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Title: One Choice
Post by: BreakingBad on January 31, 2014, 06:10:56 PM
I had a bartender ask me this question the other day when making small talk.

Suppose you had an incurable disease with only one month to live.  Or, you could opt to be put in a cryogenic freeze for 100 years, and at the end of the 100 years there would be a cure.  (Bear with me)

Would you choose the 1 month, or 100 years into the future with presumably the rest of your expected life span?    :bolt:
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: BluBerry on January 31, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
1 month.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: whiteman on January 31, 2014, 06:50:53 PM
35, i'll take the month
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: pembquist on January 31, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
Deep freeze, its a time machine, make it 500 years though.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: pipz on January 31, 2014, 07:39:09 PM
I'd wait an extra 400 years for good measure.  :aok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8kFHCXiEg&list=PLAFBD9B0D98049FFD
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Karnak on January 31, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
The flaw with the whole cryogenic stuff is this:  Why would the people of the future revive you?  Oh, sure if there are only a few such frozen people I can see the historical curiosity motivating it, but if they are not that rare you had better be somebody that has an interesting historical perspective or significance or they are going to either leave you as a popsicle or just turn the machine off and bury/cremate you.  Why add someone who is hopelessly out of date to the population?  That is just asking for the person to be a net drain for the rest of their lives.

For those of you asking for 500 years, imagine if we had tens of thousands of cryogenically preserved people from 1514 that would could revive and cure of their generally curable ailments?  We're talking about people who were put into cryogenic suspension during the reign of Henry VIII, and early in it.  They don't even know of the Protestant Reformation, let alone the massive changes to human perspective and knowledge in the last 100-200 years.  Why would we revive more than a handful of these people?  They have no connection to our time or to anybody in our time.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Meatwad on January 31, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
1 month i dont want to learn the three seashells thing
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Rogue9Volt on January 31, 2014, 08:12:31 PM
I think I would pick one month..  Death is the greatest adventure.  Besides, who's to say I won't be born into another life time?  Or even if there's a God he may let me travel around time and look at stuff.  Might be cool. 
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Oldman731 on January 31, 2014, 08:31:03 PM
Deep freeze, its a time machine, make it 500 years though.


I am with you.  Although there is this to consider:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c

- oldman
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: GScholz on January 31, 2014, 08:34:57 PM
1 month i dont want to learn the three seashells thing

 :lol

Just swear a lot.


I'd take the cryo-tube please. One month give or take isn't really useful in my life at the moment.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Dichotomy on January 31, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
Tough choice.  If I could take Julie with me I'd go into the freeze if not I'd embrace the croak
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: GScholz on January 31, 2014, 08:40:37 PM
The flaw with the whole cryogenic stuff is this:  Why would the people of the future revive you?  Oh, sure if there are only a few such frozen people I can see the historical curiosity motivating it, but if they are not that rare you had better be somebody that has an interesting historical perspective or significance or they are going to either leave you as a popsicle or just turn the machine off and bury/cremate you.  Why add someone who is hopelessly out of date to the population?  That is just asking for the person to be a net drain for the rest of their lives.

For those of you asking for 500 years, imagine if we had tens of thousands of cryogenically preserved people from 1514 that would could revive and cure of their generally curable ailments?  We're talking about people who were put into cryogenic suspension during the reign of Henry VIII, and early in it.  They don't even know of the Protestant Reformation, let alone the massive changes to human perspective and knowledge in the last 100-200 years.  Why would we revive more than a handful of these people?  They have no connection to our time or to anybody in our time.

How's that different from immigration from the third world today?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kDPU7yiD4dI/T0dIDz7e92I/AAAAAAAAFqk/tG9pyJTlLeU/s1600/Father.jpg)


They're people... Regardless of sophistication.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Oldman731 on January 31, 2014, 11:53:17 PM
Why would we revive more than a handful of these people?  They have no connection to our time or to anybody in our time.

And you call yourself a historian.  Shame.

If nothing else, Karnak, we could teach them to fly bomber formations in AH2 and pad our scores.

- oldman
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Karnak on February 01, 2014, 12:05:29 AM
How's that different from immigration from the third world today?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kDPU7yiD4dI/T0dIDz7e92I/AAAAAAAAFqk/tG9pyJTlLeU/s1600/Father.jpg)


They're people... Regardless of sophistication.
The vast majority of immigrants from third world nations come from their middle or upper classes, many (most?) being more educated than the average American.  Almost none come from subsistence farming backgrounds, let alone hunter-gatherer backgrounds.  Your chosen image is highly misleading.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: GScholz on February 01, 2014, 01:14:31 AM
That may be true in your part of the world. They are people, regardless of sophistication.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: guncrasher on February 01, 2014, 01:30:05 AM
I would think about if for 29 days and get frozen on the 30th.  why not take advantage of both.


semp
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: guncrasher on February 01, 2014, 01:31:07 AM
The flaw with the whole cryogenic stuff is this:  Why would the people of the future revive you?  Oh, sure if there are only a few such frozen people I can see the historical curiosity motivating it, but if they are not that rare you had better be somebody that has an interesting historical perspective or significance or they are going to either leave you as a popsicle or just turn the machine off and bury/cremate you.  Why add someone who is hopelessly out of date to the population?  That is just asking for the person to be a net drain for the rest of their lives.

For those of you asking for 500 years, imagine if we had tens of thousands of cryogenically preserved people from 1514 that would could revive and cure of their generally curable ailments?  We're talking about people who were put into cryogenic suspension during the reign of Henry VIII, and early in it.  They don't even know of the Protestant Reformation, let alone the massive changes to human perspective and knowledge in the last 100-200 years.  Why would we revive more than a handful of these people?  They have no connection to our time or to anybody in our time.

some of them girls would be hot?


semp
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: Bizman on February 01, 2014, 04:19:54 AM
I've read a couple of novels about the subject, neither of which has been translated. One was about a man accidentally frozen in an iceberg a few hundred years ago and his efforts to adapt to modern society. A sad story... The other one was about a scientist who was frozen in hope to get him cured in the future. He was the only survivor of those preserved: The freezing company had bankrupted and got unplugged from the mains after only a few decades. I suppose the latter would be the most probable scenario considering a time lapse of one or several hundred years.

There are many examples of people getting the said month to live. Yet many of them have lived long past their presumed dying day, some even for several years. For example the husband of my former colleague got a bad case of cancer and only months to live. He made a deal with his then teenage four daughters: He'd stay alive if the girls did their school well enough to prove they'd grow to self-reliant citizens. He hung along for six years, seeing his offspring graduate and get jobs.

I've also heard about a guy who got a whole year. He started doing things he had planned to do someday and when he felt that his end was nearing, causing him to become a vegetable at a fast accelerating pace, he arranged his own funeral party. A participant told me that the atmosphere was quite stiff at the start with the to-be deceased sitting there still going strong. After awhile the party got relaxed, folks memorizing how nice a guy he had been etc. I suppose the late would appreciate all the nice speeches much more during their last moments than six feet under...
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: HPriller on February 01, 2014, 05:54:31 AM
The whole cryogenic freeze nonsense is just another contrived grasp for the fountain of youth that gets overused in scifi.  It doesn't work, and pretty much can't possibly work.  We're not even remotely close technologically to pulling it off.  And, as previously stated, even if it could work, there's no guarantee anyone would care enough to spend the resources to revive and cure someone.  If I had some incurable disease that would kill me off soon, I'd pull a Heisenberg and cook a monster batch of crystal meth in my bathtub, surely hilarity would result.
Title: Re: One Choice
Post by: BreakingBad on February 01, 2014, 10:04:37 AM
^^  Thankfully we have some here who will set us all straight.