through the sight. Often you can't see a tank, but your round coming in from above has a clear path. Just like killing guys that back down out of sight on a ridge.
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just because you cant see him, doesn't mean he can't see you.
young infants do not understand this.. most adults do though.
cant give a straight answer, can you? couldnt help yourself. you just had to get that insult in so you could be one of the BBS cool guys with the typical smartass cut down answer. cant ask a simple freakin question in this forum without some Biff, Thad wannabe running his love muffin mouth. so dam stupid.
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I see a bad thread rising :bolt:
On a serious note, Max, I have noticed some of the same things in my recent return to the GV world. I was marking it as my lack of knowledge (that should read "haven't GV'ed seriously in about 3 years"). But the most absurd thing I've run across is the 88's being used to shell the bases on the center island on ozkansas (I think that's the name of the map).
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Josh
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Add to that trajectory issues where one player can sneak a shot under or over a tree while the other is in a spot without a clear path. The path of the round is different than the straight line of sight through the sight. Often you can't see a tank, but your round coming in from above has a clear path. Just like killing guys that back down out of sight on a ridge.
This is the best and mostly likely explanation.
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He probably could see the bottom of your tank below the branchline of the trees while your commanders view and your gunsight view are above the branchline and blocked (this is one reason I lament the loss of the drivers view, which was down low).
Note that shells will pass through the very bottom layer of leaves/branches of trees as well as the very top layer of hedgerows (like in town).
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When an ostrich puts his head in the sand he can't see you, but you can see him. Same principle. I kill and get killed like this quite often. Oddly, even some very experienced players think that when their commander and gunner have no vis of the enemy, it means the rest of their tank is hidden.
Add to that trajectory issues where one player can sneak a shot under or over a tree while the other is in a spot without a clear path. The path of the round is different than the straight line of sight through the sight. Often you can't see a tank, but your round coming in from above has a clear path. Just like killing guys that back down out of sight on a ridge.
Bingo. :aok Don't know how many time's I've picked off a tank on the other side of a ridge or behind some trees due to trajectory. :joystick: It's quite satisfying. :D
Looking at the reponses i see that u guys doesn't have brains of a genuine pig to graps that we r talking about angles that other player should not have any vis.
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/TripleFacePalm.jpg)
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My T-34 is approaching the enemy GV base. I spot a bad guy tank in the distance and run for cover behind a grouping of trees. BOOM! he nails me. This is a pretty good tanker...GBlade. So he see's me while I can't see him and shoots thru the leaves & branches. Any time I do that, the shells ricochet off the leaves. What am I missing here?
He is just better than you.
Get over it.
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My T-34 is approaching the enemy GV base. I spot a bad guy tank in the distance and run for cover behind a grouping of trees. BOOM! he nails me. This is a pretty good tanker...GBlade. So he see's me while I can't see him and shoots thru the leaves & branches. Any time I do that, the shells ricochet off the leaves. What am I missing here?
best thing to do is save a film or post an image. without it everybody including you is speculating as to what happened.
semp
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cant give a straight answer, can you? couldnt help yourself. you just had to get that insult in so you could be one of the BBS cool guys with the typical smartass cut down answer. cant ask a simple freakin question in this forum without some Biff, Thad wannabe running his love muffin mouth. so dam stupid.
I pretty much had the same feeling...simple, legit question garners a smart arse response. How ever so helpful.
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He is just better than you.
Get over it.
Get over what? I didn't post a rank, I asked two questions.
Honestly people, if you can't add anything positive to this or other such topics, move on.
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Heres what I suspect is happening:
When hes if firing at you, he is far enough from the trees that the shell's trajectory reaches is apogee long before it gets close to the tree line, and has fallen sufficiently to allow it to pass below the branches.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/TheCrazyOrange1/A_zpsa20752eb.png)
But when you fire, you are close enough to the tree that your shell's trajectory is at or near its apogee at the point where it crosses the tree line, thus blocking you from returning fire.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/TheCrazyOrange1/B_zpse4c9404b.png)
99.9% of all "BS, he shot through the trees!!!!" whines are caused by this.
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From what I've seen with trees, the entire tree isn't a barrier to shells. There are spots near the bottom where the shot will go through them. Around the trunk and maybe a few branches will stop the shells, but if you go low enough or possibly to the sides, there seems to me to be areas where the shell gets through if it's far enough away from the solid parts.
The branches seem to be the barrier, the leaves just seem to me to be concealment, not cover.
Wiley.
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genuine pig
:aok
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Heres what I suspect is happening:
When hes if firing at you, he is far enough from the trees that the shell's trajectory reaches is apogee long before it gets close to the tree line, and has fallen sufficiently to allow it to pass below the branches.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/TheCrazyOrange1/A_zpsa20752eb.png)
But when you fire, you are close enough to the tree that your shell's trajectory is at or near its apogee at the point where it crosses the tree line, thus blocking you from returning fire.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/TheCrazyOrange1/B_zpse4c9404b.png)
99.9% of all "BS, he shot through the trees!!!!" whines are caused by this.
i was just about do say that because i have done the same shooting at a angle where the shell able to pass under the tree and hit said gv
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funny I used to farm gblade long ago, he must of gotten better to pin point at a distance, nice work gblade!
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Heres what I suspect is happening:
When hes if firing at you, he is far enough from the trees that the shell's trajectory reaches is apogee long before it gets close to the tree line, and has fallen sufficiently to allow it to pass below the branches.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/TheCrazyOrange1/A_zpsa20752eb.png)
But when you fire, you are close enough to the tree that your shell's trajectory is at or near its apogee at the point where it crosses the tree line, thus blocking you from returning fire.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad154/TheCrazyOrange1/B_zpse4c9404b.png)
99.9% of all "BS, he shot through the trees!!!!" whines are caused by this.
Thanks Tank Ace...makes perfect sense now. :salute
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Looking at the reponses i see that u guys doesn't have brains of a genuine pig to graps that we r talking about angles that other player should not have any vis.
Pot meet kettle. An English Teacher would have a field day with this :aok
:cheers: Oz
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Im usually on the losing side, but i got film of me hitting a T34/85's direct frontal armor with a 37mm M8 AFV. The T34 exploded, I immediately apologized on 200. The apology reduced the cheating comments significantly.
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I see a bad thread rising :bolt:
On a serious note, Max, I have noticed some of the same things in my recent return to the GV world. I was marking it as my lack of knowledge (that should read "haven't GV'ed seriously in about 3 years"). But the most absurd thing I've run across is the 88's being used to shell the bases on the center island on ozkansas (I think that's the name of the map).
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Josh
That is truly absurd.
I have posted films of the 88s being fired over a base with them blowing up in AA mode a mile past the base yet every object they fly directly over registers a hit so you see ack blowing up as the shells fly thousands of feet overhead and exploding a mile away.
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That is truly absurd.
I have posted films of the 88s being fired over a base with them blowing up in AA mode a mile past the base yet every object they fly directly over registers a hit so you see ack blowing up as the shells fly thousands of feet overhead and exploding a mile away.
It's just a visual thing, you see the same when tanks fire at objects or other vehicles.
ack-ack
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You are close to or in the trees you cant see out, foliage and tree trunks are close together, he has distance from the trees, tree trunks and foliage are spread out and and can see in[line of sight], he may not see the whole tank but just enough to land a shot. Take notice of friendly's driving behind trees and soon you will see an opening for a shot, most of the pm's I get when gv'ing are how did you hit me trough the trees, simple answer I seen ya :t
A GVer that is a good shot can send a round trough a clump of trees no problem. Gblade my guess was in a T-34 and the HVAP round can hit a postage stamp at 1k out.
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My T-34 is approaching the enemy GV base. I spot a bad guy tank in the distance and run for cover behind a grouping of trees. BOOM! he nails me. This is a pretty good tanker...GBlade. So he see's me while I can't see him and shoots thru the leaves & branches. Any time I do that, the shells ricochet off the leaves. What am I missing here?
Hello.
Not sure how deep you were in the tree`s or how many tree`s were in the way of the shot. But some part of your tank must have been visible or he would not have shot in the first place.
There are times when an EM GV is hiding in the tree`s you can get an some type of angle to shot but if you were 20ft to the right or left that shot may hit leaves or the tree. That can also change with the type of round what is fired maybe A round from a Panza or say a t34 hvap round to Tiger 2 round all about angles flight and range of the shot how far it needs to travel.
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Pot meet kettle. An English Teacher would have a field day with this :aok
:cheers: Oz
Hot Coffee is very intelligent. It's just he is from the Greece area.
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My T-34 is approaching the enemy GV base. I spot a bad guy tank in the distance and run for cover behind a grouping of trees. BOOM! he nails me. This is a pretty good tanker...GBlade. So he see's me while I can't see him and shoots thru the leaves & branches. Any time I do that, the shells ricochet off the leaves. What am I missing here?
You think its bad now....just wait till the new grapix terrain comes out. You will look back and see nothing. I can't wait. :aok :aok
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Looking at the reponses i see that u guys doesn't have brains of a genuine pig to graps that we r talking about angles that other player should not have any vis.
Says someone who cannot spell properly :rolleyes:
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I've killed dozens of guys hiding in the trees and been killed by dozens more. If you can see any little part of the tank and have the right shell trajectory you can either work it in under the lower branches or sometimes through between the tree trunks.
One thing I like to do if hiding in the trees myself is to switch to the lowest position I can get into then look around so I know where potential rounds could come from. The hull position in most tanks works then raise your head through the hatch and above the hull to look around.
The Jeep is a good vehicle to use to see this. Drive into a stand of trees then check out the difference between the drivers and gunners positions.
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Which brings up a question. When in a tank I normally sit in the top observer position and aim/shoot from there. I take it there's an advantage to be looking through the turret sight. Yes? And is there an advantage when tanking to have view mode set to F4 ground vis? Silly questions perhaps but I'm rarely in a tank fighting other GV's
Thanks for the helpful responses.
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We used to have driver's view? Can we please get that back so we have both? :pray
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Which brings up a question. When in a tank I normally sit in the top observer position and aim/shoot from there. I take it there's an advantage to be looking through the turret sight. Yes?
Ranging marks (in case of German tanks an adjustable gunsight with a great range finder functionality) and depending on tank a much better magnification
Panther, commander view of a medium distance tank
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/commander_zps29839f3d.jpg)
Panther, main gunsight view of the same target:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/gunsight_zps24b1f1c1.jpg)
And is there an advantage when tanking to have view mode set to F4 ground vis? Silly questions perhaps but I'm rarely in a tank fighting other GV's
You can see the ground details farther out. When engaging ground targets, use ground vis.
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:salute
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There is a big difference between commanders view and gunners view. I for one can't hit crap unless I'm in gunner. The downside is the lack of view, but since I started playing this game in a tanking squad 10 years ago I'm used to it since the commanders view is new.
I miss drivers view. :cry
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We used to have driver's view? Can we please get that back so we have both? :pray
Extremely unlikely. All newer GV would have to get interior views created, which adds a lot of work for them them at basically no gain. Likewise, it would also increase the workload when creating new GV's for AH.
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The downside is the lack of view
Which is why I never found myself comfortable in the turret view...that and the white haze (in some tanks)...my eyes are crap.
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Which is why I never found myself comfortable in the turret view...that and the white haze (in some tanks)...my eyes are crap.
Don't get stuck in the turret view. Use commander to scan the area (and maybe to shoot at point blank targets), use turret view for shooting (or to scan for targets at great distances only, if using a tank with higher magnification gunsight)
White haze?... what tank do you usually hop in?
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T-34-76.
Just went offline and tried turret position in a few others little or no haze. I also tried F4 ground vis from both observer and turret positions on the T-34 and Panzer IV. I cannot detect any difference in views apart from standard full view mode. Is that a result of my vid card?
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Looking at the reponses i see that u guys doesn't have brains of a genuine pig to graps that we r talking about angles that other player should not have any vis.
Looking at your response it appears you don't possess brains enough to write ledgible English, or make even a small vestige of contribution to what was a legitimate question. :aok
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T-34-76.
Just went offline and tried turret position in a few others little or no haze. I also tried F4 ground vis from both observer and turret positions on the T-34 and Panzer IV. I cannot detect any difference in views apart from standard full view mode. Is that a result of my vid card?
The Russian gunsights are of a lesser quality. If you find that haze too distracting, consider using the Panzer IV as a free tank or M4(76) as a lightly perked one. The M4(76) also offers the advantage of having a somewhat higher magnification.
If playing in any arena other than EW, the T-34/76 is a difficult tank to have success in for the casual tanker anyway.
Ground view comes into play at longer distances. Look at dsome distant hills and check ground vs standard view again. You should see trees showing up with ground view which you didn't see before.
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It's just a visual thing, you see the same when tanks fire at objects or other vehicles.
ack-ack
You are incorrect.
I have tested this by firing shells in which I can see the tracer pass far over the base and the acks blow up as the shells pass over them.
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Ground view comes into play at longer distances. Look at dsome distant hills and check ground vs standard view again. You should see trees showing up with ground view which you didn't see before.
There's no change...really :D I have my detail sliders set far left in prefs. Would that make a difference?
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There's no change...really :D I have my detail sliders set far left in prefs. Would that make a difference?
Oh, in that case, both modes do not make a difference for ground terrain objects. I'm not 100% sure if it includes spotting vehicles, though.
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The best way to find out how to shoot thru trees and other handy tips and tricks is to get with me, I'll show how and why as well as how to!
The second best way is to watch for a tank on the other side of the trees. Shoot at him with your machine gun, move the gun back and fourth watching the hit sprites, some will hit the tank, ( between the trees) and some will hit the trees, once you've done that you will be able to see where to fire your round,,,, also, depending on the range,, your gun doesn't fire in the same exact line your sight sees, this is important when you are really close to the target.
I'm available for training Mondays wensdays and Fridays or anytime you see me in game,, just drop me a pm and we can go to the TA , there are Lots of tips and tricks to tanking and I'll be happy to show you all I know!
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PM sent :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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He may not have been in shift-f4 mode, thus he would only see trees that are near him. I've had friendly GV's rant at me while I'm parked in a house asking me why I can't see the nme gv right near me. They are too far away to see the house, they just see my tank sitting in the open, so they just think I'm blind or dumb or something. They don't see that me and the bad guy can't see each other because there's a wall between us.
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I see a bad thread rising :bolt:
On a serious note, Max, I have noticed some of the same things in my recent return to the GV world. I was marking it as my lack of knowledge (that should read "haven't GV'ed seriously in about 3 years"). But the most absurd thing I've run across is the 88's being used to shell the bases on the center island on ozkansas (I think that's the name of the map).
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Josh
Are you sure it's the 88s? If so, you can learn fairly quickly how to kill the 88s at the adjoining base without ever leaving your field.