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Title: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Brooke on March 16, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
Check out in-cockpit footage starting at 14:45 and tell me you don't cringe on his pullout.  :aok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qSzCnzXvY
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: mbailey on March 16, 2014, 12:27:35 PM
What an absolutely beautiful airplane!!!

Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Bludy on March 16, 2014, 01:11:18 PM
Nice find!  :aok
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: colmbo on March 16, 2014, 01:42:08 PM
Awesome!  Luv the round engines.

He seemed pretty comfortable doing the routine….he took the time to reset the G-meter and realigned the DG during the routine. :)


The low pullout doesn't worry as much as how much the tail shakes on that thing!
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Arlo on March 16, 2014, 03:02:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xLKZCdvWcU
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Brooke on March 16, 2014, 03:19:54 PM
The low pullout doesn't worry as much as how much the tail shakes on that thing!

I thought the same thing.  I am hoping it's just the camera mount and not the tail surface, as that much shaking would seem like it would fatigue and fail at some point.  :uhoh
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: ReVo on March 17, 2014, 10:48:38 AM
Twin Beech is one of my favorite aircraft, I would love to have one if I ever had that kind of cash.. Right up until she came apart because I neglected to have the spar strap properly inspected because I spent all my money on the plane.  :noid
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: earl1937 on March 17, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
Check out in-cockpit footage starting at 14:45 and tell me you don't cringe on his pullout.  :aok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qSzCnzXvY
:airplane: Spar strap is a must for these old "thunder birds" as some called them, back in the day, but I am more worried as to when the rear spar is going to fail! I don't think the FAA STC'd the rear spar!
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Randy1 on March 17, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
I think that is the model Sky King flew.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: FLS on March 17, 2014, 01:01:29 PM
I think that is the model Sky King flew.

It's similar but Sky King flew a Cessna.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: colmbo on March 17, 2014, 01:09:57 PM
It's similar but Sky King flew a Cessna.

Yep.  Early on was the "Bamboo Bomber" or Cessna T-50, later it was a Cessna 310.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Arlee on March 17, 2014, 02:04:31 PM
I belonged to a group in Colorado Springs called Fantasy Flight. We had a C-45 as well as two T-6's and an L-5. Lots of fond memories there. The leader of that group originally introduced me to War Birds and then on to Aces High in beta (originally flew as GronK). I'm retired now and have plenty of time so am re-loading and buying a suitable computer to spend time in the arena.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Banshee7 on March 17, 2014, 02:13:08 PM
Nice find!  Thanks for posting!!  :aok
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Post by: Randy1 on March 17, 2014, 02:48:43 PM
Colombo and FLS, thanks for straightening that out.  Good old Sky King.
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Post by: Brooke on March 17, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
I'm retired now and have plenty of time so am re-loading and buying a suitable computer to spend time in the arena.

Excellent!  Good to have you join us!  :aok
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: earl1937 on March 18, 2014, 01:46:17 PM
Yep.  Early on was the "Bamboo Bomber" or Cessna T-50, later it was a Cessna 310.
:airplane: The T-50 and the Cessna 310 were two completely different aircraft. The T-50 had a Jacobs R-755-9, 7 cylinder, radial engine and could cruise at 175MPH. Air Force designate UC-78 and also AT-17 depending on what its use.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p684/earl1937/T-50Bobcat_zpsb2d32e1a.jpg)

The Cessna 310D was the original 310 series and had two Continental 0-470-B, Opposed engines and cruise speed was 210MPH.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p684/earl1937/Cessna310D_zpsdf146fbe.jpg)

One of the most popular twin engine aircraft in general aviation was the 310K, which could cruise at 220MPH and had slanted flared tip tanks.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p684/earl1937/000_cessna_310k_splash_zps6c663708.jpg)

I had 1.5 hours in T-50, test hop after annual and re-furbished by Hill aircraft and leasing, Atlanta, Ga. I have several hundred hours in the 310 aircraft, as most flight schools around Atlanta used them for multi-engine training.

The T-50 was owned by a Lockheed Test pilot and later was destroyed in a wind storm at McCollum airport in Kennasaw, Ga, I think it was 1983.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: BuckShot on March 18, 2014, 06:26:24 PM
Awesome video!

Any idea why Beech went with that rudder config?
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: earl1937 on March 19, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
Awesome video!

Any idea why Beech went with that rudder config?
:airplane: I heard that question asked at a dinner one night in Atlanta, honoring Mrs Beech! When the aircraft was designed back in the day, most hangars back then where not high enough to accommodate The "Twin Beech" with a nose wheel, which were in the Beech aircraft companies plans and they later came out with a model called the "Super H Twin Beech", and a single rudder and vertical stab would extend to high for the hangars of that day and time. Not sure if that was correct, but what I heard.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: colmbo on March 19, 2014, 05:06:46 PM
Not sure of the why, but having twin rudders keeps them in the prop blast with increases their effectiveness.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: BuckShot on March 19, 2014, 06:29:42 PM
Makes sense. Thanks Columbo.

"and ahh..one more thing sir." I watch Columbo every weekend.
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: BuckShot on March 19, 2014, 06:31:06 PM
:airplane: I heard that question asked at a dinner one night in Atlanta, honoring Mrs Beech! When the aircraft was designed back in the day, most hangars back then where not high enough to accommodate The "Twin Beech" with a nose wheel, which were in the Beech aircraft companies plans and they later came out with a model called the "Super H Twin Beech", and a single rudder and vertical stab would extend to high for the hangars of that day and time. Not sure if that was correct, but what I heard.

Thanks Earl

~S~ Buck
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: earl1937 on March 19, 2014, 06:31:25 PM
Not sure of the why, but having twin rudders keeps them in the prop blast with increases their effectiveness.
:airplane: Just thinking out loud, but with the twin rudders, off set from the center line of the fuselage would lower the VMC because of the leverage and effectiveness. I would also suspect that with twin rudders, it would be a little faster. I recall a mod call Beech "Trade wind" I think it was called, it had a single veridical stab and rudder.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p684/earl1937/beechcraftsingletail_zps58aa3387.jpg)
This was not a particular good conversion, I think if I remember right, only 14 were built.

Does anyone see the similarly between this "Tradewind" and the Beechcraft "Queenair" which was so popular during the 50's?
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Nath[BDP] on March 25, 2014, 11:21:11 PM
Gnar gnar
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: Hetzer7 on April 03, 2014, 03:08:14 PM
Heres 555WS, a Beech 18 I worked on for years, now under new ownership:

(http://img2.jetphotos.net:8080/img/1/6/0/8/60422_1173664806.jpg)
Title: Re: Aerobatics in Beech 18. Yikes!
Post by: LilMak on April 07, 2014, 11:53:38 AM
Saw him fly Saturday. Flew about 50ft over my camping spot @ Sun-N-Fun with smoke on. It was IMC for about a minute. Sadly I didn't have my camera. Battery was dead.