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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Vraciu on February 28, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
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Requesting a modification to the LW:Main Arena side switch timeout.
- No penalty for switching to the side with lower numbers.
- 12-hour in-country time limit for map victory perks.
Would prefer seeing it totally eliminated but that may be a bridge too far (although most seem in favor of ditching it altogether).
See this thread for other suggestions.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359602.0.html
EMI =ENY (My autoincorrect kept changing it and I didn't notice.)
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Good lord, how many threads do you need at the same time for this? Give it a rest already.
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Good lord, how many threads do you need at the same time for this? Give it a rest already.
Overreact much?
Sheesh.
That thread was the discussion regarding the problem seeking a solution. This thread is the formal request to implement a specific change.
Have a nice day. :salute
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Overreact much?
Sheesh.
That thread was the discussion regarding the problem seeking a solution. This thread is the formal request to implement a specific change.
Have a nice day. :salute
Oh, Ok, then in that case...
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Especially because you posted this 15 minutes after the thread here on the same dang subject.
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- 12-hour in-country time limit for map victory perks.
I'm pretty sure this is how it is set now in the LW arena.
As for the "Formal Request", anything in the wish list is considered a formal request from a player. Adding a "formal" to it isn't going to give the idea any more of a chance of going through.
If HTC deems it something he would change, he will, if not he won't. Look at how many times the this topic has been brought up and the time limitation is STILL in place.
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I'm pretty sure this is how it is set now in the LW arena.
As for the "Formal Request", anything in the wish list is considered a formal request from a player. Adding a "formal" to it isn't going to give the idea any more of a chance of going through.
If HTC deems it something he would change, he will, if not he won't. Look at how many times the this topic has been brought up and the time limitation is STILL in place.
Do you enjoy inventing things to nitpick?
I didn't add the word formal to gain favor. It isn't even in my original post. I just used it to explain to MISTER-KNOW-IT-ALL the purpose of this thread and this section of the forum. Here, let me quote it for you:
REQUESTS FOR NEW FEATURES.
The other thread was brainstorming. This one is the actual request.
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I didn't add the word formal request to gain favor. It isn't even in my original post. I just used it to explain to MISTER-KNOW-IT-ALL the purpose of this thread and this section of the forum. Here, let me quote it for you:
REQUESTS FOR NEW FEATURES.
The other thread was brainstorming. This one is the actual request.
As I said, any thread asking/wishing for something IS a request. Adding another thread makes it fall under rule# 3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
You push and bark about things and people who have been here for a long time point out the answers, or give suggestions that you can't be bothered with reading, never mind accepting they may be right and you are not.
Most of us are just trying to help, hey to each his own.
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I'm with Vraciu on this. Tired of being stuck where there are no fights, and where nobody will up even when I attack their field.
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As I said, any thread asking/wishing for something IS a request. Adding another thread makes it fall under rule# 3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
You push and bark about things and people who have been here for a long time point out the answers, or give suggestions that you can't be bothered with reading, never mind accepting they may be right and you are not.
Most of us are just trying to help, hey to each his own.
I don't know what you are even talking about. I came in here and posted. There was no other thread on the topic. I was not duplicating anything.
The thread in General Discussion was a discussion not a request. That is not duplication.
Maybe I missed something here...
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I don't know what you are even talking about. I came in here and posted. There was no other thread on the topic. I was not duplicating anything.
The thread in General Discussion was a discussion not a request. That is not duplication.
smh
What's he's saying is if you say anything on these forums it's pretty much counted as a wish, even if it isn't an OP or intentional.
I want to see sheep gunners.
^ Bam, wish right there.
That is what fugitive is saying. Please tell me that you get it.
Also it is a duplicate, because there are multiple other wishes and thread posts that talk on the same topic. Meaning, if they cover the same topic and you make another one, it's considered a duplicate by the forums, even if you don't consider it to be one, doesn't mean it isn't.
Here are the other 'duplicates'.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359602.0.html (You already covered the topic here).
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359671.0.html
Just in the last few days. 3 separate posts on the same topic.
:cheers:
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smh
What's he's saying is if you say anything on these forums it's pretty much counted as a wish, even if it isn't an OP or intentional.
I want to see sheep gunners.
^ Bam, wish right there.
That is what fugitive is saying. Please tell me that you get it.
Also it is a duplicate, because there are multiple other wishes and thread posts that talk on the same topic. Meaning, if they cover the same topic and you make another one, it's considered a duplicate by the forums, even if you don't consider it to be one, doesn't mean it isn't.
Here are the other 'duplicates'.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359602.0.html (You already covered the topic here).
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,359671.0.html
Just in the last few days. 3 separate posts on the same topic.
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Well, if that's how it is here fine. I was merely following what seemed to be self-evident guidelines. Game change requests = Wishlist as stated in the heading.
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Well, if that's how it is here fine. I was merely following what seemed to be self-evident guidelines. Game change requests = Wishlist as stated in the heading.
Wasn't flaming you, was just explaining. Sorry if I appeared condescending/insulting. :salute
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Wasn't flaming you, was just explaining. Sorry if I appeared condescending/insulting. :salute
No sweat. I see what you guys mean now. :cheers:
Although I find it hard to believe Skuzzy can read every post. Yikes. That was another reason I posted here.
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No sweat. I see what you guys mean now. :cheers:
Although I find it hard to believe Skuzzy can read every post. Yikes. That was another reason I posted here.
Not to belittle Skuzzy, but he has very little to do with the game. He is the network, web guy. But he does read a lot of the boards as he's the main guy taking care of it.
Hitech as well as Waffle and Superfly and Pyro, the art and coad writers DO read the boards as well. HTC is a very "hands on" company and watches whats going on very closely.
You can be pretty sure if the idea has merit THEY WILL see it. If its the same idea that someone posted last week and the one before..... wellll
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Not to belittle Skuzzy, but he has very little to do with the game. He is the network, web guy. But he does read a lot of the boards as he's the main guy taking care of it.
Hitech as well as Waffle and Superfly and Pyro, the art and coad writers DO read the boards as well. HTC is a very "hands on" company and watches whats going on very closely.
You can be pretty sure if the idea has merit THEY WILL see it. If its the same idea that someone posted last week and the one before..... wellll
I hope they see it. I hope more they will change it. It is driving a lot of us nuts, especially the crowd that plays with low numbers.
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I hope they see it. I hope more they will change it. It is driving a lot of us nuts, especially the crowd that plays with low numbers.
I can guarantee you they've seen it. Like someone else said, it comes up pretty much weekly. Every permutation of it has been discussed. For whatever reason, they're standing fast on the issue.
Wiley.
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I hope they see it. I hope more they will change it. It is driving a lot of us nuts, especially the crowd that plays with low numbers.
I have a question? why dont you save your switching time for let's say late at night when you have really low numbers?
semp
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I have a question? why dont you save your switching time for let's say late at night when you have really low numbers?
semp
Because we fly as a squadron. We don't always join the game at the same time. Some of the guys may have switched to Knights several hours before I come on. So I switch from Bish to Knights and my timer is not in synch with theirs.
Or we switch during peak to balance out the numbers only to find that four hours later we are now off-peak high side with nobody to fight.
It is impossible to predict which side will have numbers. We always go to the low one but that doesn't hold indefinitely as people come and go.
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Because we fly as a squadron. We don't always join the game at the same time. Some of the guys may have switched to Knights several hours before I come on. So I switch from Bish to Knights and my timer is not in synch with theirs.
Or we switch during peak to balance out the numbers only to find that four hours later we are. Ow off-peak high side with nobody to fight.
It is impossible to predict which side will have numbers. We always go to the low one but that doesn't hold indefinitely as people come and go.
dude you guys are a squadron. dont you communicate with each other? I have yet to see most of my squadron not on the same side. as for the "we balance the numbers" I call that bs. i have seen you on the high side a lot. oh sorry that's cause of the 12 hour switch time :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
semp
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dude you guys are a squadron. dont you communicate with each other? I have yet to see most of my squadron on the same side. as for the "we balance the numbers" I call that bs. i have seen you on the high side a lot. oh sorry that's cause of the 12 hour switch time :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
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Correct. Or if the disparity is slight. If it is 57 -54 - 60 and we are on the 60 we won't burn our one chance to switch over that.
Glad you read what I wrote and subliminally reposted it. I will requote part of it for you.
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Or we switch during peak to balance out the numbers only to find that four hours later we are now off-peak high side with nobody to fight.
It is impossible to predict which side will have numbers. We always go to the low one but that doesn't hold indefinitely as people come and go.
Admittedly I prefer Bish because I started there, but I switch when my squaddies do. Our objective is to find a fight not bore holes in empty air.
Also, unlike you, I don't live on the game. I work for a living. My squad mates are all over the world. "Hey, we switched to Knights" in an email doesn't do me any good when I am four hours away from even logging on or haven't played in a few days. How you got the notion we don't communicate is beyond me.
Let me try to explain it slowwwwwwly. We don't all play at the same times from start to finish. We don't all play every single day. Some guys do and some don't. A guy can login after being away a few days and be on the wrong side. He switches and now everyone of our group gets stuck because we can only go as fast as the slowest man's timer. Got it?
(Gotta' love all these Internet wiseguys.) :rolleyes:
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A agree with the elimination of the side switch ......change it to 1 month and eliminate the 12 hour rule :old:
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Correct. Or if the disparity is slight. If it is 57 -54 - 60 and we are on the 60 we won't burn our one chance to switch over that.
Glad you read what I wrote and subliminally reposted it. I will requote part of it for you.
Admittedly I prefer Bish because i started there, but I switch when my squaddies do. Our objective is to find a fight not bore holes in empty air.
Also, unlike you, I don't live on the game. I work for a living. My squad mates are all over the world. "Hey, we switched to Knights" in an email doesn't do me any good when I am four hours away from even logging on or haven't played in a few days. How you got the notion we don't communicate is beyond me.
Let me try to explain it slowwwwwwly. We don't all play at the same times from start to finish. We don't all play every single day. Some guys do and some don't. A guy can login after being away a few days and be on the wrong side. He switches and now everyone of our group gets stuck because we can only go as fast as the slowest man's timer. Got it?
(Gotta' love all these Internet wiseguys.) :rolleyes:
sorry dude, I may not work as hard as you do. considering that I get 1 day off a week and every other week I get two days off. as I am currently working 11 or 12 days in a row with as many as 16 hours a day. I started working last tuesday and my next day off is next saturday. I'll be working today and have almost 50 hours of overtime in a two week period.
I was able to play with my squad last sunday and fell asleep during a mission as I was tired. I am looking forward to monday when I can log in in the afternoon and fly a couple with my squad. hopefully I wont fall asleep again.
and even with the little time I log in. I have yet to log in and be on the wrong side. I cant remember the last time I logged in and couldnt find a fight.
you got it? internet wise guy :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
semp
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Oh, Ok, then in that case...
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Especially because you posted this 15 minutes after the thread here on the same dang subject.
Gotta agree. Yeesh.
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sorry dude, I may not work as hard as you do. considering that I get 1 day off a week and every other week I get two days off. as I am currently working 11 or 12 days in a row with as many as 16 hours a day. I started working last tuesday and my next day off is next saturday. I'll be working today and have almost 50 hours of overtime in a two week period.
I was able to play with my squad last sunday and fell asleep during a mission as I was tired. I am looking forward to monday when I can log in in the afternoon and fly a couple with my squad. hopefully I wont fall asleep again.
and even with the little time I log in. I have yet to log in and be on the wrong side. I cant remember the last time I logged in and couldnt find a fight.
you got it? internet wise guy :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
semp
Your 50-hours a week job is obviously to troll the AH forums.
1/10, tbqh.
:rolleyes:
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Your 50-hours a week job is obviously to troll the AH forums.
1/10, tbqh.
:rolleyes:
well let's compare my 11 hours and 27 minutes against against your 3 days and 6 hours of playing the game in February. so you still want to argue who's busy at work?
last couple of months, you have played more hours than I do. I find this comment of yours so funny "I dont live the game, I work for a living".
anything else you want to argue about internet wise guy? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
semp
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You don't play the game. You live it. Troll it. Look up stats. Prob sleep with your stick. :rolleyes:
Thank you for proving my point.
And you still don't get the side-switch issue. You have so little time in-game that you are unqualified to comment. (Insert yawn.)
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well let's compare my 11 hours and 27 minutes against against your 3 days and 6 hours of playing the game in February. so you still want to argue who's busy at work?
last couple of months, you have played more hours than I do. I find this comment of yours so funny "I dont live the game, I work for a living".
anything else you want to argue about internet wise guy? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
semp
Guide to semping
1. Ignore every reasonable point in the post.
2. Reply by getting across semps point.
3. Become perplexed that posters don't get semps point of view.
4. goto 1
Semp you missed the point of Brooke's post I am gonna semplify it for you by puttin it in giant letters mkay?
I'll reword to be more precise:
It is useful after about 2 am Eastern time to be able to switch sides easily. Then, you can jump to a side to even up fights and to get fights, instead of being stuck on a side that has the overwhelming force in the fight. Note that I am now making no claims on the roster -- only what is observed in the fights. This is also based upon my direct experience, not suppositions on my part.
EDIT IN: (And Vraciu's among MANY MANY others....)
At prime time, there are no problems.
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Gotta agree. Yeesh.
Nothing to add...just wanted to say great avatar Fulcrum.....what is the image down in ur sig?
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Not to belittle Skuzzy, but he has very little to do with the game. He is the network, web guy. But he does read a lot of the boards as he's the main guy taking care of it.
Hitech as well as Waffle and Superfly and Pyro, the art and coad writers DO read the boards as well. HTC is a very "hands on" company and watches whats going on very closely.
You can be pretty sure if the idea has merit THEY WILL see it. If its the same idea that someone posted last week and the one before..... wellll
Look I think the OP is a bit of a gashole. However your last sentence is full of BS. I posted multiple threads on a particular subject. Pointing out a bug. Suggesting something related to it needed to be redone. I spent 2 years doing it. You were amongst the many detractors. It took a retired Navy pilot, that has flown many of the planes in here, that HTC wanted to hire . Saying "hlbly is right" for almost all of you to shut up. My idea had merit. The bug was acknowledged but nothing changed until the guy talked to HT and posted about it. The very next patch what I had been asking to see for years was implemented. Let me ask you this , how often do you think HT is up between midnight to five am to see what disaster LWMA is ? HT thinks FFB is a stupid gimmick. Told me so himself when the game was in beta. Told me he had no plans to add FFB at all. I do not understand the cheering section mentality at all. The 12 hour side switch rule I have never heard anything from HTC about the reasoning. It is his baby though so he does not have to give us one.
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Look I think the OP is a bit of a gashole. However your last sentence is full of BS. I posted multiple threads on a particular subject. Pointing out a bug. Suggesting something related to it needed to be redone. I spent 2 years doing it. You were amongst the many detractors. It took a retired Navy pilot, that has flown many of the planes in here, that HTC wanted to hire . Saying "hlbly is right" for almost all of you to shut up. My idea had merit. The bug was acknowledged but nothing changed until the guy talked to HT and posted about it. The very next patch what I had been asking to see for years was implemented. Let me ask you this , how often do you think HT is up between midnight to five am to see what disaster LWMA is ? HT thinks FFB is a stupid gimmick. Told me so himself when the game was in beta. Told me he had no plans to add FFB at all. I do not understand the cheering section mentality at all. The 12 hour side switch rule I have never heard anything from HTC about the reasoning. It is his baby though so he does not have to give us one.
First off, if your going to go off on a rant lets get the data strait. In the "Last line" where did I say it wasn't going to happen? Where did I say the OP doesn't have a chance in h@ll?
"You can be pretty sure if the idea has merit THEY WILL see it. If its the same idea that someone posted last week and the one before..... wellll "
It looks to me like I left the statement open on the end there. I may have insinuated "don't hold your breath" but I didn't say never, especially after we finally DID get the B29. How many years did that wish cover and how many wishes was that?
Second, please take the time out of your oh so busy scheduled and type out the words. What the heck is "FFB"?
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A agree with the elimination of the side switch ......change it to 1 month and eliminate the 12 hour rule :old:
How exactly would this improve the game? What is your reasoning behind adding this to the game? Is it perhaps.. "spiez"?
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Look I think the OP is a bit of a gashole. ...
Gee, thanks. Advocating for change on behalf of many and I am the bad guy. :headscratch:
:cheers:
:salute
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Nothing to add...just wanted to say great avatar Fulcrum.....what is the image down in ur sig?
It's a image from the movie 300 (being the movie was about Spartan HOPLITES). Unfortunatly it gets reduced in size so you can't make out that it's animated very well.
FYI - I went by "Hoplite" for my first five years in the game (much longer than Fulcrum). Decided to go back...kinda missed the old handle. :)
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Hey, looks like the side switch time limit is now just 1 hour and we can all thank Vraciu fo this, It twas his post on the subject (which was the 37,526'th time the subject was posted), that Hitech saw, (he didn't happen to notice the 37,525 prior subject posts) and immediately went, "Well, that will fix everything, I should have thought of this before"...
JUST KIDDING :)
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Hey, looks like the side switch time limit is now just 1 hour and we can all thank Vraciu fo this, It twas his post on the subject (which was the 37,526'th time the subject was posted), that Hitech saw, (he didn't happen to notice the 37,525 prior subject posts) and immediately went, "Well, that will fix everything, I should have thought of this before"...
JUST KIDDING :)
:furious :furious
I was gonna jump on just to see :rofl :rofl
you got me good :rofl
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LOL INK. Sorry :bolt:
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:furious :furious
I was gonna jump on just to see :rofl :rofl
you got me good :rofl
My heart started to leap only to crash like a one-winged Mustang... I got Rick rolled.
Glad to see the tone deaf attitude around here on this issue. :bolt:
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:salute Vraciu
BTW my first name IS Rick. Just teasing you a bit there mate, I mean absolutely nothing by it.
Vraciu is my friend :)
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:salute Vraciu
BTW my first name IS Rick. Just teasing you a bit there mate, I mean absolutely nothing by it.
Vraciu is my friend :)
Absolutely I am. All good. :cheers:
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LOL INK. Sorry :bolt:
:cheers:
got me laughing :D
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First off, if your going to go off on a rant lets get the data strait. In the "Last line" where did I say it wasn't going to happen? Where did I say the OP doesn't have a chance in h@ll?
"You can be pretty sure if the idea has merit THEY WILL see it. If its the same idea that someone posted last week and the one before..... wellll "
It looks to me like I left the statement open on the end there. I may have insinuated "don't hold your breath" but I didn't say never, especially after we finally DID get the B29. How many years did that wish cover and how many wishes was that?
Second, please take the time out of your oh so busy scheduled and type out the words. What the heck is "FFB"?
Your implication was that he has seen this wish and quit posting on it. Look again. If you do not know what FFB is, why did you post in almost every thread I started about it ?
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Hey, looks like the side switch time limit is now just 1 hour and we can all thank Vraciu fo this, It twas his post on the subject (which was the 37,526'th time the subject was posted), that Hitech saw, (he didn't happen to notice the 37,525 prior subject posts) and immediately went, "Well, that will fix everything, I should have thought of this before"...
JUST KIDDING :)
:furious got me good...you bistard :lol
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Maybe I have an issue reading....
Your implication was that he has seen this wish and quit posting on it.
Who is the "he" in the above statement?
Look again. If you do not know what FFB is, why did you post in almost every thread I started about it ?
As I still have no idea what "FFB" stands for I couldn't possible answer this question. I can speculate that in the "other threads" you have posted about it you may have taken the time to spell it out. But again, it's just a guess.
It's tough to have a coherent discussion with someone when they don't leave coherent posts.
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I would be prepared to bet that the 12 hour side switch limitation (combined with the declining player numbers) is the #1 or #2 reason for people cancelling their subscription to Aces High
(The other top reason being real life)
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Thw 12 hour limit has nothing to do with people canceling. The numbers were being lost long before the 12 hour limit was instituted.
Basically the 12 hour limit is being opposed by the many who dont like being punished by the actions of the few. The cheaters! It was very common to see players leave channel, or change countries, after a mission was posted and like clock work you'd see the same few guys in their 4 Hispano Typhie right on schedule, in the middle of nowhere, a quiet sector, to intercept a mission they had dishonestly changed countries to intercept. I actually stopped flying missions and even left the game in disgust.
However......
I believe it sad the many were punished due to the very few. Perhaps if the many would have acknowledged the obvious more vocally it could have been averted. But players, most of all the honest ones, put blinders on when these accusations happen and refuse to see the big picture. I myself dont agree with the 12 hour rule cause its to stringent but I understand the reasoning behind it.
The game lost players cause it failed to evolve and improve its graphics. The maps grew stale and now the big maps, most of all during off times, are driving even more players away. It has survived on the strength of its flight model and loyalty of a core group of older guys. By current standards the game just doesnt look good, certainly not $180 a year good. Thats why. The 12 hour rule has nothing to do with it.
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Thw 12 hour limit has nothing to do with people canceling. The numbers were being lost long before the 12 hour limit was instituted.
Basically the 12 hour limit is being opposed by the many who dont like being punished by the actions of the few. The cheaters! It was very common to see players leave channel, or change countries, after a mission was posted and like clock work you'd see the same few guys in their 4 Hispano Typhie right on schedule, in the middle of nowhere, a quiet sector, to intercept a mission they had dishonestly changed countries to intercept. I actually stopped flying missions and even left the game in disgust.
However......
I believe it sad the many were punished due to the very few. Perhaps if the many would have acknowledged the obvious more vocally it could have been averted. But players, most of all the honest ones, put blinders on when these accusations happen and refuse to see the big picture. I myself dont agree with the 12 hour rule cause its to stringent but I understand the reasoning behind it.
The game lost players cause it failed to evolve and improve its graphics. The maps grew stale and now the big maps, most of all during off times, are driving even more players away. It has survived on the strength of its flight model and loyalty of a core group of older guys. By current standards the game just doesnt look good, certainly not $180 a year good. Thats why. The 12 hour rule has nothing to do with it.
I think there are some who are leaving for the 12 hour rule, because they believe that each time they switch sides they will find a fight somewhere. Especially if they are on the side that outnumbers everyone else, they want to switch to fight the higher numbers. Whether or not their success or chances of finding a fight is increased by switching sides is based on perspective and ultimately individual beliefs. I do agree that it isn't the sole reason, but I would say its a factor - no matter if minor or not -, and there have been acceptable compromises given on these boards to address the issue. I think they should at least be looked at instead of being deemed "unnecessary".
I agree on the graphics part, that is why HTC is addressing the issue. The problem is, will the portion of the player-base looking for more eye-candy and 'realism' be patient enough for HTC to finish their product? Or will they want HTC to rush it out the door bugs in tow? Or will it simply be too late by the time it is released? HTC has shown that they listen to the customers and want to make the game more appealing. So they are doing everything they can on it. Some of the 'retired' members of Aces High seen that the graphics are being updated, seen the videos and some said they would be rejoining when the graphics have been updated.
I think HTC is on the right track. :aok
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Thw 12 hour limit has nothing to do with people canceling. The numbers were being lost long before the 12 hour limit was instituted.
Basically the 12 hour limit is being opposed by the many who dont like being punished by the actions of the few. The cheaters! It was very common to see players leave channel, or change countries, after a mission was posted and like clock work you'd see the same few guys in their 4 Hispano Typhie right on schedule, in the middle of nowhere, a quiet sector, to intercept a mission they had dishonestly changed countries to intercept. I actually stopped flying missions and even left the game in disgust.
There are plenty of ways to spy on and hunt down missions without needing to change sides.
I agree that the numbers were being lost long before the 12 hour side switch. That's why even more people started leaving when they couldn't change sides to find a fight due to the already diminishing numbers! :)
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I would be prepared to bet that the 12 hour side switch limitation (combined with the declining player numbers) is the #1 or #2 reason for people cancelling their subscription to Aces High
(The other top reason being real life)
how many players do we have now as compared to last year?
semp
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how many players do we have now as compared to last year?
semp
The only way I know of to gauge that is thru LWA plane K/Ds. Last year for Feb. we had a combined "approx" 770,000 and this year Feb. we had 612,000. Four years ago Feb we had about 1,1000,000. Five years ago about 1,263,000. In 2008 LWA Feb totals were over 1.5 million. So its apparent the game has lost more then 1/2 its player base since its height and has continued its downward slide. Keep in mind this isnt counting the loss of sorties/players in the other two arenas "I wont even consider WW1". In 2008 MWA and EWA accounted for well over 100,000 K/Ds while Feb. 2014 those two totaled about 6,000 or 7,000 combined.
None of this is scientific but I'd guess at least a 60% Loss with the trend continuing.
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The only way I know of to gauge that is thru LWA plane K/Ds.
Just take the score of any random LW player in any tour and look at the rank for "field captures in attack mode". It doesn't give you the exact number of players, but you see the general trend when comparing tours over the years.
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I would be prepared to bet that the 12 hour side switch limitation (combined with the declining player numbers) is the #1 or #2 reason for people cancelling their subscription to Aces High
The overwhelming majority of AH players is not affected by the 12 hour rule at all. Even at 1h, they were very country loyal and at most switching (along with their whole squad!) maybe once every few tours. It's a very small, yet quite active subset of the AH population that would make use of a shorter time limit.
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The overwhelming majority of AH players is not affected by the 12 hour rule at all. Even at 1h, they were very country loyal and at most switching (along with their whole squad!) maybe once every few tours. It's a very small, yet quite active subset of the AH population that would make use of a shorter time limit.
And it can be done to accommodate those players. The primary need for it is in off peak when getting stuck on the high side causes numbers to crash as people log in frustration.
And if people think the 12-hour rule isn't a factor in driving down subscriptions I have a unicorn for sale....
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The overwhelming majority of AH players is not affected by the 12 hour rule at all. Even at 1h, they were very country loyal and at most switching (along with their whole squad!) maybe once every few tours.
It's a very very small, yet quite active minority subset of the AH Grieffer population that would make use of a shorter time limit.
Fixed
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And if people think the 12-hour rule isn't a factor in driving down subscriptions I have a unicorn for sale....
We had 12h rule for many many years with player numbers going up steadily...
Of course there's the odd player cancelling the sub "because of the 12h limit", but the true reasons are often going further than that, and things are most often more complex than this.
There's a general tendendcy to blame one's own pet peeve for a general decline in numebrs, gameplay or whatever. Arena split, arena de-split, GV control change, perk system, icon settings...
Most of these claims are based on nothing more that just a personal issue with a particular setting/change, which is then overly generalised projected upon the whole population.
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And if people think the 12-hour rule isn't a factor in driving down subscriptions I have a unicorn for sale....
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/unicorn_zpsfe1dbe9a.png)
Sideswitchaaaa unicorns making a run for the border
(http://shqcomicsandgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/unicorns.jpg)
The subtleties of being a unicorn Sideswitchaaaa
Rook
(http://www.healedwings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/unicorn_and_rainbow-1842.jpg)
Knit
(http://bitterdivorcee.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/HappLand.jpg)
Bish (Inks favorite)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8x03KV7m9kc/UWGuxIBlsqI/AAAAAAAAGLA/uhoTxXSKoUE/s640/Unicorns+and+Glitter.jpg)
Unicorns are really wolfs in Sideswitchaaaa clothing
(http://image.blingee.com/images18/content/output/000/000/000/6fa/677766580_1764942.gif)
We sideswitchaaaa Unicorns must unite!!!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V_k0M4ogsqA/T9e3rCWrJ7I/AAAAAAAAPlA/wEWV-UsQ4fs/s1600/CV+7unicorns.png)
I dub thee Pink... King Unicorn of the Sideswitchaaa's
(http://justunicorns.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mermaid-w-unicorn.jpg)
Lets go they don't want us here
(http://www.thegorgeousdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/unicorjs-1.jpg)
:rofl :aok
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:rofl
so mega........why dont you like those that switch?
tired of being hunted after you run your mouth?
or just think you have the right to dictate others game play?
personally I dont care that you run around in the green gang flying your lame arse p39 thinking you are hot crap talk smack but wont back it up....
why should you care that I like to stay out of the green gang and actually like to fight red guys for my kills?
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:rofl
so mega........why dont you like those that switch?
tired of being hunted after you run your mouth?
or just think you have the right to dictate others game play?
personally I dont care that you run around in the green gang flying your lame arse p39 thinking you are hot crap talk smack but wont back it up....
why should you care that I like to stay out of the green gang and actually like to fight red guys for my kills?
If you dont care ...why are you on my ankle again....
Maybe you could put this on my ankle in your spot....that way when your off space penning your new game :lol..... I will have something to remember you by? You will have to make it pink with a pearl necklace tho.
(http://www.tattoostime.com/images/18/worst-unicorn-tattoo.jpg)
:cheers:
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:rofl
so mega........why dont you like those that switch?
tired of being hunted after you run your mouth?
or just think you have the right to dictate others game play?
personally I dont care that you run around in the green gang flying your lame arse p39 thinking you are hot crap talk smack but wont back it up....
Yeah, it really sounds like you don't care :rolleyes:
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The problem is, will the portion of the player-base looking for more eye-candy and 'realism' be patient enough for HTC to finish their product? Or will they want HTC to rush it out the door bugs in tow? Or will it simply be too late by the time it is released?
I have never seen them "rush" anything. Compared to other games their updates have always been well written and any problems fixed promptly. The game itself is probably the smoothest running game software Ive ever seen. Got a problem with it? Pick up a phone or have a question answered promptly here, usually in a matter of minutes. You cant imagine how hard that is to find in the gaming environment nowadays.
Honestly i cant predict what will happen but I think the graphics update is a very good thing. I come and go, what brings me back is the flight model and the competition. Also its an older crowd and old guys like me like a slower paced game. Oh there is fast intense action in AH, at least during prime times, but frankly I kinda like relaxing as my bombers climb after a long day at work.
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I have never seen them "rush" anything. Compared to other games their updates have always been well written and any problems fixed promptly. The game itself is probably the smoothest running game software Ive ever seen. Got a problem with it? Pick up a phone or have a question answered promptly here, usually in a matter of minutes. You cant imagine how hard that is to find in the gaming environment nowadays.
Honestly i cant predict what will happen but I think the graphics update is a very good thing. I come and go, what brings me back is the flight model and the competition. Also its an older crowd and old guys like me like a slower paced game. Oh there is fast intense action in AH, at least during prime times, but frankly I kinda like relaxing as my bombers climb after a long day at work.
This ^^^^
Pick up the phone, call any other game and ask to speak to the owner, or the programmer and see what ya get.
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Yeah, it really sounds like you don't care :rolleyes:
calling it out..... is far different then caring.... :aok
the only reason I even ask is because I do care about being able to play the way I want to play....
I like to switch to the side getting ganged....which is not always the low numbered side....
I am not loyal to any silly chess piece.....I am loyal to the fight :aok
the 12 hr rule ruins my game play.... :aok
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I have never seen them "rush" anything. Compared to other games their updates have always been well written and any problems fixed promptly. The game itself is probably the smoothest running game software Ive ever seen. Got a problem with it? Pick up a phone or have a question answered promptly here, usually in a matter of minutes. You cant imagine how hard that is to find in the gaming environment nowadays.
Honestly i cant predict what will happen but I think the graphics update is a very good thing. I come and go, what brings me back is the flight model and the competition. Also its an older crowd and old guys like me like a slower paced game. Oh there is fast intense action in AH, at least during prime times, but frankly I kinda like relaxing as my bombers climb after a long day at work.
Agreed, that is what makes HTC unique in a great way. They actually show they care about the content they release because of the time and effort they put into it. Making sure there are little to no bugs, rather than patch on patch on patch. I think these boards though show the lack of patience and understanding by many players (not all of them) for all the time, effort and technical-stuffs that happens behind the scenes.
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I have yet to see anyone post a good reason for having the limit set at 12 hours.
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I have yet to see anyone post a good reason for having the limit set at 12 hours.
+1
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I like to switch to the side getting ganged....which is not always the low numbered side....
I am not loyal to any silly chess piece.....I am loyal to the fight :aok
the 12 hr rule ruins my game play.... :aok
100% with you in this regard
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Yea, thats a terrible idea and it's still NO.
Good lord, how many threads do you need at the same time for this? Give it a rest already.
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Yea, thats a terrible idea and it's still NO.
"No."
"Why?"
"Because."
:rolleyes:
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the 12 hr rule ruins my game play.... :aok
It does. Now I hang onto my side switch until it is desperately needed to find engagements. If I am on the numbers side and it is 4:1 I am not switching any more. That way, when the arena crashes at 2 am, I do not wind up stuck on the side with all the players who are actually AFTER A FIGHT. Got burned once too often now...
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It does. Now I hang onto my side switch until it is desperately needed to find engagements. If I am on the numbers side and it is 4:1 I am not switching any more. That way, when the arena crashes at 2 am, I do not wind up stuck on the side with all the players who are actually AFTER A FIGHT. Got burned once too often now...
you mean the other two sides have no players that want to fight? how in the heck did you fighting guys end up on the same side?
semp
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Explained in one of the many other threads created for this subject. :noid
"No."
"Why?"
"Because."
:rolleyes:
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No one produced any reasons in any threads except conspiranoia about "spiez". Bah, if your play can theoretically be ruined by "spiez" then your style of play is probably lame.
Explained in one of the many other threads created for this subject. :noid
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if your play can theoretically be ruined by "spiez" then your style of play is probably lame.
at the very least, your style of play is to avoid combat.
the only spyable things I can think of in game are hiding cv's and NOE missions.
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at the very least, your style of play is to avoid combat.
the only spyable things I can think of in game are hiding cv's and NOE missions.
Which is precisely what the point hoarders and perk farmers do in off peak. Yet that's not gaming the game. Riiiiight.....
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No one produced any reasons in any threads except conspiranoia about "spiez". Bah, if your play can theoretically be ruined by "spiez" then your style of play is probably lame.
hitech produced the reason why we have a 12 hour switch time a year or two ago. but those who want to switch it always claim that it was due to spiez. you also blame some of us for it being a 12 hour switch time. we have as much input in it being 12 and you guys have it in getting it swtiched to 1. the person in charge is hitech. he's the one you should be talking to. not the dozens of threads that pop up a year from the same 10 guys who seem to talk for "most of the players".
me I think you guys are making a big mistake by asking for a 1 hr switch time. I switched at will many times when it was one hour as most of my play time as at night due to work. 1/2 the time the country I had left had better fights that the one I went into. and the fights would switch from country to country faster than you could follow them.
also the players who actually wanted to fight instead of doing "milk runs" in either buffs or gv's was 1/2 the population at that time. if you guys really card "about the fight" you would ask other playres to join you in the da or any other arena that is empty and fight each other until you get bored. we did it back then, not sure why you guys cant do it now.
semp
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hitech produced the reason why we have a 12 hour switch time a year or two ago. but those who want to switch it always claim that it was due to spiez. you also blame some of us for it being a 12 hour switch time. we have as much input in it being 12 and you guys have it in getting it swtiched to 1. the person in charge is hitech. he's the one you should be talking to. not the dozens of threads that pop up a year from the same 10 guys who seem to talk for "most of the players".
me I think you guys are making a big mistake by asking for a 1 hr switch time. I switched at will many times when it was one hour as most of my play time as at night due to work. 1/2 the time the country I had left had better fights that the one I went into. and the fights would switch from country to country faster than you could follow them.
also the players who actually wanted to fight instead of doing "milk runs" in either buffs or gv's was 1/2 the population at that time. if you guys really card "about the fight" you would ask other playres to join you in the da or any other arena that is empty and fight each other until you get bored. we did it back then, not sure why you guys cant do it now.
semp
So the DA is now the "Main" Arena? Hmmm. They need to rename it then.
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Not as much lame as the one who side switched his second account to move our cv out of our strats to make his main account bombers raid em more easily.
No one produced any reasons in any threads except conspiranoia about "spiez". Bah, if your play can theoretically be ruined by "spiez" then your style of play is probably lame.
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Not as much lame as the one who side switched his second account to move our cv out of our strats to make his main account bombers raid em more easily.
That may be the point. The twelve hour rule props up the shade account market....?
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side switch has no effect with someone who has a shade account
2 different accounts the 12 hour rule doesn't effect both as one..... :rolleyes:
the people who are against less time to switch are more paranoid then I am....
are worried about being hunted by those they run there mouth to.......
have a serious fantasy thinking that the game is real life and spies will ruin their "war" effort.......
have serious control issues thinking they can control how others play.......
are mindlessly chess piece loyal and dont understand that the fight is where it is at......
if any of that bothers you.....well think on where you fit in....and why.
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side switch has no effect with someone who has a shade account
2 different accounts the 12 hour rule doesn't effect both as one..... :rolleyes:
Duh. That wasn't my point. :rolleyes:
Try again.
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Duh. That wasn't my point. :rolleyes:
Try again.
I wasn't responding to you.... ;)
the poster before you suggested
Not as much lame as the one who side switched his second account to move our cv out of our strats to make his main account bombers raid em more easily.
I should have included his quote :o
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I wasn't responding to you.... ;)
the poster before you suggested
I should have included his quote :o
That makes sense. Whew. Flu making me grumpy? :salute
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So the DA is now the "Main" Arena? Hmmm. They need to rename it then.
i thought you wanted to fight.
semp
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Not as much lame as the one who side switched his second account to move our cv out of our strats to make his main account bombers raid em more easily.
what good is a cv sitting at your own strats? (I'm presuming this was when the strats were back near hq)
at least someone got some fun out of it by bombing it.
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what good is a cv sitting at your own strats? (I'm presuming this was when the strats were back near hq)
at least someone got some fun out of it by bombing it.
:cheers:
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Not as much lame as the one who side switched his second account to move our cv out of our strats to make his main account bombers raid em more easily.
Defend your CV jackhole. If you're actually fighting with it, they know where it is anyway.
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The DA is deader than a doornail at the same hours it is difficult to find a fight in the LW MA.
i thought you wanted to fight.
semp
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The DA is deader than a doornail at the same hours it is difficult to find a fight in the LW MA.
was just saying if you guys cant switch but you want to fight. nothing wrong with all of you getting together in the da or any other arena and switch at will.
semp
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Thats the opposite : if he could switch at will he would use it to mess 2 sides on 3 (moving CVs, spotting fleets, etc etc)...
side switch has no effect with someone who has a shade account
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Thats the opposite : if he could switch at will he would use it to mess 2 sides on 3 (moving CVs, spotting fleets, etc etc)...
:rolleyes:
Nobody is suggesting side switch at will. Let's stick to the argument at hand.
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:rolleyes:
Nobody is suggesting side switch at will. Let's stick to the argument at hand.
vraciu, I have said many times before that I used to switch countries when the time limit was 1 hr. I used to play from around 10 pst to 3 am due to my work schedule. the one hour switch time didnt work either. I would switch to either find something to fight or get more kills. but the fights would switch so fast that i would end up back again in a country that had no fights.
I dont really play late at night anymore. but if it was me, that wanted a switch time, I would ask for less than an hour. 1 hour was way too long back then to wait to switch again.
just be aware of one thing. there will be people who will switch as soon as they see bombers taking off or take advantage of the information they have. it happened back then and it wont stop if they reduce the time now. this is not about spiez but more to "hey I see no fights, this guy just took off, I am gonna switch and get me some easy kills.
semp
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We never had that in Warbirds. What's with the community around here, Semp????
Limit it to off peak. If some buff driver gets whacked late at night when he is perk farming by uncontested bombings, well....he deserves it. :)
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We never had that in Warbirds. What's with the community around here, Semp????
Limit it to off peak. If some buff driver gets whacked late at night when he is perk farming by uncontested bombings, well....he deserves it. :)
Are you saying that if a player is not playing the way you think he should, then it would be all right to switch sides, use the information you have from being on his side, and then go hunt him down?
This is why we have a time limit.
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Are you saying that if a player is not playing the way you think he should, then it would be all right to switch sides, use the information you have from being on his side, and then go hunt him down?
This is why we have a time limit.
No. I am saying if that happened then so be it. Although one would expect peer pressure to put a swift end to that.
You guys have a one way view of this. The time limit screws over people in off peak who wind up stuck on the high side with nobody to fight. Otoh, it unfairly advantages late night perk farmers flying around in their buffs racking up B-29s.
Why is your way somehow more "fair"? It isn't.
And yet people wonder why the place is dead late at night. There are plenty of people willing to play, they just give up from sheer boredom.
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No. I am saying if that happened then so be it. Although one would expect peer pressure to put a swift end to that.
You guys have a one way view of this. The time limit screws over people in off peak who wind up stuck on the high side with nobody to fight. Otoh, it unfairly advantages late night perk farmers flying around in their buffs racking up B-29s.
Why is your way somehow more "fair"? It isn't.
And yet people wonder why the place is dead late at night. There are plenty of people willing to play, they just give up from sheer boredom.
vraciu how many players are online late at night? I remember we used to have around 50 or so and 1/2 would be milk running something.
semp
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Are you saying that if a player is not playing the way you think he should, then it would be all right to switch sides, use the information you have from being on his side, and then go hunt him down?
This is why we have a time limit.
worst case scenario is one player shooting down another player?
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Maybe a good solution would be for the team #s to be shown on the screen where you pick the arena in which you want to fight.
~S~ Buck
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Are you saying that if a player is not playing the way you think he should, then it would be all right to switch sides, use the information you have from being on his side, and then go hunt him down?
This is why we have a time limit.
^ this. :aok
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Are you saying that if a player is not playing the way you think he should, then it would be all right to switch sides, use the information you have from being on his side, and then go hunt him down?
This is why we have a time limit.
I'm not sure why you think this is a problem. As Kvuo says, worst thing that happens is a fight.
But even if it were considered a problem, I sense that, as a problem, it is dwarfed by the inability of people to switch sides for other reasons (to be with squads, to balance sides &c.).
- oldman
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I'm not sure why you think this is a problem. As Kvuo says, worst thing that happens is a fight.
I don't understand it, but for a lot of people in the arena that seems to be a terrible, terrible thing.
Wiley.
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Are you saying that if a player is not playing the way you think he should, then it would be all right to switch sides, use the information you have from being on his side, and then go hunt him down?
This is why we have a time limit.
Players aren't hibernating animals - they move and are alert.
By the time you've switched sides to "gather information" on them, went back to your side, climbed to altitude... you're looking at 5+ minutes (at the very least).. and that's JUST to find out the base they rolled from (there's no telling where they're actually at). In that time, the player could be anywhere within a 9-grid radius of where you last spotted them.
There's FAR easier ways to hunt specific players within the scope of the current game mechanics (and that's without switching sides at all).
It's a non-issue.
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vraciu how many players are online late at night? I remember we used to have around 50 or so and 1/2 would be milk running something.
semp
Last night there were ~60 on at 3:30 AM CST. The Rooks had a 15 players (2-3 of which were dogfighting), while the other teams had 20-25 (of which 8-10 were dogfighting). When most of the dogfights are happening in Tank Town, that's a pretty significant disadvantage.
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By the time you've switched sides to "gather information" on them, went back to your side, climbed to altitude... you're looking at 5+ minutes (at the very least).. and that's JUST to find out the base they rolled from (there's no telling where they're actually at). In that time, the player could be anywhere within a 9-grid radius of where you last spotted them.
Not that it matters all that much, but that's not exactly right. Of those 9 grids, you can pretty much eliminate 5 of them as friendly territory unless they're climbing out buffs, in which case they show up on bardar anyways.
If they're NOE, which is the usual gripe when people start up about spiez, they're 90% of the time going to be in about a 5 mile wide ribbon of terrain in a direct line from the takeoff base to the target base.
Wiley.
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Last night there were ~60 on at 3:30 AM CST. The Rooks had a 15 players (2-3 of which were dogfighting), while the other teams had 20-25 (of which 8-10 were dogfighting). When most of the dogfights are happening in Tank Town, that's a pretty significant disadvantage.
Yep. And those two guys were getting pummeled. It was totally unfair. We debated switching and decided to save our switch because of the penalty. I quit and worked on my Pony skin instead...