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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Nimrod45 on February 23, 2014, 04:09:09 PM
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I am thinking about putting a computer together for the first time. Could I get some feedback on this parts list from more experienced people, I read reviews and didnt see any glaring issues. Also am I missing anything or do I have anything I dont need. My goal is to be able to do normal internet surfing and play Aces High and similar games. I will be the only user, if that even matters. Affordablitly is a major consideration. This parts list is running about $750. Thank you ahead of time for your time and effort on my behalf.
CPU
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core
CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
Storage
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Video Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
Sound Card
Asus Xonar DG
Case
Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower
Case Fan
Cooler Master Megaflow 110.0 CFM 200mm
Power Supply
Corsair 500W ATX12V
Optical Drive
Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
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Personally Id stay away from AMD. Some people have had issues with the game while using AMD. Also, I think you could do a bit better price wise too, tho I haven't been chasing the sites for parts and prices. As an example,
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadvanquish.asp?id=927561
This one is built, tested, and guarantee and will do what you listed fine.
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This being your first time, is it because you are "WANTING TO BUILD IT YOURSELF", verses building it yourself just to try and save money....
I am not a fan of Seagate, I would recommend going with either Western Digital "Black" series Hard Drives or Hitachi Hard Drives
As for AMD, I have built more than 40 computers using AMD Processors, and have yet to have a problem with any of my personal computers or any computers I have built for others
more than a handful plays Aces High, and none have ever had a problem since I started helping others in AH , since about 2007 when I started helping AH Members with PC stuff ....
I have used AMD Processors exclusively outside of 2 Intel CPU type PC's for Aces High since 1999 , one for my past Father-in-Law a Celeron 333 built in '99 and my own current Intel i7-2600k (built in last part of 2011 ), in which my newest AMD PC which is 6 months older than the i7 Intel PC, is just as good playing AH today with the exception the AMD system is using a XFX 6870 1GB VC, the Intel i7 is using an XFX 6950 2 GB VC .....
I have only experienced 1 issue while using AMD, which was with the spinning clock/clipboard..... in which Aces High Support addressed us for a work around ( and this was not just for AMD users, it affected people using Intel PC's too ) back over like 10 years ago....
I must say though, I don't care whether I have AMD or INTEL, they both work and play the Aces High game..... AMD is just Cheaper, by far in some cases......
Proper researching of components , that are going to be combined to build the PC is critical, regardless if you are using INTEL or AMD ........ do your home work, research and be sure all components are reviewed as working well together without conflicts
Nimrod45, as long as you have done your homework, I do not think you will have any problems, not to say that at any given time a problem can jump up and bite you in the behind regardless of the Brand CPU type, component type, etc..... even if you bought a pre-built System from BestBuy, Walmart, DELL< or any online custom Gaming PC Building company....
Just my views on the matter,
Also be sure you have enough "Clean Power" for your PC components ..... not WAY too much overkill and not just what is needed either....
Hope This Helps
Good Luck
TC
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Look at this one from just a couple days ago:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359320.0.html
I also agree intel instead of AMD. Prices between the two aren't all that different but intel has lately had more speed and stability. If the $20-$40 you save by going AMD instead of Intel is that big of a deal, maybe you should come up with a better budget for your whole life or put off the computer purchase a while longer. Just sayin...
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I want to do a build to gain knowledge, I'm in the dark on computers and I want to change that. Also after looking at things it quickly became apparent that you can get a lot more bang for your buck by buying the components separate and putting them together than by buying a package deal. As for my finances they are nicely in order, that is really not my issue. The reason I am wanting to save as much as possible is the only real reason I am wanting to build a second computer is that where I work I am away from home for two weeks at a time so I can't play AH while I am there, so I am building a comp to take to work with me so I can enjoy the game while I am away. I just cant justify digging to dang deep into the piggy bank just so I can play a game that I seem to be addicted to and feel silly for. From the Reviews I read the AMD CPU I selected which only cost $119 comes close to matching Intel CPU's that coct $250 and up. That is a big savings not just $20.
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Updated, this is what my build will be. $837.
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
Sound Card Asus Xonar DG
Case. Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply Rosewill 450W ATX12V / EPS12V
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
I think this will be a lot of fun.
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Updated, this is what my build will be. $837.
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
Sound Card Asus Xonar DG
Case. Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply Rosewill 450W ATX12V / EPS12V
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
I think this will be a lot of fun.
Would have guessed that PSU wouldn't be enough, surprising.
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Stay away from that Rosewill PSU. You have been warned! :old:
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Okay, updated once more, thank you for the advice given on the PSU. Another question, do I need the sound card and am I missing anything??
CPU
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core
CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
Storage
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Video Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
Sound Card
Asus Xonar DG
Case
Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply
SeaSonic 550W ATX12V / EPS12V
Optical Drive
Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
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I'd say skip the sound card and see if you're happy with the mobo onboard sound first. Onboard sound is hit or miss sometimes. If you get lucky, it works and is good enough. If not, then you really don't lose anything by having to go back and buy a sound card later on.
I loved the sound of my soundblaster audigy2, but about 3 rebuilds/upgrades ago I realized that I was spending almost an hour each build fighting with the ridiculous creative drivers and add-on crapware. So I tried onboard sound, and for the last 2 upgrades and one complete new build the onboard sound has been good enough. Yea, the little windows starting up and login tune sometimes crackles a bit due to general onboard sound suckiness, but once the computer is fully awake I have had no problems with the onboard sound that are bad enough to make me want to add a standalone soundcard.
So I'd say skip the sound card initially and see if onboard sound is good enough. If it is, then you save some $$$. If not, just add it later.
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I'd say skip the sound card and see if you're happy with the mobo onboard sound first. Onboard sound is hit or miss sometimes. If you get lucky, it works and is good enough. If not, then you really don't lose anything by having to go back and buy a sound card later on.---
This ^ . I have a decent pair of headphones and the only extra "noise" I can hear comes from monitoring the microphone which I have quite loud in order not to shout to hear my own voice during a fight. The hum is inaudible when there's something else to hear in the phones, or if I check the mute box for microphone monitoring. A separate sound card may produce some special effects for ear candy, but to true audiophiles any sound device inside the computer case is a definite no.
I've always been in the belief that if the windows login tune crackles, there's something potentially unwanted going on in the background, eating resources. Or just too little oomph in the computer to be able to run the startup tasks in due time.
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I have that exact sound card and find it works quite well! It wasnt very expesive either. Onboard sound does use some cpu cycles so that was reason enough for me to go with a SC.
:salute
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This ^ . I have a decent pair of headphones and the only extra "noise" I can hear comes from monitoring the microphone which I have quite loud in order not to shout to hear my own voice during a fight. The hum is inaudible when there's something else to hear in the phones, or if I check the mute box for microphone monitoring. A separate sound card may produce some special effects for ear candy, but to true audiophiles any sound device inside the computer case is a definite no.
Bizman, Sir, what do you mean by True audiophiles not wanting any sound device / add-on cards / etc... inside the computer case? Are you referring to the Sound Card using a PCI or PCIe slot on the MB inside the PC?
just curious
I've always been in the belief that if the windows login tune crackles, there's something potentially unwanted going on in the background, eating resources. Or just too little oomph in the computer to be able to run the startup tasks in due time.
I agree to a degree, with you Bizman, but also think that it shows signs of something wrong going on in the PSU department of the Computer..... Challenge was the person to originally bring this to my attention, when I had gotten a hold of a PC Power & Cooling PSU after they were bought out ( think it was actually an OCZ PSU with PC Power and Cooling decals, iirc )
Nimrod, I agree with eagl, regarding possibly waiting on the soundcard , to see if you are ok with the onboard sound provided by the MB
as for the ASUS Xonar Sound card, I love the 2 models I have, and one of my PC's has the same model you are wanting to purchase/have listed in your build /order sheet
I'm glad you got away from that Rosewill PSU and went with the Seasonic PSU
As for PC Cases, Their are some cases that are made pretty darn good, without having the Corsair, Thermaltake, Antec, Cooler Master, etc... Brand Names..... I do however prefer my Thermaltake Level10 GT model cases and also my Antec 900's & 1200's both the Thermal take and the antec cases have some of the best cooling abilities, comes with more than enough cooling fans both intake and exhaust and the added features of each fan has it's own easy pull filter screen.... the cases ( especially the Level 10 GT ) cost somewhat more... but you do really get what you pay for in this particular matter...
As far as Going with a 6 Core CPU verses a Quad Core ( 4 core ) CPU... mostof the AMD CPU's I have purchased since 2011 have been able to unlock and go from like my AMD 555 dual core will actually run as a quad core, and my AMD Phenom II Q975 3.6 GHz quadcore will unlock and run as a 6 core......... the Q975 will run easily at 4.8GHz on Air and stay well under its Max Temp. Limits even when unlocked and using 6 cores ........ I had it to go 5.1 on Air and it ran stable , but I only left it their for bout an HR......... then I turned it back to it's default....
I do not see any advantage in having a 6 core, I am of the opinion that quad core is more than enough and to add, I do not care for having any type of GPU ( or APU ) built in with the CPU........ I wish I had bout the i7 CPU that did not have the on chip graphics....... I don't have a need or use for it.... just my thoughts on the matter
I still would encourage you to seriously think about going at least with the Western Digital "Black " series HD, and suggest you shy away from that Seagate HD
as for your DVD RW burner...... I have used that particular model in every build going back to when it was IDE before SATA, then I stepped up to BluRay Burner rewriter w/ Lightscribe by ASUS
Good Luck in your First Build, Nimrod
TC
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The last sound card I got was some sort of "razor" brand or something like that. Very highly reviewed, and then the company went out of business and their products didn't get picked up by any other company. So I ended up with a very nice sound card that only had winXP drivers. It's still probably one of the "best" sound cards out there, but without drivers its just a paperweight.
Some of the high end soundcards have all sorts of shielding, physical separation of components, power conditioning, etc. They're pretty expensive though, and for most of them the reviewers complained about bloatware in the drivers that end up eliminating the gains you get from offloading sound processing from the cpu to the sound card.
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Bizman, Sir, what do you mean by True audiophiles not wanting any sound device / add-on cards / etc... inside the computer case? Are you referring to the Sound Card using a PCI or PCIe slot on the MB inside the PC?
just curious
Yes, I mean cards in pci(-e) slots. Eagl seems to have been educating himself on the same sort of paths: There's always some sort of electromagnetic interference inside a case and although weak it may cause issues within the very small distances and at best nominal shielding. The case itself makes a Faraday cage which prevents the EMI to disturb devices outside the case. Thus a True audiophile will listen to his losslessly compressed audio files via an external DAC connected with an oxygen free silver USB cable to his high end dedicated computer, carefully balanced on adjustable spikes on a solid piece of floor...
I agree to a degree, with you Bizman, but also think that it shows signs of something wrong going on in the PSU department of the Computer...
My bad I didn't mention that. Must have been that I was merely thinking about elderly laptops, since I rarely have the speakers on until really needed on a desktop. OTOH doesn't oomph include power? If not, I'd have to revisit my Oompaloompian dictionary...