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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: COndor06 on March 19, 2014, 10:27:33 AM
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I was taking my two boys to two different places this morning. My 21 year old wrecked his car over the weekend so he needed a ride to a public bus stop to get to work in Charlotte and my 16 year old needed a ride to school. Both are on complete different schedules.
While racing back home after dropping off Kyle at the bus stop running a fairly empty stretch of road at around 6:45am I passed a NC State Trooper running radar. I was doing 65 in a 55.
He pulls me over and said you know you were speeding right? Since you are the only car out here I was just wondering what's your hurry.
He looked like he was expecting some idiot response with a bit of a grin so I stated (in my best military response,)
Sir, I had commander Heatherly in my sights
He saw me move in for the kill
He then proceeded below the hard deck
I wasn't above the speed limit for more than a few seconds
I had the shot
There was no danger
So I took it.
The Trooper (without missing a beat) shouts back
YOU TOOK IT, AND BROKE A MAJOR RULE OF ENGAGEMENT.
You got a license and registration in your TomCat there Maverick
He goes to his car and comes back in about 5 minutes and no S**t says
Lt Culbertson, The state of NC laws exist for your safety and that of my team. They are not flexible, nor am I.
Either obey them or your history, Is that clear.
I respond YES SIR
He hands me a warning ticket and says Dismissed.
Best Cop that ever pulled me over.
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:rofl
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I was taking my two boys to two different places this morning. My 21 year old wrecked his car over the weekend so he needed a ride to a public bus stop to get to work in Charlotte and my 16 year old needed a ride to school. Both are on complete different schedules.
While racing back home after dropping off Kyle at the bus stop running a fairly empty stretch of road at around 6:45am I passed a NC State Trooper running radar. I was doing 65 in a 55.
He pulls me over and said you know you were speeding right? Since you are the only car out here I was just wondering what's your hurry.
He looked like he was expecting some idiot response with a bit of a grin so I stated (in my best military response,)
Sir, I had commander Heatherly in my sights
He saw me move in for the kill
He then proceeded below the hard deck
I wasn't above the speed limit for more than a few seconds
I had the shot
There was no danger
So I took it.
The Trooper (without missing a beat) shouts back
YOU TOOK IT, AND BROKE A MAJOR RULE OF ENGAGEMENT.
You got a license and registration in your TomCat there Maverick
He goes to his car and comes back in about 5 minutes and no S**t says
Lt Culbertson, The state of NC laws exist for your safety and that of my team. They are not flexible, nor am I.
Either obey them or your history, Is that clear.
I respond YES SIR
He hands me a warning ticket and says Dismissed.
Best Cop that ever pulled me over.
At least he didn't comment about your body making promises your ego can't cash :devil
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Seeing how the guy was about the same age as I am (54) I took a shot in the dark.
I'm luck he doesn't have me flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog S**t out of Hong Kong
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I got pulled a couple of years ago, i had two jobs a couple of hundred yards apart, and being bone bloody idle, I didn't put my seatbelt on. As I drove past the copshop a response car was just pulling out and I knew right away he was going to stop me so I pulled into a lay by and waited for him to come and get me.
My van was due replacement, in fact it was its last day of use before being scrapped. It was taxed and insured but the MOT expired the 4 hours previously and I thought I'd risk it.
This bobby gets out with his mate and asked me if I know why he stopped me, I did and told him so.
Then he proceeded to go over the van with a fine tooth comb.
Upshot was : loose battery, 1 very borderline tyre, no seatbelt, MOT expired. I had had a good days work and was looking at the whole wad of cash in my wallet disappearing in fines.
The copper noticed my veterans pin and asked where I had served, he wore the same on his body armour.
Then he took my licence and PNC checked me, came back over and said "Police Class 1 Driver ?" "You should know better!"
"How do you think I should deal with you?"
I begged for leniency, he commented on me being out grafting, clean shaven and earning a living instead of dossing, said he would give me the benefit of the doubt and told me to "F" off and never drive this vehicle again.
When I was on the force, I always used discretion when dealing with people, the unspoken "attitude test" would mean the difference in a lot of case between a good rifting and a ticket or an arrest.
We also have the "Ways and Means Act", unnofficial legislation that is used in the circumstances where you consider some little trouble causing scrote needs to come in but he hasn't yet committed the crime that you are absolutely certain he is about to. Hence S5 Public Order Act, and Common Law Breach of Peace.
I am sure if the OP had torn into the LEO, telling him how he pays his wages, and why don"t you go and find a real criminal, then the situation would have turned out a lot more expensive for him and with no skin off the cops nose. Same as if I had said similar, or had quoted previous service in an attempt to curry favour. Your guy sounded like a good cop too :)
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I just make sure to get my eye drops in and my cop stops go just fine.
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I just make sure to get my eye drops in and my cop stops go just fine.
Yeah, when I was trying to get on the drug squad for a misguided few months I stopped everyone with conjuctivis, chefs who'd been chopping onions, mothers who'd seen sad films and kids who'd fallen over and hurt themselves :old:
They all had drugs on them :old:
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they sound like good people. :)
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they sound like good people. :)
Very much so, unlike the coked up nutball that stabbed me through the arm :)
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damn crackheads
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Never understood people who get belligerent with cops on traffic stops. If everything goes right, what do they think will happen?
That's definitely one of the better cop stop stories I've heard.
Wiley.
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Indeed Blu
Makes them buggers strung as a ox :old:
I'm not a small guy and he wasn't very big but I was giving serious thought to losing that ruckus because I simply could not hurt him.
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Good Cop stories. :aok
I have on occasion exceeded the recommended speed and one day I too passed an officer while traveling from work. I see that he has pulled out after I passed and being the only car in sight I know he has his sights on me.
I pull over and wait for him. It's dark out now and I stay relaxed with my hands on the wheel as he approached.
"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"yup I was going a little too fast, sorry just tired from work and can't wait to get home"
"License and Registration" He takes it and walks back to the car and I'm sure he's checking my Driving record.
"Ok Mr ........ You weren't wearing your seatbelt were you"
"Yes I had it on....."
"Again You weren't wearing your seat belt"
"Yes I .... Oh ok No I wasn't wearing it!" I laugh because it finally dawned on me he was cutting me a break. :lol
"Here's a seat belt ticket have a nice night and slow down"
"Thank you Officer"
A $40 ticket is much better than the $150 one for speeding and points on my license. :rock Cops are decent when you treat them with respect like anyone else. When they stop a Vehicle they don't know who is behind the wheel so being still and not fumbling for stuff in the car as they approach is important also.
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I was running radar one afternoon and a guy zips by about 15 over. I get behind him and turn on all the lights, I am making contact with him in the mirror but he isn't pulling over. I can see his wife barking at him, a college age daughter in the rear seat. He keeps on going heading to the departure ramp of the terminal…I'm thinking very serious about writing a fail to yield to LE ticket (10 points -- not good). He stops in front of the Alaska Airline door and the wife and daughter grab bags and sprint into the building.
I tell him I stopped him for speeding and asked him why he didn't stop since he knew I was behind him. His reply was "Frankly officer, I'm more afraid of her than I am of you."
I didn't write the failure to yield citation. :D
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I was in Colorado back in 2003, my mom wasnt doing well so moved in with my folks. I had a 1972 Triumph that I had been working on and finally got it running, had to rebuild entire topend of engine, so I was excited to get it running, through the pipes on and said "ah I am just making a quick loop to make sure it runs" :devil so ya it was open piped. I took off down the street and liked the way it sounded, so I blurpped the throttle just as I passed a cop, looked in my mirror and I see him flip around. So I go ahead and pull over, and he comes up behind me. The ignition switch was on the side with the kick start and it was a touch out of time the first time I tried to start it and it kicked back and I broke the key off, but I could use a screwdriver to turn it of which I didnt have as I wasnt planning on turning the bike off. So he comes up and asked me to turn the bike off, so without thinking I whipped out my big buck knife and used the blade to turn the bike off, and broke the dang tip. I already knew the cop from when I was a teen, so he asked for license, registration and insurance. I pulled out my wallet and said well here is my license and its not motorcycle endorsed, here is the bill of sale, as close as it gets to a reg, and I have absolutely no insurance on it. He was like and your riding it????I was like yeah just got running, and dangit I broke my knife :bhead He was quite decent about it and just got me for no registration and made me push it home :lol
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I was running radar one afternoon and a guy zips by about 15 over. I get behind him and turn on all the lights, I am making contact with him in the mirror but he isn't pulling over. I can see his wife barking at him, a college age daughter in the rear seat. He keeps on going heading to the departure ramp of the terminal…I'm thinking very serious about writing a fail to yield to LE ticket (10 points -- not good). He stops in front of the Alaska Airline door and the wife and daughter grab bags and sprint into the building.
I tell him I stopped him for speeding and asked him why he didn't stop since he knew I was behind him. His reply was "Frankly officer, I'm more afraid of her than I am of you."
I didn't write the failure to yield citation. :D
awesome. :aok
some funny stories here...... :lol
you would think me with 10 years locked up I would have all kinds of bad stories of cops.....I have only met a couple bad cops....
almost everyone who has ever stopped me....which was a lot...... getting my licence at 22....I was making up for lost time...then getting my challenger at 24......were very good to me...I didn't give them crap and was always honest...they appreciate that.
the best one I said to a cop....
while in my challenger.....
he says
"took me long enough to catch ya"
I say
"I slowed down"
"he says licence and registration"
I say
"well I have good news and bad news"
"bad news is.....my licence is suspended....good news.........I have bail money" :D
I had a cop a couple years ago let me drive away in an unregistered car....
a Texas state trooper let me drive away NO ticket clocking me at 101....
having pot (nothing major) in the car and them not even taking it and letting me go.
so many times I have forgotten.... being pulled over in the Challenger and other cars screwing around....
first thing I do is shut the engine off.....most cops seem to really appreciate this.
with out a doubt if you are not a dick they 99.999 of the time wont be dicks.
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I hate taxi drivers, I was at some traffic lights on my Lambretta when a taxi pulled up next to me, when lights changed I screeched off, thinking that showed him I look to my right it was a cop car :rofl
He wound his window down and called me a nobb and drove off :rofl
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About 35+ years ago I was RTB Pax River late on a Sunday night from a weekend in D.C. and came over a small bridge to see a MD state police car parked about 200 yards downrange on the side with a radar unit hanging out of the window. His interior light was on. I was doing at least 60 mph on that 45 mph road.
I pulled over in front of him. Why make him chase me? I got out and he motioned for me to get in the back seat. You could do that back in those days without being tasered and shot. He asked for my license/registration then filled out the ticket. He asked if I knew how fast I was going and I said something like, "Oh, maybe 55 or so?"
He handed me a warning ticket that said 52 mph. He didn't have the radar on. He had been doing some paperwork.
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Couple of weeks ago driving down a major highway here in PA i look behind me and see the lights of a police car flashing in the rear view......knowing in about a mile im comming up to a shopping center...i decide to throw on my hazards and keep driving......When i pulled into the parking lot i turned the car off, and put my hands on the wheel where he could see them. He walked up to the car and asked for DL, registration and proof of insurance...I give him all the info, then he askes if i know why he stopped me....Speeding? was my answer....yep, he says, 70 in a 55 then he says "and why did you continue to drive when i pulled up behind you?" I looked him dead in the face, and said "i figured it would be safer for you if i waited to pull into the parking lot then have you stand along side a 6 lane highway with traffic speeding by, and after loosing Officer Peltier a few years ago on this road I just figured it was the right thing to do" He went to his car, came back a few minutes later with a written warning and handed me back my info.....as he was handing it to me...he looked in and said "Thank you" "It can get a bit nerve wracking standing along side a car on this dam road while people are flying by" "I was in the same class as officer Peltier, and he was a good friend" I just looked back and said....."Im very sorry and your welcome....Stay safe out there"
I use to work at a gunshop/indoor range a few towns over....We let all the Federal, State and Local LEOs shoot there for free when ever they wanted. One day im driving my company car (its logo'd with the Insurance companys name) thru an area covered by one of the Depts that shoot there when a police car flies up behind me with the siren screaming and the lights on....I pull over thinking i just did something really really bad....Then on the loud speaker i hear "Driver please turn off the car...and exit the vehicle with your hands interlocked behind your head!!" Ok...now im chitting myself not knowing whats going on........ Then i get "Driver please walk backwards to the rear of the Vehicle and put your hands on the trunk!" I slowly walk backwards and put my hands on the trunk. At this point im dying...my heart is racing and everything ive ever done wrong is flashing thru my head trying to make sence of this. Then on the speaker comes "Driver, do you have any idea if the Bow i ordered has come in to the shop yet?" I spin around, and there is Sean, the guy i shoot with on occasion, and the bastard that a week before ordered a new Mathews bow from me.....standing out side his car....his face bright red...and tears rolling down his face from laughing so hard. I look him dead in the face and scream JES*S C***ST Sean i about crapped my pants!!!! "You cant do this!! Im in my ^&$*% Company car!!!.....He looks me dead in the face, and in a voice like an innocent 8yrold boy says "Of course i can do this...Im the police...this is what we do..Lets call it perks of the job..followed by a huge smile...So we sat on the side of the road for the next 15minutes waiting for my heart to stop pounding, and discussing in detail the fact that i was sure that i could penetrate his body armor with my fist... To this day i flip him the bird when i drive by him sitting on the side of the road looking for speeders
My pop was a State Trooper here in PA......and most of his friends...and my LEO friends from the gunshop have proven one thing to me about LEOs......they are by far the most crazy professionals out there :aok
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LOL great story!
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When I was an idiotic 16 year old I stole my mum's car at 03:00 one sunday night and ended up being chased by the police. Ended up ditching the car quite soon after they started chasing me. After an hour long game of cat and mouse on foot that involved swimming in a stream through an industrial complex and diving through a barbed wire fence I finally managed to lose them. Thank god they didn't have a chopper near by. One of the best buzzes of my entire life until I had to explain to my mum that her car was now on the other side of town being watched by the police.
I paid for it ten years later when the old bill caught me holding my phone, not calling anyone, just holding it, and charged me 3 points and a £60 fine.
Just taking the thread off on a tangent, don't mind me :)
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About 30 years ago, I was stopped by a local cop on my way home. When I left work, I discovered that I had a headlight out (old halogen sealed beam type). On the way home, I stopped and bought a replacement. I intended to replace it in my garage, where I could see (it was dark). The cop stopped me less than a half mile from home.
He told me that he stopped me for the light being out. I showed him the new headlight and receipt. I said that I would install it that same evening. This putz didn't care. He wrote the ticket anyway. I was more than annoyed. This was simple harassment. It was starting to rain, as a big storm was rolling in.
On the back of the ticket, it stated that if I repaired the equipment problem within 24 hours, any police officer could sign off on the ticket, making it null and void. I need only mail it in.
I changed the headlight and aligned it. By now, the sky had opened up, raining like hell, with strong winds.
I spent the next 15 minutes tracking down the cop who wrote the ticket. I found him parked behind the railroad station. I drove up within two feet of his door. I rolled down the window and said, "it's repaired. Please check it and sign off the ticket."
"It's pouring, can't it wait?"
"No, I won't see another officer before tomorrow night."
Mumbling some choice words below his breath, he takes a plastic hat cover and stretches it onto his hat. Slowly, he gets out and walks to the front of my car. I turn 'em off, on and flash the high beams. He walks back, asks for the ticket and climbs into his car, dripping wet. He hands me back the ticket. I check to make sure he hasn't tried some other stunt. It looks properly filled out and signed. I said "thank you", and drove home.
About a week later, I see our usual sector car parked at the firehouse. I stopped and went into the dispatcher shack. Standing there sipping coffee was Marty, who was one of the three cops who rotated shifts in the sector car. Marty had worked that beat for 20 years, lived in town and was a volunteer fireman. Everyone knew Marty. I related what had happened. Marty said, "that guy was filling in for Paul last week, while he was on vacation. He's a jerk. Glad you made him stand in the rain. When I see him, I'll ask him if he enjoyed the shower."
Marty retired after 30 years. He still live in town, and has been elected Fire Chief 5 or 6 times.
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When I was an idiotic 16 year old I stole my mum's car at 03:00 one sunday night and ended up being chased by the police. Ended up ditching the car quite soon after they started chasing me. After an hour long game of cat and mouse on foot that involved swimming in a stream through an industrial complex and diving through a barbed wire fence I finally managed to lose them. Thank god they didn't have a chopper near by. One of the best buzzes of my entire life until I had to explain to my mum that her car was now on the other side of town being watched by the police.
I paid for it ten years later when the old bill caught me holding my phone, not calling anyone, just holding it, and charged me 3 points and a £60 fine.
Just taking the thread off on a tangent, don't mind me :)
:rofl :rock
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When I was an idiotic 16 year old I stole my mum's car at 03:00 one sunday night and ended up being chased by the police. Ended up ditching the car quite soon after they started chasing me. After an hour long game of cat and mouse on foot that involved swimming in a stream through an industrial complex and diving through a barbed wire fence I finally managed to lose them. Thank god they didn't have a chopper near by. One of the best buzzes of my entire life until I had to explain to my mum that her car was now on the other side of town being watched by the police.
I paid for it ten years later when the old bill caught me holding my phone, not calling anyone, just holding it, and charged me 3 points and a £60 fine.
Just taking the thread off on a tangent, don't mind me :)
Why am I not surprised?
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Iv'e never been pulled over yet (How? I do not know) but iv'e got a story about my idiot friend being pulled over.
He was heading home from work and the way he takes is a long stretch of highway that has a speed limit of 65 mph and the part that he was heading through was "radar hill" as the locals call it, mainly because cops always sit on the top of the hill and get people before they see them. Well there sits a state trooper with his radar gun and he clocks my friend going 115 mph over that hill. 50 mph faster than the speed limit.
Two minutes later he's pulled over and his excuse was "I had to pee really bad."
The trooper let him off with a 295 dollar ticket that night but said the next time that happened it'd definitely be jail time.
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Wrote a guy a ticket once many years ago for a U-turn within 100' of an intersection. He was a gentleman, no problems.
Got to court and he showed up. Now Ive been Lied to so many times I know when somebody is telling the truth. Anyways the guy tells the Judge, "You Honor I have size 12" feet and I walked off the distance between my turn and the intersection and it was exactly 102' from the start of the turn and the intersection".
The Judge looks at me and says Officer Rich what is your version of the event?
I look at the citizen, look at the judge, look back at the citizen....look at the judge....look at the citizen one last time, and told the Judge "Hell Judge I believe him".
The entire courtroom of about 200 people erupt in laughter including the Judge. The Judge found him innocent. We shook hands, and we both went our ways.
It wasnt the first time Ive done that. We arent perfect and if I find a flaw in what Ive done I never forget I took an oath to tell the truth.
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I was the guy in NC the brought the ankle braclets into the courtroom to monitor drunk drivers. I have seen a lot of court cases involving law enforcement officer testimony. These were not huge cases but all in all I have found that the officers would give the benefit of the doubt as long as the defendant wasn't being a jerk or combative. Its amazing how much can be accomplished when cooler heads prevail.
By the way, I certainly support your position (I took an oath). Certainly says a lot about character. Its too bad so many people of this day and age will overlook their own values for such small compensation.
Wrote a guy a ticket once many years ago for a U-turn within 100' of an intersection. He was a gentleman, no problems.
Got to court and he showed up. Now Ive been Lied to so many times I know when somebody is telling the truth. Anyways the guy tells the Judge, "You Honor I have size 12" feet and I walked off the distance between my turn and the intersection and it was exactly 102' from the start of the turn and the intersection".
The Judge looks at me and says Officer Rich what is your version of the event?
I look at the citizen, look at the judge, look back at the citizen....look at the judge....look at the citizen one last time, and told the Judge "Hell Judge I believe him".
The entire courtroom of about 200 people erupt in laughter including the Judge. The Judge found him innocent. We shook hands, and we both went our ways.
It wasnt the first time Ive done that. We arent perfect and if I find a flaw in what Ive done I never forget I took an oath to tell the truth.
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Whenever anyone starts hacking on the police they should take a look at the Met Police Liver Run on youtube
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Whenever anyone starts hacking on the police they should take a look at the Met Police Liver Run on youtube
Before folks rag on the police, they should watch this video....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erkj9cbpeGM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erkj9cbpeGM)
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Great story. Love to see good press for Cops. Heres another one just came up a month ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xBqFrt2Yzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xBqFrt2Yzg)
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I'm not one to hate cops (Except the ones that are complete dicks) but I saw this and just had to share.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/police-pig-stop-im-one-of-you-cop-13659816320.png)
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The best YouTube video is the North Carolina State Police Officer pulling over local officer at gunpoint.
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I just make sure to get my eye drops in and my cop stops go just fine.
Smell??
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I don't smoke in my truck.
and remember, I am in a state where its legal to have weed on you.. I'm sure they can smell it with how much I transport as a business owner.
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You'd have a gun and a bright light in your face over here in mass.. :huh I'm sure the laws will change soon tho
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Never understood people who get belligerent with cops on traffic stops. If everything goes right, what do they think will happen?
That's definitely one of the better cop stop stories I've heard.
Wiley.
Attitude is everything. Too many people talk themselves into a ticket by lying, being hostile, and/or being just plain rude.
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I'm not one to hate cops (Except the ones that are complete dicks) but I saw this and just had to share.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/police-pig-stop-im-one-of-you-cop-13659816320.png)
So the 16yo kid chirps in right when I was going to call for a group hug.
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So how many of you, upon being just warned or even let off, who are claiming great respect for them and those like them, have gone on to do exactly what you were doing when they let you off? And if so, is that respect?
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So how many of you, upon being just warned or even let off, who are claiming great respect for them and those like them, have gone on to do exactly what you were doing when they let you off? And if so, is that respect?
Ouch that cut deep.
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So how many of you, upon being just warned or even let off, who are claiming great respect for them and those like them, have gone on to do exactly what you were doing when they let you off? And if so, is that respect?
Heh... That reminds me of one time I was headed out to visit my family, a 6 hour drive one way and about 300 miles of it is on one highway that barely turns. I was cruising along at 65 on the 60 limited highway. Guy blows by me doing 80 or better in a really distinctive old beater of a car. About 20 minutes after he passed me, I went by him having a chat with the local speed trap officer. I continued on my way, about an hour and a half later, he goes by me again. All I could think was, if he gets pulled over again, that's going to be the biggest ticket they can possibly give him.
I've only ever been pulled over twice for speeding. One ticket, one warning. Both times I knocked it back to the limit afterward.
I'm of the opinion that in an ideal world highway driving, speed limits should be discretionary but carry stiffer penalties if speed is a factor if something goes wrong. I don't think speeding in and of itself is nearly as dangerous as overly aggressive driving once the road gets crowded.
Wiley.
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Best one I ever had.....
I'd just bought a new bike, literally the day before, obviously no documents had come through the post for it yet so I was unable to pay the road tax until they did (I did try but got told to bugger off at the post office).....I'd stopped at some motorway services and was smoking.....police car pulls up behind me and a few minutes went past before one of them got out and started walking towards me....
Here we go, I'm thinking.
Cop walks up and just says "Did you know your glove has fallen into that puddle?"
And then we spent 15 minutes talking about bikes and both being ex-servicemen and him doing the recce training at Highgrove back in the early 90s and me having gone through the recce training at Highgrove back in the early 90s.....
small world.
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So how many of you, upon being just warned or even let off, who are claiming great respect for them and those like them, have gone on to do exactly what you were doing when they let you off? And if so, is that respect?
Dude, Really? We have so many laws in this country you can't get through a day without breaking a few. 22,000 hand gun laws on the books just to start. How do you equate being disrespectful to speeding or not wearing your seat belt?
You sound like one of the other kind of cops. Not the kind we are discussing in this forum but the kind that got beat up every week in high school and decided he was going to be a cop so he would assert his authority on every occasion. These are the kind that demand your respect just because they got a badge.
uuuh I don't think so
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So the 16yo kid chirps in right when I was going to call for a group hug.
Chill out it was just a joke.
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(http://i.imgur.com/nmE4mk5.png?1)
:rofl
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So how many of you, upon being just warned or even let off, who are claiming great respect for them and those like them, have gone on to do exactly what you were doing when they let you off? And if so, is that respect?
All of them probably, except for those that may have turned away from serious crime.
As a cop I didn't feel "disrespected" because some continued to commit offenses. I wasn't under the illusion that I was going to change peoples lives, I just hoped to "keep the peace" for my shift, assist those I could and intervene where needed with the others.
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The only thing that turns them away from "serious crime" is prison. If they are there long enough, often enough, by the time they make it to middle age, often they just lose the juice for felony's. Many thieves and burglars never lose the juice for it. Not as long as they are using. The best we can hope for is they OD and save the rest of us from paying their bills from cradle to grave.
But the guy who works his entire life paying taxes and the Bills of society, and whom BTW like us is always getting screwed having to pay for the welfare of the dregs? They do deserve a break for a minor traffic ticket or a minor screw up.
Thats my philosophy at least. A code Ive always lived by.
But forget the concept of rehabilitation for most serious "violent" offenders. It just doesnt happen the vast majority of the time. The only protection we have from them is to keep them in a cage. Maybe when they hit middle age they will lose the energy for crime.
Maybe.
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I've only been pulled over once. It was last year on my 21st Birthday. I was coming down a hill with cruise set on 75 in a 55, however 65-70 is normal for most people as the limit had just changed from 65 to 55 about a mile before. They had always sat at the bottom of the hill off the road which also has a bend in it right before an on ramp and thence bridge that crosses the ohio river, but I had not seen them sitting there for months.
Due to it being my 21st birthday, I remember specifically thinking as I crested the top of the hill how it was BS that it was my 21st birthday, I had been up since 6AM for my first job and then was on my way to my second job which I would be at until 12Am or so and not being able to celebrate at all... So I was in a slight daze...
I also failed to noticed that, my speed had also increased to about 80. As I started rounding the bend, I always look off the road to see if they are parked there and sure enough they were. I was able to hit the brake enough to get down to 74 as I passed him. I was also passing another car, whichever as probably doing 70 or so as well...
But after I passed that car and passed the on ramp, I got over into the right lane as I was on the bridge, but I already knew he was coming. As soon as we got off the bridge, he turned the lights on and off I pulled over on the berm of my exit.
He cited me for a failure to obey signage rather than a speeding ticket with points, but it was still a $112 fine. To top it off, my registration (expired) and insurance card was in my room as my mom needed it as I was trying to refinance my car at the time. I didn't even know my registration was expired though. And my license expired the next day, so all in all, I guess he let me off easy, but i was still pissed at him. Never had been pulled over before nor even received a parking ticket or anything.
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The only thing that turns them away from "serious crime" is prison. If they are there long enough, often enough, by the time they make it to middle age, often they just lose the juice for felony's.
My experience is the reverse. Prison makes young criminals into better criminals.
Not that I argue against prison, I don't see an alternative.
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The only thing that turns them away from "serious crime" is prison. If they are there long enough, often enough, by the time they make it to middle age, often they just lose the juice for felony's. Many thieves and burglars never lose the juice for it. Not as long as they are using. The best we can hope for is they OD and save the rest of us from paying their bills from cradle to grave.
But the guy who works his entire life paying taxes and the Bills of society, and whom BTW like us is always getting screwed having to pay for the welfare of the dregs? They do deserve a break for a minor traffic ticket or a minor screw up.
Thats my philosophy at least. A code Ive always lived by.
But forget the concept of rehabilitation for most serious "violent" offenders. It just doesnt happen the vast majority of the time. The only protection we have from them is to keep them in a cage. Maybe when they hit middle age they will lose the energy for crime.
Maybe.
Lol, you really think they care about prison? Hell, that's just crime college for the ones that have been there before. They're just going back for another degree.
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Lol, you really think they care about prison? Hell, that's just crime college for the ones that have been there before. They're just going back for another degree.
It doesn't matter if they care or not, and some dont, some do. It keeps them off the street away from us decent citizens. And its cheaper too. Consider the resources spent , and the loss, and the heart break, from one simple house burglary.
He cited me for a failure to obey signage rather than a speeding ticket with points, but it was still a $112 fine. To top it off, my registration (expired) and insurance card was in my room as my mom needed it as I was trying to refinance my car at the time. I didn't even know my registration was expired though. And my license expired the next day, so all in all, I guess he let me off easy, but i was still pissed at him. Never had been pulled over before nor even received a parking ticket or anything.
By 21years of age the concept of "personal responsibility" should have settled in. Why on earth would you be pissed at the officer?
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Outstanding! :rofl :aok :aok
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So how many of you, upon being just warned or even let off, who are claiming great respect for them and those like them, have gone on to do exactly what you were doing when they let you off? And if so, is that respect?
Actually about a year ago I got pulled over doing 63 in a 50 MPH zone. I honestly didn't know it was 50 mph down that stretch and officer Sanchez wrote me a warning. In my old home town I'd have gotten a ticket no questions asked and probably a cavity search from the local SS. Out of gratitude and respect for his deference I do not exceed the speed limit around here.
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Actually about a year ago I got pulled over doing 63 in a 50 MPH zone. I honestly didn't know it was 50 mph down that stretch and officer Sanchez wrote me a warning. In my old home town I'd have gotten a ticket no questions asked and probably a cavity search from the local SS. Out of gratitude and respect for his deference I do not exceed the speed limit around here.
Your not supposed to exceed the speed limit because its the Law. :huh
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I generally don't anyway. Now I'm more aware of it :)
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Your not supposed to exceed the speed limit because its the Law. :huh
Sometimes, exceeding the speed limit isn't why you get stopped. 99% of cops are good guys. Dedicated to the community. Occasionally, you find a real jerk. One such jerk, opened up a huge can of worms, that cost him his career and still reverberates through local law enforcement
Several years ago, a man gets pulled over on the interstate highway and gets a ticket for 59 mph in 55 zone. Driver pleads not guilty. Argues that many cars were going faster than he was... Traffic Judge (typically, a lawyer who can't win in court, begs for county appointment. Now beholden to local politicians) could care less about argument. Convicted.
Driver hires a lawyer and appeals conviction.
Lawyer shows 40 minutes of video over a week long period where County police, including the one who wrote ticket are cruising in traffic on same highway at 70 mph with many other cars. None are stopped. Lawyer grills cop, who cannot explain why he doesn't stop drivers doing 70+, but stopped the defendant for doing 59 mph. Cop looks like a schmuck.
Lawyer claims that his client was singled out for reasons other than speeding.
State argues that this is nonsense. This opens door for lawyer to introduce evidence.
Lawyer says he will prove that defendant was stopped then and had been stopped again later, simply because he was driving a red late model Mustang GT. Lawyer presents video from a commercial in-car camera. Defendant installed this at lawyer's behest. He was stopped weeks later, same highway, by a different cop. As they stop, driver's wife calls lawyer on cell phone. Cop sees wife on cell phone, demands she hang up. Lawyer hears the conversation, tells her to hang up. Lawyer calls Deputy Police Chief. This time, driver was accused of doing 70 in a 55, but the in-car camera showed that he never exceeded 55 mph. Unaware of camera, cop writes ticket for 68 mph in 55 mph zone, claims to be giving driver a break. Cop asked to search car. Driver said no. Cop threatened to detain him and get a warrant. Driver said, "please do". Second cop stops. They try to browbeat driver into complying. He demands that they arrest him or let him go. Cops handcuff him and throw him into patrol car. Perform illegal search of driver's car. They find nothing illegal. They do find in-car camera. They demand driver erase video. Driver refuses. Cops decide to take camera, but Police supervisor arrives and takes charge. Driver is released. Ticket disappears. Bad news for two cops.... Lawyer is former county ADA, has excellent connections in DA and Police.
State argues video proves nothing, that speeding is speeding, and that is the only measure.
Judge disagrees. Judge admonishes police for obvious pattern of behavior and profiling. States that because the police seldom enforce the posted speed limit (stated he sees this every day himself), that the speed limit is, defacto, that speed which is actually enforced. The Judge stated that it appears that it must be something in excess of 70 mph. Reverses conviction.
That's not all of the story....
Both officers involved with recorded traffic stop are suspended, first one without pay. There is a pending lawsuit against county police and specific officers. First officer is fired. Union elects not intervene after video is shown. None of this ever makes local newspapers.
County Supervisor pulls County Police from highways. Hands over enforcement to County Sheriff. County agrees to 10 year deal with Sheriff's union on highway enforcement. Sheriff Department wins two national awards for highway safety and accident reduction by strictly enforcing speed limit, Texting and seatbelt laws. Last year, new county supervisor elected with police union support. Reinstates County Police on highway enforcement. Accidents go up, average speeds go up, number of fatalities go up accordingly. Sheriff Union had sued County. Judge says that County is bound by contract to put Sheriff back on highways. County appeals. Loses again. Sheriff expected to resume highway enforcement on June 1. Police having hissy fits... Will need to turn in riding trousers and jack boots for standard uniform.
Note that "County Police" only serves half of the county. Five towns combined police forces in 1960s to reduce costs. Four other unaffiliated "town" police departments serve balance. Sheriff has jurisdiction everywhere. There is a growing movement to combine all police forces under Sheriff Department. Police unions are strongly resisting. Why? Because of foolish arbitration agreement, County cop makes $102,000 after 2 years. Average Deputy Sheriff earns $88,000 after 5 years.
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Great story....even greater police officer.