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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Randy1 on February 26, 2014, 12:05:24 PM
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Increase an unpainted P38L's top speed by 8 MPH due to a reduction in skin drag and therefore the drag coefficient
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-u-s-army-air-forces-strips-its-planes-of-paint/
Actually the speed could be slightly higher since the area of the P38 is larger than the implied P51B test plane.
The unpainted weight reduction is a wash since I found suggestions that the frame on the L was beefed up to carry larger bombs than the "J" although I can't confirm that.
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Increase an unpainted P38L's top speed by 8 MPH due to a reduction in skin drag and therefore the drag coefficient
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-u-s-army-air-forces-strips-its-planes-of-paint/
Actually the speed could be slightly higher since the area of the P38 is larger than the implied P51B test plane.
The unpainted weight reduction is a wash since I found suggestions that the frame on the L was beefed up to carry larger bombs than the "J" although I can't confirm that.
There was nothing in that article that said the P-38L's speed was increased by 8mph, nor anything about the P-38L being able to take a heavier ordnance load than the J due to being unpainted.
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Paint adds weight to anthing painted. The B-24, et al, really adds weight.
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There was nothing in that article that said the P-38L's speed was increased by 8mph, nor anything about the P-38L being able to take a heavier ordnance load than the J due to being unpainted.
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Best I can tell is the mustang was the bases for the test to qualify any performance increase of unpainted aircraft in general. The air Force paints specs were changed. Skin drag of a painted equates plane to plane if the paint specs are the same albeit the area drag is different.
My note on the weight was just an added bit of info. The weight difference must have been small between a painted pref lap mod J and an unpainted L.
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Randy1,
If HTC were to simulate the adverse effects of applying paint to an aircraft, then all of the players would be inclined to fly only bare metal skins on airplanes (if available) in AH. Now that wouldn't be fun, would it? Everyone would fly that bare metal paint scheme to get the best performance. There wouldn't be that added diversity of representing different historical fighter groups.
Part of what makes this game stand out is the fact that their players make contributions by skinning aircraft for others in the community to use.
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Randy1,
If HTC were to simulate the adverse effects of applying paint to an aircraft, then all of the players would be inclined to fly only bare metal skins on airplanes (if available) in AH. Now that wouldn't be fun, would it? Everyone would fly that bare metal paint scheme to get the best performance. There wouldn't be that added diversity of representing different historical fighter groups.
Part of what makes this game stand out is the fact that their players make contributions by skinning aircraft for others in the community to use.
^What he said, which is what I said in the other thread about this. -100
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Increase an unpainted P38L's top speed by 8 MPH due to a reduction in skin drag and therefore the drag coefficient
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-u-s-army-air-forces-strips-its-planes-of-paint/
Actually the speed could be slightly higher since the area of the P38 is larger than the implied P51B test plane.
The unpainted weight reduction is a wash since I found suggestions that the frame on the L was beefed up to carry larger bombs than the "J" although I can't confirm that.
:airplane: Just for giggles, google weight of paint on a Boeing 747, it'll knock your socks off! I know paint adds a lot of weight, but jezz!
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Anybody notice that most all of the reno racers are fully painted?
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The mil thickness and weight per gallon are way less than WW2. I think it is like 5 pounds vs 30 pounds.
An Air Force test showed a painted, sanded and waxed B17 flies faster than a plain, unpainted, unpolished plane.
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If you need another 8 m.p.h. to fly the P-38L well aren't you, err, sort of, doing it wrong? :old:
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If you need another 8 m.p.h. to fly the P-38L well aren't you, err, sort of, doing it wrong? :old:
Just asking for what should be. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Just asking for what should be. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I don't believe you've established it should be 8 m.p.h. faster.
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I don't believe you've established it should be 8 m.p.h. faster.
Shh, Shida. If we can convince HTC that he's right we can claim the Ki-84 and Ki-61 bare metal skins deserve a decent speed bump too. :noid
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Shh, Shida. If we can convince HTC that he's right we can claim the Ki-84 and Ki-61 bare metal skins deserve a decent speed bump too. :noid
Then that means the bare metal P-38J I fly should also get a speed bump. :aok
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Then that means the bare metal P-38J I fly should also get a speed bump. :aok
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No, you're plenty fast enough already. :noid
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No, you're plenty fast enough already. :noid
Only after I eat Mexican food and use the gas as added thrust. Hey, maybe we can get that modeled?
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Increase an unpainted P38L's top speed by 8 MPH due to a reduction in skin drag and therefore the drag coefficient
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-u-s-army-air-forces-strips-its-planes-of-paint/
Actually the speed could be slightly higher since the area of the P38 is larger than the implied P51B test plane.
The unpainted weight reduction is a wash since I found suggestions that the frame on the L was beefed up to carry larger bombs than the "J" although I can't confirm that.
You misread the article. Only polished aircraft, regardless of paint, show reduced drag from skin friction. You are also assuming that top speeds in game are from unpolished aircraft.
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Shh, Shida. If we can convince HTC that he's right we can claim the Ki-84 and Ki-61 bare metal skins deserve a decent speed bump too. :noid
I think there's too much speed and not enough fight in the MA already :old:
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I think there's too much speed and not enough fight in the MA already :old:
..Fair point. :salute
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Then that means the bare metal P-38J I fly should also get a speed bump. :aok
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Default skin model.
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Anybody notice that most all of the reno racers are fully painted?
Indeed, no doubt with perfectly smoothed paint jobs in good condition and waxed to perfection. Probably easier to keep bare metal slick under service conditions. Still no to the OP's wish though.
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The mil thickness and weight per gallon are way less than WW2. I think it is like 5 pounds vs 30 pounds.
An Air Force test showed a painted, sanded and waxed B17 flies faster than a plain, unpainted, unpolished plane.
Dago Red and Voodoo had up to 30 gallons of bondo on them and one had 11 layers of different paint jobs.