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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wpeters on March 09, 2014, 12:21:27 AM
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This is awesome footage. Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqcI2g2bbkc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-5pPEq7O4k
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What a crazy idiot
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Remember the guy who stole the Tank?
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Remember the guy who stole the Tank?
No I don't. Wha happened
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Remember the guy who stole the Tank?
yup :aok
they killed that guy
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No I don't. Wha happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMoP9srA2c
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http://youtu.be/PZbG9i1oGPA
The tank reminded me of this one.
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Where's that load of lumber I've been waiting for? :headscratch: :O
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What a crazy idiot
Yup the cops were crazy shooting like that. Lucky no one else got shoot.
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I love how that wheel went rolling down the street
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What a crazy idiot
The truck driver, or the cops???
I think there is plenty of idiot to go around in that clip.. :rolleyes:
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Yup the cops were crazy shooting like that. Lucky no one else got shoot.
Tell me your kidding.
One copper shot, and he hit what he aimed at. You have to balance use of force with the danger that truck posed to the public. Boy even when they make the right call the Police get blamed.
I guess you'd have to be involved in one of these things to truly realize the risk the public is in during them. Which is why its very rare for the Police to still chase. Unless its extreme circumstances its just to dangerous. I sure dont miss them.
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That cop was awesome, 1 shot 1 hit. :old:
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I thought the cops acted properly. If anything I expected more aggressiveness on their part. The truck posed a huge threat to public safety and property. That some people were cheering him on was just disgraceful. They should face charges for being complicit to the crime.
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You would think the idiot driving the truck would have stopped as soon as he was struck by that bullet. He should be thinking "Shat is getting for real" (part 4).
As for the cop that took the shot, I don't mind sharing a fox hole with him.
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Sheesh no matter what the cops do they take heat. They got it right here, they lived up to their motto to protect and serve.
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Yup the cops were crazy shooting like that. Lucky no one else got shoot.
One of these days you may wake up to find your bubble has collapsed and you will see the world correctly. Until then, I truly feel sorry for you.
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That cop was awesome, 1 shot 1 hit. :old:
The cop got lucky. Cops are notoriously crappy shooters.
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The cop got lucky. Cops are notoriously crappy shooters.
Your bait isn't even good. If you are going to prod for reactions, at least put some thought into it. Maybe a cup of coffee would help?
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Your bait isn't even good. If you are going to prod for reactions, at least put some thought into it. Maybe a cup of coffee would help?
MiloMorai has it right given dangerous confrontations against people armed or thought to be armed. It's not bait for a troll. In the case of the truck driver, no one was shooting back.
One of my son-in-laws favorite stories is of defending a man who stood twenty-five feet way while five cops emptied their revolvers at him. They never hit him and luckily for him he was young enough to have a healthy heart because I'd have died on the spot.
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MiloMorai has it right given dangerous confrontations against people armed or thought to be armed. It's not bait for a troll. In the case of the truck driver, no one was shooting back.
One of my son-in-laws favorite stories is of defending a man who stood twenty-five feet way while five cops emptied their revolvers at him. They never hit him and luckily for him he was young enough to have a healthy heart because I'd have died on the spot.
:huh
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MiloMorai has it right given dangerous confrontations against people armed or thought to be armed. It's not bait for a troll. In the case of the truck driver, no one was shooting back.
One of my son-in-laws favorite stories is of defending a man who stood twenty-five feet way while five cops emptied their revolvers at him. They never hit him and luckily for him he was young enough to have a healthy heart because I'd have died on the spot.
Are you sure he hadn't just seen Pulp Fiction?
In the case of the truck driver he was armed with a weapon potentially far more dangerous than a gun.
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The cop got lucky. Cops are notoriously crappy shooters.
Respectively, most anyone can stand at a shooting range and qualify. In South Dakota, it takes an 80% score for a peace officer to be able to carry a sidearm. That isn't difficult to do. However, when put in to training scenarios in which the baddie may or may not be firing back (with "simunitions", not real ammo but instead chalk filled plastic bullets. Much like paintball.), the ability to accurately shoot diminishes in a major way thanks to reflexes kicking in. I can't remember the last time I had anything other than a 100% for a qualification score, but as soon as hostile fire comes pouring in my shots go from a 6in group to beach ball size group, with some total misses mixed in.
Br careful of how you label LEO's as "crappy shooters", it isn't a "day at the range" when their firing and in many cases LEO's are moving and in non-traditional stances when they fire. Even with years of LEO training and courses taken at Thunder Ranch, etc, it is no cake walk.
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Police cop flak because they have been neutered and regulated to their absolute end and as a result they can't do their job properly.
I wish we could go back to when policing was catching scumbags and putting them where they can't hurt anyone.
How are they supposed to get range training with low budgets. And how are they supposed to police effectively if they lose their jobs if they so much as pinch someone who is talking out of line.
Back in my granddads day in London. Scumbags got smacked round the head, cuffed, and marched straight into the station where they were booked and locked up. People had respect for the law.
And whats more children grew up respecting and even to a small degree FEARING the police. If teenagers were vandalizing or causing a nuisance of themselves. Again, you'd get a really hard belt, and then
frog marched back home to your parents who would then belt you again.
I don't think people give ANY thought to the lives and situation of police officers.
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My original comment was to this point.
Why do these officers perpetuate these dangerous chases? A chase requires a chasee and chaser, instead of giving chase in these situations why not get the plates, back off, let the helicopter track him (they had one) do some detective work (ie type plates into laptop) and find him later. The truck driver probably not going to continue raging around the city like a mad man if nobody is chasing him.
Too many cops now days default to overwhelming force as their first strategy, which takes touchy situations and just escalates them into OMG-people-gonna-die situations. They should be trying to de-escalate the danger, not escalate it.
Perfect example is the stupidity of "no knock" warrants for petty drug offenders. When the police show up late at night in full SWAT gear in an MRAD, bust down the door and storm the whole house rifles at the ready to bust some dweeb growing pot in his grandma's basement. (Yes, that really happened, and lots others like it)
Recently I read where a LEO was killed because he stormed into someones house on a "no knock" warrant. Let me pose the question, if you're someone who keeps a gun in your nightstand, and somebody screams something at your door (cops did say they yelled POLICE, but of course he's asleep so all he know is someone woke him up) then bust down the door and storms in... what are you gonna do??? And they yelled POLICE before busting down the door... so what, any mad-man can yell POLICE before busting down your door.
Then there is this story.
Police Shoot, Kill 80-Year-Old Man In His Own Bed, Don't Find the Drugs They Were Looking For. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFlIK-zAO8&list=TLVGZADQNa08B6i0eqwQw93s5oKazQfsSN)
I've talked about this with a couple older Sheriff's deputies that I know, and they confirm what I suspected. That far to many of the younger generation of LEOs have a "Rambo" mentality, the first (and maybe only) plays in their playbooks are 'show of force' and 'intimidation'. Combine this with the increase militarization of police forces (if they got the toys, you know they'll find an excuse to use them) and it's bad news. 15 years ago I would have said that 90% of cops are good guys, now based on personal experience, stories of corruption, and talks with those in the business, I'd have to guess it's more like 50/50 today.
In short cops need to get back to being more "Andy Griffith" and less "Rambo."
P.S. As for cops being bad shots... some are, some aren't, it all depends on how often they train. But under pressure in real life shoot out, I suspect most fair no better or worse then the average gun-toting citizen would. In 2010 NYPD officers has a 6.5% effective hit rate. (stats from this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjnsBH9jGxc)
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I've talked about this with a couple older Sheriff's deputies that I know, and they confirm what I suspected. That far to many of the younger generation of LEOs have a "Rambo" mentality, the first (and maybe only) plays in their playbooks are 'show of force' and 'intimidation'. Combine this with the increase militarization of police forces (if they got the toys, you know they'll find an excuse to use them) and it's bad news. 15 years ago I would have said that 90% of cops are good guys, now based on personal experience, stories of corruption, and talks with those in the business, I'd have to guess it's more like 50/50 today.
In short cops need to get back to being more "Andy Griffith" and less "Rambo."
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/stupidpeople_zps2b44aa82.jpg)