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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: PJ_Godzilla on February 23, 2014, 09:02:29 AM
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I've recently gotten back into AHii after a little hiatus in which I retained my subscription but wasn't flying much.
The reason I did (come back) was because I'd spent some time, at the urging of an old friend, flying in War Thunder. I had some general beefs with that game.
1. Their comms system flat sucked
2. The access to airplanes was based on a buy system -which I dutifully did (and then felt stupid for doing so).
3. Their arena system seemed like it was localized to similar era a/c. There did not seem to a global arena for each era.
4. Their game seemed like it performed slower on my equipment and connection, though I cannot support this assertion objectively.
Those were my first impressions based on limited time in game. I question their flight models but had no specific problems there, having bought access to only a limited number of early war types.
There were some upsides as well, though.
1. WT has bucket loads of a/c modeled, those models, though and as I assert, are of unknown quality.
(Ew i especially liked the he112and d520, this later being a known wishlist item here).
2. Their terrain is pretty. This might have something to do with item 4. above.
Anyway, I post this just because I wonder if anyone else had any experience with that game. It left me a little flat, mainly because there isn't a unified arena. Esprit de corps, it seems, is part of what I get here between the bb and the lw arena. There it's kind of like having sex with mannequins - safe and anonymous but ultimately unsatisfying...
As for my friend: he's moved on to some silly fantasy game and refuses to pay even the piddling $15/month here to play the real game.
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Welcome back.
I have tried for short ,very short times some other AC games and the one thing AH dose have you will find is a very fun and i "hear" realistic flight modeling.
As far as the terrain , in not to long should get a whole lot better "we hope" as HTC is doing a major graphics overhaul.
Be happy to see you up in the sky ,you ever need or want to wing up shoot me a pm.
:rock
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There it's kind of like having sex with mannequins - safe and anonymous but ultimately unsatisfying...
:rofl
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I'll take you for your word on manniquin sex but, TMI.
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I have always felt that WT performed better on my computer than AH did. If you're just looking for casual fast action, WT should suffice. If you're looking for more in-depth air to air combat that requires patience and practice, AH would be better.
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You have to buy your planes, so friggin annoying trying to shoot down advanced players in advanced planes in your pea shooter.. does not make any sense.. Does bring back memories of another similiar game.. Road Rash the bike game you had to win races in order upgrade you ride.. forgot which system nintendo possibly
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Alpha'ed and beta'ed World of Planes ( known now as War Thunder ).......
It is a different type of game....... I had the opportunity to fly a multitude of the plane set....
as for my opinions and suggestions......... they are personal and most are forgotten about......
is not really possible to even make an apples to apples comparison between Aces High and War Thunder........ they are like comparing apples to nuts ....... 2 different categories
welcome back <S>
TC
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I have been playing War Thunder since sept/oct timeframe. I am using it to shake the rust off before flying in AH with the rest of you cutthroats (LOL j/k). I have some major gripes about gameplay and aircraft modeling vs actual performance. Be aware...if you go give it a try fly soviets. Their aircraft are the toughest of them all (programmer bias ?). Also be aware that there is virtually no teamplay as it is an individual achievement based game. The better you do the more you can upgrade your plane.
On the other hand the graphics are very nice and it seems to play very well on my older machine (AMD 64x2, GeForce 8800GT ). I will be flying AH in the very near future because I much prefer teamwork in flying to anything else.
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Does bring back memories of another similiar game.. Road Rash the bike game you had to win races in order upgrade you ride.. forgot which system nintendo possibly
Pulling out wallet for micro-purchase = winning in Road Rash for upgrades? :headscratch:
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WT is a pc version of an iphone game I used to have. You fight in external view, you gain levels, you earn points with which you buy upgrades, special ammo, and other, better planes. It's free to play but you can buy upgrades with real money. WT is by no means a sim. The type of consumer that would be interested in WT would not be interested in AH, and vice versa.
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The game was called Metalstorm, exactly like WT but with jets.
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Please log into Warthunder for 20 minutes each day and advertise AH for us. :cheers:
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Pulling out wallet for micro-purchase = winning in Road Rash for upgrades? :headscratch:
Not neccessarily.. you still had to race a good race and not fall off the bike.. the money simply got you a machine that was faster.. better handling.. what have you.. lol I'm sure many remember this
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I have few issues taking out folks in the T1 arena with my A5M4. You employ basic ACM and MOST drop like flies. But if you are flying something like that in the T2+ arena, then it's your own fault for being out matched. I've still had some success in the A5M4 in the T2 arena.
I've been playing WT for a small time now, and there are some things I love about it.
1) When I hit someone with the meager rifle caliber guns, it feels very satisfying. Visually, it has AH beat HOWEVER, WT lacks the decisive hits sprites AH possess. With 20's and 30's in WT especially, you don't have (I've yet to see it myself) that satisfying hit sprite that you get here. However, if I were to choose between the two, WT has the upper hand.
2) Their Japanese and Russian line, even their Italian line puts us down. They have gone as far as to push into the Korean Era and have an upper hand. They have a better EW/MW lineup across the board and may have more WW2 A/C than we do. I have yet to actually count... :headscratch:
WT is a Tactical based game. There is VERY LITTLE strategy involved other than, you take a bomber and bomb out zone bases then the airfield. AH has WT look non-existent in the Strategic world, not to mention we have MASSIVE maps. WT's maps are so very small, and when they finally bring their tanks in (which they currently have a better line up than we do, and it's still CB), yeah. I'm probably going to be getting that "Return to Battlefield" message a lot. :bhead AH wins there; no "Return to Battlefield" BS. I can practically fly in one direction until I run out of fuel.
Right now, I only fly the Japanese line in WT. I have yet to TOUCH the other countries, primarily because I WANT that G5N and G8N SO BAD. :x :joystick: :banana: :x A/C that will never be in AH, though I can understand why. :( :aok My Japanese line consists entirely of Bombers atm (minus my A5M4).
What WT has:
Visual's; Terrain, Plane, Battle Damage
A/C: More rounded out overall (A personal like; LOTS of Japanese Bombers and more bombers overall)
What AH has:
Strategic Value
Accurate Models
HUGE maps that have EVERYONE on it, none of this tiny map separate server BS.
I can't comment on realism between AH and WT because I have not gone anywhere near Simulated Battles in WT. Not willing to wait that long for a match on a tiny map that is likely to end up with a bunch of AI on one or both sides, when I can hop on AH and have combat in less time with people.
WT is a pc version of an iphone game I used to have. You fight in external view, you gain levels, you earn points with which you buy upgrades, special ammo, and other, better planes. It's free to play but you can buy upgrades with real money. WT is by no means a sim. The type of consumer that would be interested in WT would not be interested in AH, and vice versa.
Entirely incorrect. I am interested in both AH and WT. WT provides that arcade-y fun when I want, while AH provides the strategic lust that I crave. :joystick: And I don't have problems taking out people using the Default Ammo Belts in WT. Using the "special ammo" is a little noticeable vs some planes, but overall hasn't proved to be much better. I'll admit that the "upgrading" is a bit feh, but I haven't actually noticed much difference between a fully upgraded A5M4 vs a freshly bought one either. The leveling up is also a little feh, and if you want your pilot to live through a fart in the wind you have to push that Stamina stat up asap, or risk having that fart in the wind knock you out. :bhead
Now if you asked me to choose between the two, I will side with AH instantly. AH has something WT could never hope to achieve, strategic bombing. And while I enjoy the arcade-y fun that WT has, not to mention all the lusty Japanese Bombers, it possesses VERY LITTLE to ZERO strategic value. Give me strategic bombing any day. However, it's boring doing strategic runs by yourself. And I can accomplish more pissing into the wind, than to get folks together for a strat run. :(
While AH can be a mess, it's a fun mess. Like having rough sex with a bowl of warmed up potato salad. :banana:
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Sex with potato salad, sex with mannequin, I hope you realize these are references that nobody else can relate to. I knew WT players were disgusting but damn.
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Sex with potato salad, sex with mannequin, I hope you realize these are references that nobody else can relate to. I knew WT players were disgusting but damn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVFHkAzWAnc
GIGGITY, GIGGITY, :banana:!
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the joystick setup in wt sucks wind. the latest change in the way they match people up for battles is worse than trying to furball with a d3a1. the flight models are hit and miss...mostly miss.
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Not neccessarily.. you still had to race a good race and not fall off the bike.. the money simply got you a machine that was faster.. better handling.. what have you.. lol I'm sure many remember this
I played the game. You're making a poor correlation. You're not good at those. Sorry, can't make it clearer than that. :D
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Lol no doubt about it
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my roommate downloaded it as I do not have the graphics card for it. I felt like the game was cheesy, arcady, and it just didn't seem realistic at all compared to AH and Microsoft flight simulator that I have played. Air combat maneuvers seemed like a joke, I didn't see any strategy for the game, and it's a pay to win. Within 20 minutes of playing I could tell this game was for novices new to flying airplanes and new to flight simulators.
AH definitely takes more skill to master, has a much better overall war concept idea with the big map, taking bases and towns to win, and a win war type atmosphere. If you are actually into flying and enjoy a game that takes practice, experience, and skill to learn how to play. I wouldn't even waste my time with WT
I thought WT sucked all the way around. Just my 2 cents.
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Well, the consensus seems to be:
1. WT Sucks
2. Their arenas are pretty arcade-y
3. Their players suck
4. Their flight models suck
This makes me feel pretty good about my intuitive take on the game. I just felt like it was a hollow experience. You people have provided me with rationale.
On the up side, I didn't feel as guilty leaving it as I did the mannequins.
Tonight: more stick time in the beloved g-14. I may even take a 410 up.
One other thing: I seem to recall a frequent flier a couple of years back who, at least Saturday nights, always seemed to be audibly drunken and swearing. I'm happy to say, everyone was a paragon of reasonably acceptable behavior last night. The bar may be low, but it was easily cleared.
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I wanted to like WT because I can actually find combat at the times I am able to play (striking difference to AH), and the graphics are gorgeous (again, a striking difference).
However, the flight model just felt terrible to me. Maybe if I had not played AH for years as my first flight sim, I would have been OK... :(
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One other thing: I seem to recall a frequent flier a couple of years back who, at least Saturday nights, always seemed to be audibly drunken and swearing. I'm happy to say, everyone was a paragon of reasonably acceptable behavior last night. The bar may be low, but it was easily cleared.
If drinking isn't making someone audibly *happy*, they should try another substance, probably one derived from leaves. That's just common sense.
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Plus zack1234 plays Aces High not War Thunder. :old:
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I played with a/c I knew from here in AH but when I closed and fired from 300 to 0 FT with a KI61 on an A20 and I was shredded by his top computer controlled gun and he kept goin with one smoking engine that was its last straw with me.
Setting up a joystick was like trying to preform surgery in the dark you were doing something and you hoped it turned out right which it almost never did.
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Actually, Vudu, setting up my joystick was my first clue as well. To fly the He51, which you'd think relatively easy, required several iterations. Why? Because the thing seemed incredibly sensitive to roll input. Thus, I turned the roll sensitivity DOWN from roughly the midpoint. Wrong answer... It needed to be turned up. Silly me, I took that metric as meaning a type of gain, stick to aileron.
As for the drunken unhappy player, that was exactly my beef. It's just so unseemly for him to be peeing in everyone else's cornflakes over a mismatch like that. I mean, immersion requires something other than a state called blotto. Why ruin everyone else's trip down history lane?
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Plus zack1234 plays Aces High not War Thunder. :old:
Yes this thread has ended :old:
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There are no pies stored in this plane overnight :O why not??????????
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WT did nothing for me. I found it "cheesy".
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I played with a/c I knew from here in AH but when I closed and fired from 300 to 0 FT with a KI61 on an A20 and I was shredded by his top computer controlled gun and he kept goin with one smoking engine that was its last straw with me.
Setting up a joystick was like trying to preform surgery in the dark you were doing something and you hoped it turned out right which it almost never did.
That's because it was never designed to be played with flight sim controllers. It was designed to be played on the pirated smartphones of high schoolers in China.
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That's because it was never designed to be played with flight sim controllers. It was designed to be played on the pirated smartphones of high schoolers in China.
LMAO I can see this, and Id have to agree. :cheers:
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It wouldn't be that bad of a game if it wasn't War Thunder... :)
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There are no pies stored in this plane overnight :O why not??????????
Health and Saftey
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That's because it was never designed to be played with flight sim controllers. It was designed to be played on the pirated smartphones of high schoolers in China.
:lol truth.
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I enjoy FRB.
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I enjoy FRB.
I enjoy FRB as well. When I'm not stuck in the queue for 20 minutes. Or when we're stuck with Russian vs Germany like we have for the last 10 odd days (I dislike both Russian and German planes)
Arcade and 'Realistic' Battles are just right out. Playing with a stick/cockpit is just pure frustration against mouseaim/thirdperson when you've got more than one person to deal with.
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They should call it full real ack running.
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They should call it full real ack running.
:rofl
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They should call it full real ack running.
I didn't play WT long enough to get into a FRB (only played for about 20 minutes and it takes about 30-40mins to get into a FRB), but I've heard that people in there run to ack harder than people in AH2! :rolleyes:
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:headscratch: I've never witnessed an undamaged aircraft in WT run to ack, unlike AH :/
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Really? That's all I saw, everybody fighting at treetop level (so you can't see them) over ack.
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I enjoy FRB as well. When I'm not stuck in the queue for 20 minutes. Or when we're stuck with Russian vs Germany like we have for the last 10 odd days (
Hmm... I haven't seen such long waiting time in queue. Did you choose all available servers in options? Or may be the plane you trying to enter in arena is too odd??
It was 10-12 minutes for me when I was trying to enter FRB (which is now called Simulator Battle SB) in He-51 ;) I did it on purpose to hide myself among the low level drones and to give some i-153 pilots a hard time in furballs :) But if you choose the planes smarter and put random country choice in options - you will be in battle in a couple of minutes. For example choose Bf-109F1 on German side , Yak-1b on Russian side and with random country choice it is a guaranteed quick start.
I dislike both Russian and German planes
If you dislike them so much you may consider buying P-39K (single payment $6) or P-40E even cheaper to play on the Russian side.
Or if you are rich P-63A-5 for $10 ;)
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You have admitted it, its crap
10 minute wait time like a fairground ride :rofl
I got beta invite it was garbage, but probly a good commercial venture :)
its no consequence to me either way :old:
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WT is a pc version of an iphone game I used to have. You fight in external view, you gain levels, you earn points with which you buy upgrades, special ammo, and other, better planes. It's free to play but you can buy upgrades with real money. WT is by no means a sim. The type of consumer that would be interested in WT would not be interested in AH, and vice versa.
Please come back after you try WT for real and not just flounder about in the free to play arcade arena lol.
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Why? It wouldn't change the facts. And by the way I got most of my kills in FRB I never played arcade again after my first day. Please come back after you try metalstorm, the smartphone version that inspired WT. FRB is just an addon that was requested by a very small percentage of players, well less than a percent actually. FRB is an afterthought, and it shows.
Metalstorm-You fight in external view, you gain levels, you earn points with which you buy upgrades, special ammo, and other, better planes. It's free to play but you can buy upgrades with real money.
WT-You fight in external view, you gain levels, you earn points with which you buy upgrades, special ammo, and other, better planes. It's free to play but you can buy upgrades with real money. Oh and now there is FRB where you have to wait several minutes to play provided you don't get booted from timeout, to play a quick fight in a small H2H arena where ext view is disabled and joysticks won't work worth a damn because it's a game that was never designed to be played with flight sim controllers and everybody hides at treetop level because there are no icons and won't leave their ack. And if that wasn't bad enough the game is still very much WT.
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Why? It wouldn't change the facts. And by the way I got most of my kills in FRB I never played arcade again after my first day. Please come back after you try metalstorm, the smartphone version that inspired WT. FRB is just an addon that was requested by a very small percentage of players, well less than a percent actually. FRB is an afterthought, and it shows.
Metalstorm-You fight in external view, you gain levels, you earn points with which you buy upgrades, special ammo, and other, better planes. It's free to play but you can buy upgrades with real money.
WT-You fight in external view, you gain levels, you earn points with which you buy upgrades, special ammo, and other, better planes. It's free to play but you can buy upgrades with real money. Oh and now there is FRB where you have to wait several minutes to play provided you don't get booted from timeout, to play a quick fight in a small H2H arena where ext view is disabled and joysticks won't work worth a damn because it's a game that was never designed to be played with flight sim controllers and everybody hides at treetop level because there are no icons and won't leave their ack. And if that wasn't bad enough the game is still very much WT.
So you actually have played WT??? :headscratch:
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The answer is in that post you quoted in the form of an ingeniously obscure riddle. If you muster your deductive powers I'm confident you can find it.
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Please come back after you try WT for real and not just flounder about in the free to play arcade arena lol.
you mean the free to play arace arena is fake? just curious, if WT is so much better why do you keep hanging around here? you dont see me hanging around my ex-wife do you?
semp
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The answer is in that post you quoted in the form of an ingeniously obscure riddle. If you muster your deductive powers I'm confident you can find it.
Eh, I have my moments. :) Well, I have a lot of moments. :D
I couldn't place FRB. :bhead
Regardless, to each their own. I myself enjoy WT's arcade-y bit from time to time when I just want some arcade-y action. But that does get kinda stale after a little bit. Once I run that outta my system, I come back to AH for the rich depth of awesomeness that is strategic gameplay.
The thing is, despite a bunch of folks here bashing the hell outta WT, I always see one thing when I log into WT: 10,000+ Online. Since it is Saturday, currently 40,000+ Online. Now AH has the one up on both WoT and WT; we have GV's long implemented with our Air. Can go as far as to say we have a naval aspect with the PT-Boat, but... If I am seeing the new terrain update correctly (though it is probably me hoping), it looks like HiTech is finally ready to dive more into the Naval side of warfare. :x
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I thought you were being sarcastic.
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you mean the free to play arace arena is fake? just curious, if WT is so much better why do you keep hanging around here? you dont see me hanging around my ex-wife do you?
semp
If you can't understand the difference between arcade and simulation mode, it's pretty much your own problem. I don't play any games currently and yes, some people actually bang their exes.
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If you can't understand the difference between arcade and simulation mode, it's pretty much your own problem. I don't play any games currently and yes, some people actually bang their exes.
perhaps you dont understand both arcade and simulation are fake. just as fake as thinking banging your exwife is better than it was when you were married.
semp
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I thought you were being sarcastic.
Actually my brain is on the fritz. Tired as spork but unable to go back to sleep. :bhead Oh well. I'm not hammering you or anything.
While I did start WT a ways back, I have not bothered playing it a bunch until recently. Hell, I'm only "level" 8. The last time I was on before my current go was when you had to gain levels in each country to unlock the higher tier planes. Not the current research thing they have now. All the player level does now, it seems, is unlock more profile pics and what-not. I do sit there and wonder how awesome some of these planes will be in AH though. :x
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WT sux
Spitfire leak energy too fast. Most flight models sux. Maybe is fun with Japan planes and 109F model. I love kill p39 with my KI 43 :D
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/547/rpqd.jpg)
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WT sux
Spitfire leak energy too fast. Most flight models sux. Maybe is fun with Japan planes and 109F model. I love kill p39 with my KI 43 :D
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/547/rpqd.jpg)
Of course it's fun in the 109F, the beastly thing being the way it is.
Oh... Er.... Sorry Latrobe!
:noid
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Of course it's fun in the 109F, the beastly thing being the way it is.
Oh... Er.... Sorry Latrobe!
:noid
109F2 is beast there but I will back to main arena :rock :rock
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Of course it's fun in the 109F, the beastly thing being the way it is.
Oh... Er.... Sorry Latrobe!
:noid
I've avoided the f4 up 'til now because of the damn headrest... But I've been flying it lately. I went through some very ugly first several missions with it. However, after some good experiences tonight, I'm about to stop trying to get muscle memory around a reliable "check 6" motion with my trackir and just map the damn view to a key, one for each side.
The thing is very likely the best balance in game: good top end, climb, turn rate, ballistics ( though perhaps a gun short of adequate snapshot firepower) , and roll rate ( though not vomit- inducing). It's just a shame about the views. Anyway, I've found that low dogfighting with later model spitties is not beyond the pale for Mr. Franz. I don't know that it would make sense against the mk 8 , but I don't see those nearly as often.
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I play WT all the time its awesome :old:
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I play WT all the time its awesome :old:
You're playing it as you post, aren't you?
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Yes
I get my butler to play it for me :old:
780000 play it :old:
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perhaps you dont understand both arcade and simulation are fake. just as fake as thinking banging your exwife is better than it was when you were married.
semp
Based on your expert opinion, which parameters in the WT flight model makes it fake compared to AH2 and compared to real world aircraft (which you never flew obviously) :D
Where WT falls flat on its face is the view system which sucks for anyone not using trackir or oculus rift and the controller setup which is very clumsy.
Oh, and the fact that nobody flies the 'simulation' full realism mode. Only 10 or so players.