Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: beau32 on February 13, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
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Since they took away our internet at work, all we get now is military and government sites. I decided to give the National Archive Website a try. And what a treasure of information is on there. Especially Gun cam film. I post a link below to check out, but I have never seen a good portion of these films. Things from 110's getting attacked, and firing their rockets to lose them, to american pilots strafing german pilots that have crash landed. Hope you all find it intresting.
http://research.archives.gov/description/65501
Same as above, but the film
http://media.nara.gov/mopix/342/usaf/342-USAF-17629.wmv
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Great find. Thanks for sharing :aok
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Must be fake video. Vultching in real life? Our boys wouldn't do that! :devil
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What is wrong with the 190's in the gun cam footage?
They are not jerking about all over the place when some one got on there 6?
Oh yeah no induced internet lag to save them. :devil
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In the cartoon world everyone has instant recovery from spatial disorientation.
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What is wrong with the 190's in the gun cam footage?
They are not jerking about all over the place when some one got on there 6?
Oh yeah no induced internet lag to save them. :devil
They are mostly "two weekers". Half trained kids, just trying to fly the plane, let alone fight.
Jump on a two weekers six in game and you'll get the same result...an easy kill for the same reason.
Most of us here have been flying cartoon planes for twice as long as the war really lasted. When we make a mistake, we don't die for real, so e get to learn from it. Over and over. For years and years.
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I'd wager that we'd be pretty tough for any real life pilot to beat in a 1v1 dogfight :devil.
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I'd wager that we'd be pretty tough for any real life pilot to beat in a 1v1 dogfight :devil.
I'd wager you would get yourself killed before you ever saw an enemy.
@Blooz, sorry but that isn't true either. I can show you tons of videos of many long-term users in AH that do the 'ger-flopen thing.' Even some of the top F4U pilots do it now.
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I'd wager you would get yourself killed before you ever saw an enemy.
Agreed. (Although you could insist on not flying unless the enemy aircraft had red icons.) As well, many of the maneuvers we fly in this game would have us barfing our guts out into our oxygen masks, while our arm and leg muscles started to jelly out from our efforts.
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@Blooz, sorry but that isn't true either. I can show you tons of videos of many long-term users in AH that do the 'ger-flopen thing.' Even some of the top F4U pilots do it now.
That's not my point. My point is why, in real life, the targets in gun cam film don't aggressively maneuver. My answer is "they didn't know they were in trouble or if they did know, were not prepared to take action."
We, here in cartoon combat land, get to learn, over and over, from our mistakes. In real life, you rarely get to make more than one mistake.
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I see. Well, I still disagree. There is nothing more aggressive than a desperate, young, and scared kid. You can read many accounts of kids straining their planes to the fullest to avoid gun fire, so I think the Luftwaffe would be no different. We have video of 190s in extended turn battles with Jugs and 51s, and yet not one video of a 'ger-flopen thing,' so it has to a physical limitation that does not exist in Aces High. Spatial disorientation would be a fairly big problem to be avoided.
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'ger-flopen thing,'
:lol
Any 1 notice at about 3:18 2nd Lt. W.A.McClure 56thFG attacking FW-290?
Robert Johnson's book "Thunderbolt" he claims this and most just say he wrote the book 15 years after the war....he forgot or was mistaken.
Robert Johnson's wing man 1st Lt. Joe Powers also talks about shooting a in FW with an inline engine.... is this what Johnson, Powers and McClure called the "New" FW?
The 2 reports
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/er/56-johnson-30jan44.jpg)
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/er/56-powers-30jan44.jpg)
Hmmm,
:cheers:
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I am unable to get it to work. Says I need a "plug-in." Any suggestions?
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What is wrong with the 190's in the gun cam footage?
They are not jerking about all over the place when some one got on there 6?
No they couldn't get gun cam footage of those... :aok
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As a side note: A very good, perhaps the best, documentary on the 190.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf1uvnTRkB0
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Wow 834 rounds of AP& I (Incendiary) For the first two.
The other one was 567 AP& I ..
Sound like poor gunnery. What I find Interesting was they thought 200yds was to far
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I'd wager you would get yourself killed before you ever saw an enemy.
Id wager that id get killed rolling across the tarmac to get to my runway i was cleared to take off from. If I was lucky enough to get to that destination.....guarenteed my body and plane would be splattered all over the countryside, which is the usual result in game as well :headscratch:
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Wow 834 rounds of AP& I (Incendiary) For the first two.
The other one was 567 AP& I ..
Sound like poor gunnery. What I find Interesting was they thought 200yds was to far
That's 7 seconds firing time for the first one, and 5 seconds for the latter at approximately 107 rounds per second coming out of 8x .50 AN/M2 Browning HMG.
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Thats reminds me of a Pierre Clostermann interview : he said German pilots were deep into a chevalry spirit, when some Allies strafed downed pilots...
War... :uhoh
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In 1945, german pilots only survived 10h combat flights for 95% of them.
They are mostly "two weekers". Half trained kids, just trying to fly the plane, let alone fight.
Jump on a two weekers six in game and you'll get the same result...an easy kill for the same reason.
Most of us here have been flying cartoon planes for twice as long as the war really lasted. When we make a mistake, we don't die for real, so e get to learn from it. Over and over. For years and years.
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What the gun camera footage doesn't show is the maneuvering that took place before 'shoot down'.
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Thats reminds me of a Pierre Clostermann interview : he said German pilots were deep into a chevalry spirit, when some Allies strafed downed pilots...
War... :uhoh
Dornier Do 24
(http://luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/dornier/do24n.jpg)
This aircraft is the root cause of the "chute-shooting" between the Axis and Allies in Europe. Despite the fact that Britain is an island nation it was the Germans who had the best SAR system. The Luftwaffe had specialized squadrons of these SAR aircraft for locating and rescuing pilots at sea during the Battle of Britain. The RAF only had rescue launches, and grew weary of having their airmen die in the Channel while the Germans got rescued; despite being painted bright white with red crosses, the RAF started shooting down the German SAR planes. In retaliation the Luftwaffe started strafing British rescue launches and pilots in the sea or in their inflatable dinghies, and it only escalated from there.