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Title: Squad assignments
Post by: Viper61 on February 12, 2014, 07:16:46 PM
Is there anyway that a matrix / log can be added or created that would track which AC assignments squads are getting?  I know Mr. BINO use to do this for a scenario which was great.  What I'm looking for is one that tracks back 3 or 4 scenario's with old info falling off and new info being added.  And because of what I'm asking this would fall on our over paid and under worked CM Team  :lol

I suspect this would be of benefit to the CIC's as well.

I ask this because the 325th has gotten hit with more than our fair share of Bomber rides over the last 6 frames.  Not saying anyone is targeting anyone here, and I'm sure its more a matter of the CIC planning just his mission and not looking back or having a reference table to look at.  If everyone is feeling the pain then I'm fine and that's just the way it goes.  But if your squad hasn't had bomber rides at least 50% of the time then we need to even out the pain some.  Squad / AC tracking is the only way to do this as I see it if the scenario's keep coming with heavy bomber numbers and no or reduced JABO operations. 

The natives are growing restless in the 325th O'Club  :noid
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: USAFCAPcTSgt on February 12, 2014, 08:25:20 PM
Just a matter of going through the FSO logs.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Bino on February 12, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
The suggestion has often been made that a C-in-C should review the last several frames to see what his troops have flown, and to distribute the bomber duty if possible.  All that's needed are the FSO logs on the AH Events site.

Before I joined the CM Team, when I only wore a single hat, that of the JG11 Ops Officer, I assigned our squad to some sort of bomber duty whenever JG11 was assigned C-in-C.  Seemed like the right thing to do.  Still does.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Viper61 on February 15, 2014, 01:10:59 PM
I know the logs have the info.  I would speculate that very few CIC's will go back and review the logs over the last 6-9 frames and then create a matrix to figure out a even balance of AC assignments.  Rather some CIC's just plan their mission without taking that into consideration at all.  in some scenario's the first CIC will create a matrix to the end of the Task Org and then this allows the 2nd and 3rd Frame CIC's to at least see what the squads have been flying for that scenario.  But that is few and far between.

Guys we need something here that will assist.  One of the most common reasons for guys departing squads in the FSO is poor AC assignments.  I'm seeing this first hand right now in the 325th.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Trainee on February 15, 2014, 08:14:51 PM
Maybe someone could log who flew what (in the previous frames) on a simple excel spreadsheet and attach it with the objectives and map when they get sent out?  Sometimes it's just the way the numbers fall. When I know our turn at C in C is coming up I always save the orders from the previous frame(s) and review what the squads have as their preference but it is almost impossible to please everyone.  Although i try, i think that maintaining squad integrity is very important as well. I hate to split up a squad.  Excel doc with objectives and it resets on frame 1. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Bino on February 15, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
There is nothing automated currently available to do this.  The only way - at the moment - requires a very time-consuming manual process: extract the side assignments created by the Admin CM from the AH Events site, then add the plane assignments manually from a reading of the FSO logs.  I cannot speak for the other members of the CM Team, but I simply do not have the time available for that sort of process, week after week.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Trainee on February 15, 2014, 08:26:52 PM
Roger that. Just a bright idear. Maybe some smart programmer type could build something to do that.  It could turn into a full time job very quickly.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: captain1ma on February 15, 2014, 08:30:49 PM
we got hit with being assigned bombers twice.....and the allies paid dearly for it!! LOL
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Bino on February 15, 2014, 08:31:38 PM
A while back I was doing a very similar series of manual steps to create the attendance spreadsheets.  But since I started my new job out here in RL a few months ago, I haven't even had the time to do that.  Sorry.  
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Trainee on February 15, 2014, 08:41:52 PM
we got hit with being assigned bombers twice.....and the allies paid dearly for it!! LOL

Same for us. We had buffs and provided our own escort last two weeks. First frame we got wiped out, this time it was pay back. But as a large squad I can see that happening more often. Hopefully with the same results. Lol...
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: captain1ma on February 15, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
to be honest, when i do orders, i look to see what they flew last frame, or last 2 frames assuming i do frame 2 or 3. i dont have the time, nor do i care what happened last month. last time i did orders, it took me 14 hours due to a mistake on my part, plus redoing them twice in order to try to keep everyone happy. its luck of the draw and you just might have to live with it. make it fun! with a little imagination you can do alot of fun stuff with bombers!

and if that doesnt work, let me know. ill send you all of JG54's soiled sheep to keep you company on your next bombing run!  :salute
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Trainee on February 15, 2014, 09:01:23 PM
Oh we will fly Wright flyers and sling bricks if we have to. As far a the sheep go we have plenty of inter squad entertainment on the climb out.  But tha-aanks for the offer. :D
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Shifty on February 15, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
to be honest, when i do orders, i look to see what they flew last frame, or last 2 frames assuming i do frame 2 or 3. i dont have the time, nor do i care what happened last month. last time i did orders, it took me 14 hours due to a mistake on my part, plus redoing them twice in order to try to keep everyone happy. its luck of the draw and you just might have to live with it. make it fun! with a little imagination you can do alot of fun stuff with bombers!

and if that doesnt work, let me know. ill send you all of JG54's soiled sheep to keep you company on your next bombing run!  :salute

Good for you. Hopefully future CiCs will make sure you and your imagination get to pull the majority of buff assignments. It'll give you more chances to pat yourself on the back.


A while back I was doing a very similar series of manual steps to create the attendance spreadsheets.  But since I started my new job out here in RL a few months ago, I haven't even had the time to do that.  Sorry.  


No sweat Beans, new job first cartoon planes second. Appreciate the effort you put into these things.  :aok
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: pops57 on February 16, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
 Shifty are you joking or serious? If you are joking put something on the end to make that clear! If you are serious you are out of line. This comes across as inappropriate!
Good for you. Hopefully future CiCs will make sure you and your imagination get to pull the majority of buff assignments. It'll give you more chances to pat yourself on the back.


No sweat Beans, new job first cartoon planes second. Appreciate the effort you put into these things.  :aok
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Shifty on February 16, 2014, 10:52:02 AM
Shifty are you joking or serious? If you are joking put something on the end to make that clear! If you are serious you are out of line. This comes across as inappropriate!

Really, how so? A guy came on and asked for assistance with a legititmate question and problem. He was answered with smarmy indifference.
My answer was very appropiate.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: TheBug on February 16, 2014, 10:59:44 AM
I've posted this before, but a long time ago I tried to set something up using the AHWiki.  It just doesn't seem to have any long term interest.  Being on AHWiki it is open to any one with a forum account to keep updated.

FSO Squadron Missions (http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php?title=FSO_Squadron_missions&oldid=8803)
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Shifty on February 16, 2014, 11:07:44 AM
That is a sweet aplication Bug.  :aok It looks as if it needs a permanant care taker if somebody has the time. Nice work.  :salute
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Stampf on February 16, 2014, 11:12:08 AM

One thing jumps right out.

There are 40 Squads on that list from 2012.  We had 32 Squads Friday Night.  Less squads equates to more bomber assignments for all...all other things remaining equal.

Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: captain1ma on February 16, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
maybe the Cm's can keep that list more up to date for us. then they could send out that list as part of the objectives, so that CiC's would have all the information they need in one place. This way the CiC's can better assign squads to planes that are more of their liking.

This way there's a record of what each group flew for the last 6 frames.


Good for you. Hopefully future CiCs will make sure you and your imagination get to pull the majority of buff assignments. It'll give you more chances to pat yourself on the back.

its ok pops, i know he meant it in the nicest possible way. coming from shifty, its almost a compliment! hehehe I know where he's coming from and dont blame him, he just likes to use me as a dartboard! its ok with me.


***the above comment was not meant as an insult, shifty, please don't take it as such....just clarifying!

Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: ImADot on February 16, 2014, 12:27:34 PM
maybe the Cm's can keep that list more up to date for us. then they could send out that list as part of the objectives, so that CiC's would have all the information they need in one place. This way the CiC's can better assign squads to planes that are more of their liking.

In my opinion, not speaking as the CMCO or for the FSO Admins, the FSO is set up for the players to have a fun place to play for a couple of hours on Friday nights. The Admins spend a large amount of their free time to design them, and the Setups spend their share of time getting the arena set up and running them.

It seems like not too much to ask that the players involved in CiC duties, if they really cared about it, to keep that list up to date and take a little time to find out past squad assignments and factor that into their orders to keep from having some squads tasked with bomber duty 5 out of 7 frames, and things like that.

Some squads are well-known for taking the time and creating detailed and fair orders, others are known for doing just enough to tell squads what they're flying and where they're supposed to be. The event is for the players; it becomes what they make of it.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: kilo2 on February 16, 2014, 06:47:18 PM
It's appropriate because I say it's appropriate!
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Shifty on February 16, 2014, 07:07:27 PM
maybe the Cm's can keep that list more up to date for us. then they could send out that list as part of the objectives, so that CiC's would have all the information they need in one place. This way the CiC's can better assign squads to planes that are more of their liking.

This way there's a record of what each group flew for the last 6 frames.


its ok pops, i know he meant it in the nicest possible way. coming from shifty, its almost a compliment! hehehe I know where he's coming from and dont blame him, he just likes to use me as a dartboard! its ok with me.


***the above comment was not meant as an insult, shifty, please don't take it as such....just clarifying!



None taken Gary, you're a full grown man I knew you'd get it.   ;)
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: captain1ma on February 16, 2014, 08:16:09 PM
you're a full grown man

my wife might argue that point, based on some game i play Friday nights around 11pm EST!! LOL
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Shifty on February 16, 2014, 09:02:58 PM
my wife might argue that point, based on some game i play Friday nights around 11pm EST!! LOL

She's not the only wife.  :lol
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Squire on February 17, 2014, 10:51:33 AM
I sent a remnder out already to the squads at the beggining of the year to review past assignments in the logs and make the effort to be fair with strike duty.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Trainee on February 18, 2014, 07:02:23 PM
 :aok
To this weeks Axis CiC. The columns he added to this weeks ride assignment spreadsheet satisfied me just fine. What was flown the first two frames and this weeks ride. Could be used as a template for the next CiC, just pass it forward start over on frame one.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: CptA on February 19, 2014, 07:14:18 AM
Gentlemen,

Please feel free to use the Spreadsheet to your heart's content...the Nightmares have been using something like it for years.

Filling in the data available from the AH Events FSO page is a little time consuming, but it is very handy for at-a-glance reference when trying to get the numbers right.

Normally we would remove the excess data columns prior to final distribution...but I decided to leave them in this time as I was aware of this thread and this discussion.

Credit properly goes to MGD who came up with the original idea abot 10 years ago.

CptA
VMF-101 Nightmares
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Squire on February 19, 2014, 10:09:02 PM
Also if you feel that you have a case perhaps send an email or PM to the CiC a few days before and let them know...."hey we have had bombers 2 frames in a row here". Be civil and don't be impatient we all get a few FSO where we might have to haul the water a bit farther up the hill...but if you feel you have a case then say so.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: ImADot on February 20, 2014, 08:51:33 PM
If anyone is interested, I exported the logs from last week to the beginning of December (the last 8 frames) to create an Excel spreadsheet and pivot table. I didn't break out Axis versus Allied, and counted SBD/TBM/A20 as bombers. If a squad showed a bomber, even if they also had fighters that frame, they were counted as bomber for that frame. Here are the impartial results:

   !68th Lightning Lancers!      2 bomber, 6 fighter   
   *****FREEBIRD$*****      1 bomber, 7 fighter   
   ~~~THE UNFORGIVEN~~~      4 bomber, 4 fighter   
   ~Air Raiders~      8 fighter   
   162ndFG"Purple*Hearts"      2 bomber, 6 fighter   
   1841 Squadron Fleet Air Arm      8 fighter   
   325th Checkertails VFG      5 bomber, 3 fighter   
   327th Steel Talons      2 bomber, 6 fighter   
   332nd Flying Mongrels      2 bomber, 5 fighter   
   334th FS "The Eagles"      3 bomber, 5 fighter   
   353rd FG "Slybirds"      2 bomber, 6 fighter   
   364th C-Hawks FG      2 bomber, 5 fighter   
   367th Dynamite Gang      8 fighter   
   412th FNVG      2 bomber, 6 fighter   
   49th Fighter Group      4 bomber, 4 fighter   
   56 FG "Zemke's Wolfpack"      7 fighter   
   9GIAP VVS RKKA      3 bomber, 5 fighter   
   Anti-Horde      1 bomber, 7 fighter   
   Arabian Knights      3 bomber, 5 fighter   
   CLAIM JUMPERS      6 bomber, 2 fighter   
   Das Muppets      1 bomber, 7 fighter   
   G3-MF      3 bomber, 5 fighter   
   III./JG11 Sonderstaffel      1 bomber, 7 fighter   
   JG/2      2 bomber, 6 fighter   
   JG54 "Grunherz"      3 bomber, 5 fighter   
   Lachender Teufelskopf Gruppe      8 fighter   
   LCA ~Tainan Kokutai~      4 bomber, 4 fighter   
   Nightmares VMF-101      4 bomber, 4 fighter   
   VF-17 "Jolly Rogers"      3 bomber, 5 fighter   
   VMF-216 Bull Dogs      4 bomber, 4 fighter   
   VMF-222 ~Flying Deuces~      1 bomber, 7 fighter   
               


EDITED: D3A1 now counted as bomber (as it should have been)  :o
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: pops57 on February 20, 2014, 09:12:34 PM
Over 23 percent of listed groups flew one or no bomber missions. I wonder if squad size factors into this greatly?
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Nefarious on February 20, 2014, 09:15:17 PM
FYI 412th FNVG should show 2 Bomber sorties.

Friday December 13th we flew a mix of 10 B-24s remaining P-51Ds.
Friday January 10th we flew a mix of 6 D3A1s remaining Ki-43-IIs.

FWIW we also flew 2 He 111 Transport missions in November 2013.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Swoop73 on February 20, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
Nice work, Dot.

Not trying to dictate what we fly in the 325th but, jeez.... I've got tinnitus from all the multi engine time.
We have always prided ourselves with manning up and going with what we were assigned but too often in bombers  puts a strain on things.

Actually, one of our squad guys had the idea that it might be fun on an FSO to leave bombers completely out and just go at it with fighter sweeps.

Just an idea....    :-)

Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: ImADot on February 20, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
FYI 412th FNVG should show 2 Bomber sorties.

Friday December 13th we flew a mix of 10 B-24s remaining P-51Ds.
Friday January 10th we flew a mix of 6 D3A1s remaining Ki-43-IIs.

FWIW we also flew 2 He 111 Transport missions in November 2013.


My bad. I made the following adjustments to the table data in my previous post, all +1 bomber and -1 fighter:

~~~THE UNFORGIVEN~~~
353rd FG "Slybirds"
364th C-Hawks FG
412th FNVG
Anti-Horde
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Stampf on February 20, 2014, 10:49:55 PM

Dec was "Superforts over Fortress Europe"  So All Axis squads go Bomber 0 Fighter 3.

We also resupplied Stalingrad.

And for you allied defenders...JG11 is bringing the heavy iron again tomorrow night... :D  So look sharp!


 
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: WxMan on February 26, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
Wow...you guys really expect a lot from a CiC. You're asking for a system that has tremendous problems with upkeep.

I've offered a solution a year or so ago when this was brought up before.

Every CiC has to check the Side list each frame to assign squadrons. In this list it has a preference for aircraft for each frame. If every Squad CO at the end of each frame updates its squadron aircraft preference by simply putting "we flew xxx" in frame 1...frame 2...etc, it would save the CiC tons of time of going through the previous logs and it would lessen the chances of getting bombers more frequently than you should.

This puts the responsibility on the Squadron CO's and not the CiC. If a CO can't spare the few minutes to do this, then he and his squad has no room to b*tch.

This is not a perfect solution as there is a chance that you could fly bombers in frame 3 of the previous event and be assigned the same type of aircraft in frame 1 of the next one, but it should reduce the chances dramatically of the flying the same type during a single event.
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Stampf on February 26, 2014, 11:37:49 AM
Wow...you guys really expect a lot from a CiC. You're asking for a system that has tremendous problems with upkeep.

I've offered a solution a year or so ago when this was brought up before.

Every CiC has to check the Side list each frame to assign squadrons. In this list it has a preference for aircraft for each frame. If every Squad CO at the end of each frame updates its squadron aircraft preference by simply putting "we flew xxx" in frame 1...frame 2...etc, it would save the CiC tons of time of going through the previous logs and it would lessen the chances of getting bombers more frequently than you should.

This puts the responsibility on the Squadron CO's and not the CiC. If a CO can't spare the few minutes to do this, then he and his squad has no room to b*tch.

This is not a perfect solution as their is a chance that you could fly bombers in frame 3 of the previous event and be assigned the same type of aircraft in frame 1 of the next one, but it should reduce the chances dramatically of the flying the same type during a single event.

 :aok - except...currently we are not allowed to update any information at SE site while a operation is currently underway.

Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: jeffdn on February 27, 2014, 11:47:13 AM
I'd be happy to create a small web application to keep track of this stuff, and furthermore, have statistics/data/etc on all players/squads/planes. If the logs are kept in a standard format it would be easy.  

If there is interest from the relevant parties, just drop me a line and we can work out what exactly is needed on the technical side.

:salute
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Zoney on February 28, 2014, 02:50:16 PM
I'd be happy to create a small web application to keep track of this stuff, and furthermore, have statistics/data/etc on all players/squads/planes. If the logs are kept in a standard format it would be easy.  

If there is interest from the relevant parties, just drop me a line and we can work out what exactly is needed on the technical side.

:salute

WTG jeff  :salute
Title: Re: Squad assignments
Post by: Bino on February 28, 2014, 11:13:10 PM
Several good ideas and generous offers in this thread.  Just what I've come to expect from FSO.   :salute


BTW, ImADot, I tallied the last eight frames for the Gun Fighters, and I come up with:  4 bomber   4 fighter

JG11 has Allied C-in-C duty for March, so I'm using your figures.  Thanks!   :cheers: