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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tank-Ace on February 11, 2014, 04:57:30 PM
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I know HTC is still working hard on the graphics engine update. But after that's done, I would like to request that HTC give some attention to the German bombers, as they could do with some loving.
The Ju-88 could do with an update, and along with that, I think it would be nice to see a Ju-188 added, given that it reuses much of the Ju-88 graphics.
From what I can find, the A model would be the best for AH, being the fastest at 320mph @ 20k (I would estimate about 270mph clean on the deck on the deck). If modeled as a late 1943 variant, which would be more realistic for when production of the Jumo-powered A model began to pick up, it would also have MW-50 injection for takeoff, allowing the engines to each generate 2,241 hp for takeoff. Same loadout as the Ju-88, as far as I can find. The big difference would be its speed, and its defensive armament, consisting of 1 20mm cannon, and 3 13mm MG's.
There seems to be some conflicting layout of the guns. Most text sources state the 20mm was in the nose, with 1 13mm machine gun in a rotating top turret, 1 13mm machine gun in a dorsal mount, similar to the mounts on the current Ju-88, and 1 13mm machine gun in a ventral position. However, I'm seeing photographs with what appear to be a 20mm cannon in both the nose and dorsal mounts.
A D-1 variant existed, being the same as the A-1, but with bomb aimer and nose cannon removed, and extra fuel being carried. This could be represented as a loadout option.
I would also like to see the Do 217M added for MA usage, despite a more limited use in special events. The Do 217M-1 appears to have been the fastest variant, powered by a pair of DB 603 engines, as used on the 410. It could carry 3000kg (6,600lbs) internally, and up to 4000kg (8,800lbs) in a combination of internal and external stores. The Do-217M-1 was capable of 342mph at altitude and about 290mph at sea level with a clean configuration, from what I can find.
Defensive armament would consist of 1 7.92mm MG 81Z (as in the 110G) in the nose, a pair of single-mount MG 81's in lateral positions (firing from the side of the crew compartment, as opposed to a true waist gunner position, as on the B-17 and B-24), a single 13mm Mg 131 in a rotating top turret, and a single Mg 131 in a ventral position.
Both would be solid MA contenders, offering different combinations of speed, firepower, and bombload from what we have now. The Do 217 might make a pretty fair competitor for the current heavy bombers, being faster and harder to intercept, as well as carrying a decently heavy bomb load, and reasonable if not outstanding defensive firepower to the rear quarter.
Climb and maneuverability would be relatively poor, but it would be fast (pretty much tied for 4th fastest bomber in the game with the Tu-2, and again tied for the fastest free bomber, but carrying the Tu-2's maximum load internally, or an extra 2,200lbs in both internal and external stores), and its bomb load would be more usefully distributed in a greater number of 250kg or 500kg bombs, similar to the B-17's 500 or 1000lb bombs.
The Ju-188 would be more limited in its bomb load, only carrying 2,200lbs internally in the light 50kg bombs, and larger external mountings. While better defended, better climbing, and more maneuverable, it would sacrifice speed, and carry its bomb load in a less useful configuration. While it wouldn't be anything of a "slouch" in AH terms, it would simply be more constrained by the distribution of its bomb load into several large external stores.
Some effects might be either reduced efficiency when attacking hangers with the salvo of 2 500kg (1000lb) bombs, or the chance of the hanger not being destroyed with a salvo of 1, due to drone offset and wind putting the bombs just slight off target. Attacking towns would also be less efficient, due to only the central block of buildings warranting the the 500kg bombs.
However, it would be a solid choice for attacking a CV,
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Either would be nice. Something between the 1940/41 He111 and Ju88 and 1945 Ar234.
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A fair request. Ju88 variants/derivatives, and the 217 is something I can support as the next bomber.
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:aok
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Will it dive in formation at 525mph, and at the same time shoot from all its turrets, like the B17 in AH ?
Irony aside, a mid-late war axis bomber would be nice.
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The 188 would be a great addition. It was active from Stalingrad, winter of '42/'43 onward.
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Will it dive in formation at 525mph, and at the same time shoot from all its turrets, like the B17 in AH ?
Irony aside, a mid-late war axis bomber would be nice.
Probably not. While attempts were made with dive bombing, I believe they didn't end so well.
The 188 would be a great addition. It was active from Stalingrad, winter of '42/'43 onward.
Helped form the backbone of the German bomber force, alongside later iterations of the Ju 88, and later the rather unsuccessful He 177.
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The 188 would be a great addition. It was active from Stalingrad, winter of '42/'43 onward.
The Ju 188 was available from Summer 43. The variants with Jumo 213 appeared in 43/44. Never heard of MW-50 in Ju 188A/D.
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The Ju 188 was available from Summer 43. The variants with Jumo 213 appeared in 43/44. Never heard of MW-50 in Ju 188A/D.
Perhaps I misinterpreted it. Its possible that it was talking about the engine in general, as opposed to specifically when mounted on the Ju 188 airframe.
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MW-50 usage with the Jumo 213 was developed for Ta 152H and Fw 190D and first appeared in late 44. AFAIR output was 2100PS, 2240PS was only possible with a special supercharger that didn't made it into production (Jumo 213AG).
AFAIR they had some experimental machines with both manifold pressure kit and a MW-50 system which may have resulted in 2240PS as well if (and that's a big if) they could use both systems simultaneously.
I won't rule out they had tested Jumo 213s with GM-1 system.
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hi
i realy for an updatetd ju88 with more load out option, everyone knews, and of cores a ju188 would be awesome. i hope we will get one some day.
by the way a late war He111 with the option to fire v1 rokets would be awesome too, the aiming should be like the cv guns.... but just a dream.
cu christian
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I think the Do-217 would be a great addition to the MA. :aok
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+1 much needed
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hi
and dont forget ouer Luftwaffenbombers :-)
cu
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+1
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I'd actually like to see the He 177.
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I'd actually like to see the He 177.
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Heheheheheehe. But yes we do need more German bombers, as much as I love the He111 no one wants to go on a 2 hour strat raid just to get stepped on by the first 262/163 that intercepts.
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That pretty much sums up how I feel most trollers here treat any new idea that they don't like. Maybe we need a rule on no -1 posts?
Yes, the Ju-188 or Do-217 would be a great fit for the 41-44 gap that we have.
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I'd LOVE to see the He-177!
I've yet to fly a sim that had it modeled.
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I'd LOVE to see the He-177!
I've yet to fly a sim that had it modeled.
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