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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Karnak on January 25, 2014, 12:43:21 PM
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Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899)
MSI Z87M GAMING LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130737)
Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model TLAD38G2400HC11DC01 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313399)
Crucial M500 240GB SATA 2.5" 7mm (with 9.5mm adapter) Internal Solid State Drive CT240M500SSD1 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148694)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099)
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992)
SilverStone Temjin Series TJ08B-E Black Aluminum front panel, steel body MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163182)
As I am trying to do this on a budget I would be retaining my existing graphics card, SATA bulk storage drive and power supply. My video card is 1gb AMD and only a year and a half old.
I run games at 2560x1440.
Any comments?
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Check the dimensions on the MicroATX case and video card to make sure it will fit. :uhoh
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Check the dimensions on the MicroATX case and video card to make sure it will fit. :uhoh
The reviews claim that large video cards fit with no issue and that it has good cooling airflow.
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you can get a full size case and mother board for the same price you are paying for the micro. you are really limiting yourself with a micro box and mobo.
semp
edit:
case 60 bucks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
mobo 130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130726
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you can get a full size case and mother board for the same price you are paying for the micro. you are really limiting yourself with a micro box and mobo.
semp
I don't want full sized. I have a full tower right now. I am trying to see if I can go even smaller, to micro ITX.
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My video card is 1gb AMD and only a year and a half old.
This info is about useless as long as you dont give us any more detailed information.
The rest of the pack looks quite fine and balanced. I would build something simmilar for myself.
MicroATX mobos are fine, as long as a single mid-range card can run anything in fullHD+ easily, so crossfire/SLI is not really necessery.
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I don't want full sized. I have a full tower right now. I am trying to see if I can go even smaller, to micro ITX.
may i ask why? with micro cases the big problem is cooling. smaller is not necessarily better.
semp
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This info is about useless as long as you dont give us any more detailed information.
The video card would be the first thing I upgrade, but as it has 1gb of memory, it'll serve in the short term. I am at work and can't be more specific about what it is. I didn't buy it, a friend gave it to me. He said it cost ~$300 in 2012.
The rest of the pack looks quite fine and balanced. I would build something simmilar for myself.
MicroATX mobos are fine, as long as a single mid-range card can run anything in fullHD+ easily, so crossfire/SLI is not really necessery.
Agreed.
may i ask why? with micro cases the big problem is cooling. smaller is not necessarily better.
I am trying to reduce clutter and a small box for my gaming purposes would help with that. The full 50lb tower I've been using for the last 15+ years is ready for retirement. I no longer feel the need to put a four drive, RAID 5 SCSI setup in my system. A single 2.5" SSD will do that, and do it better, while taking a fraction of the space and producing almost no heat and literally no noise.
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The video card would be the first thing I upgrade, but as it has 1gb of memory, it'll serve in the short term. I am at work and can't be more specific about what it is. I didn't buy it, a friend gave it to me. He said it cost ~$300 in 2012.
The amount of memory in the card means nothing by itself. You can have a 30 dollar totally useless card with 1Gb of DDR2 memory. It's really funny how people think that the amount of built in ram their videocard has actually tells something about its performance. Maybe that is why some card manufacturers build 3Gb special versions of their budget entry level cards, someone gets a 'good deal' on a 3Gb graphics card :D
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The amount of memory in the card means nothing by itself. You can have a 30 dollar totally useless card with 1Gb of DDR2 memory. It's really funny how people think that the amount of built in ram their videocard has actually tells something about its performance. Maybe that is why some card manufacturers build 3Gb special versions of their budget entry level cards, someone gets a 'good deal' on a 3Gb graphics card :D
I assure you it is not a useless card. AMD 59xx of some kind. As I said, it was $300.00 card in 2012. My not being able to be specific is not due to being unsure of where it stands performance wise, but rather because I didn't research and buy it. The 1gb was only mentioned because I recalled it, not to indicate that 1gb means it is good.
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I assure you it is not a useless card. AMD 59xx of some kind. As I said, it was $300.00 card in 2012. My not being able to be specific is not due to being unsure of where it stands performance wise, but rather because I didn't research and buy it. The 1gb was only mentioned because I recalled it, not to indicate that 1gb means it is good.
All the 59xx series cards that I know of and what search found were all minimum 2Gb cards. The 5970 was a dual gpu high-end card from 2009. So perhaps you should check the model.
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All the 59xx series cards that I know of and what search found were all minimum 2Gb cards. The 5970 was a dual gpu high-end card from 2009. So perhaps you should check the model.
Kinda not relevant to my question in my OP though. I know the video card needs to be upgraded, but given that it is sitting in a eight and a half year old PC and I am on a budget it makes much more sense for me to replace the base CPU/memory/drive array and then replace the video card once I can afford to do so.
My imprecise memory as to what the card actually is doesn't change any of that. It remains the most modern part of my existing computer.
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According to Tomshardware the smaller 128 and 256Gb M500 models are not recommended for their slowness so you should either get a larger capacity model or a Samsung Evo for example.
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According to Tomshardware the smaller 128 and 256Gb M500 models are not recommended for their slowness so you should either get a larger capacity model or a Samsung Evo for example.
Ah. Thanks for that tip.
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Kinda not relevant to my question in my OP though. I know the video card needs to be upgraded,...
The 5970 is still quite powerful, about like if you had 7790s SLI-ed, or you had a single 7950. "Upgrading" to a newer mid range model (~250$, R9-280, GTX760) wont necesserily give you a very noticable performance gain, but you might get something simmilar with a lot less consumption.
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Karnak,
I didnt see a PSU included in this build,does the case come with it's own PSU?
I'd make sure you have a quality PSU,I went through about 3 or 4 antec PSU's back afew years ago and ever since then it's the first thing I look at for any computer I want.
Of course you sort of need to know the power requirements,but that is easy enough to figure out.
:salute
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For the record, I have a Radeon HD 6900 series video card with 2gb of DDR5 memory.
Here is how Blizzard's beta profile reports my system:
Operating System:
Windows 2.5.1.2600 (Service Pack 3)
CPU Type:
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400
CPU Speed:
2.23 GHz
System Memory:
2.15 GB
Video Card Model:
AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series
Video Card Memory:
2.27 GB
Video Card Driver:
ati2dvag.dll
Desktop Resolution:
2560x1440
Hard Disk Size:
320.07 GB
Hard Disk Free Space:
152.02 GB (47%)
Download Speed:
712.1 kB/s (5.7 mbps)
morfied,
I was planning on pulling the 650 watt PSU from my existing computer and using it in the new one.
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From what we talked about, you're in ship shape Karnak. :cheers:
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For the record, I have a Radeon HD 6900 series video card with 2gb of DDR5 memory.
That is still a good card, R9-270/gtx660ti level.
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if that card is anything like my 6950 it's going to be too long for that mobo...newegg specs say the mobo is 9.6 x 9.6 inches and the video card is 11.5 inches long.
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if that card is anything like my 6950 it's going to be too long for that mobo...newegg specs say the mobo is 9.6 x 9.6 inches and the video card is 11.5 inches long.
MoBo has no bearing on card length. The case is what determines that.
Have you even built a system?
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MoBo has no bearing on card length. The case is what determines that.
Have you even built a system?
think he was refering to the fact that micro cases barely fit the mobo so the vc might not fight.
I still think the op is making a mistake on going micro, but it's his built his decision.
semp
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think he was refering to the fact that micro cases barely fit the mobo so the vc might not fight.
I still think the op is making a mistake on going micro, but it's his built his decision.
semp
I am the OP.
You get literally nothing out of going for a larger system unless you want to put a lot more in it than I am going to.
As far as the case goes, yes, of course you need to make sure the case can fit the card. I have decided to go for a miniITX system. The case I will get fits full length video cards, up to 290mm in length.
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Im writing from a micro system with a ~30cm vga in it. Had to choose a case what had no drive racks in the lower section, to give enough space for that huge card. It works, no cooling problems.
One note: the Hyper212 is large, 16cm high. Make sure that your case is wide enough for that coolant.
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Except if you live in a Japanese apartment I don't see the point of going to micro. You will pay for the size you win in Fan speeds and noise, not to mention the future upgrades that can turn into a headache. Its not my conception of rock solid in any case (no pun intended).
Micro ATX Mb's have usually less connectors, controllers...make sure there is room for an extra PCI express 1x card, for like a dedicated sound card....
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Except if you live in a Japanese apartment I don't see the point of going to micro. You will pay for the size you win in Fan speeds and noise, not to mention the future upgrades that can turn into a headache. Its not my conception of rock solid in any case (no pun intended).
When I built my wife's work computer, I went micro ATX put into a standard ATX spec "mini tower" because it was the least expensive "quality" mobo that had all the features I wanted. It had the right video, audio, network, etc. options that I required, but was $30 cheaper than the equivalent full ATX mobo. The micro ATX board has one full speed PCI-E slot for vid card, and 2 other slots for any potential necessary upgrades, has 6 SATA slots, 1 floppy, 1 IDE, and all the usual other onboard connectors. It's almost as full featured as any other normal ATX board including all back panel connectors, but at a much smaller size and lower price. It fit all my components without any problem and although the onboard connectors are closer together and therefore a bit harder to work with, the mini tower case is big enough for a full ATX mobo so installing it was actually very easy.
So there are lots of reasons to go micro ATX even when not trying to cram it into a tiny case. In my situation, I could have put almost any normal mobo into the new computer case and I chose a micro ATX mobo because it had 100% of my required features at a lower price than an equivalent quality full ATX mobo.
Plus... Sometimes people need business-class TPM modules on their mobos, and I've found these to be much more common on micro ATX boards. I didn't need TPM but if I had, it would have been easier/cheaper to get it on a micro ATX mobo.
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Except if you live in a Japanese apartment I don't see the point of going to micro. You will pay for the size you win in Fan speeds and noise, not to mention the future upgrades that can turn into a headache. Its not my conception of rock solid in any case (no pun intended).
Micro ATX Mb's have usually less connectors, controllers...make sure there is room for an extra PCI express 1x card, for like a dedicated sound card....
The only upgrade I have done to my current system in the more than eight years I've owned it has been to replace the video card about once year or two. The use I get out of my full tower now is that it houses my RAID cage, four 10,000rpm SCSI drives and a SCSI RAID controller. All of that will be replaced by a single SATA 2.5" SSD. I find on board audio to be sufficient for my needs.
I plan on putting a miniITX into this case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139033
It has a 140mm fan on front, two 120mm fans in the back and room for a full sized 290mm GPU.
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I plan on putting a miniITX into this case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139033
It has a 140mm fan on front, two 120mm fans in the back and room for a full sized 290mm GPU.
I read some great reviews about that case. It's too wide for where I put my computer under my desk, but its a nifty case for sure. They sized it pretty well to allow for some very nice gaming installation options including water cooling. One of the corsair i60, i70, i80, or i90 all in one water coolers would go great in that case making it run super cool and very quiet. The 240mm water cooling options didn't seem quite as useful IMHO, but they can be done if the radiator and fans are thin enough. One of the more custom video cards that use multiple larger/quieter fans instead of the typical reference card cooling would go great in that case, using the custom vid card cooling to keep it quiet instead of overclocking like you usually see done with the custom coolers. You could build a screaming fast system in that case that makes very little noise.
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nice little case, I'd make a PC for the TV with that
from what I understand going water cooling is just displacing the cooling problem, there still is a need for fans and heat exchange so except if you move the fans to a different room they will still be heard. I personally sport a Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-oDOxj-R3loI/Urw8FapQJkI/AAAAAAAAJ0s/KpGc6C8dmjk/w1060-h596-no/DSC_0213.JPG)
video card changed since then, and added a hard drive
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MoBo has no bearing on card length. The case is what determines that.
Have you even built a system?
in this case it does, how many systems have you actually built? take a very close look at the location and height of the sata connectors in relation to pci-e slot 1.
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in this case it does, how many systems have you actually built? take a very close look at the location and height of the sata connectors in relation to pci-e slot 1.
I've built 10 to 15 systems.
There is no conflict with the SATA. They are mounted on their side for a reason.
However, this is the one I am looking at now:
MSI Z87I GAMING AC LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130742)
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those sata connectors appear to be stacked and looking at the height in relation to the pci-e slots and the chipset shroud, if your video card has a fan shroud on it...won't clear.
that mini-itx board wouldn't have any architecture issues in regard to the video card. clearance for the hyper-212 cpu cooler would be the only real concern.