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General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: Latrobe on February 02, 2014, 05:34:30 AM
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Here's the third video of my Walkthrough series where I talk you through one of my fights. This one is a little different than the other 2 as I try to explain just how quickly you have to make decisions in a dogfight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vngMd2XCU
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Well done trobe, that's the best 109F flying I've seen in a long time.
:salute
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Here's the third video of my Walkthrough series where I talk you through one of my fights. This one is a little different than the other 2 as I try to explain just how quickly you have to make decisions in a dogfight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vngMd2XCU
Very nice video and flying! It is amazing at the thought process that is going on during a dogfight, and this really highlights it well. Also great showing a review of your ACM's and what (almost) went wrong & why! :aok
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Good fighting! I like the constant climbing of the ladder for altitude.
What alt was the very first pass made? What alt was the very lost shot and egress?
boo
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Wonderful. Maybe now my opponent wont slam me into the ground as often. :)
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Good fighting! I like the constant climbing of the ladder for altitude.
What alt was the very first pass made? What alt was the very lost shot and egress?
boo
That's actually a rather interesting point. First contact was at 5.5K. First merge when the first 190 turned in for me was at 8.8K. Last kill was at 10.4K and I leveled and egressed at 9.4K.
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Very cool, Latrobe. :aok
Sometimes you make me want to quit because I can't imagine my mind ever getting to the point where it works that way in a fight... :uhoh
Hopefully experience really does help!
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Very cool, Latrobe. :aok
Sometimes you make me want to quit because I can't imagine my mind ever getting to the point where it works that way in a fight... :uhoh
Hopefully experience really does help!
Time and experience is all it takes! There are people who are very calculative when they fight. They can see what is going to happen 5 or 6 moves ahead of time and fly accordingly... not me! I honestly don't know the first thing about how to fly like that. I pretty much just zone out when I'm fighting and just react on instinct to whatever happens in real time. 8 years of fighting absolutely everything and learning what works and what doesn't in those situations has allowed me to get away with flying like that. Most the time when the fight is over I haven't a clue what I just did to win. :D
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Time and experience is all it takes! There are people who are very calculative when they fight. They can see what is going to happen 5 or 6 moves ahead of time and fly accordingly... not me! I honestly don't know the first thing about how to fly like that. I pretty much just zone out when I'm fighting and just react on instinct to whatever happens in real time. 8 years of fighting absolutely everything and learning what works and what doesn't in those situations has allowed me to get away with flying like that. Most the time when the fight is over I haven't a clue what I just did to win. :D
Whew! :rolleyes:
There's hope!
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Great film Latrobe! :aok
I still have a long way to go before getting my processing down like you do, even after 6-7 years in this game. I am making progress, but I don't think I am nowhere near being able to sort out a pack like that without making a half ton of bad moves on the way.. :rolleyes:
Good thing we have guys like you then, who have the skills and are willing to share the secrets so the rest of us can learn from. :aok :salute
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Nice work! :aok
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+1 good video latrope... i hope you get your wish for flying country less ...
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That was a supreb piece of flying and SA, you made one glaring error when you said the Pony driver was good! I thought I had you with the deflection shot and was glad I hit you at all. Then you simply gave me a proper schooling :cry :salute
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:salute well done
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Great vid
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This is possibly the best video on SA and the importance of threat assessment in a multi-con fight that I've seen. I think you should post it to the Training Forum.
One of the most important points you make (other than always maneuvering based on the biggest threat) that could be elaborated on is how you maneuver to "group cons" together so you are not sandwiched between them BEFORE you convert to offensive maneuvering. You do this several times during the engagement, especially with the Pony and 190.
Such a simple concept deserves more attention, as it provides several advantages:
1) it is easier to track the cons visually as they are grouped to one side (or quarter) of you
2) you limit their ability to coordinate attacks
3) you limit their ability to extend and gain E
4) you give yourself multiple targets to choose from and switch to in a single attack
These are all things that your patience in setting up the fight and your SA and decision making allow you to have.
Lots to be learned from this vid. Again well done!
<S>
Ryno
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I haven't a clue what I just did to win. :D
It's called on octoflugeron. That's what an old F4/F15 guy told me one day….he said sometimes you just do some ad lib "pilot stuff" to win a fight….they called it an octoflugeron.
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Fantastic video - I learned alot - just need to put it in to practice!
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An exceptional video. I have read your post in the past an use the video to reinforce the target selection process.
I had it going pretty well the other day in a F4U1A when we were attacking a base and they were there waiting. I had a shot at Del's P38 but he showed me the skinny side then escaped downward. I chose the next biggest threat a 190 and smoked him. I turned toward the next threat and just before firing POW Del smokes my butt. My question then was should I have been more aggressive on the first threat. If chased after Del, then 190 would have picked me as I saw it. If I concentrate on the biggest threat, and not the kill, I have let the chance go of reducing the numbers. Tough calls.
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An exceptional video. I have read your post in the past an use the video to reinforce the target selection process.
I had it going pretty well the other day in a F4U1A when we were attacking a base and they were there waiting. I had a shot at Del's P38 but he showed me the skinny side then escaped downward. I chose the next biggest threat a 190 and smoked him. I turned toward the next threat and just before firing POW Del smokes my butt. My question then was should I have been more aggressive on the first threat. If chased after Del, then 190 would have picked me as I saw it. If I concentrate on the biggest threat, and not the kill, I have let the chance go of reducing the numbers. Tough calls.
Hard to tell without seeing any video of it but it sounds like Del turned back in for you as you went for the 190 making him the immediate threat again. That's where SA comes in. ALWAYS be looking around, and I mean ALWAYS! Watch my video again and you'll see even as I'm making an attack run on one plane I am looking around and checking on all the other targets as well. I only focus on my target when I'm getting ready to shoot.
Practice setting an internal alarm clock. When you're flying out to the fight and over enemy territory, set the clock for 5 seconds. Look around, see if there are any enemies around to your left, right, above, below, behind, or in front of you. 5 seconds later your internal alarm should be going off saying "Hey! You should check the area again!" Look around again. Look left, right, above, below, behind and in front for targets. You'll be surprised how many times you suddenly see a plane that wasn't there a second ago.
When in a small fight (1v1, 2v1, 2v2, etc) set the alarm for 2 seconds. Every 2 seconds (max) in a fight you should be checking your 6 and looking around to see if someone else is targeting you. Try not to tunnel vision onto one target. I forget who said it but someone has it in their sig "If you think you're having a 1v1 in the MA, you're SA has failed you."
When in very large furballs, like in my video here, set the internal alarm for .5-1 second. ESPECIALLY when fighting them alone. Everything, yes... literally everything, will be targeting you. Be checking up on ALL targets at ALL TIMES!
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Now I understand why Latrobe wants to be on his own country. He will take on everyone at once and still win. Well done sir. Remind me to avoid 109F4s in the LWMA.
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Latrobe would you say, as a general rule of thumb, SA should have equal priority with the shot or should it have a bit higher priority than making the shot.
I do wish I would have filmed that sortie.
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I'd put SA slightly higher up that taking the shot. You can take the shot and get a kill, but if you don't see that other plane coming up your six then you're going to die. Keep SA up, realize the first plane is setting you up, maneuver to deal with the immediate threat on your 6, and then kill both of them once you're clear.
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I'd put SA slightly higher up that taking the shot. You can take the shot and get a kill, but if you don't see that other plane coming up your six then you're going to die. Keep SA up, realize the first plane is setting you up, maneuver to deal with the immediate threat on your 6, and then kill both of them once you're clear.
Thinking back, there is no doubt, the closer i got to shot the less my SA became. Thanks for the advice. I will work on upping the SA priority.