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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: BnZs on March 12, 2014, 03:22:46 PM
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Any hints on scaling a twisty for gun platform stability in single-engine fighters?
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Any hints on scaling a twisty for gun platform stability in single-engine fighters?
I find taking out all of the damping and deadzone helps (I've done this to all axes). This makes your flight controls respond in real-time so you can better see how your inputs affect aircraft flight.
A lot of people put in damping, which makes you constantly be behind the response curve, especially if you have quick reflexes. This has the effect of making the rudder feel shaky, when in reality you're correcting for actions you committed X milliseconds ago (i.e. you're fighting against your own inputs).
I don't touch the curves.
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It depends heavily on how heavy handed you are. My Dad is older and slower so it actually makes him smoother, where my brother in law is a bit heavy handed. Dad uses the default slider setting, and my brother in law drops most of his sliders low to slow his input down.
I use pedals so it a lot different.
A great way to check is to go into the TA and hook up with Morph. He has a screen the size of a house. He'll follow you around and see what controls are twitching and need smoothing out. Other than that it is going to be trial and error. Start at the default and move them down to slow, up to speed it up.
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It depends heavily on how heavy handed you are. My Dad is older and slower so it actually makes him smoother, where my brother in law is a bit heavy handed. Dad uses the default slider setting, and my brother in law drops most of his sliders low to slow his input down.
I use pedals so it a lot different.
A great way to check is to go into the TA and hook up with Morph. He has a screen the size of a house. He'll follow you around and see what controls are twitching and need smoothing out. Other than that it is going to be trial and error. Start at the default and move them down to slow, up to speed it up.
It's not quite the size of a house and infact if I can convince SWMBO to let me I plan on getting something even bigger!
Something I tell players is to go offline,select planeammomulti and change it to 10 so you have 10 times the ammo available,then bring up the target and shoot at it. It's best to use a plane with central mounted guns,like the P38 or the 109's. If you shoot enough bullets you will see a pattern develope,if it's side to side your rudder is giving inputs when you're shooting. If the pattern appears up and down then it's the elevator that giving inputs while shooting,you could also have both affecting your shooting.
If you find the rudder is the biggest problem,start by adding some deadpan,this will increase center of the stick and may be enough to reduce that unwanted inputs. You may need to add some dampening as well and if you are really heavy handed you might have to do as Fugi's brother inlaw and adjust the scaling.
What you are trying to do is stop the intial inputs on the rudder and/or elevator to stop any nose bounce. A little movement from the tail makes alot of movement of the guns so you want your stick smooth around the centering of the axii.
YMMV.
:salute
PS: my screen is 55 inches.....hardly big as a house! I need it because I cant see close in,a 24 inch widescreen make me legally blind!
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Counter-intuitively, I have found that making the scaling settings more sensitive seems to have improved my aim. I am still having difficulty rolling into my turns or applying Gs while keeping the ball perfectly coordinated however. It seems especially challenging to unload precisely to 0 on the G-meter while keeping the ball in the center all the while.
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Counter-intuitively, I have found that making the scaling settings more sensitive seems to have improved my aim. I am still having difficulty rolling into my turns or applying Gs while keeping the ball perfectly coordinated however. It seems especially challenging to unload precisely to 0 on the G-meter while keeping the ball in the center all the while.
You don't need to keep the ball centered while in 0G. Only only need to keep it centered when there's a load on the wings.
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you dont need to keep it centered at ALL in AH ;)
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you dont need to keep it centered at ALL in AH ;)
Hmmm...what about increased drag from yawing while maneuvering?
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I do not stick scale. I found that the scaling did make me more heavy fisted. Kind of like flying a remote control airplane with the dual rates on and off. If you leave them off and learn to discipline your fingers, your flying gets more precise. Insofar as shooting and dogfighting, the best thing I found was having a combat trim on off button toggled to my stick.
If in a stall fight, I leave combat trim off. If still flying on the wing, I would turn it on before the shot to help stabilize the airplane. If you are having problems shooting at high AoA and low speeds the combat trim may be your issue as it is fighting to level trim your airplane in really un-trim-able states.
I set small dead bands, just to keep from accidentally bumping the autopilot on or off, and as the stick wears. :salute
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Hmmm...what about increased drag from yawing while maneuvering?
I never look at the ball...never have.
I have hundreds of films of me maneuvering.... :D
its a game....I am not worried about death. :D :rock
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I never look at the ball...never have.
I have hundreds of films of me maneuvering.... :D
its a game....I am not worried about death. :D :rock
Tell us again about your shooting. :D
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Tell us again about your shooting. :D
shoot from the hip.... :uhoh
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Um...okay. What I'm saying is that I thought any deviation of the ball from the center indicates some slip, and considering that slipping can be used deliberately as an air-brake I was thinking any slip increased E-bleed in maneuvers.
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Tell us again about your shooting. :D
I have a few films of INK's and I agree he doesn't worry about all those technical things. He also seems to get very target fixated even when surrounded. .... which is most often :D His aim is very good, and with the cannons on his K I one shot is all he needs.
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I have a few films of INK's and I agree he doesn't worry about all those technical things. He also seems to get very target fixated even when surrounded. .... which is most often :D His aim is very good, and with the cannons on his K I one shot is all he needs.
:rofl
I do get target fixated....especially if someone HOs then I try to kill them first....(that is a fault)
but the aiming good in the KI.... is why I said to you to grab 1 plane and stick with it...I do know the KI and thats the only reason I can hit good with it.
Um...okay. What I'm saying is that I thought any deviation of the ball from the center indicates some slip, and considering that slipping can be used deliberately as an air-brake I was thinking any slip increased E-bleed in maneuvers.
I am not saying you are wrong....all I am saying is in "Aces High"...it really doesn't matter
the only time it would really show is if you were fighting someone who was around the same skill level and he plays the E game.....but then just be smooth on the stick...
if you know the maneuvers, and are smooth with them...dont worry about the ball, that is just something that takes the mind off of the fight.
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I've never once looked at the ball in 18 years.
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Um...okay. What I'm saying is that I thought any deviation of the ball from the center indicates some slip, and considering that slipping can be used deliberately as an air-brake I was thinking any slip increased E-bleed in maneuvers.
It does, but you also have things like adverse yaw, induced drag, etc. that all bleed airspeed as well. For all intents and purposes, a little slip or skid is negligible. Simply make sure you're trimmed before maneuvering and make sure you aren't applying unintentional rudder during your maneuvers, and you'll be fine. The biggest part is setting up the trim beforehand.
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BnZs all you need to do is put it on autopilot and stabilize your speed. Once you are trimmed in level stable flight, disturb the rudder trim slightly to find out how much it takes to see a speed reduction. Continue to move the rudder trim until you know the range of drag available from uncoordinated flight.
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I've never once looked at the ball in 18 years.
I always thought the ball was just a nice decoration to give pilots something to look at when they were bored...
Srsly tho...
What's it for?...