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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Sunka on March 04, 2014, 03:11:05 PM
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So i cant believe im feeling the need as strong as i am but...
In the past tour i realized with my planes of choice i can live for the most part if i choose to.
So i decided to move on to different planes or a plane from my comfort zone.
So in the last two days i have flown everything under the sun and in that list was the 38,Full disclosing (I was never a big 38 fan) I thought of it as a whole lota target.
But after i got in and realized a few things
1 I love American birds and this IS one very much so aside from the easy compression, 2 its fast with good power up high and down low,so it can be a multiple purpose hunter 3 It can easily out turn the fast planes and out power the turners.
I know there are some real differences from one version to another ,but know not what they are,and i know like most birds there are tricks to it that one can teach.
So im looking for a well advanced 38 stick to maybe wing up some time if anyone would be willing. :aok
:rolleyes:
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Compressibility is one of the easiest things to avoid in the P-38, if you've entered into a compressibility state then you've screwed up. That's my tip of the day.
ack-ack
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Compressibility is one of the easiest things to avoid in the P-38, if you've entered into a compressibility state then you've screwed up. That's my tip of the day.
ack-ack
Put it into practice tonight,ty.
Hope i get a tip every day. ;)
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I got my award for landing 500 kills tonight,was done in a p38 j. :rolleyes:
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To be successful in the 38 you need to become a very, very good picker. Keep others around you as a shield of sorts so they can keep the wolfs away since the 38 is about the best piece of meat in game. Delirium works this about as well as it can be done. Watch Lazer as well.
Not that you can't get a lot of kills in the 38 as a loner. You will just be killed a lot without friendly support in hot areas. The 38 is almost always everyone's first choice in targets. Having as many as eight on your tail at once is common if you don't have friendly skies to zoom back too. Fun though.
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P-38 has some great tools to work with when the numbers are low, but in the furball its just to damn big and eye catching to be useful for anything other than strict BmZ. In all honestly I feel this way about most American fighters, via f4u,p47,f6f,p51, However for some reason people just want to shoot at a p-38 more.
I'm not to familiar with the p-38, but I know several guys who a get into that plane and seem completely unstoppable.
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To be successful in the 38 you need to become a very, very good picker.
No you don't.
Not that you can't get a lot of kills in the 38 as a loner. You will just be killed a lot without friendly support in hot areas. The 38 is almost always everyone's first choice in targets. Having as many as eight on your tail at once is common if you don't have friendly skies to zoom back too. Fun though.
I usually get 3-5 kills per sortie in the P-38J flying alone as I normally don't fly with a wingman. Quite frankly, I would suggest those wanting to learn the P-38 not take any advice that you've given because it's not good advice.
ack-ack
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Compressibility is one of the easiest things to avoid in the P-38, if you've entered into a compressibility state then you've screwed up. That's my tip of the day.
ack-ack
Compressibility and compressing it into a Knight hangar, of which the latter seems like one of the easiest things for a Bishop to do. :devil
Sunka:
What's the P not B thing all about? :airplane:'d over my head.
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I'm with Ack-Ack on this what Randy and some of these other have said is not true, Get with him, any of the 80th Head Hunters or others who run the 38 a lot they will in just a few minutes give you lots of info.
Oh and Sunka folks always make fun of the 38 because its such a large airframe as a fighter and they call it a bomber hence the "B"-38 vs. "P"-38 Its a great a/c and when flown right is just as dangerous if not more so than Hogs, ponys and Jugs. and 109s save the K shouldn't have many chances when flown to strengths.
Of course Ack correct me if I'm wrong in any regard you're the 38 driver here so far.
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To be successful in the 38 you need to become a very, very good picker. Keep others around you as a shield of sorts so they can keep the wolfs away since the 38 is about the best piece of meat in game. Delirium works this about as well as it can be done. Watch Lazer as well.
No offense but this is the exact opposite of what these guys do. Id put these gents ACM against most anyone in the game....in whatever choice of ride the adversary wants...at any alt with equal E states
(oh and Sunka....welcome to the enlightened side of the game :D ) If ya need any spare parts, just shout :aok
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No offense but this is the exact opposite of what these guys do. Id put these gents ACM against most anyone in the game....in whatever choice of ride the adversary wants...at any alt with equal E states
(oh and Sunka....welcome to the enlightened side of the game :D ) If ya need any spare parts, just shout :aok
Note I did not question a 38s ability against a 1v1 type situation. It is in a crowd that picking and retreat to your support is the way to go.
Picking is not a dirty word. Everybody does it.
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Sunka:
What's the P not B thing all about? :airplane:'d over my head.
folks always make fun of the 38 because its such a large airframe as a fighter and they call it a bomber hence the "B"-38 vs. "P"-38
This. :aok . I always also made fun of its size.But wanted to retract my statement. :D
(oh and Sunka....welcome to the enlightened side of the game :D ) If ya need any spare parts, just shout :aok
Ty mbailey,i'll need all the help parts and tips i can get. :cheers:
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Note I did not question a 38s ability against a 1v1 type situation. It is in a crowd that picking and retreat to your support is the way to go.
Picking is not a dirty word. Everybody does it.
Picking can be done with efficiency with most if not all birds (to a point). But its not necessarily the best way to learn to "Dogfight" em.
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So far this seems a good start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_DqFAbtrps#t=213
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To be successful in the 38 you need to become a very, very good picker. Keep others around you as a shield of sorts so they can keep the wolfs away since the 38 is about the best piece of meat in game. Delirium works this about as well as it can be done. Watch Lazer as well.
No, you don't have to be a picker to score kills. However, you need to be aware that the P38 often garners more attention than any other aircraft. Depending on my mood, I get down and dirty and fight multiples, or fly smart as my 38 always draws the cons towards me.
Couple nights ago was a good example, as I ended up fighting 5 at a time. Not because I had a chance in heck of success, entering the fight below the enemy cons, but because I wanted to see how many I could kill before I died (3 dead, 1 damaged was the result). Later, I flew smart and had a bunch of 1v1s which I truly enjoyed. If the fight is more a test of SA than ACM, and I've experienced a few gangs taking me down, I have no trouble adapting the situation.
Fly with me for a night, I'll show you how it goes. :salute
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No, you don't have to be a picker to score kills. However, you need to be aware that the P38 often garners more attention than any other aircraft. Depending on my mood, I get down and dirty and fight multiples, or fly smart as my 38 always draws the cons towards me.
Couple nights ago was a good example, as I ended up fighting 5 at a time. Not because I had a chance in heck of success, entering the fight below the enemy cons, but because I wanted to see how many I could kill before I died (3 dead, 1 damaged was the result). Later, I flew smart and had a bunch of 1v1s which I truly enjoyed.
Fly with me for a night, I'll show you how it goes. :salute
If i can ,at any point get some time with ya Del i would sure appreciate it.
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If i can ,at any point get some time with ya Del i would sure appreciate it.
Sure... I'm available tonight or tomorrow after 8pm est, but I'm not available on Friday.
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However, you need to be aware that the P38 often garners more attention than any other aircraft. Depending on my mood, I get down and dirty and fight multiples, or fly smart as my 38 always draws the cons towards me.
P38 is fun. But try futzing around in a 110G if you really want to attract bad guys.
Furballs. Egressing away to land or rearm. Just flying around in a group with other friendlies. It won't matter. First red guy to show up will make a bee line directly to your big, slow and ugly two-engined ride. It's almost like a natural law or something at work. :D :aok
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Oh, I see :lol
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No, you don't have to be a picker to score kills.
I did not say that albeit my replay was strongly worded in that direction. Getting kills and being successful are related but getting kills is only half of the story.
The P38 is a good choice and I think the best training plane in AH. Don't get me wrong on that. I rotate between the P38 and the P47 tour to tour.
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The P38 is a good choice and I think the best training plane in AH.
Aside from initially learning how to take off and land, I feel you're wrong on that. A newer player is better off learning how fight on something that has torque since aside from just a few planes in the plane set, they will have to learn to deal with it.
The Spit9, Me109F4/G2, C205, and (if the guy is a good shot) the Yak are far better suited for this purpose.
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Sure... I'm available tonight or tomorrow after 8pm est, but I'm not available on Friday.
I'll be on. :salute
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Sunka look me up when you're online next, i have a few tips that will help out alot. P38 being so stable can setup some awesome overshoot kill opportunities. Some of my best kills are when 3 or 4 guys are diving on you like slab of bacon. IMO those are the most fun. :cheers:
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Sunka look me up when you're online next, i have a few tips that will help out alot. P38 being so stable can setup some awesome overshoot kill opportunities. Some of my best kills are when 3 or 4 guys are diving on you like slab of bacon. IMO those are the most fun. :cheers:
Sure will Lazer !!,ty a lot for the offer.
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Lazer and Ack Ack, and Citabria back in the day are the 3 guys I would listen too, and ask personally if I was going to be fighting in the P38. I can attest to Ack Ack lately especially, he's almost always hunting on his own, I only see him when I'm doing the same thing and run into him in the area where the fight is, and he's always offset fighting 1, 2, 3 or more guys doing his own little thing.
Lazer has always been a house on fire in the thing too, even though he lies about flying with only a mouse - hah hah.
Fester/Cit, what more needs to be said, he's good in anything, but when this game first started, he was always in that P38, and I joined his squad to learn the thing, something I never really did, but I can attest to how good he was in it.
Sunka is good enough to figure it out on his own, I doubt he needs a whole lot of advice or hand holding, as he has super solid acm and accuracy already, it's just a matter of slight adjustments with the P38, and he already stated the "big" ones.
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I need a player from Wisconsin to please come watch me fly a few sorties to confirm a mouse is being used. :D
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We would never trust anyone from Wisconsin. Cheese heads lie.
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If I lived in Wisconsin, I'd take Lazer's offer, if he put on some pants.
ack-ack
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It always surprises me when talk of learning the P38 comes up. Nobody mentions "Twinboom" and while he is my CO, I still think he is one of THE best 38 jocks out there.
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38s can do some amazing things in the vertical. I usually know immediately, like on his first move, if I ran into the wrong stick in one.
Im not one but I have found, in my opinion, the best managers of energy are often in P38s.
It always surprises me when talk of learning the P38 comes up. Nobody mentions "Twinboom" and while he is my CO, I still think he is one of THE best 38 jocks out there.
Ya, and the thing about him is he will often seek out bad odds and still fly against them. He is far better then his K/D indicates which is why I distrust that stat. For the most part K/D is a cherry-pickers stat.
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It always surprises me when talk of learning the P38 comes up. Nobody mentions "Twinboom" and while he is my CO, I still think he is one of THE best 38 jocks out there.
The few times i have come across TB he has always impressed me greatly. :aok
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One thing all the great P-38 pilots in this game have in common is their ability to maintain a high enough energy state to keep the fight in the verticle. The verticle fight is the 38's strength. I've had the fortunate and or unfortunate opportunity to fight most of these great 38's sticks at one time or another. Win or lose it always became a game of energy conservation and patience. Most of these great 38 sticks are also very patient, and thats a trait that comes with much experience. They wait till they get enough of an E advantage to use it for shot coming from above, sometimes this may take a half dozen merges to drain an opponent enough that they can no longer get their nose around and are vulnerable.
I can still remember when I flew in the MA's regularly, I really hated the Del/shuffler p-38 combination. I and whoever was my wingy that night lost quite a few hogs to that combination, those were scary times :O :aok
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BigRat
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It always surprises me when talk of learning the P38 comes up. Nobody mentions "Twinboom" and while he is my CO, I still think he is one of THE best 38 jocks out there.
Twinbooms a great guy....great stick...and i agree with you 100% :aok
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. . . Win or lose it always became a game of energy conservation and patience. Most of these great 38 sticks are also very patient, and thats a trait that comes with much experience. They wait till they get enough of an E advantage to use it for shot coming from above, sometimes this may take a half dozen merges to drain an opponent enough that they can no longer get their nose around and are vulnerable.
I can still remember when I flew in the MA's regularly, I really hated the Del/shuffler p-38 combination. I and whoever was my wingy that night lost quite a few hogs to that combination, those were scary times :O :aok
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BigRat
An excellent assessment.
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Twinbooms a great guy....great stick...and i agree with you 100% :aok
Twinboom is a great guy and a hell of a stick. About 6months after I started playing I found him low and slow with a 38 on one engine. I howled in for an easy kill and he beat me like I'd slept with his sister. Lovely guy though and gave me a few tips afterwards :aok
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Sure... I'm available tonight or tomorrow after 8pm est, but I'm not available on Friday.
Last night i had to get off right at 8 pm Est,i'll be on tonight after 8 god willing ,if your around,
in MA?
Most of these great 38 sticks are also very patient, and thats a trait that comes with much experience. They wait till they get enough of an E advantage to use it for shot coming from above, sometimes this may take a half dozen merges to drain an opponent enough that they can no longer get their nose around and are vulnerable.
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BigRat
Very good advice ty Rat. :aok
I like to think of myself as a very successful E fighter if nothing else,so i hope it helps.
I found last night on the deck i could stay alive and getting assist but getting kills is escaping me atm.
Im flat turning and not staying vert enough though do believe.
This bird still feels very big and heavy to me,I'll get used to it. :salute
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Last night i had to get off right at 8 pm Est,i'll be on tonight after 8 god willing ,if your around,
in MA?
Yep, I should be on after 8pm est. Still fighting a nasty cold, but I should be alert enough.
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Yep, I should be on after 8pm est. Still fighting a nasty cold, but I should be alert enough.
Ah,right on.
Well if your not up for it ,no worries.
Im not in a rush to become mega in this thing. :rolleyes:
I'll be learning and flying it for a long while I'm sure.
:salute
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The dueling arena is a fun place to practice in a 38. I try to stay at the take off altitude to give reds an altitude advantage. To me it is practice so I don't care if I get taken down. Giving them the advantage is the best practice to me. Lots of spits, and 109s. I do the same thing with the P47.
One of favorite practice times in the DA is get the 38 in a flat turn on the deck while holding full up elevator with a turney plane. You might not win all of them but good practice. Add flaps, WEP and so on to see what effect it has. Snap turn directions will add to the fun.
Another is go on the deck in DA and wait for the attack Give them your six. You can practice over shoots and turn avoidance.
The DA is the best place for defensive practice.
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Sunka just became a man!! WTG dude! :rock
The best part of flying the 38 for me is it's very much a jack of all trades. I almost always feel like I have some options flying it no matter the situation because it does so many things well.
The worst part of flying the 38 for me is it's very much a jack of all trades. I almost always feel like I have some options flying it no matter the situation because it does so many things well.
:)
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Another is go on the deck in DA and wait for the attack Give them your six. You can practice over shoots and turn avoidance.
The DA is the best place for defensive practice.
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I would only add to also try doing the same with less capable planes or "hanger queens" as well....especially ones that have difficulty regaining E quickly. You will find it helps with general timing and E management skills. It's also will bring a big grin when you are killing LAs, Spiteens and K4s in a low and slow P39. :D
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I found last night on the deck i could stay alive and getting assist but getting kills is escaping me atm.
The deck is a bad place to be in any plane especially the 38 as it's so attractive! Stay fast when down low so you can get back upstairs quickly.
Im flat turning and not staying vert enough though do believe.
Not a big fan of flat turning in any bird really. Terribly inefficient! Problem in doing that with the 38 is there's always gonna be another either more turny plane around or somebody waiting for you to go into turny mode that's gonna zap ya. It's not really flying to it's strengths but like any other engagement it depends on your SA and what you're fighting. It does turn quite nicely although it's no Zeke.
This bird still feels very big and heavy to me,I'll get used to it. :salute
Not your imagination. She's a big heavy. Keep that in mind and use it to your advantage. :salute
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One of favorite practice times in the DA is get the 38 in a flat turn on the deck while holding full up elevator with a turney plane. You might not win all of them but good practice. Add flaps, WEP and so on to see what effect it has. Snap turn directions will add to the fun.
What do you mean "holding full up elevator"? Are you saying that you trim your elevators to full up while in a turn fight?
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I know right! It seems counterintuitive but I find myself constantly re-trimming down in order to counter the pitch up tendency when slow. I hate fighting the stick in turns. I only trim up when getting fast as the opposite happens. Don't use auto trim in other than transit either.
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I know right! It seems counterintuitive but I find myself constantly re-trimming down in order to counter the pitch up tendency when slow. I hate fighting the stick in turns. I only trim up when getting fast as the opposite happens. Don't use auto trim in other than transit either.
The reason I asked Randy1 to clarify is that some players still believe the AH urban myth that trimming full up elevator will somehow make you turn tighter in a turn fight.
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+1 For Twinboom as well, he's incredibly good in it. The last scenario I flew I had a great 1v1 in a 109 vs his P51 that turned into about a 90 second scissor fight, which he won. Nice guy too, doesn't even get angry when I call him TwinTailBoom on 200.
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I refuse to wear pants.
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I refuse to wear pants.
Well I now know whom I won't be buying any furniture from :bolt:
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BigRat
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Well I now know whom I won't be buying any furniture from :bolt:
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BigRat
For Sale: White leather couch, only.sat on while bear assed in a muggy environment. $7.00.
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Thank you Delirium for your time tonight.Lots of great info, and adjustments to be made.
I'll keep working at it. :aok
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What do you mean "holding full up elevator"? Are you saying that you trim your elevators to full up while in a turn fight?
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I do use manual trim but don't make any special settings for turns.
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See Rules #2, #4
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Thank you Delirium for your time tonight.Lots of great info, and adjustments to be made.
I'll keep working at it. :aok
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Just wanted to re post this Del as it was getting lost in the muck. :rolleyes:
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See Rules #2, #4
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See Rules #2, #4
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he isn't British but Welsh! :old:
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See Rules #2, #4
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So the 38 dose not have prop torque in any one direction.
When i get into a rolling scissors with most planes seance im using rudder and no prop torque ,it makes seance to usually roll to the right to have an advantage?
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So the 38 dose not have prop torque in any one direction.
When i get into a rolling scissors with most planes seance im using rudder and no prop torque ,it makes seance to usually roll to the right to have an advantage?
If you can force it one way or another, I'd force it against his prop torque for sure.
Speaking of the 38 torque, if you have a split throttle (or an excuse to upgrade :D) it does help in flat scissoring to use differential throttle. The 38 rolls pretty well once you get her spinning, but is pretty sluggish to establish the roll. Throttle work helps noticeably.
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If you can force it one way or another, I'd force it against his prop torque for sure.
Speaking of the 38 torque, if you have a split throttle (or an excuse to upgrade :D) it does help in flat scissoring to use differential throttle. The 38 rolls pretty well once you get her spinning, but is pretty sluggish to establish the roll. Throttle work helps noticeably.
Right now im using my sidewinder stick 1 throttle,i am not sure if i could hook another (just) throttle and have it work?
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Right now im using my sidewinder stick 1 throttle,i am not sure if i could hook another (just) throttle and have it work?
It should. It might be a bit cumbersome depending on how close you can mount them. Every dual throttle I've seen has some way to lock the two together so you can operate them as one until you need to decouple them.
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So the 38 dose not have prop torque in any one direction.
When i get into a rolling scissors with most planes seance im using rudder and no prop torque ,it makes seance to usually roll to the right to have an advantage?
Roll the opposite of the bandit's torque. For example, if I'm in a rolling scissors against a Bf 109, I'll try and force the rolling scissors to the right and the speed hovering around stall. The reason is, at low speeds, the Bf 109F has difficulty rolling to the right.
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Right now im using my sidewinder stick 1 throttle,i am not sure if i could hook another (just) throttle and have it work?
Quite honestly, you don't need a dual throttle for the P-38. There is no real benefit using one other than the immersion factor, though it will aid in recovering from certain spins and nice and pretty hammerheads.
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Quite honestly, you don't need a dual throttle for the P-38. There is no real benefit using one other than the immersion factor, though it will aid in recovering from certain spins and nice and pretty hammerheads.
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Dont forget doing donuts on the runway!
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It should. It might be a bit cumbersome depending on how close you can mount them. Every dual throttle I've seen has some way to lock the two together so you can operate them as one until you need to decouple them.
If you use two throttles that don't normally connect you can use modes to let one throttle control both engines then switch modes when you need both throttles.
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Quite honestly, you don't need a dual throttle for the P-38. There is no real benefit using one other than the immersion factor, though it will aid in recovering from certain spins and nice and pretty hammerheads.
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Flat scissoring. Cutting throttle to the side you're trying to roll helps noticeably. Whether it helps you win the fight is another story, but you can certainly change roll direction faster.
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Cutting one engine also helps you roll when you're stalled. The L doesn't snap roll like the J so it may benefit more from dual throttles.
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I have also noticed a real odd stall i have never felt.
Under 95 with full flaps in a rolling scissors in the right angle she feels like she is about to flat spin ,but i hit full throttle i don't even need to go nose down just raise flaps and she pulls right into a straight line.
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After flying the P38 for about a year and a half, I can say that patience is a very important factor. In a 1 on 1, you can push the envelope a little more but if you have a few red guys around, you have to fly smarter, not harder. Shuffler is my mortal nme in midwar. Even vs multiple, if he cannot kill a con, he will not let you kill him by flying foolishly. Just can't buy experience :) It will come at dying many, many times over. And it's a fact that nme planes will dive right through a higher cover to come and try and pick the big/fat B-38 3k lower than everybody else lol Sometimes you're the hunter, sometimes you're the prey. ;)
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To be successful in the 38 you need to become a very, very good picker. Keep others around you as a shield of sorts so they can keep the wolfs away since the 38 is about the best piece of meat in game. Delirium works this about as well as it can be done. Watch Lazer as well.
Not that you can't get a lot of kills in the 38 as a loner. You will just be killed a lot without friendly support in hot areas. The 38 is almost always everyone's first choice in targets. Having as many as eight on your tail at once is common if you don't have friendly skies to zoom back too. Fun though.
:rofl You are wrong with all of it.
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Been "looking for" more difficult fights and been finding em,i think i made the p51 and the C hog that started at alt made when i blew one up then the other. Getting my rolling scissors down much better. Fun being in a bait plane ,np finding a fight.
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Fun being in a bait plane ,np finding a fight.
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Nah....thats just because we snuck in the hanger and painted a big bullseye on ur plane......and i think the "Aim Here" was a nice touch :D
Sounds like your enjoying yourself Sunka...... :aok :aok
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Having a blast.
This bird is a lot more capable of (fighting) then i ever thought it.
Much like the pony many people just fly it like pansy's, i have found when "if" you learn it well it can (fight) the heck out of it.
I have also found that the 38 makes such a juicy target ,even when a combatant is loosing the merges and loosing the advantage ,they still can't pull off as they are fixated on the 38's shapely backside.
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Dose anyone have a preference on what tanks they burn fuel from first?
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I've never heard of a preference in Aces High.
Historically, (from what I remember) the later model birds would drain the leading edge fuel tanks first (earlier model birds had oil in those tanks). These tanks are not modeled in AH but are represented in the overall fuel load carried by the P38.
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I've never seen any benefit to anything other than the default burn order
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I blame Mir as well.
I tried so hard to figure the 38 out. I think to the point of flying it for a couple of months. I could never get past my single engine habits and ended up in horrible position. Trying to "get skinny" worked for a bit until I mismanaged E and position, consistently. Got frustrated and went back to single engines.
Anyone who can fly into a furball in a 38 and fly back out again (parts missing or not) is a supreme stick <S>.
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^ this :salute
As opposed to the mongs that fly in en masse alongside a ruck of Pony's to hit a bade.
They are as unskilled as they are pleasant to kill :banana:
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Dose anyone have a preference on what tanks they burn fuel from first?
let the auto-fuel manage it. You'll get no benefit to manually adjusting the fuel.
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