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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rich46yo on February 17, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
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I'll start with mine. First off the plane is everything I could have hoped for in all the years of begging for it. Beautifully modeled, very flyable, sometimes sluggish but with good all around characteristics. Not top of the line defensible but remember its KD is not much worse then very defensible bombers like the 17, the 24, the KI67. Also many of its death i suspect have been caused by noobs in it, like me, dropping 1,000kg bombs to low on GVs "which will kill you like you were fried chicken as it will the GV".
I also suspect there is a fair amount of bomb and bailing in it because of what its good at.
And what its good at is taking a 19841.6036 lb bombload to a respectable Alt, and then getting that bombload to a target fast, and then walloping the snot out of that target. I find this airplane in formation absolute murder on CVs and town centers with its biggest load. 3 formations of them with ease will shut down a medium base and probably give you a good head start on a town with a bomb or two. The bombs are so big they leave you margin for error. Add a 4th, and use the emptys for strafing, and the base is yours.
And the thing is it does it fast before the enemy can react. It has a generous wep that gets you to its sweet spot, 15K, fast. And starts you off to its target....fast. With almost 6,000lb of ord then the 26s it climbs far faster and flys far faster. No its not a great defensive bomber but speed is its defense, and its not helpless either.
Im really surprised I dont see it more. its everything I wanted and i consider it the premier medium bomber in the game. :salute
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From an attacker's perspective, as I mentioned before in another thread, I find the TU-2 to be weak and not able to withstand much punishment at all. That surprised me, I expected it to be a little bit more rugged considering the Soviet design philosophy, not IL2 flying tank tough but at least able to withstand more than a burst of .50 calibers.
One thing I have found amusing is how many have tried to fly it like a fighter and think it's actually decent in that role.
ack-ack
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One thing I have found amusing is how many have tried to fly it like a fighter and think it's actually decent in that role.
For a bomber it is pretty decent at that roll. But "for a bomber" is a pretty big caveat.
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It does good as a fighter but only because the victims don't expect it to aggressively attack them......and then it's too late.
That will change once fighters give it a little more respect.
All but one of the fighter kills was a dogfight and often was 1 tu2 vs 3 enemy fighters.........ask the victims.
It's also able to run down B29s if you are in perfect position and altitude.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7344/12601363433_2483c18798_o.jpg)
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I've already seen several players that take it in a formation, bomb the target from alt, ditch the drones to explode while they dive with the lead to get some kills or strafe. Dogfighting with the TU2 after bombing is fine by me - if you brought the one plane. I hate it when formations are used as mules with no intention for them to survive. This is so gaming the game.
One more reason why formations should be perked. Get at least one out of the three home and you get your perks back. Ditch the drones and go get killed with the last one and you pay the perks.
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Can't stand drone ditchers or map leavers.
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I fought one for five minutes with a goon in wide open ground. Tutu didn't survive that one.
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IMHO it is great bomber when flown right...
It one of the top rides to bring a bomb load, make a damage and RTB safely. What is most important it does it quite fast. Its turn around time roll/climb/transit/bomb/transit/dive/land is relatively short which gives it sort of power multiplier.
I had flown it several times, there were attempts to intercept it each time, but the at its high speed they all were able to come from dead 6 which make them very vulnerable. So it is great bomber.
I think it may be better to fly it without formations at all. It allows you to stay less time over target as you can do harder turns for each bomb run and than escape. The 1,000KB bombs can get almost any target so bringing a formation is generally does not help a lot.
That surprised me, I expected it to be a little bit more rugged considering the Soviet design philosophy, not IL2 flying tank tough but at least able to withstand more than a burst of .50 calibers.
IL-2 was very different from any other planes, it was heavily armored by design - it was one of the most heavily armored planes of WW2 if not the most armored one.
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Drones shouldn't just explode when they get a certain distance away from the player controlled AC. They should just continue trying to formate within the limited performance they have, allowing interceptors to pick them off.
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I dont believe I ever shot down a fighter in one from a defensive position but Ive crippled almost every one to attack, with the rear 0.50s, and forced them to break off long enough for me to get some ords on target. I guess that makes it good enough. One thing I like to do is put the formation in a shallow dive at the attacker is heading in, building speed up, some ruddering, then going flat...ect making it hard for them to get in that perfect "6" position.
Ive tried it as a GV bomber and its OK. I prefer flying it in formation and attacking targets that matter.
So with all rear ammo expended its better to just die with your drones eh? Instead of trying to save one aircrew? I dont mind the thread being hijacked cause I find it funny when some think bombers should fly straight and level and die without a fight, any fight!
Where'as the little fighters once they get riddled a bit peel off for their base right under them to save their precious skins instead of fighting till the end.
Like little girls they run away. :D
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So with all rear ammo expended its better to just die with your drones eh? Instead of trying to save one aircrew? I dont mind the thread being hijacked cause I find it funny when some think bombers should fly straight and level and die without a fight, any fight!
No, the intention is the opposite - to allow the bomber to maneuver for defense. The price to pay is no formations - one pilot, one plane.
Formations were added to AH when full manual calibration was implemented (NOT what we currently have in the arenas) and bombing accuracy was significantly reduced. The thought was that bombers will do carpet bombing and needed more lbs of bombs to do real damage. Formations also added to the survivability by:
1. Adding defensive firepower from the combined guns of the formation.
2. Giving "3 strikes" to the bomber player that spent a long time climbing and setting up his attack run.
Bombing accuracy is no longer a problem with the current implementation of the calibration mechanics. For a bomber that intends to maneuver and dogfight, formations make as much sense as giving P-47 the formation option. Shouldn't a P-47 player get "3 strikes" in case he gets intercepted heavy, or hit by puffy acks? Shouldn't a P-38 be allowed 3 strikes giving him the chance to lawndart into the target with at least one plane of the 3? If the P47/38 reaches the target, he can ditch the formation drones and go JABO/fighter with one of the three that is undamaged. Sounds silly? because it is.
Enjoying the formation option which is entirely a feature designed for gameplay, comes with gameplay limitations. The drones were limited in their maneuvers and the distance they are allowed to drift from the lead for a reason. The way to make players treat his formation like wingmen and not like "power-ups", or expendable replacements is to make him want to bring them back.
We already have perked formations: B29, Arado and Mossie XVI. If you take a formation with these planes you pay the perk cost for the formation drones as well as the lead plane. However, if you bring just one of the trio back to land, you get back the perks you deposited for all 3. This is how it should work for all bombers, except that the first bomber is free and you pay minor perks for the extra 2 you take. I am certain that this is within the coding ability of HTC.
Alternatively, give us P-38 and P-47 formations. Fair is fair. :rolleyes:
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That will change once fighters give it a little more respect.
All but one of the fighter kills was a dogfight and often was 1 tu2 vs 3 enemy fighters.........ask the victims.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7344/12601363433_2483c18798_o.jpg)
Not sure why you have posted your kills so proudly, without your deaths no one can respect it with a straight face.
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We already have perked formations: B29, Arado and Mossie XVI. If you take a formation with these planes you pay the perk cost for the formation drones as well as the lead plane. However, if you bring just one of the trio back to land, you get back the perks you deposited for all 3.
No. If you bring back only one, you lose the perks paid for the other two.
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I also suspect there is a fair amount of bomb and bailing in it because of what its good at.
Its really time for HTC to introduce perks penalty for those lamers who bail from 3 undamaged bombers... Ruining realism and others fun... :uhoh
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No. If you bring back only one, you lose the perks paid for the other two.
OK, thanks for the correction. It is even better this way.
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It does good as a fighter but only because the victims don't expect it to aggressively attack them......and then it's too late.
That will change once fighters give it a little more respect.
All but one of the fighter kills was a dogfight and often was 1 tu2 vs 3 enemy fighters.........ask the victims.
It's also able to run down B29s if you are in perfect position and altitude.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7344/12601363433_2483c18798_o.jpg)
Nice one ice, I remember that one, now I know what you where in. insult to injury!
~S~ Buck
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In a base defense situation I don't understand the motivation for engaging enemy bombers who are RTB. Let them go and focus on the incoming bombers who still carry ord. Shooting down empty bombers only make them up new, fully laden bombers faster. We have unlimited number of lives and planes; the MA is not a war of attrition.
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I really didnt want this to turn into another, bailer/drones whine thread. Can we focus on the aircraft itself please?
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In a base defense situation I don't understand the motivation for engaging enemy bombers who are RTB. Let them go and focus on the incoming bombers who still carry ord. Shooting down empty bombers only make them up new, fully laden bombers faster. We have unlimited number of lives and planes; the MA is not a war of attrition.
So the bomber guy breaks all your stuff and just because his bomb bay is now empty, he should be free to go? That vulching Tempon has spent all his ammo and racked up ten kills but let him go, he's no longer a threat! :rolleyes:
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So you'd prefer to let another bomber guy get through the base defense to break more of your stuff just so you can run after empty bombers to extract some misguided revenge?
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So you'd prefer to let another bomber guy get through the base defense to break more of your stuff just so you can run after empty bombers to extract some misguided revenge?
That depends on the situation. If time has been invested in climbing to attack the outgoing bombers, that is where my bullets are going. If there is little chance of me catching him, then I will divert to the inbound set. It isn't misguided revenge. It's called combat. Come after my base and you will be shot at. By the way, how do you determine when bombers are empty? If let go, he could very well return for another pass, could he not?
You may base every move you make on the current tactical situation, but that doesn't mean I have to. Paying $14.95 a month entitles me to be my own General.
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Not sure why you have posted your kills so proudly, without your deaths no one can respect it with a straight face.
I have zero respect for you dolby and likely never will because of your unhealthy fixation with me.
Most of my tu2 deaths were from AFK flying deep into enemy territory or stupidly diving into very bad odds furballs.
It's not good in furballs but works OK in one vs one odds.
I like it's ability to land 14k damage on a fighter sortie and engage fighters on the way home.
Sorry Hellbuck.....you were obviously away from keyboard doing something productive since that KI84 was at 24,000 feet.
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I have zero respect for you dolby and likely never will because of your unhealthy fixation with me.
Most of my tu2 deaths were from AFK flying deep into enemy territory or stupidly diving into very bad odds furballs.
It's not good in furballs but works OK in one vs one odds.
I like it's ability to land 14k damage on a fighter sortie and engage fighters on the way home.
Sorry Hellbuck.....you were obviously away from keyboard doing something productive since that KI84 was at 24,000 feet.
:lol what a tit.
Respect for the tutu you half wit.. :rolleyes:
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You may base every move you make on the current tactical situation, but that doesn't mean I have to. Paying $14.95 a month entitles me to be my own General.
Indeed. The same goes for those who prefer to bail, auger or furball in their bombers after dropping.
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:lol what a tit.
Respect for the tutu you half wit.. :rolleyes:
<S> Dolby.
What a class act guy!
:rolleyes:
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It's surprisingly nimble for its bombing capabilities. I got into it last night with an F4U after I hit the CV he'd taken off from. We wound up killing each other as he got my six and I went to rear guns. I almost got front guns on in the 3 or 4 turns before got my six. I did start with alt though.
It's an interesting addition to the game. I absolutely love it for hitting CV's due to the speed and climb. I don't often have the patience to put 4 engine bombers over a boat at enough altitude, but the Tu2 hits the sweet spot for me for payload and convenience getting to target.
Wiley.
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A wonderful model I would say. Maybe the best in my time here. Its everything I had hoped for in all these years.
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So, i guess that if teamkill was possible, u'd be TKed with a smile ? :(
Indeed. The same goes for those who prefer to bail, auger or furball in their bombers after dropping.
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The best addition in a long time, and I think Ack Ack be smoking crack crack. It's a great fighter against the unwashed masses and soaks up damage quite well as long as you don't fly straight and level and let them put a sustained burst into one area. Not to mention the fact you can kill 6 GVs with it before you start clubbing seals. <3
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Absolutely. The TU2 isthe perfect CV killer many dreamed of : a great addition to the game, thanks HTC ! :aok
It's surprisingly nimble for its bombing capabilities. I got into it last night with an F4U after I hit the CV he'd taken off from. We wound up killing each other as he got my six and I went to rear guns. I almost got front guns on in the 3 or 4 turns before got my six. I did start with alt though.
It's an interesting addition to the game. I absolutely love it for hitting CV's due to the speed and climb. I don't often have the patience to put 4 engine bombers over a boat at enough altitude, but the Tu2 hits the sweet spot for me for payload and convenience getting to target.
Wiley.
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Not sure why you have posted your kills so proudly, without your deaths no one can respect it with a straight face.
:rofl Fish On!!!!!!! :devil
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The best addition in a long time, and I think Ack Ack be smoking crack crack.
Each TU-2 kill I have only took 1 burst of my guns on the P-38J to bring one down. But then, it could be because I aim for certain areas instead of just spray and hope for the best.
ack-ack
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So, i guess that if teamkill was possible, u'd be TKed with a smile ? :(
Silly comparison. Griefing friendlies is a completely different matter. For my $14.95 I get to do what I want with my ride.
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It's a friggin UFO.
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Exacltly what a TK could answer : "i pay so i do what i want".
I'm not judging anyone, but my exemple just prove one thing : it's not because its possible to do ingame that it's good for the game.
Bailing from 3 undamaged bombers, instead of fighting like they should isnt a normal way of playing.
For those who do it once per day or less, it wont be a problem. For those who bail 30 times a day it will be ! :rock
Silly comparison. Griefing friendlies is a completely different matter. For my $14.95 I get to do what I want with my ride.
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Who are you to judge what is the "normal way of playing"?
HiTech once (in)famously said, and I paraphrase: "The point of this game is to ruin the other guy's day."
I'm not sure bailing from bombers is what he had in mind, but anyway. If this is a problem for you then go after the incoming bombers only... They rarely bail.
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Once there was an online game that people took really seriously. That was a good thing, or maybe, given the context, understandable...
blah, blah, blah... insert body of story here.
...and, after being pelted with small chunks of metal, assorted detritus, and one very notable watermelon that appeared to have been soaked in human excrement, Tila vowed never to appear as an opening act for that band ever again.
-The End.
So, could someone please tell me how we got from a review of the Tupolev to arguments over bomber etiquette? Oh yeah, the perks thing. It seems like a separate topic. I call hijack.
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When I tested it offline with little fuel on board, no bombs and it made me wonder and right away I started to check the weights. Everything I've read points to the fact that Tu-2 is ~1600lbs underweight. That is a lot for a WWII combat aircraft.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,358715.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,358715.0.html)
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Maker, your source and data look pretty reputable. Perhaps Herr Addink could comment.... I know he aspires to fidelity. I wonder if he had a conflicting data source or conflicting info on the inclusions.
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I think that's Pyro's department.
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The weight difference suggests HTC may have subtracted crew weight instead of adding it. I'm just speculating, I don't know what data HTC has for empty weight.
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Even at reduced weight, I very much prefer the A-20 should I have to deal with fighters....
On the other hand, the Tu-2S is extremely formidable attacking GVs, CV groups or any other ground target. You can fight in it, but an A-20 will eat it up in a 1v1 fight. Very poor roll rate, coupled with horrendous stiffening of controls means that the Tu-2S is at a very big disadvantage above 300 mph. My choice for killing stuff on the ground is the Tu-2, but if there are enemy fighters buzzing around, I take the A-20 instead.
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Run that generous WEP and you are up to 6 to 8 K and then up to bomb speed very quickly. And you are there with an extremely effective bomb load. My fave is the 3 baddabooms but the 2 and 4 is a better all arounder. Those 3 2000 KG'ers can smash the heart of a town in one pass like nobodys business.
I speed bomb in it. It might just be me but I could swear 3 can turn back into a base faster, and then settle for calibration faster, "faster" then speed bombing any other bomber set. A shallow dive gets you back to base quickly.
You get up quick, you get there quick, you hit hard quick, and you get back quick. Which means you can keep up pressure on your chosen target quick.
I Love this thing. :aok :airplane:
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God help us all when TWC do their raids in A20s instead of loaded 38s :pray
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I like it's overall performance and loadout much better than the Boston but I still prefer the glass-nosed Mossie to it for general air raiding.
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Each TU-2 kill I have only took 1 burst of my guns on the P-38J to bring one down. But then, it could be because I aim for certain areas instead of just spray and hope for the best.
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I've been flying again. I put aside the 109 after a few kills and a lot of climbing away from hordes tonight.
I (re)discovered the game's best "mudder".
No, the Tu2 doesn't hold up to being stitched with Hispano shells, either ;^) Nor can it turn with the Hurri IId (duh). I guess I'll have to fly it. It looks good in the hangar.
It smashes even prettier, though.
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Its really time for HTC to introduce perks penalty for those lamers who bail from 3 undamaged bombers... Ruining realism and others fun... :uhoh
Amen!
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I blew the wing off a mustang yesterday and he flew right into the back of my three TUs, maybe gunning one, and rammed the others getting credit for 3 kills. :huh
Took out another mustang later and ran out of gas 10 miles short. :huh
Never go anywheres without 3/4 gas. And yes cannoned birds can make life short and exciting.