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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rich46yo on January 18, 2014, 09:16:24 AM
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Yesterday we stopped a Bisg attack where a lot of B25s were present, "I havnt seen that many B-25s together in a long time". With the coming TU-2S, the redo B-26, the eventual A-26, and of course the A-20, JU88, Mossie, KI-67, Boston, 410, AR234, I sense a come resurgence in the two engined strike bomber role.
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Yesterday we stopped a Bisg attack where a lot of B25s were present, "I havnt seen that many B-25s together in a long time". With the coming TU-2S, the redo B-26, the eventual A-26, and of course the A-20, JU88, Mossie, KI-67, Boston, 410, AR234, I sense a come resurgence in the two engined strike bomber role.
Maybe :noid
and yes i would like to see that instead of the Massive Suicide P38 Missions
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The B-26 is probably the best medium bomber in the game due to its speed, bomb load, and amazing defensive armament. The waist guns cover such a wide field of fire downward that they are just 1 notch shy of being a ball turret. Now it does take a bit practice to get used to switching to the proper waist gun or jumping back into the tail turret, but so does everything else in Aces High.
Just going from memory, at 50% fuel and a full bomb load, the B-26 cruises at 275mph at 14k. Once you kick the bombs out, speed obviously increases, and nearly all enemy fighters will be slowly creeping towards your six. Easy plinking for the the twin 50s in the tail turret. Head on attacks are also a lot of fun. I usually disengage autopilot and have the whole formation open up with the fixed forward firing guns. Just looking for a shot to splash oil all over the canopy of the enemy fighter. That's enough to spoil his aim and sometimes discourages him from trying to reengage.
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As good as the B-26 is I'd rather defend 3 KI-67s. First off an extra 25 mph is significant, such a gain would shut down a supply line in 1944. It often causes fighters to flatten out while trying to slash the belly and getting caught in the bombers "6". Then you can gently roll the KI and bring the top 20mms into the action along with the .50s, so thats 3 20mms and at least 6 .50s shooting back at a fighter caught in the rear.
But yeah right now I'd call the B-26 the King of the mediums. Speed, bomb loads, defensive firepower. The TU-2 will have to be awfully good to unseat it.
But they will carry more ords and will be faster, and will climb better. Not insignificant gains.
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Ki-67 has more like 45mph on the B-26, 335mph at 20,000ft vs 290mph 13,000ft. 290mph is really nothing remarkable so I am not really sure why people keep calling it fast. It is only slightly faster than the B-25C, the G4M1 is as fast at 20,000ft on up, the Ju88 is faster above 16,000ft and the Boston Mk III and Ki-67 are much faster at all altitudes. The Tu-2S will also be faster. Even the heavy bombers are faster at altitude, or in the worst case Lancaster merely as fast. The perk bombers are, of course, all very much faster.
The B-26 is much faster than the He111. Should it be added, the B-26B is will also be much faster than the Wellington.
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Do 217 is faster than the B-26, in-fact a better performer in most things & totes more loads options,
-but bugger it - its still on the wish-list..
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Do 217 is faster than the B-26, in-fact a better performer in most things & totes more loads options,
-but bugger it - its still on the wish-list..
Ju188, He177 and P1Y1 would also all be significantly faster than the B-26B, and are still on the wish list.
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Mossie's fighter-bombers and A-20 should on-top of this list since they serve as excellent fighters after they drop ordnance, when they are used in groups.
A-20 looks to me suspiciously good in taking hits, and even take more damage than the yak-3. :confused:
I mean compare with the 410, they die when you breath angrily at their general location compared.
I mean why bring escorts when they do the job better after drop ?
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What adds to the luster of the B-26 is its excellent defensive armament. I don't see another medium that's as dangerous to attack from the rear.
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Not that any real-life gung-ho fighter-jock worth his flight pay,
let alone 'throat ache' for a gong - would let mere .50cals stop him from getting stuck in,
If he caught a big plump 'n' juicy bird like a B-26 in his purview,
nah, it'd be toast, forthwith.. & they were, if caught unescorted..
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I remember the B-26, at either 10,000' or maybe 12,000', reaching about 286 mph loaded and 300 mph unloaded.
Since the mediums normally fly at 8k to 12k thats nothing to sneeze at. And 8 x 500lbs X 3 airplanes is nothing to sneeze at either. At low level, and taking your time, thats 4 hangars. So one set of B-26s can shut down a small airfield of VHs and fighters.
Also its the ultimate CV killer.
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SShhh!!! Rather they stuck to mass b38 raids, the kills are easier
I hate attacking medium bombers like the b26, higher potential for something on my plane to get busted.
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A-20s have always been numerous in appearance. Haven't seen too many A-20 raids. But I do agree that the B-26 is a beast to try to shoot down and the Ki-67's are fast and with that 20MM up top they can be deadly as well.
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The B26 can fly over a fully operational carrier group at 4000 feet and land his 457 points for sinking the CV without incurring any damage.
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And that's all I have to say about that.
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And that's all I have to say about that.
You're lucky you ran into a bomber pilot that was a crappy gunner. Against a better gunner, your FW 190 would have been toast with that terrible attack profile of coming up on the dead six position,
ack-ack
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You're lucky you ran into a bomber pilot that was a crappy gunner. Against a better gunner, your FW 190 would have been toast with that terrible attack profile of coming up on the dead six position,
ack-ack
I didn't say it was textbook.
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You're lucky you ran into a bomber pilot that was a crappy gunner. Against a better gunner, your FW 190 would have been toast with that terrible attack profile of coming up on the dead six position,
ack-ack
UHOH :devil
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When I come in dead 6 with a 190 or gondie 109: I do my damage at 1k out and aim carefully, I don't move in closer until gunner stops shooting
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B17s can remove the wing from a 110g at near d1500 from most any angle.
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And that's all I have to say about that.
I agree. I think medium bombers are yummy. :aok
I tend to slash across or come up underneath tho'... :uhoh
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Yesterday we stopped a Bisg attack where a lot of B25s were present, "I havnt seen that many B-25s together in a long time". With the coming TU-2S, the redo B-26, the eventual A-26, and of course the A-20, JU88, Mossie, KI-67, Boston, 410, AR234, I sense a come resurgence in the two engined strike bomber role.
I'll probably become a Tu-2 junkie when it finally becomes available. :rock
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And that's all I have to say about that.
LOL :aok
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B17s can remove the wing from a 110g at near d1500 from most any angle.
And that is absolutely crap, why should a .50cal reach out 1.5k in a bomber and not in a fighter armed with the same gun ???
This really needs to be addressed, read the "fixing bombers" thread in wish list
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And that is absolutely crap, why should a .50cal reach out 1.5k in a bomber and not in a fighter armed with the same gun ???
They are modeled the same.
At same speed altitude and firing direction the bullets from the same guns have the same maximum travel distance.
For example, use the .target command offline for a quick test. A B-17 at 1k flying 239 mph shooting straight forward will have it's guns register hits at 1080 yards, but not at 1100 yards anymore. If you do the same at about the same speed in a P-51, you will find the same result.
Of course, the higher you go, the further the bullets will travel, and a bomber shooting backwards to fighter flying towards him will have a greater effective range than the same fighter shooting at the bomber heading away from him.
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The B-26 is probably the best medium bomber in the game due to its speed, bomb load, and amazing defensive armament. The waist guns cover such a wide field of fire downward that they are just 1 notch shy of being a ball turret. Now it does take a bit practice to get used to switching to the proper waist gun or jumping back into the tail turret, but so does everything else in Aces High.
Just going from memory, at 50% fuel and a full bomb load, the B-26 cruises at 275mph at 14k. Once you kick the bombs out, speed obviously increases, and nearly all enemy fighters will be slowly creeping towards your six. Easy plinking for the the twin 50s in the tail turret. Head on attacks are also a lot of fun. I usually disengage autopilot and have the whole formation open up with the fixed forward firing guns. Just looking for a shot to splash oil all over the canopy of the enemy fighter. That's enough to spoil his aim and sometimes discourages him from trying to reengage.
I remember one time I dropped all my ords then went fighter trolling in a B-26. Just my luck someone was trying to rope a fighter just as I was approaching them. I went into the pilot position and started climbing the formation and picked the red guy off with the forward firing guns. You should have heard the "woop woops" when they saw a bomber pick a con off a friendly.
It only happened that one time, but I still giggle like a little girl when I think about it :x
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I remember one time I dropped all my ords then went fighter trolling in a B-26. Just my luck someone was trying to rope a fighter just as I was approaching them. I went into the pilot position and started climbing the formation and picked the red guy off with the forward firing guns. You should have heard the "woop woops" when they saw a bomber pick a con off a friendly.
It only happened that one time, but I still giggle like a little girl when I think about it :x
I remember when having the fighter hangars down meant upping B-26s to use as fighters as the last ditch field defense. I scored a few fighter kills that way.
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They are modeled the same.
At same speed altitude and firing direction the bullets from the same guns have the same maximum travel distance.
For example, use the .target command offline for a quick test. A B-17 at 1k flying 239 mph shooting straight forward will have it's guns register hits at 1080 yards, but not at 1100 yards anymore. If you do the same at about the same speed in a P-51, you will find the same result.
Did you test it also shooting backwards?
If the travel distance is absolute, i.e. measured relative to the ground, then a bomber firing backwards will reach farther back than the plane after it that is shooting forwards.
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And that's all I have to say about that.
This.
Once the "new" wears off of the planes it'll be back to B17's B24's and B29's.
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This.
Once the "new" wears off of the planes it'll be back to B17's B24's and B29's.
The Lancaster has been the #1 bomber in AH for many years. Odd that you left it out.
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Did you test it also shooting backwards?
If the travel distance is absolute, i.e. measured relative to the ground, then a bomber firing backwards will reach farther back than the plane after it that is shooting forwards.
That's what I was saying ;)