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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Naughty on March 01, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
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Really beginning to feel like we're beating a dead horse on this, Cause HTC refuses to listen !
This morning is a perfect example of how the ENY is hindering the game. I logged in to see once again the Bishops had a 25 ENY. the problem is, while we may have had more players online, and in flight.. We were once again being double teamed by the NIT /ROOKs. a quick glance at the map would prove, not a single base on the Nit / rook front flashing, And the Bish bases being horded by both sides, with only outdated, underpowered under armed planes for us to try and put up a meager defense. Outnumbered and ENY handicapped :bhead
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All 3 countries get double teamed at one point or another. Bish just happened to be that country this time. Give it time and later today I bet you'll see the Knights or Rooks being double teamed.
I have noticed that the bish do seem to get some ENY in the early mornings. Probably just more Bish on at this hour than Rooks or Knights. I say we reduce the 12 hour rule to 1 hour so some of those Bish can switch to Rook and Knights to get rid of the ENY for all 3 sides, and then they can go back Bish later in the day when the numbers pick up again.
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I say we reduce the 12 hour rule to 1 hour so some of those Bish can switch to Rook and Knights to get rid of the ENY for all 3 sides, and then they can go back Bish later in the day when the numbers pick up again.
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This ! :aok
+1 x 1000
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Really beginning to feel like we're beating a dead horse on this, Cause HTC refuses to listen !
This morning is a perfect example of how the ENY is hindering the game. I logged in to see once again the Bishops had a 25 ENY. the problem is, while we may have had more players online, and in flight.. We were once again being double teamed by the NIT /ROOKs. a quick glance at the map would prove, not a single base on the Nit / rook front flashing, And the Bish bases being horded by both sides, with only outdated, underpowered under armed planes for us to try and put up a meager defense. Outnumbered and ENY handicapped :bhead
ENY isn't the problem. The people logged into your country not playing is the problem.
Lobby for the dead weight to hang out in another country, another arena or the lobby.
Problem solved.
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Plenty of great aircraft available even at 20/25 eny. Just because you can't take up your runstangs and B-24's doesn't mean you can't have fun. :)
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Fly a 109F or E. Problem solved. :aok
Plenty o' perkies too! :D
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Fly a 109F or E. Problem solved. :aok
Plenty o' perkies too! :D
The G-14 is the steal of the century at 25 ENY.
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The G-14 is the steal of the century at 25 ENY.
190A5 is 25 too isn't it? Lot of plane for that price. :D
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Fly a 109F or E. Problem solved. :aok
Plenty o' perkies too! :D
SHHHHHH! If too many people find out about that beastly aircraft hidden at the top of the plane list then it'll get perked!! :eek:
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Mossie VI at ENY 30 is also a bargain.
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I am by no means an ace pilot, Im just now getting to the point where I can land 3-4 kills in a sortie, and hold my own in a 2 or 3 vs 1. I've been flying the Spit 16, 14, and 8 mainly, and was just starting to transition into the Corsairs. Now that ive upgraded to an X52 pro Joystick, and TRACK IR, im back in my comfortable Spit 16 until I get used to the added dynamics. So its just no fun for me to log into a horded mess with a plane im totally unfamiliar with.
ALSO.. the side switching time is ridiculous ! It has had the opposite effect of HTC's intention.
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I am by no means an ace pilot, Im just now getting to the point where I can land 3-4 kills in a sortie, and hold my own in a 2 or 3 vs 1. I've been flying the Spit 16, 14, and 8 mainly, and was just starting to transition into the Corsairs. Now that ive upgraded to an X52 pro Joystick, and TRACK IR, im back in my comfortable Spit 16 until I get used to the added dynamics. So its just no fun for me to log into a horded mess with a plane im totally unfamiliar with.
ALSO.. the side switching time is ridiculous ! It has had the opposite effect of HTC's intention.
Spit IX is similar to those Spits and has a higher ENY, though not a 25.
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SHHHHHH! If too many people find out about that beastly aircraft hidden at the top of the plane list then it'll get perked!! :eek:
:noid
Lips are sealed
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ALSO.. the side switching time is ridiculous ! It has had the opposite effect of HTC's intention.
Years ago, side switching was free. People started to abuse it. Then it got a one hour wait time. As the abuse got worse the switch time went to 12 hours.
It is the full effect of HTC's intention.
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I am by no means an ace pilot, Im just now getting to the point where I can land 3-4 kills in a sortie, and hold my own in a 2 or 3 vs 1. I've been flying the Spit 16, 14, and 8 mainly, and was just starting to transition into the Corsairs. Now that ive upgraded to an X52 pro Joystick, and TRACK IR, im back in my comfortable Spit 16 until I get used to the added dynamics. So its just no fun for me to log into a horded mess with a plane im totally unfamiliar with.
ALSO.. the side switching time is ridiculous ! It has had the opposite effect of HTC's intention.
Looking at your score it looks like you would benefit with some time in high ENY planes. Look at it as a challenge. Flying a plane that you have to use skill in to get kills will make you a better fighter/player. If you look at it as a handicap then your just going to be frustrated. Also, as you get better in the high ENY planes you'll find that jumping back into your spits that you'll get those 3-4 kills runs more often than you do now.
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Looking at your score it looks like you would benefit with some time in high ENY planes. Look at it as a challenge. Flying a plane that you have to use skill in to get kills will make you a better fighter/player. If you look at it as a handicap then your just going to be frustrated. Also, as you get better in the high ENY planes you'll find that jumping back into your spits that you'll get those 3-4 kills runs more often than you do now.
I agree ^
I also think killing someone while you are using an inferior plane to theirs, is very fun.
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Really beginning to feel like we're beating a dead horse on this, Cause HTC refuses to listen !
This morning is a perfect example of how the ENY is hindering the game. I logged in to see once again the Bishops had a 25 ENY. the problem is, while we may have had more players online, and in flight.. We were once again being double teamed by the NIT /ROOKs. a quick glance at the map would prove, not a single base on the Nit / rook front flashing, And the Bish bases being horded by both sides, with only outdated, underpowered under armed planes for us to try and put up a meager defense. Outnumbered and ENY handicapped :bhead
so you are complaining because there's too many fights in your country?
semp
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Looking at your score it looks like you would benefit with some time in high ENY planes. Look at it as a challenge. Flying a plane that you have to use skill in to get kills will make you a better fighter/player. If you look at it as a handicap then your just going to be frustrated. Also, as you get better in the high ENY planes you'll find that jumping back into your spits that you'll get those 3-4 kills runs more often than you do now.
This.
I've gotten more compliments in this last week because of the performance in the P-47D-11 than I ever did flying a spit.
I also think killing someone while you are using an inferior plane to theirs, is very fun.
That's the icing on the cake.
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so you are complaining because there's too many fights in your country?
semp
Id hardly call trying to lift off from a field that's capped, or flying a sector from a different field, only to run into 15+ superior planes "a fight".
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Id hardly call trying to lift off from a field that's capped, or flying a sector from a different field, only to run into 15+ superior planes "a fight".
up a superior plane too and come a bit higher then either laugh cause you killed a couple of because they all scattered and headed for the deck. either way it's funny.
semp
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All 3 countries get double teamed at one point or another. Bish just happened to be that country this time. Give it time and later today I bet you'll see the Knights or Rooks being double teamed.
I have noticed that the bish do seem to get some ENY in the early mornings. Probably just more Bish on at this hour than Rooks or Knights. I say we reduce the 12 hour rule to 1 hour so some of those Bish can switch to Rook and Knights to get rid of the ENY for all 3 sides, and then they can go back Bish later in the day when the numbers pick up again.
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I say increase the 12 hour rule to 1 month it will keep all you bumpy jumpy's from imbalancing the arena.
:cheers:
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How about this solution: People can have the option in the their clipboard or the starting screen, for the system to delegate them to the lowest number to any country before they get log on with the 12 hour rule still in place. Perhaps the starting screen (where you type in your ID and password screen is seen) would be best.
Squads are can be exempt or not. It's up them as a squad if they like to switch. Some already do monthly.
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How about this solution: People can have the option in the their clipboard or the starting screen, for the system to delegate them to the lowest number to any country before they get log on with the 12 hour rule still in place. Perhaps the starting screen (where you type in your ID and password screen is seen) would be best.
Squads are can be exempt or not. It's up them as a squad if they like to switch. Some already do monthly.
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most players fly as a squad. so when they log in they could still be on the low side and be on different countries. and btw just because you are on the low side it still wont guarantee you a "fight".
semp
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ALSO.. the side switching time is ridiculous ! It has had the opposite effect of HTC's intention.
Keep in mind HTC has more information to analyze the side switching rule than you or I or even Lusche. Everything from full play data to historical trials and tribulations.
Unless there is a huge amount of coding to be done to switch the rule that makes it a low priority, I can not but help to believe it is as it is with the overall best interest of the game in mind albeit the margin my be slight.
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Keep in mind HTC has more information to analyze the side switching rule than you or I or even Lusche. Everything from full play data to historical trials and tribulations.
Unless there is a huge amount of coding to be done to switch the rule that makes it a low priority, I can not but help to believe it is as it is with the overall best interest of the game in mind albeit the margin my be slight.
Its not slight you don't see 2-3000 folks complaining about it or how ever many subs HTC has .....Just the same buncha shaders about 10 -15 dudes making waves cause the wanna grief folks.
Just change it to a month squads want to switch at the new camp give 2 days of unlimited switching then report to your squad ... it will be like halloween for the switchers once a month. :O
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If people would just learn to fly the high Eny planes there wouldn't be any of these little crying threads.
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All my favorite rides have an ENY of 25 so I've never ran into what you guys are talking about. Does it perk lower ENY planes as the teams become unbalanced?
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All my favorite rides have an ENY of 25 so I've never ran into what you guys are talking about. Does it perk lower ENY planes as the teams become unbalanced?
They don't become perked, they just become unusable. The game will restrict you from using anything under a certain ENY until the sides become more balanced.
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most players fly as a squad. so when they log in they could still be on the low side and be on different countries. and btw just because you are on the low side it still wont guarantee you a "fight".
semp
Yeah. You didn't comprehend what you read. Its up to the squad, a squad decision. That part of it, if it would go forward, needs to be adjusted by Aces High. Maybe squads would be except. Most people who want the one hour rule are part of a squad. So they are willing to be away from their squad to play the low numbers.
"... on the low side still wont guarantee you a "fight" "- Well that's you're opinion. Some people want to switch because they are looking for a fight to oppose the numbers. That's why this subject keeps coming up and the effects of ENY.
As for my opinion, I've been a Rook since 2002 and I don't switch. When there is a massive horde problem from either country I do what I can.
I do agree with the author of this post, there has been situations we're getting horded (happens to all countries) but we have the numbers and the ENY is killing us. Most of the people are either at Tank Town or in a furball. Hordes of bombers are killing the older group strats with HQ and we cannot defend it with 163's or TA152's due to ENY. The ENY is what I have a gripe with but I get on with it and try to have fun.
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I say we reduce the 12 hour rule to 1 hour so some of those Bish can switch to Rook and Knights to get rid of the ENY for all 3 sides, and then they can go back Bish later in the day when the numbers pick up again.
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Rather get my finger nails pulled out :rolleyes:
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I say we reduce the 12 hour rule to 1 hour so some of those Bish can switch to Rook and Knights to get rid of the ENY for all 3 sides, and then they can go back Bish later in the day when the numbers pick up again.
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Id hardly call trying to lift off from a field that's capped, or flying a sector from a different field, only to run into 15+ superior planes "a fight".
Karma :aok
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Karma :aok
I seen how you did that..... :aok
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25 ENY and complaining about being double teamed :huh
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benefit with some time in high ENY planes. Look at it as a challenge. Flying a plane that you have to use skill in to get kills will make you a better fighter/player. If you look at it as a handicap then your just going to be frustrated.
Well stated.
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Really beginning to feel like we're beating a dead horse on this, Cause HTC refuses to listen !
This morning is a perfect example of how the ENY is hindering the game. I logged in to see once again the Bishops had a 25 ENY. the problem is, while we may have had more players online, and in flight.. We were once again being double teamed by the NIT /ROOKs. a quick glance at the map would prove, not a single base on the Nit / rook front flashing, And the Bish bases being horded by both sides, with only outdated, underpowered under armed planes for us to try and put up a meager defense. Outnumbered and ENY handicapped :bhead
I smell Death...DrDeath :D
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190A5 is 25 too isn't it? Lot of plane for that price. :D
Quoted for truth.
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Really beginning to feel like we're beating a dead horse on this, Cause HTC refuses to listen !
This morning is a perfect example of how the ENY is hindering the game. I logged in to see once again the Bishops had a 25 ENY. the problem is, while we may have had more players online, and in flight.. We were once again... Outnumbered and ENY handicapped :bhead
Um....why would HTC listen to this? First you say you have more players, then you're outnumbered? Those tower sitters are your biggest problem in this situation. People from your own team! :ahand :neener:
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The real question, at least for me, is why have eny effect plane choice at all?
Anatomy of a horde:
Pony raid. If eny prevents, then Jug raid. If eny prevents then p38 raid, all the way down to the P38G.
So, if all eny does is stops ppl from flying ftrs in circumstances that aren't related to hording bases, then what does eny do? What is the point of it? I assume the point is to stop the base rolling and hording. But it does NOT.
Get rid of eny effecting plane choice. We are paying good money to be limited by the game saying one side or another has too many players, therefore you must fly xyz plane, etc.
When there is no eny at peak times the sky isn't all of a sudden filled with only 51's, La7s, and 262's.
Also, if a plane has a perk price, then why can't we fly it regardless of how low the eny is? Those are your perks, you earned them, but u can't use them...
How many would care if eny effecting plane choice was done away with?
Fire resistant suit on. :airplane:
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The real question, at least for me, is why have eny effect plane choice at all?
Anatomy of a horde:
Pony raid. If eny prevents, then Jug raid. If eny prevents then p38 raid, all the way down to the P38G.
So, if all eny does is stops ppl from flying ftrs in circumstances that aren't related to hording bases, then what does eny do? What is the point of it? I assume the point is to stop the base rolling and hording. But it does NOT.
Get rid of eny effecting plane choice. We are paying good money to be limited by the game saying one side or another has too many players, therefore you must fly xyz plane, etc.
When there is no eny at peak times the sky isn't all of a sudden filled with only 51's, La7s, and 262's.
Also, if a plane has a perk price, then why can't we fly it regardless of how low the eny is? Those are your perks, you earned them, but u can't use them...
How many would care if eny effecting plane choice was done away with?
Fire resistant suit on. :airplane:
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Revo:
You fly as "Revo" or "Pik As" is that correct?
I've never seen you in the MA. Never heard anyone mention your name. Does that mean you're part of the crew around here that post in the bbs and don't fly in the game?
What are you playing a violin for me for? Where did I whine? You're calling the it's my perks, I've earned them, I should be able to spend them a whine?
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Revo:
You fly as "Revo" or "Pik As" is that correct?
I've never seen you in the MA. Never heard anyone mention your name. Does that mean you're part of the crew around here that post in the bbs and don't fly in the game?
What are you playing a violin for me for? Where did I whine? You're calling the it's my perks, I've earned them, I should be able to spend them a whine?
I was flying roughly half a mile from you probably an hour ago.
That firesuit must be defective, you should have it inspected.
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Revo:
You fly as "Revo" or "Pik As" is that correct?
Pik As is the name of his squad meaning Ace of Spades from what I remember
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Pik As is the name of his squad meaning Ace of Spades from what I remember
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The real question, at least for me, is why have eny effect plane choice at all?
It prevents the side that has overwhelming numbers from also flying the best planes in the game.
Don't like it? Switch sides.
Better yet, become a Knight. We rarely suffer from ENY limits.
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I am by no means an ace pilot, Im just now getting to the point where I can land 3-4 kills in a sortie, and hold my own in a 2 or 3 vs 1. I've been flying the Spit 16, 14, and 8 mainly, and was just starting to transition into the Corsairs. Now that ive upgraded to an X52 pro Joystick, and TRACK IR, im back in my comfortable Spit 16 until I get used to the added dynamics. So its just no fun for me to log into a horded mess with a plane im totally unfamiliar with.
ALSO.. the side switching time is ridiculous ! It has had the opposite effect of HTC's intention.
Spit IX is a more representative Spit anyway and a fine aircraft that you'll never run into ENY issues with.
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Spit IX is a more representative Spit anyway and a fine aircraft that you'll never run into ENY issues with.
When I logged in for the first time today, I would not have been able to use the Spit IX because of ENY ;)
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When I logged in for the first time today, I would not have been able to use the Spit IX because of ENY ;)
109F is a lovely substitute for the Spit IX.
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As for the incessant double team---welcome to bishland. It's THE highest honor the gnats & Village People can pay us.
As for the incessant WHINING about the 12 switch rule.....where is that beatdeadhorse.gif?
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where is that beatdeadhorse.gif?
(http://i.imgur.com/b2sx0tj.gif)
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Spit IX is a more representative Spit anyway and a fine aircraft that you'll never run into ENY issues with.
With only 300 built I wouldn't say it is more representative at all. In terms of numbers built and usages the Spitfire Mk XVI (Spitfire LF.Mk IX) is the most representative Spitfire in AH.
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The real question, at least for me, is why have eny effect plane choice at all?
Anatomy of a horde:
Pony raid. If eny prevents, then Jug raid. If eny prevents then p38 raid, all the way down to the P38G.
So, if all eny does is stops ppl from flying ftrs in circumstances that aren't related to hording bases, then what does eny do? What is the point of it? I assume the point is to stop the base rolling and hording. But it does NOT.
Get rid of eny effecting plane choice. We are paying good money to be limited by the game saying one side or another has too many players, therefore you must fly xyz plane, etc.
When there is no eny at peak times the sky isn't all of a sudden filled with only 51's, La7s, and 262's.
Also, if a plane has a perk price, then why can't we fly it regardless of how low the eny is? Those are your perks, you earned them, but u can't use them...
How many would care if eny effecting plane choice was done away with?
Fire resistant suit on. :airplane:
P-38Gs are slow, easy kills whereas P-51Ds aren't slow, though they may be easy kills.
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As for the incessant double team---welcome to bishland. It's THE highest honor the gnats & Village People can pay us.
As for the incessant WHINING about the 12 switch rule.....where is that beatdeadhorse.gif?
I hate to break it to you but you're not the only ones who get double teamed. I have seen every side being horded by the other two.
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I hate to break it to you but you're not the only ones who get double teamed. I have seen every side being horded by the other two.
Yup.
Back in my days before I played under the name of Tinkles. I switched sides, and witnessed the 2 v 1s on all sides. Which, I don't complain about, I actually enjoy it.. more targets! Plus, in a game that has tactics and in a round-about way encourages tactics. Attacking an enemy that is already being attacked by one force is smart, it's just taking advantage of the opportunity at hand.
So Knights are attacking Rooks and some Bishops see this, so Bishops start attacking a Rook or even a Knight base because both of those sides (K & R) are busy elsewhere.
In this scenario Knights and Rooks could say they are being 2 v 1'd, because they are pre-occupied elsewhere and a 3rd party is showing up that wasn't originally in the fight. That is a fair assessment of it, but to say your side is being 2 v 1'd all the time is quite.. foolish in my opinion.
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I was flying roughly half a mile from you probably an hour ago.
That firesuit must be defective, you should have it inspected.
Revo had absolutely NO stats for tour 169 late war when I wrote that, I didn't check the other arenas. What did you log in all of a sudden to see what was going on? What was I flying?
You say my idea is about clubbing the other weak side with runstangs and perk rides. Go read my stats heir genius.
Firesuits are for constructive critique, yours was merely an attempt to belittle an idea with a 4th graders intellect, i.e. cartoon.
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Revo had absolutely NO stats for tour 169 late war when I wrote that, I didn't check the other arenas. What did you log in all of a sudden to see what was going on? What was I flying?
You say my idea is about clubbing the other weak side with runstangs and perk rides. Go read my stats heir genius.
Firesuits are for constructive critique, yours was merely an attempt to belittle an idea with a 4th graders intellect, i.e. cartoon.
I belittle the idea because it's absurd. If you don't like the ENY on your side switch and help even things out. Then you can fly all the 5 ENY rides you want.
And if I had to take a wild guess I would say 50% of the names on the BBS don't match up to the name the player currently uses.
Here, let me spell out exactly what would happen if your wish was granted.
Side A has fifty players
Side B has thirty players
Side C has twenty-five players
Since there is no ENY penalty Side A starts rolling Side C with the usual mass Runstang raids. 75% of players from Side C hop over to Side A because "Winning" feels better then being clubbed by Ponies that outnumber them 3 to 1, and why not? There isn't any ENY penalty for switching to the side with the highest number of players. They can be "Winners" and still fly whatever they want to. Meanwhile everybody left on Side C has logged except for Latrobe who is flying a solo 109F into the massive horde of Runstangs.
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I belittle the idea because it's absurd. If you don't like the ENY on your side switch and help even things out. Then you can fly all the 5 ENY rides you want.
And if I had to take a wild guess I would say 50% of the names on the BBS don't match up to the name the player currently uses.
Here, let me spell out exactly what would happen if your wish was granted.
Side A has fifty players
Side B has thirty players
Side C has twenty-five players
Since there is no ENY penalty Side A starts rolling Side C with the usual mass Runstang raids. 75% of players from Side C hop over to Side A because "Winning" feels better then being clubbed by Ponies that outnumber them 3 to 1, and why not? There isn't any ENY penalty for switching to the side with the highest number of players. They can be "Winners" and still fly whatever they want to. Meanwhile everybody left on Side C has logged except for Latrobe who is flying a solo 109F into the massive horde of Runstangs.
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Meanwhile everybody left on Side C has logged except for Latrobe who is flying a solo 109F into the massive horde of Runstangs.
That actually sounds insanely fun! Can we please get rid of the Eny limit!!!??? :x :pray
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That actually sounds insanely fun! Can we please get rid of the Eny limit!!!??? :x :pray
I am a bit surprised you have a problem with eny limits. Choosing the lower eny planes just adds a different challenge. I know from watching you work, a challenge is not something you run from.
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I am a bit surprised you have a problem with eny limits.
I think you have totally misread him ;)
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I think the main problem with the ENY system is that it assigns a single ENY value to a plane, regardless of how the plane is loaded. If the ENY factored in bombs, for example, then it would be possible to have ENY start restricting plane / bomb combinations without completely restricting the plane. Why does a P51D (as an example) loaded only with 4 guns and no bombs or rockets have the same ENY as one with everything on it?
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Why does a P51D (as an example) loaded only with 4 guns and no bombs or rockets have the same ENY as one with everything on it?
Because even a 4 gun p51 doesn't need ord to be effective, and when your side is getting whooped, its nice not to have the sky filled with runstangs.
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Why does eny bother u guys so much? Lol. If that's the case I take a d11 but usually I don't have eny problems because I'm mostly in a 25 eny f4u-1. There are so much good planes like 38g, ki61.......the list goes on. If less spit16 and la7 flew around I personally think fights would be much more fun. (Rud3boi)
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Fly a 109F or E. Problem solved. :aok
Plenty o' perkies too! :D
Exactly. The best fighter in game, balance-wise, has an ENY of 30. Once you get past the headrest/visibility issue, it's a damn competent furballing machine.
Meanwhile, worst case, if you're ganged, you might "lose the war". What's the problem? Is the problem here one of realism? We all know that real war is always fought at numerical parity, right?
Or is this some argument about "fairness" and wanting to always be on the winning side?
Clearly, the OP is trying to communize AH, infiltrate our way of life, and dilute our precious bodily fluids.
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Clearly, the OP is trying to communize AH, infiltrate our way of life, and dilute our precious bodily fluids.
And that is why I only drink pure grain alcohol and rainwater.
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And that is why I only drink pure grain alcohol and rainwater.
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Now relax, there, ReVo, and make me a drink of distilled water and grain alcohol.
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I think you have totally misread him ;)
Yap, I think you are right.
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I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Now relax, there, ReVo, and make me a drink of distilled water and grain alcohol.
:rofl :cheers:
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Since you say I put this in the other "wrong" thread, I'll put it here for your delight as well:
It is far from a valid complaint. As I said before the wish stems from a desire to be able to club whichever side has the fewest number of defenders.
ENY exists to balance the MA when one side has substantially more players. It may not stop the horde but at least you don't have to fight Ponies, LA7's, and Spit16's while outnumbered three or four to one. The solution to all of this is to switch to a side with fewer players, then they can climb back in the 5 ENY ride of their choice.
On a side note as I said before I have been flying off and on all day, I am well aware of what happens in the MA.
Of course you would be far better off bringing this up in the proper thread, rather then trying to derail this one because you're upset.
This was quite the proper thread for your whine, you attack me in another thread calling it a whine, I reciprocated.
You don't spend any time in the wee morning hours when there is eny any way, so how do you know? I'm there almost every day, I know, the same thing happens ever morning. Just as Bill Cosby would have said, whoever the lower side countries are almost always gang the larger country. You know how much larger? Usually by about 8-10 players (in total actually smaller,) and with that the eny difference as high as from zero on one country, to well over 25 on the other. Try it some morning, it's been happening to Knights a lot lately, I'm sure that's just lately, but that's where you fly Teacher. Come in about 5-6am EST, see what you think.
Also You really think it's necessary and without it there would be ponys and la7s all over the place when the whole MA has 30 ppl in it??? :headscratch:
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Are you afraid of facing all 51's and La7's? Aren't you so good you're a teacher, and fly the K-4 pwn'n all these uber rides? Why would you be scared of 51s and La7s then?
I'm not, nor do I think that's what we'd see anyways.
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I hate to break it to you but you're not the only ones who get double teamed. I have seen every side being horded by the other two.
Paging Captain Obvious.......paging captain obvious white curtesry phone.
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Really beginning to feel like we're beating a dead horse on this, Cause HTC refuses to listen !
This morning is a perfect example of how the ENY is hindering the game. I logged in to see once again the Bishops had a 25 ENY. the problem is, while we may have had more players online, and in flight.. We were once again being double teamed by the NIT /ROOKs. a quick glance at the map would prove, not a single base on the Nit / rook front flashing, And the Bish bases being horded by both sides, with only outdated, underpowered under armed planes for us to try and put up a meager defense. Outnumbered and ENY handicapped :bhead
Truth and perception have always cracked me up in this game:
Perception: Nits and Rooks have a secret alliance and only fight Bish.
Truth: It is much easier to herd cats than it is to have 2 people (never mind 2 countries) to work in cohesion
Perception: They don't fight each other and horde us
Truth: I wish they would fight each other so we can horde them
Map, lay out of bases and just sparking country mates interest plays a major role in game dynamics than anything here. Has absolutely nothing to do if you are bish, nit or rook.
If I log in and see a decent dar bar at an opposing field some green dots hovering over it, I assume there is decent fights going on with the opposition being much lower in alt (perhaps trying to protect the town from troops coming in). of course I am going to up from the nearest field and see if I can score some kills. If I see that there is all green dots and no red dar, mostly I wouldn't waste time in upping as I am sure the base is going to be taken shortly.
Double teaming is just part of the game you have to deal with. It happens on all sides but at different times. Sometimes you are the road kill and sometimes you are the 18 wheeler. Find your own fun to adapt to every situation or you will just end up frustrated.
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Perception: Nits and Rooks have a secret alliance and only fight Bish.
Truth: It is much easier to herd cats than it is to have 2 people (never mind 2 countries) to work in cohesion
Perception: They don't fight each other and horde us
Truth: I wish they would fight each other so we can horde them
Map, lay out of bases and just sparking country mates interest plays a major role in game dynamics than anything here. Has absolutely nothing to do if you are bish, nit or rook.
:aok
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P-47d11 for the win...
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I think a lot of this whole thread has been misread.
ENY (plane choice) seems to only apply to where it matters in the wee/early morning US hours. When there are all of 20-50 ppl playing. There is hardly a time where I see the higher ENY side doing the hording regardless of what country it is. Although lately it's not the Rooks, but their low numbers are causing it. Take into account guys sitting in the tower, and you can have 8 guys attacking a base who have lower ENY than you, two of you up to defend but many can't fight in the planes they would like to in this situation, so others choose not to. OH well, :bhead , you guys keep calling it a whine, keep saying you know better - fact is you are not there from what I've seen.
Login and see how many ppl are unhappy with it sometime, even heard one guy today say he's done after many years here...
It does not stop me, I'm not advocating to be able to horde in uber rides. I'm advocating for players who spend money to be here to be able to choose to fly the plane they like. :bhead
Today this happened at 7:30am EST
P.S. My squad does not allow me to switch, or I would.
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I think a lot of this whole thread has been misread.
ENY (plane choice) seems to only apply to where it matters in the wee/early morning US hours. When there are all of 20-50 ppl playing. There is hardly a time where I see the higher ENY side doing the hording regardless of what country it is. Although lately it's not the Rooks, but their low numbers are causing it. Take into account guys sitting in the tower, and you can have 8 guys attacking a base who have lower ENY than you, two of you up to defend but many can't fight in the planes they would like to in this situation, so others choose not to. OH well, :bhead , you guys keep calling it a whine, keep saying you know better - fact is you are not there from what I've seen.
Login and see how many ppl are unhappy with it sometime, even heard one guy today say he's done after many years here...
It does not stop me, I'm not advocating to be able to horde in uber rides. I'm advocating for players who spend money to be here to be able to choose to fly the plane they like. :bhead
Today this happened at 7:30am EST
P.S. My squad does not allow me to switch, or I would.
Your squad might not let you switch sides but there is most certainly many other players online (especially during the early hours) who can switch sides, and they'd love to do so but the 12 hour rule keeps them from doing so. Reducing the 12 hour rule would solve all of the imbalanced side problems and ENY problems.
I'm not trying to hijack this thread into another side switch timer debate. I'm just saying that it would fix the problem even better than changing the min-ENY limit.
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Your squad might not let you switch sides but there is most certainly many other players online (especially during the early hours) who can switch sides, and they'd love to do so but the 12 hour rule keeps them from doing so. Reducing the 12 hour rule would solve all of the imbalanced side problems and ENY problems.
I'm not trying to hijack this thread into another side switch timer debate. I'm just saying that it would fix the problem even better than changing the min-ENY limit.
+1
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109F is a lovely substitute for the Spit IX.
The Fredrich was a fighter/bomber/bomber hunter....... to bad it not in this game. We might see more of them up if the other variants were added back to the game.
Wheres Bruno,
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P-47d11 for the win...
:aok
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Your squad might not let you switch sides but there is most certainly many other players online (especially during the early hours) who can switch sides, and they'd love to do so but the 12 hour rule keeps them from doing so. Reducing the 12 hour rule would solve all of the imbalanced side problems and ENY problems.
I'm not trying to hijack this thread into another side switch timer debate. I'm just saying that it would fix the problem even better than changing the min-ENY limit.
LaTrobe, from my recollections, when we had 2 arena's and could switch every hour the sides were no more balanced than they are now. Maybe even less so, compounded by the fact that if you went to the other MA you would mostly find the same thing but with different countries outnumbered. I believe there is only the presumption that changing the one hour limit would solve anything. Yes players like you that want to keep the sides balanced would switch but I would put forward the idea that there are just as many that would go against the "side balancing" and switch just to be in the hord.
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LaTrobe, from my recollections, when we had 2 arena's and could switch every hour the sides were no more balanced than they are now. Maybe even less so, compounded by the fact that if you went to the other MA you would mostly find the same thing but with different countries outnumbered. I believe there is only the presumption that changing the one hour limit would solve anything. Yes players like you that want to keep the sides balanced would switch but I would put forward the idea that there are just as many that would go against the "side balancing" and switch just to be in the hord.
that may be, but at least the rest of us would have a choice to not be part of it.
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The Fredrich was a fighter/bomber/bomber hunter....... to bad it not in this game. We might see more of them up if the other variants were added back to the game.
Wheres Bruno,
? I'm not sure I understand.
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Just fly the Ki-43 and all your ENY problems are solved.
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The irony is, the same people that complain about ENY are the same people that would screaming "WE NEED TO FIX THIS!!!!" if they were on the low numbered side, and were being pummeled by Pee-51's. <shrug>
Some people are just born to complain...
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Your squad might not let you switch sides but there is most certainly many other players online (especially during the early hours) who can switch sides, and they'd love to do so but the 12 hour rule keeps them from doing so. Reducing the 12 hour rule would solve all of the imbalanced side problems and ENY problems.
I'm not trying to hijack this thread into another side switch timer debate. I'm just saying that it would fix the problem even better than changing the min-ENY limit.
Latrobe,
What if the majority decided to switch to the side with bigger numbers? Not all are looking for balance; some just want to win the war or force a map reset.
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Latrobe,
What if the majority decided to switch to the side with bigger numbers? Not all are looking for balance; some just want to win the war or force a map reset.
The last post that wanted change with the hour switch limit aspen suggested this.
12 hours for any side
1 hour for lower populated side
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P-47d11 for the win...
Yep! My go to AC.
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The irony is, the same people that complain about ENY are the same people that would screaming "WE NEED TO FIX THIS!!!!" if they were on the low numbered side, and were being pummeled by Pee-51's. <shrug>
Some people are just born to complain...
I've stated several times in here, at least for me that would not be the case, don't lump all of us in there.
I know that I'm not alone on thid based off of what I hear almost every early morning I log in. Numerous times this has been talked about on 200 during those very high eny times, and at least those that chime in are in favor of getting rid of it, players from all 3 countries. Sure 200 may not be the prevailing opinion, no way to know. But what's really the difference? Tons of P51's when there's no ENY, if you're playing when there is high ENY, you know that there is too few players on for it to really matter, at most you'd be dealing with what 8 of them? Up from a base one removed; problem there solved. I'll just do what dirt said and up a turny bird...However, I don't think what you said will happen, least not in the early morn hours.
I'm imagine it's not going to change - thread out :airplane:
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I just don't get the ENY.
Again, I'm not sure what problem it solves.
I do know that it generates a bazillion complaints.
It's enabled to handicap a side that has more players....why? :salute
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I just don't get the ENY.
Again, I'm not sure what problem it solves.
I do know that it generates a bazillion complaints.
It's enabled to handicap a side that has more players....why?
1. It prevents the side that has an overwhelming advantage in numbers from flying the best planes too. This forces people that what to fly the hot planes to move to the disadvantaged side if they want to. If they don't want to change sides, they fly what's available until the sides get even numbers.
2. see #1
3. see #1
4. see #1
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1. It prevents the side that has an overwhelming advantage in numbers from flying the best planes too. This forces people that what to fly the hot planes to move to the disadvantaged side if they want to. If they don't want to change sides, they fly what's available until the sides get even numbers.
2. see #1
3. see #1
4. see #1
Not true. You can't switch back when the numbers get even because of the 12 hour rule.
What is "Overwhelming advantage?" Are what are the effects of "Overwhelming advantage?" Numbers advantage is a micro effect, not a macro one. If there are 100 bish on compared to 200 rook and 200 nights, the bish can still have 30 of those 100 show up at one base and horde it. The Bish will have Overwhelming Advantage. Hording is almost never a function of who has the most players online. ENY fixes nothing. :salute
It's all about what's going on in a very small specific area of the map, and that changes every 15 minutes. Hording is like the weather, and you guys talk about ENY like it's the solution to global warming. :lol
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ENY fixes nothing. :salute
That is because ENY mostly effects fighters, fighters being rather irrelevant to map moving, and isn't applied to the best bombers or to ordinance. The ENY of the Lanc, B-24, and B-17G should be 5. And/or there should be a perk price on all ordinance which can be increased precipitously when ENY kicks in.
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I just don't get the ENY.
Again, I'm not sure what problem it solves.
I do know that it generates a bazillion complaints.
It's enabled to handicap a side that has more players....why? :salute
I feel that ENY has been tamed/relaxed a little since the 12hour rule. It doesn't seem to kick up it's maximum value anymore.
It's always about the AHs average pilot's base instinct, ganging. Want to get ganged by 5 P51D's or P40Es?
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I feel that ENY has been tamed/relaxed a little since the 12hour rule. It doesn't seem to kick up it's maximum value anymore.
The main reason of the occasionally excessive ENY limits of the past was the two arena setup. During prime time, usually one chesspiece was utterly dominating LWO while the side being at the wrong end of the stick had it's players joining LWB where their chesspiece was in turn having the numbers.
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The main reason of the occasionally excessive ENY limits of the past was the two arena setup. During prime time, usually one chesspiece was utterly dominating LWO while the side being at the wrong end of the stick had it's players joining LWB where their chesspiece was in turn having the numbers.
True Lusche, but if we got rid of it, what would happen?
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True Lusche, but if we got rid of it, what would happen?
The BBS would explode.
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I feel that ENY has been tamed/relaxed a little since the 12hour rule. It doesn't seem to kick up it's maximum value anymore.
It's always about the AHs average pilot's base instinct, ganging. Want to get ganged by 5 P51D's or P40Es?
Let's say ENY forced that scenario...
I would still whine about getting ganged. = 1 whine.
They would whine about being forced into P-40s = 5 whines.
=6 total whines
No ENY
I would still whine about getting ganged. = 1 whine.
= 1 total whine
Do you think it really relieves whining by the side that has fewer players? And if so, isn't that amount immeasurable compared to all the "ENY Stinks!" ranting? :salute
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The BBS would explode.
:rofl
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When they gang/outnumber the one guy, they have no right to complain about ENY forcing P40s and will be ignored for being a big baby. :old:
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The main reason of the occasionally excessive ENY limits of the past was the two arena setup. During prime time, usually one chesspiece was utterly dominating LWO while the side being at the wrong end of the stick had it's players joining LWB where their chesspiece was in turn having the numbers.
In these cases I would either switch arenas or sides to avoid being on ridiculously overnumbered side. Now with essentially one active arena to play in and the 12 hour rule one hasn`t a choice EXCEPT to be a gang-tard in a P40
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When they gang/outnumber the one guy, they have no right to complain about ENY forcing P40s and will be ignored for being a big baby. :old:
Yes, and since they have no right to complain, they won't? :D
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When they gang/outnumber the one guy, they have no right to complain about ENY forcing P40s and will be ignored for being a big baby. :old:
I'll quote myself for your benefit Vinkman and highlight the important part
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I'll quote myself for your benefit Vinkman and highlight the important part
yes but that's .001% of ENY complainers. what about the other 99.999%?
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ENY makes perfect sense as a stick with which to hit the over-numbered side with until some of them switch chess pieces, or it WOULD if one actually had the option of switching. As it is now, I can see why people wonder what the purpose is.
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It still makes sense. It gives the outnumbered side an edge with better AC available.
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It still makes sense. It gives the outnumbered side an edge with better AC available.
why does that make sense? Is the war supposed to be a draw?
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why does that make sense? Is the war supposed to be a draw?
This a game ,not "war" and players cry if things are not fair in their games. ;)
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why does that make sense? Is the war supposed to be a draw?
No, one country will win, they always do. My point is the ENY is not only used to encourage players to switch sides
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No, one country will win, they always do. My point is the ENY is not only used to encourage players to switch sides
"the war" is never ending. and eny has never encourage players to switch sides to where it will actually balance the sides. been playing for 7 or more years and eny has very seldom lasted more than a few minutes. and only because new people will log in.
pretty sure all this "myths" about eny, switch times and such other non-sense would go away if hitech would release data to back it up. then again it's not something that most of the players base really care about. the ones who really care or complain take your pick are in the minority.
semp
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It still makes sense. It gives the outnumbered side an edge with better AC available.
No, now the people disgusted with ENY only have the option of logging, NOT a good option if you want the game to survive.
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We had two LWMAs and one hour side switches for almost all the years I previously played. Often the prospect of more targets, avoiding ENY, finding a fight, perk bonuses or some combination thereof led to me switching sides.
"the war" is never ending. and eny has never encourage players to switch sides to where it will actually balance the sides. been playing for 7 or more years and eny has very seldom lasted more than a few minutes. and only because new people will log in.
pretty sure all this "myths" about eny, switch times and such other non-sense would go away if hitech would release data to back it up. then again it's not something that most of the players base really care about. the ones who really care or complain take your pick are in the minority.
semp
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ENY works or would work rather if people complained less.People can still fly anything they want. I know miraculous right? What is this secret I have learned that allows it all to work out in everyone's favor you say? It's actually easy, here it is: Switch sides. ENY encourages people to switch to the outnumbered side so they are not restricted in what they can fly, thus balancing the sides. So barring squad restrictions switch to the low number side and enjoy flying anything you want. Since switching to 1 arena and 12 hour switch ENY swings have stabilized quite a bit (Where's Lusche? :lol ) I remember quite often seeing crushing ENY numbers in the 2 arena setup with the 1 hour switch, that said with 1 arena I think it would be worth a shot to at least try out 1 hour switch time and see how it goes. ENY is just there to encourage players to balance the sides themselves, so if you are complaining about ENY and don't have any squad restrictions on side switching then honestly you only have yourself to blame. I no longer switch sides (squad) and accept that at times my side will have ENY restrictions, though personally I usually don't realize it until someone else mentions we have ENY.
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ENY is just there to encourage players to balance the sides themselves, so if you are complaining about ENY and don't have any squad restrictions on side switching then honestly you only have yourself to blame. I no longer switch sides (squad) and accept that at times my side will have ENY restrictions, though personally I usually don't realize it until someone else mentions we have ENY.
With one switch every 12 hours it doesn't work, you'll just be stuck on the over-numbered side later.
Last night Knit ENY got too high to fly a 190A5 at times. But if I had switched at 3 or 4, hours and hours of my playing time today would have been spent on the high numbers side AND on the wrong side for my squad.
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It does not make sense. How is that it makes sense when ENY is 25+ when there is a difference of 8 players when the arena totals less than 50, but when one side outnumbers the other a weekend night by 50 there is no ENY at all. :headscratch:
I know how it works, it's a %, I'm saying how does that make sense?
:bhead thought I was finished in this one