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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BnZs on February 10, 2014, 01:13:35 AM
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Make them spawnable from CV groups even after the CV is gone, like PT Boats. CVs seem to get deep-sixed so quickly these days, and these planes will keep the furball going a bit longer. Albeit they will be at a disadvantage versus the full hangar of planes available from a base, so sinking the CV will still make a major difference.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_A6M2-N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_A6M2-N)
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Making float planes spawnable from PT spawns would be interesting. A few MA maps (IIRC Mindanao, Baltic and Ozkanzas) have PT spawns going to adjacent fields along the coast. The ability to insta-spawn near an enemy base might encourage someone to up an A6M2-N for a laugh. It is not as though a float plane Zero would be anything more than a nuisance from an arena war POV.
Also if a coastal field's runways were capped by the enemy it might be possible to up a float plane from one of that field's PT spawns and use it to kill an inbound goon or M3. Port defence or even coastal V base defence is another scenario where it might see some use.
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Make them spawnable from CV groups even after the CV is gone, like PT Boats. CVs seem to get deep-sixed so quickly these days, and these planes will keep the furball going a bit longer. Albeit they will be at a disadvantage versus the full hangar of planes available from a base, so sinking the CV will still make a major difference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_A6M2-N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_A6M2-N)
Yes! Let's raise the Rufe up in here!
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Clever!
The Curtiss Seahawk barely made it into the war, but I expect it might also see some use in the MA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_SC_Seahawk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_SC_Seahawk)
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anything that brings diversification to the game I am for +1
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Making float planes spawnable from PT spawns would be interesting. A few MA maps (IIRC Mindanao, Baltic and Ozkanzas) have PT spawns going to adjacent fields along the coast. The ability to insta-spawn near an enemy base might encourage someone to up an A6M2-N for a laugh. It is not as though a float plane Zero would be anything more than a nuisance from an arena war POV.
Oh great. NOE float plane missions to capture undefended bases. :rolleyes:
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Making float planes spawnable from PT spawns would be interesting. A few MA maps (IIRC Mindanao, Baltic and Ozkanzas) have PT spawns going to adjacent fields along the coast. The ability to insta-spawn near an enemy base might encourage someone to up an A6M2-N for a laugh. It is not as though a float plane Zero would be anything more than a nuisance from an arena war POV.
Also if a coastal field's runways were capped by the enemy it might be possible to up a float plane from one of that field's PT spawns and use it to kill an inbound goon or M3. Port defence or even coastal V base defence is another scenario where it might see some use.
why would they up a zero. they most likely would up an la7 and ho everything in sight.
semp
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Oh great. NOE float plane missions to capture undefended bases. :rolleyes:
This.
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If a mission consisting of A6M2-Ns each with two 132 lb bombs and a short clip of low-MV 20mm can take a base good luck to them. Any base can be defended from this by a few GVs or ack gunners. A defending flakpanzer or a fast fighter would probably make short work of the lot of them.
If the runways are covered at a base then upping an La-7 there or from a nearby field may well be a better strategy but so what? This just gives an alternative strategy, variety is the spice of life.
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Oh great. NOE float plane missions to capture undefended bases. :rolleyes:
they could just taxi on the water all the way there.. :rofl
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If a mission consisting of A6M2-Ns each with two 132 lb bombs and a short clip of low-MV 20mm can take a base good luck to them. Any base can be defended from this by a few GVs or ack gunners. A defending flakpanzer or a fast fighter would probably make short work of the lot of them.
If the runways are covered at a base then upping an La-7 there or from a nearby field may well be a better strategy but so what? This just gives an alternative strategy, variety is the spice of life.
Presumably if we got one seaplane eventally we'd get others.
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I've just been reading about float planes. It would be an interesting addition to the game if they came with a good mix of ords (and possibly sups/troops) AND if you could use the PT spawns. On some maps it would really mix things up.
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+1
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Presumably if we got one seaplane eventally we'd get others.
The most effective seaplane fighter we could get would be the N1K1 Kyufu "Rex", and it is a pale shadow of its latter development that we already have, the N1K2-J.
Flying boat bombers could be modestly effective as all three of the most commonly request flying boat bombers, the PBY-5A, H8K2 and Sunderland, have useable bomb loads. In an attack mission of nothing but sea planes and flying boats the N1K1s escorting H8K2s would likely be the most potent it could be and that is much less potent than a land or CV based attack.
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The Germans had one too.
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The Germans had one too.
which one? the ar-196a-5 would be interesting...2 20mm cannons in the wings, 1 7.9mm on the fuselage and 1 7.9mm in the observer seat. very slow.
then there was the he-115b-1, not a big bomb load or guns...but it could carry a torpedo and mines.
or the bv 138c-1, decent weapons, carried bombs, depth charges or mines.
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The ar-196 was the one I was thinking of. Thanks for mentioning the other, looking it up now.
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The Germans had one too.
Yes they did, but they are usually only requested by the "I won't fly anything that isn't German." guys as they are significantly less capable than the three I mentioned. I think I've seen more requests for the H6K 'Mavis' than I have seen for all German flying boats combined.
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The most effective seaplane fighter we could get would be the N1K1 Kyufu "Rex", and it is a pale shadow of its latter development that we already have, the N1K2-J.
Flying boat bombers could be modestly effective as all three of the most commonly request flying boat bombers, the PBY-5A, H8K2 and Sunderland, have useable bomb loads. In an attack mission of nothing but sea planes and flying boats the N1K1s escorting H8K2s would likely be the most potent it could be and that is much less potent than a land or CV based attack.
I would think the Rufe would be just as effective as the N1K1 was.
ack-ack
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Yes they did, but they are usually only requested by the "I won't fly anything that isn't German." guys as they are significantly less capable than the three I mentioned. I think I've seen more requests for the H6K 'Mavis' than I have seen for all German flying boats combined.
what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? fortunately they all have the capability of flight and carrying some sort of ordnance, which are the important aspects.
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I would think the Rufe would be just as effective as the N1K1 was.
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Doubt it. The Rex is much faster, better armed and has a more powerful engine.
what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? fortunately they all have the capability of flight and carrying some sort of ordnance, which are the important aspects.
Saying "The Germans had one too." implies that I either forgot or was unaware of that fact. As I stated, I was only including the three most requested flying boats and the German flying boats fail to make that short list.
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+ 1
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Doubt it. The Rex is much faster, better armed and has a more powerful engine.
Saying "The Germans had one too." implies that I either forgot or was unaware of that fact. As I stated, I was only including the three most requested flying boats and the German flying boats fail to make that short list.
I wasn't "implying" that you know, or do not know anything, just contributing to the post.
I like the ar-196 because of its insectesque looks, not because its German.
Are you "implying" that I only fly German planes?
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The bv 138c-1 is a neat looking bird too. Its like a ford trimotor, a p-38 and a dingy had a baby.
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Doubt it. The Rex is much faster, better armed and has a more powerful engine.
Saying "The Germans had one too." implies that I either forgot or was unaware of that fact. As I stated, I was only including the three most requested flying boats and the German flying boats fail to make that short list.
True, but if you're going to be slower than everything (and a floatplane likely is) you best be able to turn, turn, turn. And the land already N1K seems a notch easier to outmaneuver than Spits, Brewsters, Hurris, or especially Zeros.
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True, but if you're going to be slower than everything (and a floatplane likely is) you best be able to turn, turn, turn. And the land already N1K seems a notch easier to outmaneuver than Spits, Brewsters, Hurris, or especially Zeros.
If it's like the Rufe, I would imagine the performance is degraded quite a bit. For example, the A6M2-N performance was downgraded by 20%. I wonder if the N1K1 suffered the same.
ack-ack
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IIRC, N1K1's top speed was 313mph. Not sure about climb rates.
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The most effective seaplane fighter we could get would be the N1K1 Kyufu "Rex", and it is a pale shadow of its latter development that we already have, the N1K2-J.
Flying boat bombers could be modestly effective as all three of the most commonly request flying boat bombers, the PBY-5A, H8K2 and Sunderland, have useable bomb loads. In an attack mission of nothing but sea planes and flying boats the N1K1s escorting H8K2s would likely be the most potent it could be and that is much less potent than a land or CV based attack.
It doesn't matter how potent a seaplane attack is if they only have to fly 5 miles NOE from a nearby PT boat spawn against an undefended base. Surprise alone can be very potent. Add proximity and this type of attack could be unstoppable.
I'm not against seaplanes but I don't like the idea of using PT spawns.
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they could just taxi on the water all the way there.. :rofl
:rofl I was thinking the same thing. I think these planes would make a neat addition. I mean come on guys, they added the Storch....
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I kinda like the looks of the He 115. Would be nice to see along side of an H8K, and an A6M2-N.
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It doesn't matter how potent a seaplane attack is if they only have to fly 5 miles NOE from a nearby PT boat spawn against an undefended base. Surprise alone can be very potent. Add proximity and this type of attack could be unstoppable.
I'm not against seaplanes but I don't like the idea of using PT spawns.
Eh, I've always thought we oughtta make the DAR go all the way to the ground to end this NOE silly-nannery anyway. 200 feet AGL? In reality that may put 'em below radar, but every damn private in the enemy army and every damn farmer in enemy territory would have been reporting the unmistakable sight of your dozen fat attack airplanes skimming the tree tops.
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I'd rather not see NOE disappear completely. I really like the immersion of flying at tree-top height in a 190F to avoid radar.
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I'd rather not see NOE disappear completely. I really like the immersion of flying at tree-top height in a 190F to avoid radar.
Fly in a 190F at treetop level to maximize the speed of the assault instead.
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Eh, I've always thought we oughtta make the DAR go all the way to the ground to end this NOE silly-nannery anyway. 200 feet AGL? In reality that may put 'em below radar, but every damn private in the enemy army and every damn farmer in enemy territory would have been reporting the unmistakable sight of your dozen fat attack airplanes skimming the tree tops.
First of all the current dar bar alt in game is 65 feet.
Second, I'm in a one man squad, don't join missions, don't join hordes, have only two or three times flown an NOE mission in 18 years and only a handful of times have been with a dozen "fat" attack airplanes.
Before you open your fat trap and denigrate someone it would be to your advantage to know even the slightest little bit about how they play.
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Fly in a 190F at treetop level to maximize the speed of the assault instead.
But it doesn't.
Besides, the most likely result of no NOE is an increase of bish-style hanger dropping, which is inherently a bad thing.
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I'm not against seaplanes but I don't like the idea of using PT spawns.
I agree that float planes and flying boats should not be able to use PT Boat spawn points.
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First of all the current dar bar alt in game is 65 feet.
Second, I'm in a one man squad, don't join missions, don't join hordes, have only two or three times flown an NOE mission in 18 years and only a handful of times have been with a dozen "fat" attack airplanes.
Before you open your fat trap and denigrate someone it would be to your advantage to know even the slightest little bit about how they play.
It was an impersonal "you" Bald. You were concerned about NOE missions, I basically agree with you.